The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #2411 - Gavin de Becker
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- GBGavin de Becker
The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) How are you, sir?
- GBGavin de Becker
I'm well, thank you very much.
- NANarrator
Great to see you as always.
- GBGavin de Becker
Good to see you too.
- NANarrator
You got a bunch of notes, you got a lot of things to talk about.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yes. (laughs)
- NANarrator
We were starting to talk outside, we're like, "Hold this. Hold the- hold these thoughts-"
- GBGavin de Becker
(laughs)
- NANarrator
"... let's bring him in here."
- GBGavin de Becker
Well, here's where I am. Uh, I, as a criminologist, you know, I take a different approach to things. I'm not obviously a doctor or scientist, uh, thankfully, and as a criminologist, you get a view of the world that's quite interesting, and so I took a deep dive into pharma. But I, I wanna put that off for a second, 'cause I know you know a lot of these CIA operations, like, um, uh, Paperclip-
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- GBGavin de Becker
... where we bring over, uh, people who are working on bioweapons from Japan and from Germany and we don't prosecute them and we, you know, use them to be the beginning of the US bioweapons program, and I know you know, uh, MKUltra and Mockingbird, but do you know the one called Project Gladio?
- NANarrator
No, I do not.
- GBGavin de Becker
Put your seatbelt on-
- NANarrator
Okay.
- GBGavin de Becker
... 'cause this one just, just tops it all. So this was World War II ends and the OSS, which was the CIA at the time, uh, decides to leave behind rather than take everybody home, all the American soldiers, they're gonna leave behind a bunch of them. "Hey, you guys, hide your weapons, hide your rifles, uh, secrete all the, uh, the, uh, uh, grenades and ammunition and put it in bunkers and just sit th- sit tight until we have some ideas of things you ought to do." So eventually a few hundred of them stay behind and they are gonna do things in Europe to stop communism, to stop socialism, to fight the Soviets, et cetera, but what are they actually end up doing is terroristic incidents against our allies. They blow up a train station in Bologna, 285 people injured, 85 people killed, done and funded and operated by our CIA. Uh, they, uh, do the nineteen assa- 1989 assassination of a guy who's a journalist who's writing about this, they shoot him twice in the head. Um, they do another bombing, 17 people killed. Another one, Oktoberfest in Germany, not Italy, 17 people killed. Why? Because they see that certain candidates are doing well and might become, uh, prime ministers, for example, or important legislators, so when you have a big giant terrorist incident done in some train station, for example, that moves the public toward a more right-leaning government or a more totalitarian government the CIA can deal with and away from anything where communism can happen. There's, uh, the assassination of Aldo Moro. He was a former prime minister, five bodyguards, they're all killed, he's kidnapped, few weeks later he's shot in the head and put in the trunk of a car. That was done by Project Gladio. In other words, these things were done by the United States to our supposed allies. And hundreds of these leave-behinds, uh, operated eventually a 20,000-person army all over Europe. Now, I don't expect anybody to believe a word of it. You gotta go to Wikipedia and put in G-L-A-D-I-O, it's just one D, and you'll see that, uh, that this insanity is true. The punchline on it for me, the one that, uh, really blows it out of the water is that it ended in 1990.
- NANarrator
Whoa.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah. And, uh, George Bush was president and he'd been former, uh, director of CIA, of course, and he, um, denies it like crazy, but eventually an Italian prime minister really goes to the mat on it, and it becomes so well-established that the US government funded and managed these operations, blowing up regular citizens in Europe, that, uh, a lot of the people who were imprisoned for them, for those, uh, incidents, terrorists, s- you know, terrorist groups, et cetera, were released on the defense that it was actually done by CIA.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- GBGavin de Becker
I did tell you to put your seatbelt on.
- NANarrator
Oh my god. Is that just, like, an idea that starts off as a precautionary measure that just got completely out of hand because there was no oversight?
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, no oversight is the key to a bunch of stuff I wanna talk about today, because when governments, big centralized governments and other power centers become, uh, you know, with- without oversight, and where does oversight come from? It comes from us, the public having to be skeptical, and if the public is not skeptical, if they'll buy a story, uh, like, "Oh, a terrible terrorist group assassinated this guy Aldo Moro, how terrible," uh, and they'll buy the story with no skepticism, uh, because that's what we're told, then there will be no oversight and power centers... It's no surprise, you know, w- we could talk about every country on Earth. I'm not, uh, uh, you know, I- I happen to love America, but I'm not saying it's just America, it's, you know, this is the nature of espionage and the nature of war. But I wanna answer your question about is it just because of no oversight. The United States doesn't end wars very often. For example, World War II ends and you're all excited about it and you're mounting things and you're doing all this stuff, and then, uh, it ends, and everybody's like, "Hey, but we were, we were really into this thing." And so we don't let them end. We leave 300,000 troops in Germany, 300,000 troops in Japan, hundreds of thousands of troops in South Korea. Why don't we bring these people home? Uh, if the war is over, the war is over, but that's not how empire works. And so the, the US, uh, tends to, you know, continue these, uh, wars in the versions I just described to you, which is more secret versions. And, um, uh, it's, it's dark, man. I mean, if somebody, and maybe somebody has (laughs) , but if somebody came into America and did a bunch of terrorist, uh, incidents in America that killed a lot of Americans, oh geez, let's reflect on whether that's ever happened, but anyway, if that happened, we'd be stressed and, uh, uh, and rightfully we'd, you know, have a lot to complain about, but it, it goes on and it's, it's kind of my theme for today is, is sharing these things that are all-... available on Wikipedia. You know, I'm not, I'm not making them up. They're all real and I looked at them from the point of view of a criminologist, where I really lay out the evidence. And my purpose, my reason for doing this, today with you, also in a book, my reason is that I really want to encourage Americans to be skeptical. Because if you don't have skepticism, uh, the government runs us, we don't run the government.
- JRJoe Rogan
Absolutely. Yeah, and it's, it's a strange time, uh, for that. Uh, you know, because first of all, one of the things that happened was the, the Smith Month, right? So when, during the Obama administration, when they made it legal to use propaganda on American citizens, that, that blurred the lines of truth and reality for all of us-
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... forever. And unless that is somehow or another rolled back, and I don't see any effort or any desire to roll it back, we're always gonna be stuck in this situation where it's absolutely legal for intelligence agencies to lie to us in the interest of national security.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah. That's where we are, for sure. There was... Uh, I, I know you already know about Project Mockingbird, but Project Mockingbird had, uh, hundreds of American journalists who were, in some cases, directly on the payroll of the CIA, and in other cases, just had great relationships and would, you know, float ideas inside the United States. It was shut down, uh, by the Church Committee, uh, uh, Senate committee, and, uh... But was it really shut down or did it just change its name? Because the reality is that today, unlike in the past, all information is international. So if you start floating information overseas that's not true, it's gonna make its way to America. And does it make sense to do this? I remember when I was working on an investigation involving Saudi Arabia and their use of Twitter, misuse of Twitter. Twitter ended up canceling like 5,000 of their accounts because they were fake, you know, bots. But they were using Twitter to be able to, uh, float things so that they would, uh, you know, become viral and, and become important.
- JRJoe Rogan
What time period did it, was this?
- GBGavin de Becker
This is very recent, this is, uh...
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Yeah, you could easily…
- GBGavin de Becker
In other words, every, uh, an incentive comes, and it doesn't require that those people all sat in a conspiratorial room at some hotel in, uh, y- you know, in Germany and m- rubbed their hands together and made the plan. Um, human nature, particularly when you centralize big governments, this is the direction it moves in, which is it moves in the direction of tyranny. When I was here before a few years ago, I made this point that's only been cemented in the interim, which is that if you look at world history as a big pie chart, all of it is tyranny, and there's just a tiny little sliver of the lives we've been blessed to, to live up until 2020, meaning a tiny sliver of freedom, Western Europe, the United States, and all the rest is tyranny, which means tyranny is the natural order for human beings. That's the way it normally is run.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you could easily argue that with history, right?
- GBGavin de Becker
Uh, of course. And, uh, y- you know, what you see is... Look, I, w- any suffering that I've done the last few years personally has been because of my resistance to let go of the illusions and delusions that I grew up with, you know, the courts will be fair, uh, the government will respect our freedom no matter what, the Constitution will be followed no matter what. Uh, it, it's hard to l- to let go of that stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- GBGavin de Becker
It, it's not easy and, and, uh, I still have resistance to it. That's why I look at Gladio, which I just told you about, and I say, "Holy shit, can you believe this?" Well, we, we have to be able to believe all of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it... It's just so, there's so many layers to it, it's very difficult for regular people.
- GBGavin de Becker
What is a regular person?
- JRJoe Rogan
A regular person is a person who has a job, an interest, and family, and d- hasn't spent an inordinate amount of time delving into conspiracies and being rational about it and being objective and saying, "I know that every fiber of my being rejects this as foolishness and tinfoil hat bullshit, but is this real?" And then the more you find out, oh my God, that is real, and the more you find out, Operation Northwoods, holy fuck, that's real, the more, the more you find out about these things, MKUltra, you go, "W- what? Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute."
- GBGavin de Becker
(laughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
"No one e- got arrested for any of this? Nobody went to jail, nobody got prosecuted, nobody got tried." The more you dig into the JFK assassination, the more you dig into everything, and it, it, it, it, it is a bottomless pit that if you haven't breached the surface of it, you have no idea how much depth there is to it, and that's the normal person. Most people-
- GBGavin de Becker
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you know, most people took the shot because they wanted to keep their job-
- GBGavin de Becker
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... or they took the shot because they have to travel to see relatives, or they had to visit loved ones in the hospital, or whatever the, whatever the reason was. They did what they had to do, and, you know, they know people that got fucked up because of the shot, maybe they got fucked up because of the shot, and they feel helpless and they don't know what to do. But I don't think they understand the depths of, first of all, not just the COVID p- pandemic, but what happened during the AIDS pandemic with the exact same power structure. And when you find that out, I mean, we, we went over Peter Duesberg's work the other day and-
- GBGavin de Becker
Oh, I'm so glad.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and we showed th- the article in Spin Magazine that, uh, was talking about these various doctors that stepped...... ba- stepped out against the use of AZT, and, like, what was going on, and how, how evil it was, and the only reason why they were doing it was because these are drugs that had already been approved, and they could just push them through quickly, and they were very profitable. All right. How's your schedule looking? Feeling busy? Got a lot on the horizon? Well, yeah, it's that time of year when life gets crazy and demands more of your energy, more work, more plans, holiday travel, all while it's getting darker and colder. It can really drain your energy, or you can get out ahead of it. Listen, I talk a lot about AG1. It's the daily health drink that can help you stay one scoop ahead of all the energy drains coming your way this season, because the super foods and B vitamins in every scoop of AG1 supports steady energy production without the crash. In fact, just shaking up one scoop of AG1 in water covers your multivitamin, your pre and probiotics, antioxidants, super foods, and more. It's one simple step to start your day ahead of anything that might come your way, and that's why I've partnered with them for so long. Subscribe today to get this clinically backed formula in the flavor of your choice, tropical, citrus, berry, or original to help you stay one scoop ahead. If you use my link, you'll also get a free bottle of AG D3 K2, an AG1 welcome kit, plus a few bonus AG1 travel packs. Just head to drinkag1.com/jorogan or visit the link in the description to get started. That's drinkag1.com/jorogan.
- GBGavin de Becker
I think there's a darker reason, and the darker reason for overdosing on AZT is that it provides exactly the symptoms of AIDS that you're gonna die from.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- GBGavin de Becker
And so it, it keeps the... You know, the great documentary, it's on YouTube, is called House of Numbers, about this. It keeps the numbers going.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- GBGavin de Becker
You can turn the numbers up or down just by changing the definition of what is AIDS. Fauci had his definition, but in that documentary, it's Fauci and Redfield, they're all young.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- GBGavin de Becker
It's one of their first rounds, i- in this world, and they're making the case that, uh, that, uh, HIV is the absolute cause of AIDS, even though literally the guy who got the Nobel Prize for concluding that feels that you can have AIDS without HIV and you can have HIV without AIDS. I've raised 10 kids. I have two teenage kids. One of my older boys, uh, boys, about 31 years old now, uh, tested positive for HIV. Uh, right away come the drugs. Uh, and, uh, and he and I met about it. We watched this documentary called House of Numbers, and, uh, he decided no medication. He's really healthy. He's in the sun a lot. He's having a calm and, and wonderful life. He lives in Fiji, so he's out in, in the tropics a lot. And when he took the medication for three weeks, he felt really shitty. It wasn't AZT. It's the newer cocktail.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- GBGavin de Becker
But he felt really shitty. When he stopped, uh, he feels great, and we'll see how things go, but the idea that they were trying to push was if you test positive for HIV, they, they say it point-blank, "You will die from this disease and there's nothing that can stop it except these drugs." And, uh, that turns out not to be true.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's a lot of things they said that turned out, not to be true.
- GBGavin de Becker
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They thought that your children would get it, people in the household would get it.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That it was spread... That it could be spread aerosol. You know, there was a... The, the Duesberg thing is fascinating, because this all took place in a time with no internet, no pushback, no conspiracy theorists online to connect the dots, and his assertion was... First of all, there was the inconvenient fact that the vast majority of the people that got, air quotes, "AIDS" all were hardcore drug users. There were these partiers in the gay community, and anybody that knows anything about drug use knows that if you're a hardcore drug user and you're staying up all night and you're partying, guess what? You're gonna crush your immune system.
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Jesus Christ. …
- GBGavin de Becker
pretty well. The medic- medicine get it, you know, is keeping her alive, so just keep going." So they keep going, she gets worse and worse and worse. And eventually, they write a letter to a guy they've heard about named Peter Duesberg. And to his credit, man, he's... he was brave. He writes back, you know, in writing, in a way most people wouldn't, "Take her off that medication immediately." So they do. They take her off the medication.... the doctors say she's gonna be dead by the time she's five. Uh, then they say, you know, maybe she'll live to be seven. Then they say, "I- i- if she lives to be 11, it'll be a miracle." In the meantime, she's getting better and better and better. In the movie, cut to 23 years old, pregnant, having her own daughter.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Christ.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah. And, uh, there's other people in the movie.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's like, how-
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they had to know this.
- GBGavin de Becker
Oh, but, you know, this is, uh, true with, with COVID as well. You c- you can be generous and, and say people didn't know things early on, but it is not possible to now look back, for example, at COVID and the COVID vaccine, uh, and say they don't know it now, right? In other words, at this point, it's not possible for Albert Bourla, uh, to, you know, to say, "Oh, we had no idea about that myocarditis that would cause sudden death in, you know, kids." Uh, athletic boys go to sleep at night and they're found dead in their bed in the morning, not, not one, not two, but many. And right in the beginning of COVID, uh, two different states with two different coroners did two different reports that both said these kids who were found in their bed dead in the morning, uh, 16 years old, both of them, two days apart, um, uh, died from vaccine-induced myocarditis. Now, clearly, that should have been the biggest news story in the world 'cause-
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine if-
- GBGavin de Becker
... we were all taking it, right, everybody.
- JRJoe Rogan
... COVID happened before the internet.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, well, uh, things did happen before the internet. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
But imagine if that one happened.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, well, you know, in a way, Joe, it's, you, you could, you could look at swine flu in, uh, in 1976 and also again in 2009, which were before the, the internet, and they actually did worse in a way. What the internet did, it'll, is favorably allowed engagements like we're having today and all the stuff you've done, but it also allowed governments to have a control mechanism, right, I was looking for my iPhone, you know, right into our iPhones. And so what was happening is they were getting, are, not were, getting better and better and better at, uh, uh, at controlling human perception. And I think it's, uh, it's true that the internet is a great gift, uh, on the one hand, but it's also, look, there's no way they're gonna leave the internet untouched and not also utilize it in this basically information war that's going on. So, the internet has helped show some people the truth, but it's also been used to stop a lot of other people from, uh, seeing the truth.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm sure, but at least there's a m- a, there's an avenue where people can learn the truth that didn't exist before. The Duisburg thing, the only way I found out about it was an article in Spin Magazine, and I had some conspiratorially minded pothead friends. They're like, "Dude, AIDS isn't real." And I was like-
- GBGavin de Becker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "What the fuck are you talking about?"
- GBGavin de Becker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Of course AIDS is real." And then I started reading books, and I was like, "Wait a minute. This can't be real. This can't be true." And having him on was just absolutely fascinating, but the blowback from all the people that were absolutely convinced that there's no way these d- all of these other doctors could be in agreement and be incorrect. And that, that gave me pause, 'cause I was like, "Yeah, that makes sense." Why would all these doctors be in agreement and be incorrect about this? Why would they all be promoting this false narrative? I had no concept of how the NIH and how Fauci and how-
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... how they ran things and how if you deviated from the narrative whatsoever, you got no grants. You got no funding.
- GBGavin de Becker
You lose your license.
- JRJoe Rogan
You lose your license. You, and, obviously, we saw in 2020, they were kick, people kicked off Twitter.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, esteemed scientists, you know?
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Professors, people that taught at major universities, removed from the conversation because they were speaking what Al Gore would call an inconvenient truth.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
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(laughs) Are, so the,…
- GBGavin de Becker
how much cancer-causing asbestos is okay in baby powder." So they study that for 44 years and they, they never consider maybe zero, I mean, I had babies, I'd like zero cancer-causing asbestos in the baby powder. They never thought about zero. But they study it for 44 years because time flies when you're, when you're, you know, covering up something, and the FDA finally ruled on it in the year of 2024, about 10 months ago, after 52 years. They knew it for 52, I wanna say f- effing but I won't swear, 52 years and, uh, uh, Johnson & Johnson (laughs) by the way still claims, "Our baby powder doesn't cause cancer," which is the worst advertising slogan (laughs) in the history of the world.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Are, so the, the problem was in the places where they're mining talc, the, the talc and asbestos are often together. That's, that was the problem, correct?
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, but they were able to solve the problem now because there's still Johnson & Johnson baby powder, it's just not made with talc. And they knew this, you know, 52 years ago and companies like Johnson & Johnson-
- JRJoe Rogan
W- can I stop you?
- GBGavin de Becker
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
What does the baby powder have in it now if it doesn't have talc?
- GBGavin de Becker
I think it's corn starch.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- GBGavin de Becker
And, and might be other stuff, uh, uh, I don't know. But, you know, Gulf War syndrome done the same way.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was depleted uranium, correct?
- GBGavin de Becker
Uh, Gulf War syndrome?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- GBGavin de Becker
It could be a few things. Uh, y- there was also, uh, a, an ingredient in a vaccine given, uh, called squalene, which is in childhood vaccines today, it comes from shark's liver which is what you ought to be wanting to inject into, into babies whenever you can. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- GBGavin de Becker
... uh, you know, the, uh, in a minute I'm, I'm gonna get into something really funny. But, but I wanna say that when a child, a- dies and vaccines are even a suspect, when it's possible, the, uh, powers that be say, "Look, millions of vaccines were given and those people are all okay." As if they did some, you know, house-to-house survey (laughs) , which of course they didn't do. But that's not how we handle air crashes. We don't say, "Oh, oh, millions of passengers are fine, don't worry about those 400 who were, who were dead in that plane crash." What do we do? We get the black boxes, we reassemble the plane, we reconstruct what happened and, you know, they're extensively studied. If we used for plane crashes, my point is the millions don't matter, the few matter, meaning the ones who suffer, that's where you wanna be doing your research, not the millions who didn't have any problem. And imagine that we took the same approach that pharma takes when we have a, a, you know, a jetliner crash. Uh, you know, pharma would say, let's say a flight from New York to London goes down in the Atlantic 20 minutes before reaching Heathrow Airport, right? Pharma would say, uh, "The flight was 95% effective."
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- GBGavin de Becker
Right? Or they would say, "Hey, uh, at least you're better off, we got those passengers closer to London." Uh, i- in other words they literally put death out of the equation and focus just on this, um, the numbers. And, and I don't care about the numbers, I care about the people who are harmed, the individuals who are harmed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Can I stop you there?
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, please.
- JRJoe Rogan
But they, what they generally do is they will say it saves more lives than it costs and that what happens is on a few very rare cases, very rare individuals, there's some sort of a reaction and those people die from that medication.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But this is normal for any kind of medication that is mass prescribed.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is what they would use as an argument, and they would say that far more people, like from COVID vaccine-
- GBGavin de Becker
Were helped.
- JRJoe Rogan
... were helped or, you know, measles, mumps and rubella, whatever it is, were helped by that than were hurt.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah. So, it, you know, when you, if you're really gonna assess a product, like, no parent would let a stranger walk up to their baby on the street and inject them with something they don't know what's in it, right? And yet, millions of parents do that every year in America by going to Long's or to Walgreens and getting a vaccine. They don't know what's in it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- GBGavin de Becker
And they don't know about that 23-year-old, uh, you know, pharmacist assistant who's measuring it out and giving it to you, and they don't ask questions like, "Did your baby have an adverse reaction to this a week ago?" Or what have you. But I wanna go right to your question, which is the assessment that we would have to do, for anything, forget vaccines, for any kinda drug, is what's the likelihood of getting, in the case of vaccines, you have to say, "What's the likelihood of getting the disease? What's the likelihood of having a terrible consequence from the disease? And, uh, and does the vaccine work? And does the vaccine have any harm, for anybody?" Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
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- GBGavin de Becker
a lot of neurological injuries, and it's, you know, go on ChatGPT and say, "Should I breathe mercury fumes?" No. Should I eat it, touch it? No, no, no. Should I inject it? Pause, pause, pause. Well, in childhood vaccines.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- GBGavin de Becker
Uh, I mean, it's just ridiculous. I, I got a quick, quick one I wanna tell you. So I'm gonna get a lot of shit, obviously, for this. And what's the main criticism you and I are both gonna get? I'm not a doctor.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- GBGavin de Becker
I'm not a scientist. Uh, as I mentioned, I'm a criminologist, and I speak English, and I read very well. And so in this book, I put together the information that anybody can get and put all the citations there. But what parents often don't know is that this brand, vaccine... Vaccine good, disease bad. There's a, there's a ruse in there. There's a marketing ruse, which is that if you don't get the vaccine, you're going to get that disease.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- GBGavin de Becker
It is absolutely impossible-... for your kid to get all of those diseases, or be exposed to all of those diseases. And the, what Humphreys, uh, didn't talk about with you, but she knows, is that all of the childhood vaccine diseases, all of them, the survival rate for a healthy American child is 100%. All of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's inconvenient, right? The measles.
- GBGavin de Becker
Well, uh, lemme do measles real quick, because in, uh, for 22 years, we didn't have a singles, single measles death in the United States. For 22 years. And this is the really, this is really interesting math, I hope people will, will take this one on board. The death rate for vaccinated children with measles is zero, and the death rate for unvaccinated children, of which there are nine million in America, is zero.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, but-
- GBGavin de Becker
Meaning, the unvaccinated and the vaccinated both have the same death rate, zero.
- JRJoe Rogan
But people have died from measles.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yes, people have died from measles. But the, the, all of these diseases, the death rates that are the scariest are old death rates, right? They're, uh, pre, first of all, measles was in dissent anyway up until, you know, as it headed into the '80s. It was already going from, you know, up here to down here on the graph.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why is that?
- GBGavin de Becker
Uh, i- indoor plumbing, uh, better nutrition. The same thing that, uh, helped with almost every disease, uh, here, Texas announces-
- JRJoe Rogan
Texas announces second death.
- GBGavin de Becker
Oh, yeah. But this is 2024. What I said was in the 22 years before that, there had not been a death.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, what's causing these kids to die?
- GBGavin de Becker
Well, it's, uh, I don't know if you've had Pierre Kory on, or other people, it's, and I'm not, this would be a medical question about whether these kids actually died of measles or died of poor medical care. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
And died with measles.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, died with measles, et cetera. By the way-
- JRJoe Rogan
Did they have other comorbidities?
- GBGavin de Becker
They, these kids? They, well, they had bad treatment. It's a question for, uh, like somebody like Pierre Kory. I'm gonna back away from the question. And by the way, let's own it. Let's say, oh, they died of measles. Let's, if that, if that's true, then in 24 years, two kids died of measles. Do you know what the death rate is for kids, uh, from, uh, from tetanus, for example? The risk is that one in every 154 million Americans, children, will die from tetanus. Mea- and if you wanna make those odds better with a vaccine, (laughs) more power to you. But one in 154 million is pretty damn good odds.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then again, very important what you said, that it, it can be taken, the vaccine can be taken-
- GBGavin de Becker
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
... once you have contracted tetanus.
- GBGavin de Becker
Well, no, once you've got the injury.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- GBGavin de Becker
You don't have to wait. If you've got the injury, but you know, this, there, there's a ruse here, which is that deep puncture wounds, uh, does not mean tetanus.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 1:15:00 – 1:18:52
Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? I just try not to dwell on it too much.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But yeah, you can get really bummed out. You can get bummed out by the depth of the corruption, and- and how f- many people who are intelligent people, who think they're doing the right thing, have become ministers of propaganda, whether they realize it or not. And how easy it is to dismiss anybody who asks questions about these very questionable things.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very disturbing, and it- it alienates a lot of people. There's a lot of people that I can't talk to about certain subjects, because they'll just spout out some propaganda and some nonsense, and I have to go, (sighs) "That's not true." And it's provably not true. We- I could show you in five minutes that that's not true. You know how many people I freaked the fuck out when I told them that 99% of polio is asymptomatic? And I go, "I'm gonna show you right now. We'll just put it in Google," and then I just show it to them.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, how crazy is that? That's crazy.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And- and then, you- you get a little of them opening their eyes, but then they go right back into the trance, for the most part. Most people go right back into the trance, because it's too difficult to admit that this entire system is insanely corrupt and it all functions by money and incentives. And they are more than willing to not just give people bad hea- health outcomes, but sacrifice human lives that would not have died because of profit. And they do that sh- in a huge number of humans. There's a huge number of humans that will die this year because someone has decided that telling the truth is inconvenient, because it stops them from making a profit, and so they will lie, and they will prescribe things that don't need to be s- prescribed because there's incentives. And there will be all sorts of, besi- besides death, all sorts of horrific health outcomes-
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that could've been completely avoided. And then, completely ignore any study like the Henry Ford study or any of these oth- other studies that show that, like, when they study the Amish, when they find out the only Amish that turned out to have autism are the ones that were adopted-
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, and vaccinated.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and vaccinated.
- GBGavin de Becker
I- I actually think there is only one case like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- GBGavin de Becker
Uh, and so, the- the Amish have, uh, I don't remember the numbers, but it's- it's like 70,000 times less, uh, autism, uh, when you do all the math.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, what the hell is that? And how is that not freaking people out? Like, how many people will just bury their head in the sand and say, "Vaccines do not cause autism. This has been debunked."
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah, debunked.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, I follow Peter Hotez on Twitter, and they'll just spout it out and then go about their life. They'll put their blinders on, fasten them securely to the side of their head, and plow forward. That's the majority of people. Because the- there's a reality about human beings. Most people are cowards because they haven't had to not be a coward. They haven't had to test themselves against something terrifying.
- GBGavin de Becker
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so most people, when they encounter something that's scary, they fold. Most people. That's why we admire people that don't.
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why you see, like, professional fighters. Like, oh my god, like, the courage that you have to have to do that. It's why you look at Navy SEALs that way. The courage you have to have-
- GBGavin de Becker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to sign up for that, when... It's- it's in a, it's terrifying for people. So, most people, when they encounter any pushback, any social ostracization because you're, you know, you're part of that kooky group of people that wants to question medical science, they don't want that. They don't wanna not be invited to the cocktail parties. They don't wanna get the side eye at the gym from people. They don't want that. You know, I got to see it during the COVID d- even with my children, because they weren't vaccinated. And their ch- their friends were saying, "Why aren't you vaccinated?"
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