Joe Rogan Experience #2428 - Michael P. Masters

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. MMMichael P. Masters0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Mm.

   4. MMMichael P. Masters0:14

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Disclosure Day, very interesting.

   6. MMMichael P. Masters0:19

      Yeah, I'm excited for that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      All right, we're rolling?

   8. NANarrator0:21

      Yeah, you got the-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Yeah, he was always, like, way ahead of the curve when it comes to the whole UAP/UFO stuff. You know, with Close Encounters of the Th- Third Kind, he had that French scientist that was essentially modeled after- Jacques Vallée. ... Jacques Vallée.

   10. MMMichael P. Masters0:35

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       He's always been ... I, I, I would love to talk to him. I wonder how much he knows. (laughs)

   12. MMMichael P. Masters0:40

       Is that an accident?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       It sounds like it.

   14. MMMichael P. Masters0:41

       Was he, uh, fed some information? Was he a part of disclosure the whole time? That's what I've always wondered.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       I mean, what does that mean, right? 'Cause there hasn't really been disclosure.

   16. MMMichael P. Masters0:51

       No. But there has to be a slow process too, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       You think so?

   18. MMMichael P. Masters0:55

       I don't think ... I mean, the whole idea is that they're just sort of normalizing it, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Mm-hmm.

   20. MMMichael P. Masters1:01

       Uh, neurolinguistic programming they call it, where you're slowly getting people accustomed to these ideas. Like, the, the aspects of Close Encounters, for instance, where you have the radiation burns on the guy's face. You have a time travel component, where these, uh, World War II soldiers get out of the craft-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Right.

   22. MMMichael P. Masters1:18

       ... with the little beings and the bigger being and, I mean, uh, just, just seeding, seeding our culture with those little bits of information that might help later on down the road.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       God, that was, like, in the '70s, wasn't it? Like, when was Close Encounters?

   24. MMMichael P. Masters1:29

       Uh, yeah, I think it was.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Was it the '70s?

   26. MMMichael P. Masters1:32

       Late '70s, early '80s, maybe. Uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Yeah.

   28. MMMichael P. Masters1:35

       Either way, I mean, uh, like, a lot of stuff he's done ... Like, I, I rewatched the ... God, what was it? Jeff Bridges, Starman, I think.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       Mm-hmm.

   30. MMMichael P. Masters1:44

       There's a lot of elements of Disclosure in that, too. Like, I think there's just ... I don't know. I mean, obviously we don't know who's pulling the strings. We don't know what's going on. We don't know who's in charge. But it does make sense that if there is this thing that they know about, that we're supposed to know about, leak it out. Do it slowly. Get in our culture. Get it in our, our, our media in different ways, you know?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well, it's a theory…

   1. MMMichael P. Masters15:00

      that's kind of the Cliffs Notes version.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Well, it's a theory that a lot of people have independently sort of come to, right?

   3. MMMichael P. Masters15:07

      Yeah, especially recently.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Y- and the, the concept of w- we... Just if you just think about ancient man. I was watching this, uh, documentary on Neanderthals last night about this one, uh, intact Neanderthal, uh, skeleton that they found that was... It had, uh, sort of been, uh, it, it... He had died in a cave and, you know, there's stalagmites. Is it stalactites or mites? How do you say it?

   5. MMMichael P. Masters15:32

      Tites are up, mites are down.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:34

      So, he was essentially mineralized.

   7. MMMichael P. Masters15:36

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      There was stuff all over the body, and it took a long time for them to break this body.

   9. MMMichael P. Masters15:40

      I think I saw that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Yeah.

   11. MMMichael P. Masters15:41

       Was that on Netflix?

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       No. Well, I was watching it on YouTube. Maybe it originally was-

   13. MMMichael P. Masters15:45

       Oh, okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       ... on Netflix. But it was just documenting how strange this, this body was that they had found, but it was immensely strong, like, much stronger than us. One of the interesting things was that their visual cortex, um, the, the, the part of the brain that would process vi- imagery was larger than ours.

   15. MMMichael P. Masters16:05

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       10 to 20% larger.

   17. MMMichael P. Masters16:06

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       And that this... So, these things probably had better eyesight than us. Perhaps even were able to see at night. And that this was a bigger, stronger version of a human being. Like, much more durable than what we are, modern, 2025 Homo sapiens.

   19. MMMichael P. Masters16:21

       Yep.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       If you just look... Yeah, that's it. So, that's one of them.

   21. MMMichael P. Masters16:25

       Yeah, that one's cool. Neither human nor Neanderthal.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Oh, really?

   23. MMMichael P. Masters16:29

       This is, uh, published in August.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Is this the sa- This might not be the same one.

   25. MMMichael P. Masters16:33

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       This is maybe a different one. That's a weird one because what's that fucking thing on its head?

   27. MMMichael P. Masters16:37

       That's what it says. It's a stalactite growing out of it or something.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       Wow. In a weird form. Weird.

   29. MMMichael P. Masters16:42

       Yeah, it's like a unicorn Neanderthal.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Yeah, like a crest.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. MMMichael P. Masters30:00

      my second book, The Extratempestrial Model, is about 30 case studies, 15 main case studies, but then I pull in other ones. And it explores the different theories. Obviously, the main one being this extratempestrial idea, this future... Which, by the way, I saw the word of the day-... today was anachronistic, and I was like, "Man, that would have been a way better word than extra-tempestual," which everybody struggles with.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      (laughs)

   3. MMMichael P. Masters30:23

      I could have called them anachronauts.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      Ooh.

   5. MMMichael P. Masters30:25

      Doesn't that sound cool?

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      That does sound cool.

   7. MMMichael P. Masters30:27

      Anachronauts.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      Ooh, that sounds really cool.

   9. MMMichael P. Masters30:29

      I know. What the hell was I thinking, man?

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Ah.

   11. MMMichael P. Masters30:31

       Anyway.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       You live, you learn.

   13. MMMichael P. Masters30:32

       But, so one of the most commonly reported things across all cases, regardless of whether you think it's bullshit or you think this definitely happened, is they really want our sperm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Hmm.

   15. MMMichael P. Masters30:43

       They really need or want our reproductive material, our gametes. And it's funny, 'cause, uh, when I wrote my first book in 20... I started it in 2012, published it in 2019. Right at the end, I did an interview and someone was like, "Have you heard of Jim Penniston?" I'm like, "No." Which is kind of a failing on my behalf. I'll admit that one. Uh, it turns out ... So, it was the Rendlesham- Rendlesham Forest incident. He touched this craft, he got this binary code, and he, uh, when deciphering the binary code, they legitimately specifically said, "We are you from the future. We're having problems with reproduction." He underwent hypnotic regression. "We're having problems with reproduction and we need this genetic material to help ourselves." And a lot of people were like, "Well, why are they coming back and doing stuff to us?" I think they're coming back and getting stuff from us because of problems they're having largely related to what you were talking about earlier, with, um, the reduced sperm counts, the problem with female infertility. What if we do try to create the perfect human specimen, or we try to cure these genetic diseases through genetic manipulation, CRISPR, and we screw something up? We might have to come back. But we can't go to another planet. There aren't people on these planets. We can't go and sample gametes from these other places. We might have to go into our past to get those wild-type, un- uh, unmanipulated gametes in order to fix these problems.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       God, that s- that's a crazy level of technological sophistication, the ability to venture back in time and somehow or another not fuck up the timeline that's leading to ... W- I mean, this is the problem that's always been theorized about time travel. Anything that you do, if you went back in time, any inter- interactions, you would completely change how the future would play out.

   17. MMMichael P. Masters32:31

       In the many worlds interpretation.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:32

       Yes.

   19. MMMichael P. Masters32:32

       Yeah. So that idea is, unfortunately, very pervasive, and mostly because of Back to the Future, which I think ruined the brains of most people.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       (laughs) Mine, too.

   21. MMMichael P. Masters32:43

       Certainly in my f-

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       Yeah.

   23. MMMichael P. Masters32:44

       ... my, my generation. Um, but what most physo- and physicists don't agree on many things, but most agree that we live in what's called a block universe. Landscape time, block time, where if you imagine all moments from the very beginning of the Big Bang to the end of the universe, where all matter disp- disappears into, like, a black hole or contracts or whatever it does, all moments are already there. They exist as this massive four-dimensional block of all moments, all world lines, everything. So you go back into the past, as you perceive it, you can do whatever you want. You can walk around, step on butterflies, you know, slap people in the face, kick over, you know, dinosaurs or whatever. I don't think we can go back that far, but you could do anything you want and it doesn't change anything because you're going back in the block universe and doing those things you were always already going to do. And when you get home, everything's the same because that was already their past. To everybody that stayed behind, that was already their past. It was only the future for you to go back and do those things that you were already gonna do, and then you just went and did them, get home, everything's the same because you were always going to do those things in the first place.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:53

       That's bizarre. Th- that's hard to swallow.

   25. MMMichael P. Masters33:56

       And if- if that is the actual model of the universe, and again, I can only work ... In writing these books, I can only work from what we know now. Clearly, there's a lot of things we don't know. I'm not claiming to know anything beyond what we can know right now. But physicists, despite not knowing what time is, they know it's an emergent phenomenon. There's something more fundamental that time comes from. But they do agree on this block universe model, and in that case, there is no paradox.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:22

       How do they all agree on that? Like, wouldn't you have to test that and come up with some sort of a- a hypothesis and then try to prove it or disprove it? Like, how-

   27. MMMichael P. Masters34:30

       You're right. I shouldn't say they all agree, 'cause there is the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where if you went back, in that situation, it would be change. You would be changing the timeline. Would it be changing your timeline or would it be changing a different timeline, is the question.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:44

       Hmm.

   29. MMMichael P. Masters34:45

       And how would you know ... There- there's more paradoxes with changing things than not changing things.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:50

       Why do you confidently state that you don't think that they can go back to the dinosaur age?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      this is made out of some completely unknown alloy. There's no seams in it. It seems to be 3D printed. There's no controls inside of it. It's designed for something that's three feet tall. It's all very fucking weird.

   2. MMMichael P. Masters45:12

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Um, so he's working on this thing, not making much headway at all. They, they understood that there was an element, Element 115-

   4. MMMichael P. Masters45:20

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      ... that was, uh, not even on the periodic table, uh, eventually found to actually be a thing by the Large Hadron Collider. Um, but e- even then, they only measured it for a millisecond, right? So then, he's saying that they have this stable version of this element and you bombard it with radiation and it creates this sort of gravity drive. Um, he's working on this thing and it's all top secret, so he cannot tell his wife. So, they're calling him up at 10:00 like, "Hey, get to the airpl- the, uh, airport. Uh, we need you." And so he would have to fly out at random times, fly out to S4. And his wife was like, "This motherfucker is having an affair."

   6. MMMichael P. Masters46:01

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:01

      "Well, I'm gonna have an affair too." So, she starts fucking her flight atten- or, uh, flight instructor.

   8. MMMichael P. Masters46:05

      Oh, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:06

      I think that's what it was. Um, when you have that kind of clearance, they are monitoring everything. They're monitoring all your phone calls. They're d-

   10. MMMichael P. Masters46:13

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       They're l- So, they've realized that his wife is having an affair and they think that he will be emotionally unstable and it's too dangerous to have him working on this insanely top secret information if he's not stable. So, they, they tell him, you know, "We're gonna at least temporarily relieve you of your duties." So, he's freaked out and he tells his friends. Like, "Hey, this, this is, this is what they're doing there."

   12. MMMichael P. Masters46:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       "They have these things and, uh, they fly them every Wednesday. I'm gonna take you guys. There's an area we can go watch." So, they take ... He takes his friends out there on two separate occasions, I believe. Um, they get caught. They get caught, he gets arrested. Uh, they release him and he realizes like, "I'm kind of fucked. They might kill me."

   14. MMMichael P. Masters46:54

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       "I'm gonna have to go public with this." Contacts George Knapp.

   16. MMMichael P. Masters46:57

       George Knapp.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       And then-

   18. MMMichael P. Masters46:57

       I did see that. I think-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       ... then the whole thing is history.

   20. MMMichael P. Masters46:59

       Yeah. Yeah. No, that's wild, man. And I, I think ... Uh, and, and it's still happening, you know? There's still these whistleblowers that are-

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:07

       Well, he says they, they used to fly them and you could go watch them fly these things.

   22. MMMichael P. Masters47:11

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       And they were moving in these really weird ways across the sky that you cannot do with conventional-

   24. MMMichael P. Masters47:15

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:15

       ... aircraft. That they only sort of understood how to like pick it up and put it down. They didn't understand how to like really move it around.

   26. MMMichael P. Masters47:22

       That was out at Groomlake, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       Yes.

   28. MMMichael P. Masters47:24

       Yeah. I remember as a kid, I'd ... I've been ... obviously been into this for a long time. I remember as a kid, seeing videos of people going out.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:30

       Mm-hmm.

   30. MMMichael P. Masters47:31

       And then they eventually closed it down. You couldn't get to that spot. But there was like a-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:14:46

   Yeah. For sure. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      Explained. A recent article by The Hill has highlighted the reports of a cube and a sphere UAP military pilots have been seeing as reported by Graves, where he once again highlights how often our pilots are seeing these things and why he doesn't believe they're conventional drones or balloons. And so this is, uh, obv- obviously some sort of a computer-generated rendition. Ah, the fucking pop-up.

   2. MMMichael P. Masters1:00:22

      Yeah. For sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      Um, so-

   4. MMMichael P. Masters1:00:24

      But- I mean, UFO patents.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      ... yeah, they didn't get a picture of it, but-

   6. MMMichael P. Masters1:00:28

      But here's the patents. Scroll up a little bit. Uh, so a month ago, I did a deep dive on a post about UFO patents, how magnetohydrodynamic propulsion systems could explain some of the observations. Includes an expired patent for the 1960s and a few newer patents describing not only the propulsion, but how the plasma field can make the craft invisible to radar. Huh. Huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Yeah. I mean, again, it makes sense. Like, if, if we have been reverse engineering these for 70 years, we would start bringing them out. They would look weird. They wouldn't necessarily look like the craft that we struggled to fly at Groom Lake that we could go up and down with, and that's about it. Like, they would look...

   8. MMMichael P. Masters1:01:10

      ... like, this little thing that's simple, that's basic-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

      Yeah.

   10. MMMichael P. Masters1:01:12

       ... that's a propane tank, or it's a cube within a s- sphere, or... I probably had that backwards again. Um, and then experiment with it, see what you can do. And a lot of people make the argument, "Well, why would they do that? It's dangerous. You know, what if there was a midair collision?" If they are actually manipulating spacetime in these things, like they seemingly are with the, with the saucer-shaped craft, you don't have to worry about that. You know, you're, you're, you're... it's... this isn't a cat and mouse game where the cat and mouse are equal. Like, you have complete control of spacetime in and around that area. You're not gonna run into anybody. They're all moving extremely slowly relative to you-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       Mm.

   12. MMMichael P. Masters1:01:42

       ... according to Puthoff and Davis at the end of that docu. And whoever reached out to me, whether it was Hal or not, somebody reached out to me and explained this same thing in 2019, and it makes a lot of damn sense. And (smacks lips) to kind of extend it into my area of research, if you can manipulate space and time in and around this craft, what's keeping you from using that to travel through time?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       I guess. I mean... but again, that's with the, the different mod... not the multi-worlds model, but the... what was the other model that you just brought up?

   14. MMMichael P. Masters1:02:12

       Block universe.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

       Block universe model.

   16. MMMichael P. Masters1:02:13

       The block universe theory.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       Yeah, um... the idea that they would be so advanced that they could genetically engineer a body and get to whatever state they are at, where they communicate telepathically, but yet they can't solve the problem of old DNA, like needing... what, what do they need? D- genetic diversity? Like, what is it? What are they trying to get out of us? Are they trying to get the source, source material-

   18. MMMichael P. Masters1:02:43

       Well-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

       ... instead of the old stuff, or instead of the stuff that they've had forever?

   20. MMMichael P. Masters1:02:47

       One of the arguments I made in my first and second books is that, really since European colonialism started about 500 years ago, we are all becoming one interbreeding population. So, it used to be that you had different isolated populations, and then occasionally there would be gene flow that introduces new genes. If we all are just one population on this inbred island of Earth, where are you gonna get new gene variants? And then you combine that with, uh, the things we just talked about, with the potential for things to go wrong, with trying to make designer babies, or, you know, the trends toward reduced fertility in men and women. And importantly, the potential that there could be some massive cataclysm that puts us into a huge bottleneck, where there just is no genetic diversity at all.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:03:36

       Mm.

   22. MMMichael P. Masters1:03:36

       Like, if you think about something that happened that wiped out a huge percentage of the population, and there are warnings about this over and over again with experiencers and contactees that are like, "There's some cataclysmic thing coming." If that were to happen, all of those problems we're already having, all of the trends that are already leading to us having problems with fertility in the future, would be hugely exacerbated by a very limited gene pool.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:59

       But we know that human beings have gotten down to a very small population-

   24. MMMichael P. Masters1:04:04

       It's happened before.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:04

       ... in the past.

   26. MMMichael P. Masters1:04:04

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:04:04

       Yeah. So, we are...

   28. MMMichael P. Masters1:04:06

       So, we're already kind of limited-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:08

       Yeah.

   30. MMMichael P. Masters1:04:09

       ... in our diversity.

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