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Joe Rogan Experience #2421 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Derek is the fitness educator and entrepreneur behind the "More Plates, More Dates" YouTube channel, podcast, and companion website. https://www.moreplatesmoredates.com https://www.youtube.com/@MorePlatesMoreDates Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at https://happydad.com This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE

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  1. 0:00 – 15:00

    Drunk On Podcast, check…

    1. NA

      Drunk On Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) All right. Derek, tell me about your new drink. Look at this here, Red Gummy Fish. I'm about to try it for the first time and this is a nootropic?

    3. DD

      Yeah, so it's, uh ... I think on the first episode maybe that I did with you ...

    4. JR

      Ooh.

    5. DD

      Robust, eh?

    6. JR

      That's good.

    7. DD

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      Oh, that's delicious. Uh, you mean robust? You're saying it like a potentially it's a negative thing.

    9. DD

      Oh, both flavor and, uh ...

    10. JR

      I think it's great.

    11. DD

      Oh, right on.

    12. JR

      Red Gummy Fish. That's fucking delicious.

    13. DD

      (laughs)

    14. JR

      I'd drink the shit out of this.

    15. DD

      Yeah, I'm glad you like it.

    16. JR

      Oh, a lot of stuff in here. What's in here?

    17. DD

      So I think it was the first time I was on, you asked me about Gorilla Mind and the nootropic formula that I used before podcasts and-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. DD

      ... you know, to get cognitively dialed and at the time, it was a capsule-based formula and it still is, it still exists. But taking what we could to suspend in a liquid format and getting it into something that's more, like, publicly and widely accepted-

    20. JR

      Mm.

    21. DD

      ... and that they would want to drink on a regular basis and is something you could use daily. It's kind of what we did in this. So we included essentially, like, a daily use version of the Gorilla Mind formula, which includes-

    22. JR

      Mm.

    23. DD

      ... the tyrosine precursor for dopamine as well as other neurotransmitters. Catecholamines like adrenaline, noradrenaline. Um, also Alpha GPC, the most bioavailable form of choline. It crosses the blood-brain barrier and is pretty efficacious and also just a good choline source in general which most, most people are deficient in as a nutrient.

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. DD

      And I think completely unaware that it's actually important to be supplementing with potentially. Um, pretty hard to get an adequate amount of choline. But-

    26. JR

      Where does it come from in food?

    27. DD

      Liver is a good source, eggs, and in general it's just, like, the highly nutrition-dense foods that you would get it from, a lot of people aren't focusing on specifically either because of caloric density or it's like an animal base, like, nose to tail thing or-

    28. JR

      Mm.

    29. DD

      ... fill in the blank. It's not impossible to do it. A lot of people who focus on it could probably relatively easily, but it's still one of the things you have to focus on actually kind of, like, maneuvering into your diet typically. So in general, most people are at least maybe, like, 50% of the way they're at best.

    30. JR

      Mm.

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    Yeah. …

    1. DD

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DD

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Uh, well, especially with all that caffeine as well.

    5. DD

      Yeah, you never know. Um, in general, 400 milligrams is even like the FDA stated, you know, "Everyone's gonna be okay" probably dose, but in reality it's kind of crazy. A lot of people don't realize the studies done for, uh, caffeine-induced performance enhancement are all looking at like 3 to 6 milligrams a kilogram, which is like, unless you're a tiny woman, 400, 500, 600 milligrams are the doses that actually really move the needle when it comes to acute performance enhancement.

    6. JR

      Uh, Chael Sonnen used to take it in pill form.

    7. DD

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      Because, um, he was saying that, uh, there's a level where they'll test you, where you'll pop, where they'll say, "Okay, you're in a stimulant level." Like you took a stimulant before you fought.

    9. DD

      Yeah. They have a... They had threshold concentrations that they would deem inappropriately high, perhaps for safety, perhaps 'cause they thought it was an unfair advantage. Just kinda-

    10. JR

      I think that's what they were looking at it.

    11. DD

      It kind of depends though, 'cause I think it was removed and I don't think that threshold exists anymore except in the NCAA. I'd have to revisit it, but I'm pretty sure caffeine is like essentially you could go full bore at this point.

    12. JR

      Interesting.

    13. DD

      And I-

    14. JR

      So 5, 600 milligrams was what the efficacious dose was?

    15. DD

      Um, so you can get performance enhancement as low as, I think some people it was like a milligram per kilogram.

    16. JR

      Mm.

    17. DD

      It depends on the person and tolerance, of course, but in general, the most tried and true studies when it comes to repeatable high impact with a proportional relative lack of side effect, but not none, was like 3 to 6 milligrams a kilogram, and some of the studies go even higher than that.

    18. JR

      Interesting. And what, what are the benefits? Like what did they get?

    19. DD

      Uh, like acute, uh, strength enhancements, um-

    20. JR

      Really?

    21. DD

      ... offsetting like any sleep induced deprivation and performance outcomes mentally. You can pretty much offset like a shitty night of sleep and all the kind of detriments to your performance via a pretty solid dose of caffeine. Um, yeah, most of the stuff is kind of energy acutely offsetting performance decrement related, but also in a context of strength. Um, high intensity activity, you can absolutely get a benefit from it, and there's a reason why, you know, sprinters will take, you know, modafinil or high dose caffeine or power lift- power lifters will take, you know, massive doses of, you know, pre-workout before a lift or whatnot.

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. DD

      Like, it's all impactful for your psychological state to get really like locked in in a hypervigilant state to really max out on what you're trying to do, whatever it may be.

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    25. DD

      Yeah, he's great.

    26. JR

      Great.

    27. DD

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      Um, we were talking about, uh, the impact of creatine, and, you know-

    29. DD

      Oh, yeah.

    30. JR

      ... and they're trying to figure out, like, what i- what is the correct dose.

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    Yeah. …

    1. DD

      And it's like-

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DD

      ... I'm skeptical, but like... And, you know, you th- in hindsight, it's absolutely ridiculous, but now a lot of bodybuilders are pretty forthcoming 'cause it's more normal to be transparent and also not mislead people and, you know, unethically sell things, and just reality check people on the... W- what it's gonna take to be at that level and if the, the risk you wanna, you know, subject yourself to, 'cause back in the day too, it was like you didn't know if you had good genetics or not when it came to certain dosage responses, so you would, like, always think the next guy's just taking more than you and it would result in guys-

    4. JR

      Mm.

    5. DD

      ... unspokenly thinking, "This guy must just be taking 5X the amount of shit I'm on, so I need to go to, like, five to 10 grams of total gear per week now."

    6. JR

      Sheesh.

    7. DD

      And you would just like... That's what led to so many early deaths in bodybuilding too, so...

    8. JR

      I think there's another thing, another factor is that the consequences of lying and getting caught now are huge.

    9. DD

      Hm.

    10. JR

      Because if you lose all credibility and people know that you're just a bullshit artist-

    11. DD

      Yeah, that too.

    12. JR

      ... and then they'll never trust you again.

    13. DD

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Like, you have one chance to tell the truth forever.

    15. DD

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And the moment you violate that, you are always a liar.

    17. DD

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      And that's a, that's a giant fucking issue with...... i- i- with whether it's actors or a- anybody.

    19. DD

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      You know, like, all these guys who prep for roles and they, they, they're talking about it now. Like, "Oh, I took Anavar. I took this." Like Mickey Rourke did when he was talking about that movie, The Wrestler.

    21. DD

      Mm.

    22. JR

      You know, I remember th- they were asking him on f- whatever talk show he was on. He's like, "Oh, I fucking took everything."

    23. DD

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      "What are you talking about? I took like 12 different shit."

    25. DD

      That guy was a pioneer of interviews for that kind of stuff.

    26. JR

      A gu- well, he's a wild dude.

    27. DD

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      He'll tell the truth.

    29. DD

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Yeah, but you have one chance to tell the truth forever.

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.…

    1. JR

      before woke.

    2. DD

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    3. JR

      That was the last movie that you could ever do like that before woke kicked in and, and essentially ruined great comedies.

    4. DD

      Mm.

    5. JR

      'Cause you couldn't go too far. You can't do that anymore. You just get in trouble.

    6. DD

      Yeah, it's like back then if you were to ask, okay, n- you know, have a hit list of just, like, ready to laugh your ass off movies that are just, like, low effort, you don't have to think too much, you can just sit down and enjoy, there was a bunch of bangers from back then.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. DD

      But it's like nowadays, I don't even know what to go to.

    9. JR

      They don't have them anymore.

    10. DD

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Like, the Farrelly brothers movies like Kingpin.

    12. DD

      Mm.

    13. JR

      Fucking great movie.

    14. DD

      Mm.

    15. JR

      You know, there's so much... Something About Mary. There's so many of those, like, outrageous, hysterical movies that... It was funny, I asked Robert, um, Downey Jr., I was like, y- I go, "You couldn't do blackface in a movie today." He goes, "Oh, you could do it."

    16. DD

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs) But-

    18. DD

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... what would happen afterwards-

    20. DD

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... is the big deal. He got it in, like, ju- like, it's like the scene in a movie where the elevator door closes right before-

    22. DD

      Ah.

    23. JR

      ... the monster gets in. (laughs)

    24. DD

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect timing.

    25. JR

      He got there just in time. And like, it was perfect timing where he didn't suffer from it.

    26. DD

      No, yeah, it's, uh, crazy to see the delta in just, like... I don't even know what to watch when I go on Netflix now to be honest.

    27. JR

      Well, with comedies, it's really fucking hard. It's really hard. The only thing that's really w- wild and free is standup comedy.

    28. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      Like, to, to do a comedy movie and just go full Tropic Thunder is almost impossible today.

    30. DD

      Yeah.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:44

    Yeah. D- One thing…

    1. DD

    2. JR

      Yeah. D- One thing that sta- that helps me, uh, is sauna before bed, though. Sauna before bed, I can generally sleep through the night.

    3. DD

      Oh, yeah?

    4. JR

      Yeah. So I'll do, like, a session about an hour before I go to sleep and no water after that.

    5. DD

      Oh, yeah?

    6. JR

      That usually does it.

    7. DD

      Yeah, if you do a water cutoff that's, like, pretty regimented, it's probably the best overall strategy.

    8. JR

      As long as you make sure you hydrate in the morning. So I'm pretty diligent about that. First step in the morning, am- amino acids with water.

    9. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      I, I do that n- 99% of the time, like first thing before coffee, before anything.

    11. DD

      And do you put electrolytes in it?

    12. JR

      Yeah, yeah. I take, uh, Gary Brecka's stuff. It's called Perfect Aminos.

    13. DD

      Okay.

    14. JR

      It's, um, a- aminos and electrolytes. I get that in first thing in the morning just to, you know, get it out of the way.

    15. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      E- And I didn't use to for the longest time. I would just hit the gym right away and just drink water when I was in there.

    17. DD

      Damn.

    18. JR

      But I feel a difference.

    19. DD

      What about... I thought step one was cold plunge.

    20. JR

      Tsk. Yeah, it depends. Um, I haven't cold plunged in the last three weeks 'cause I got some stem cells.

    21. DD

      Oh.

    22. JR

      Um, and, uh, I'm still saunaing, so it seems like there's a lot of controversy about this in terms of, like, what you should and shouldn't do post-stem cell injection. I have, uh, a very minor Achilles tear. Uh, when I was elk hunting in September, I, I twisted my ankle pretty bad and I didn't think anything of it. Uh, I stopped limping after, like, 15 or 20 minutes and I was like, "I think I'm okay." And, uh, I have... Uh, and I was wearing... Uh, at the time, I was wearing very light-... boots. They're like, you know, um, just a, a, a real light boot that you wouldn't do for heavy mountain trekking. And we did some steep elevation and then the real problem is going down and you're, you know, when you're going down-

    23. DD

      Hmm.

    24. JR

      ... like several thousand feet-

    25. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    26. JR

      ... over the course of like an hour.

    27. DD

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      It's fucking brutal. And I, I twisted one of my ankles and then the next day I put on, uh, a much higher, more rigid boot with great ankle support and that was fine for the rest of the trip. But then, you know-

    29. DD

      That's the fucking worst when you just gotta like stare at the ground the entire time you're walking-

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm.

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