EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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Intro
- JRJoe Rogan
[upbeat music]
- 0:02 – 3:44
Inside the show: nerves, long-form conversation, and resisting short-form dopamine
- JRJoe Rogan
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
- JRJoe Rogan
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
[upbeat music] Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music] Hey, Bradley Cooper. [laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
What's happening, baby? You know what it's like when, uh... Like a Twilight Zone episode or something-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BCBradley Cooper
... where, like, you're watching the T- this is an episode where, like, I'm watching the TV, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
And then all of a sudden you're inside of the show.
- BCBradley Cooper
And all of a sudden, and you're looking at me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BCBradley Cooper
And I got the m- y- yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
And all of a sudden I'm inside the show. It's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird for me, too. It's we- it's weird for me that it gets weird for other people, too. Like, when I see people-
- BCBradley Cooper
Of course
- JRJoe Rogan
... being weird about it-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... I'm like, "It's okay." [laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
I feel comfortable, just so you know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, good. [laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
You look comfortable.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, no, no, no.
- BCBradley Cooper
But it-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's excitement. It's weird for me. Like, I was trying to explain this to someone. They're l- they're like, "Do people have a hard time being comfortable on the show?" I go, "I kind of do, too. It's fucking weird."
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird that that many people are watching.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then you start thinking like, "Oh, don't fuck it up. Don't say that." [laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
Right. [clears throat] But if you think about it, the fact that you did this long-form setup and that we live in a culture where people ta- at least say that every- it's all about short-term-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- BCBradley Cooper
... it, it goes against it. The people are interested.
- 3:44 – 6:27
Memory in the internet age: Niagara Falls, VR, and Dunbar’s number
- BCBradley Cooper
But the... And the other thing is about memory. Someone was talking about Niagara Falls the other day, and I just thought, "I've been there, right?" And then I'm like, "Have I been there?" [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
Or did I see a video? [laughing] Like, like, or was, or was that one of the things when I put the Oculus on?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right, right.
- BCBradley Cooper
Honestly, I can't remember, but I know what it feels like to be looking at it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
So the it's, it's, it's, it's, it's changing the way memory works.
- JRJoe Rogan
F- 100%.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've, um, come... I've hit a wall in my memory, like a tangible wall, because, uh, and I think it's connected to, like, Dunbar's number. Like, Dunbar's number is the amount of people that you can keep in your head, like, because we evolved in these tribal scenarios. We, we evolved with, like, 150 people, and so the way Dunbar, uh, calculated it, there's, like, very close, intimate, close-circle people, which is a small amount, and then, uh, uh, immediately after that, there's a slightly larger amount, and then it gets up to... What is it, like, it gets up to, like, 1,000 people?
- JRJoe Rogan
1,500.
- JRJoe Rogan
1,500 people? That's the most amount of people you can keep in your head. So there's, like, five people that are, like, your tightest of tight, and then 15 are, like, slightly outside of that, and it gets all the way up to a- about 1,500 people-
- BCBradley Cooper
Excuse me
- JRJoe Rogan
... recognizable people. But-
- BCBradley Cooper
I would think I'd be able to... That you could keep in your head.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but I'm way past 1,500 people, so I'm fucked.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I am, like... There's people that I know really well, and then I see them, and I'm like, "I don't remember his name."
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, 1,500 sounds right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it, it seems bad.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I'm like, "Why can't I remember his fucking name?"
- BCBradley Cooper
I can't remember more than that.
- JRJoe Rogan
I can't remember his name.
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, I'm hor- I'm horrible with names.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's just because my hard drive sucks. It's like I don't have enough room.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like, you know, when you... The old iPhones, it's like, "You've run out of, you know, max space."
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, oh, geez, I gotta start deleting photos and videos, and you go-
- 6:27 – 11:09
Bradley’s love letter to comedy culture and why the film feels real
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah, that's funny. That's funny. Speaking of which, I watched your movie, um, Is This Thing On? And it's good. It's really good, man.
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, thanks, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's, it's one of the best representations of someone attempting to do stand-up, and it's like, it's, it's a really good film. And it... You know, but it's not really just about stand-up. It's a- it's about these people with this v- it's about at... They're, they're actual human beings. Like, these are complicated, real, like, not car- caricature-ish, not cartoonish people. Like, like, I get that these are real people.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right. Good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Complicated, real-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... people that are trying to figure out their relationships-
- BCBradley Cooper
Good
- JRJoe Rogan
... and in the context of this one guy, Will Arnett, is attempting to do stand-up.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it was great.
- BCBradley Cooper
I'm glad you say that, like, so you f- 'cause, uh, you know, I moved to, uh, New York in, um, '97, and, and then that was my introduction to any comedy world other than with my dad. I used to watch, uh, Rodney Dangerfield's, you know, uh, New Year's Eve special. We used to watch it every year, you know, and it was Elaine Boosler and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm
- BCBradley Cooper
... Sam Kinison and, and Dice, and, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
God, Elaine Boosler. I forgot about her.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. [laughs] I'm pretty sure-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow
- BCBradley Cooper
... she was on there, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... yeah, yeah, yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
And, um, and I was obsessed with Dice when I was, like, in eighth grade. I memorized one of his records, and I would do it-
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- BCBradley Cooper
... in the train station with all my friends. [laughs] 'Cause back then, that's all you did, right? You would memorize stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah, me too.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, there was no video to look at. You know, you wouldn't all sit around. You would just memorize and then, you know, regale your friends with your-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- BCBradley Cooper
... your impersonation of him. And then, um, and Richard Pryor was my hero, hero growing up. That was my idol. So I had this thing with stand-up comedy, and then I moved to New York, and I'm all of a sudden immersed with these clubs and, and Upright Citizens Brigade had just started. And I did this movie, Wet Hot American Summer, and uh, all... There was all these people. I didn't even know about The State. Remember that show on, uh, MTV? They, there was this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, all this.
- 11:09 – 12:17
How the stand-up scenes were built: real rooms, minimal takes, no sweetened laughs
- JRJoe Rogan
How did you, uh, work out the stand-up scenes? Did you have real audiences, and then they just-
- BCBradley Cooper
It was never just real audiences because, um, you, you have to hit the quota of extras with SAG and all that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BCBradley Cooper
But, but we, we, we tried to do it as authentic as possible, which was everybody that works at the Cellar, they're there in the movie, the... Everybody who agreed to do it. So all the waiters and everything, the staff, that's all people that work there. Um, Liz, who's the manager, who plays the manager, she's the manager of the Cellar. So all those people are real, but then the patrons, we s- I can't remember what the email was or what the, the, the, the, the ask was, but, like, people who like to go to stand-up comedy, who go, who go regularly. And then once they were there, I never told them what was gonna happen. I never directed them once. It was like, whatever the- they're laughing at, that's it, and I don't do many takes. So you're getting an authentic reaction. Now, it's hyped up because there's cameras there, and it's a movie, but they're not told what to do. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
It feels like that.
- BCBradley Cooper
And so... And even in the mix, like, we never added anything. There was no added laugh, nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's great.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, yeah, it's all... 'Cause I was like, "It's just gotta be real," 'cause I wanted Will to just... You know, I just don't want him to act.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- 12:17 – 20:44
Training Will Arnett like a comic: secret sets, Shane Gillis material, and Kill Tony stakes
- BCBradley Cooper
I just want him to... And that's why, you know, you, uh, Shane Gillis was kind of... The first time he ever went up was here at the mothership.... Shane gave him four minutes of his set. [laughing] And he and I, and Will and I flew to Austin, and we're sitting in the green room, and Shane was, like, an hour and a half late. And Tony was there, and, uh, he was so nice. I'd never met Tony before, and that's where I smelled the thing, you know, I did the smell-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, the smelling salts? [laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, dude, fuck me! [laughing] That shit is no joke, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
[chuckles] Um, and, and that was the first time Will ever went up, and we, he was just trying some of that material and went up as Alex Novak. 'Cause I was like, "When do you have an opportunity as an actor to actually do the thing you're preparing to do?" Like, you can-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
And like, think about how much that would cost. Like, you can go into a room where there's real people-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
... It's all, and then every step that you're taking, you're in a club. So he did that, and then when we back- went back to New York, he did it, like, three times a week, four or five times a night for, like, six weeks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- BCBradley Cooper
Just so he could understand what it's like. And some people didn't know who he was. You know, you get a lot of tourists come into New York City.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BCBradley Cooper
And there were nights where you knew that he, when he said Alex Novak, they're like, "Cool." [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
Not like, "You're not Alex Novak."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right, right.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know, they're like, "Okay, let's see what you got."
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BCBradley Cooper
And, uh, so that was really, that was really great.
- JRJoe Rogan
How did you... Who wrote this film?
- BCBradley Cooper
Uh, he wrote it with this guy, Mark Chappell. It was a, it was a movie that was more about his, uh, based on this guy, John Bishop, who's a real comedian, is a very successful comedian in the UK. And, and he, Will met that guy, uh, on a barge somewhere, and, and he was at, talking about his story, and he was like, "Yeah, I was in... I was doing something else. My wife and I were breaking up, and I walked into a bar, a pub one night. I didn't wanna pay the cover." That really happened to this guy. So he put his name down, and then they called him, and then he was like, "Yeah, I'm getting a divorce," and got a couple chuckles. But he just loved it. Never done comedy, nothing before that, and he kept going back, and he, like, was obsessed by it. And then, like, weeks later, his wife, estranged wife, walked into a place he was doing an open mic at with her girlfriends, and he was doing a set about their relationship. So that actually happened.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- BCBradley Cooper
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
And then they got back together, and they're still together. And then now he, like, he tours around the world. Like, he's makes a living as a comedian.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's incredible.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. So when he was telling me that, I was doing another movie, and I remember I was like, "What are you working on?" 'Cause we've been friends for, for, like, 25 years. And, um, and he was telling me that, and I was like, I just imagine Will... 'Cause I know him so well, and he's so charismatic and funny and just has this presence that, that is kind of lacking. I don't feel like there's, like, a male archetype now that fits him. He's like, he's like Robert Mitchum. He reminds me of, like, a young Robert Mitchum, Will Arnett. And he's telling me that, I'm like, his voice and, like, that face, stand-up comedy. I was like, I just couldn't get it out of my head, Joe. And I was like: "Hey, man, like, can, can I read it? Like, what, how far along are you guys?" And I read it, and I was like, I didn't quite... Because, like you, I'd never seen a movie that I thought nailed it, and I love stand-up comedy so much. I was like, "And I have no desire to try to redo it." And also, comedy is so massive right now, and, and the specials are so great and cinematic right now, that there's no reason to try to make a fictional movie about something that we can watch as a documentary or a docuseries or a show that is authentic. I was like, "So, but I still would really love to capture it cinematically. So what if it's a foil, and the movie's about the two of them?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- BCBradley Cooper
" 'Cause that's interesting."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- 20:44 – 25:46
Stand-up craft and the shift in comedy culture: from 90s backstabbing to internet collaboration
- BCBradley Cooper
And also, the, the, the one thing I wanted to touch on is the craft of it all. You know, that it's, that it takes a lot of work. I know that it's not... You know, just, you know, the writing. You know, when she says at that one point, she's like, "You gotta write."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
"You know, and keep going up." And I think most people, at least I didn't know before I started going, that people go up three or four times a night.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BCBradley Cooper
Like, I didn't under- And so that was something I thought it was important to convey.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
Just the work ethic that's needed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, New York is really great for that, and it's always had a culture of that. It's had a culture of guys hopping from club to club and doing set to set because there's so many clubs in, in Manhattan. So guys would just, you know... Uh, I think the most guy- I ever heard one guy did eight, eight or nine sets a night.
- BCBradley Cooper
Wow!
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, they're just like... That, that's how many clubs there are.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So you just hop all over the place.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You start your night at, like, 8:00 PM, and finish at 2:00 AM.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, downtown. There's a ton downtown that you can go uptown.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can go all over the place. It's, um... We've got a lot of that here now. There's just so many clubs in Austin now.
- BCBradley Cooper
I mean, when we went there, what you built is incredible.
- JRJoe Rogan
Thank you.
- BCBradley Cooper
The culture-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fine
- BCBradley Cooper
... everything. You know, I showed the movie to a stand-up who hadn't done stand-up in, like, 15 years, and he said, "The only thing that for sure you got wrong is the culture." I was like: "What do you mean?" He's like, "No, people aren't that nice." And I was like: "Actually, I think you're wrong." I was like, "It's changed." I was like, "People are supportive now."
- JRJoe Rogan
It's in where you go. There's places where it's not very supportive.
- BCBradley Cooper
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
But at least, like, I used to go to The Cellar, like, in early 2000s, didn't feel like it does now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Well, I think Ari Shaffir changed that a lot. He brought, like, the culture of LA to New York-
- BCBradley Cooper
Mm
- JRJoe Rogan
... where you're, like, more supportive of each other. It was always, like, dog against dog because it... Really, w- the way it all started out was in the 1990s, it was all about everyone was auditioning for a sitcom, and-
- 25:46 – 34:22
Joe’s sitcom lightning strike: Hardball, NewsRadio, and why luck beats narrative
- BCBradley Cooper
Were you doing stand-up before, uh, your sitcom?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BCBradley Cooper
I see.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
Okay, so d- is that how that happened? Did someone see you, and then they were like, "Oh, you gotta, you gotta try this show?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I got... I got ridiculously lucky. Like, you know, a lot of people say, "Oh, I worked really hard to get on a sitcom." Nope. Nah, I got lucky. I did the MTV... I never had any aspirations to act at all.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I did MTV Half-Hour Comedy Hour. I got a development deal, and all of a sudden, I'm in- living in LA, and I'm on a sitcom.
- BCBradley Cooper
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it happened in a couple of months.
- BCBradley Cooper
And a great sitcom.
- JRJoe Rogan
I was on a bad one first. I was on a bad one-
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh
- JRJoe Rogan
... called Hardball.
- BCBradley Cooper
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was a sitcom on Fox where I played a baseball player. That show got canceled, and unfortunately, I thought it was gonna go, 'cause I was retarded. I was, you know, [chuckles] 20, 25 years old, [coughs] 26 years old, and I was like, "Oh, this is gonna take off. I should get an apartment." So I had a lease on an apartment, and I wanted to move.
- BCBradley Cooper
By the way, everybody... I'm sure people were telling you that it was gonna take off, too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah!
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody believed it.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, you're gonna win an Emmy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the guys-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... who made it, uh, Jeff Martin and Kevin Curran, they worked on The Simpsons. They worked on Married... With Children. They were really good.
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
But then the Fox people came in and just ruined it. Like, the executives came in, and they brought in a bunch of hacks and just ruined the show.
- BCBradley Cooper
Did you have fun doing it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah, I had a g- I had a kind of good time, but I also missed comedy, and I missed New York people, and I wanted to get out of there. I was like, "I gotta get back to New York. Fuck this place"-
- BCBradley Cooper
Right
- JRJoe Rogan
... as soon as it was over. But then I was like, "Fuck, I got this lease." So I had a lease for a year, and then I got a development deal.
- 34:22 – 39:14
Live comedy vs specials: hypnosis, camera language, and editing that breaks trust
- BCBradley Cooper
Do you watch a lot of specials, comedy specials nowadays?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't. I watch a lot of comics, like, when I see them at the club.
- BCBradley Cooper
Live.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right, but not, not like, um, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I probably should. [sighs] I probably should watch more of them, but really, comedy is... It, it's like an artistic form of hypnosis, and the real way to see comedy is to be there live.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause you're, like, l... And you know when the person's locked in, and you know when they're not. You feel it. They got you. Like, they're thinking for you.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, if, if I'm watching Attell, and he's at, like, the Mothership, and he's killing, like, we're all like this. We're, like, locked into his brain, and we're letting him, like, take us on a ride.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it's like a kind of a form of hypnosis.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I th- I really think that a stand-up special, as good as they are, you're maybe getting 60 to 70% of the experience of actually being there.
- BCBradley Cooper
That's why I l- enjoy watching to see how different people make them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- BCBradley Cooper
'Cause it's all different types.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know, some are heavily edited, which always brings me out, if there's a way to keep it so you feel like you're in the room.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know, I remember it was in Mr. Tambourine Man or the T- the, uh, Chris Rock special where... When he changed the tone of it, and he started talking about jerking off to porn and how he became addicted to porn, and it was that great, uh, filmmaker who, uh, who's a comedian, who does music. He did that thing during COVID when he was, uh, um, in his house.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bo Burnham.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bo Burnham.
- BCBradley Cooper
Bo Burnham.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BCBradley Cooper
I think he directed it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really?
- BCBradley Cooper
And the camera just keeps going on, keeps going on. By the time... You don't even realize it, 'cause you're hypnotized. You're right here on Chris Rock, and I think probably subconsciously, just thinking about it now, that's probably one of the things, 'cause that's kind of the frame I used the whole time on Alex on Wheel.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
But I remember watching it, going like, "When the fuck did this become a close-up?" [laughing]
- 39:14 – 44:01
Bradley’s acting origin story: The Elephant Man at 11 and meeting Anthony Hopkins later
- BCBradley Cooper
I remember being 11 and watching The Elephant Man and knowing at that moment... You okay?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I'm sweating.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just gotta take this.
- BCBradley Cooper
Knowing at that moment that like, "Oh, this is what I wanna do for the rest of my life." B-
- JRJoe Rogan
When you saw The Elephant Man?
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, I remember-
- JRJoe Rogan
Why was it that movie?
- BCBradley Cooper
I, I mean, I don't know. I mean, but if... I've thought about it a lot, obviously. Um, first, David Lynch directed it, and I remember the scene, Anthony Hopkins... I loved film, so I always loved film. My dad loved film. But it wasn't, like, a conscious thing where I was like, "This is it." And I remember, you know, in my living room, it's on the TV. I saw all the movies on the TV. You know, I never saw Apocalypse Now in a movie theater, or Godfather, or anything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
Blazing Saddles, Longest Yard Runner, or, you know, it... None, none, none of it. It was all on the television. And, um, but I was watching The Elephant Man. It was on HBO. It came through Philadelphia, where I live, Comcast, and they would show, like, it all the time, and it was Anthony Hopkins coming in, and he's seeing, uh, Joseph Merrick, the Elephant Man, for the first time. And the way David Lynch shot it, you only see his shadow, and then Hopkins starts crying, and I don't know, I was just like, I was there in that cellar with him, and I was like... I forgot I was in the living room. And then and the whole movie was like that, and I- it came out, and I was like: "I just want... I want that." So-
- JRJoe Rogan
So was that, like, the first seed that was planted, you think?
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, that was it.
- JRJoe Rogan
How old were you?
- BCBradley Cooper
It was the first and only. It was the... I was 11. It was like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- BCBradley Cooper
... it was like, bam! It was like a shot.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a scene right here. So this-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, it's right, it's right... It's this. This is it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, look how young Anthony Hopkins looks.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, he looks- [clip from movie] Yeah, he was incredible.
- SPSpeaker
Stand up. Stand up! [heavy breathing] Turn around. Turn around. Turn around. [dramatic music]
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. [sighs]
- BCBradley Cooper
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
So that was it.
- BCBradley Cooper
[exhales] Yeah. [exhales]
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BCBradley Cooper
[exhales]
- 44:01 – 50:51
American Sniper behind the scenes: the fake baby, Clint’s pace, and real-person responsibility
- JRJoe Rogan
What was it like doing that scene with the fake baby?
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, bro.
- JRJoe Rogan
Was that weird?
- BCBradley Cooper
It's so funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
I was just talking about that two days ago, dude. And you know, I've come full circle.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah?
- BCBradley Cooper
I actually think it's dope. [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Really? [laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
[laughing] I think it's fucking dope.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why?
- BCBradley Cooper
Because it's so just like, "Wow, look at these people, fully invested, and it's a doll." [laughing] And he's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's, like, a scene where you're, like, kinda, like, moving the hand-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... a little bit with your finger.
- BCBradley Cooper
No, I, I could tell you the, I could tell you the whole thing, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
[exhales]
- BCBradley Cooper
So we had three sets of, uh, twins, and, uh, Clint likes to shoot fast, which I loved and love. And they were crying, and they weren't ready, and he was like, "You know what? Let's just, uh, let's put, let's put the doll in." [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
And I was like, "Okay." I was like, "All right."
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
And, and, and I have the doll. And I remember, and I made a joke on set, and I was like, I was like, "Uh, I just saved you 35 grand," 'cause I moved his, his, uh, his hand with my thumb.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. [chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
You know, like, "I saved Visual Effects, like, 50 grand."
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
Like, made a joke about it. And then we got to post, and we were in Vancouver, uh, at the... doing the meeting. But you know, everybody defers to the boss, and I still remember being in a, in a room, and I'm... Like, a theater, we're watching, and they're like, "Okay, Clint, so we did this, and, uh, you know, the tank has dirt on it," and, you know, whatever visual effects they had done. We get to the baby, and they're like, "Okay, Clint, this is, uh, this scene," and it ends. And I'm literally behind Clint. I just see the back of his head, and I'm waiting for everybody to raise their hand. [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
Like, "We gotta spend more money and make, make the kid real."
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
And, uh, I think the kid had, like, two fingers, too. Like, they weren't even... It was like an, "Hey, yeah, that's-"
- 50:51 – 1:01:33
Becoming Chris Kyle: 6,000 calories, weapons practice, voice work, and staying in character
- JRJoe Rogan
So what did you... Like, what, did you train to-
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what did you do-
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... to try to, like-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. Well, here's... It's interesting, right? It's like, well, I couldn't do anything that would ever achieve what he achieved, but it's like, what can I do to look like a master, right? So there's three weapons, the .338 Lapua, the .50 cal, the, uh, the, uh, rifle. It's like, what can I do? How much time do I have? I think I had, like, six months. Also, luckily, we're the same shoe size, same age. He has a hole in his ear, I do. You find things that, like, you know, uh, uh, same height. I was like, "Oh, this is, this is great." Uh, and then I just, like... But he's 238 pounds, so the first thing was 6,000 calories a day, found a trainer, and just-
- JRJoe Rogan
6,000?
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, 6,000 calories a day.
- JRJoe Rogan
How did you force 6,000-
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, first I did it with real food, and that was a big mistake. [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
'Cause I couldn't get up. I re- remember the first week I did it, I had an incredible chef, and, and, and then I would- I couldn't get up. Like, I couldn't move, like, I couldn't move my stomach. So then we, I think we split, like, half of it into protein shakes, but it was still 6,000 calories.
- JRJoe Rogan
When you say you couldn't get up, like, what do you mean?
- BCBradley Cooper
Meaning my stomach wasn't able to process that much food. Yeah, whatever, whatever happened, I couldn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
It was just getting blocked?
- BCBradley Cooper
Getting blocked. Like, major pain, like I was giving birth or something, what I would imagine. So then we'd change it, and it would be like huge meal, shake, huge meal, shake. Worked out twice a day, fi- I had three rest days, no cardio. It was all about strength training. Like, and then, and it was all focused around deadlifting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- BCBradley Cooper
And, uh, it was this guy, Jason Walsh, who I worked with. And, um, and I did that... Yeah, so it would be, like, Monday to- Monday, 5:30 a.m., and then a 4:30 p.m. or, like, 3:30. Monday, Tuesday, rest Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, rest Saturday, Sunday, and did that. And I got up to 238 pounds, and a lot of it was, like, 'cause I was thinking about him, his neck, and he mi- so I gained, like, I would do all these, all the neck stuff, and it was his shoulders. Like, I just wanted so you could shoot over, and it's like, you know, which we did all the time in the movie, where the guy's just, you know, Chris.
- JRJoe Rogan
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- JRJoe Rogan
Um, how much weight did you gain?
- BCBradley Cooper
I went from 185 to 238.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa!
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, and all naturally, 'cause I, cancer's in my family. I've had skin cancer, and, like, I'm terrified of anything. So I was, like, not gonna do that. Um, so, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
You take creatine or anything?
- BCBradley Cooper
I took creatine, yeah. Which, by the way, I just started again, like, three months ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it's amazing.
- BCBradley Cooper
Dude, [chuckles] I'm on this push-up thread with a bunch of dads at my school-
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
... and we do 100 push-ups a day, and if we don't, you have to pay $10 into a pool, and then when we get to 800, we go to Chinatown, and I'll have a meal with the money. And then I started taking creatine, like, two and a half months ago, and, uh, we just upped it to 150. I was like, "This is..." 'Cause I could only do... And we'd, like, YouTube the perfect pushup, which I didn't know, which is, like, a whole other world. Uh, and then now it's like, it's, uh, I mean, creatine is incredible.
- 1:01:33 – 1:18:13
Training the artist’s mind: acting school, fear, vulnerability, and using insecurity as fuel
- BCBradley Cooper
But, but, but it's evolved into, it's like what works for you. To me, it's like you use your, your own experience plus your imagination, you know, but that's, that's the sort- that's the, you know, sort of a very layman's 50-second, uh, you know, telling of what the origin of the method is. But I went to the Actor's Studio, which is based in the method. That's where I went to grad school.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, i- is it easy?
- BCBradley Cooper
And it's very valuable, 'cause I didn't know shit before that. I mean, I did, I did a couple of plays at Georgetown. I didn't know any- I mean, I just loved acting, but I didn't do anything about it. I was terrified as a kid. Like, we did this thing in high school where we had to, as seniors, we would put on our show where we would make fun of our teachers, and I, like, I could do my Latin teacher, Mr. Burke. I was like... And I actually sang in it. We sang, and I was like... But I was terrified, Joe, for the whole year. Sleepless nights for a year leading up to it. That's how scared I was in public. I remember doing, like, a fifth grade presentation with the poster boards about Locke and Hobbes, and the poster shaking so hard 'cause I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
... 'cause I was so nervous. I was like, "How am I gonna... What's this fear thing?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that weird?
- BCBradley Cooper
I know. But then at, in college, I did a couple of plays, but I still didn't know what I was doing, but I loved it. And I was like, little stuff. I was like Asilon, the server in Dangerous Liaisons, but I still remember, like, I closed the door in a rhythm, rhythmic way, and people laughed. And I remember I was like, "Ooh." I was like, "This feels good."
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
And then, and then so I w- applied to grad school there, and then all of a sudden, it was like I got a huge foundation of, like, what I could do. You know, that your insecurities are actually your attributes, your fears are stuff that, you know, all this thing that you've... You're a sensitive kid, this is all good stuff, and I never felt that way before about any of that. And I had this teacher, Elizabeth Kemp, who was incredible, who then passed away in my house years later.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BCBradley Cooper
She got sick. Yeah, it's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Passed away in your house?
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah, in Venice, California. Yeah, she was sick, so we put her hospice there, but, um, she was incredible. And she did this basic technique class, and it was the first time ever, 'cause I didn't, you know, grow up therapy or... and none of that was even, you know, in the vicinity of talking about your feelings. You know, my, I loved my dad, but I grew up in, you know, the '80s in Northeast Philadelphia with a Irish-Italian upbringing. That wasn't part of the deal. And, um, and then all of a sudden, in grad school with other guys and women, and we're, like, laying down, and she wants us to go through an experience of loss and betrayal when we were children. It's like, what the fuck? And actually, I could take all that stuff I've been ashamed of, and it, it, I could use it and bring it into art. I don't know, it really clicked with me-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow
- BCBradley Cooper
... in a huge way. Um, so, and I use it even to this day. All the movies I do, I, I always get the actors together and do, like, a workshop for a week that's based on dreams that she also taught me, and I, I just find it invaluable. Any way you can just... How can I just get to a place where we're just talking to each other, and I don't, you know, what c- and then all this stuff I feel, it's okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
When you're doing a guy like Chris, it, it must also be kind of easier to keep the accent than to try to reestablish it right before every scene.
- BCBradley Cooper
Joe, you just said it. It's a logical thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
Th- that's it. It's a logical thing. The idea of me talking with an accent or even thinking that it's an accent, 'cause you don't think about it anymore. The whole point is I'm not doing an a- if I'm doing a scene with you, and I'm thinking about how I'm talking, it's over. It's a wrap.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
It's not real.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
But if I'm just talking to you, and it, it happens to be the voice that I've been working on for however long time, then we're in it. We got a shot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
And if I'm stopping it, there's no way I'm not thinking about [mimicking trilling] .
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
So yes, Joe, that is the reason.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what's a really underappreciated talent is voice actors who do audiobooks. I was watching a video of this guy, 'cause I never knew how they did it, and I kind of assumed that whenever they had to change accents, they probably had a pause, or they were, [clears throat] blah, blah, blah, did... But there's a, there's a video of a guy doing the voiceover for Lord of the Rings, the Lord of the Rings audiobook, and he goes into Smeagol, he goes into the Gollum character while he's doing narration. There's no break. He just smoothly transitions into Smeagol.
- 1:18:13 – 1:22:26
The zone and the necessity of failure: comedy bombing, acting truth, and letting go of control
- BCBradley Cooper
And then the fear is when you get famous or people get popular early, that can be confusing because you start to have, like, um, "I have to maintain a certain..." You start getting careful. Like, I was thinking about when you said, like, "What is that thing when it's just, it's hypnosis?" The key to that is willing to fail. That's what I learned-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm
- BCBradley Cooper
... as an actor, is like, "Oh yeah, just don't take it too seriously. Here we go."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- BCBradley Cooper
"We're rolling the camera. We can fuck... Let's just... Here, let's see what happens. I'm gonna go out on a limb. Maybe it won't work," but, like, yeah, be willing to, like, completely fail.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, willing to fail.
- BCBradley Cooper
And the minute you do that, it's like, oh, and all of a sudden, there's this reservoir of space in your head and your soul to actually create even more of an, of an imaginary circumstances.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- BCBradley Cooper
Now, if you haven't done your work, you're fucked anyway.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
But, like, but once you're there, it's like, once you're like, "Oh yeah, everybody, we can just fail. Let's just, let's just fail"-
- JRJoe Rogan
How do you p-
- BCBradley Cooper
Does that make sense? Do you know what I'm saying?
- JRJoe Rogan
It 100% makes sense. It makes sense because the only way you're gonna really find out what it is, is to, like, try it all kinds of ways.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yes. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That we... I was just having the conversation, you know, Brian Callen, our mutual friend, uh, he, he texted me last night. He's like, "I got a new bit, and I just ate a dick. I have to go up on stage with it tonight. It's fucking terrible." He goes, "But I know there's something in there." And we were, we were talking on the phone right before the show. He's like, "Dude, my fucking new bit just bombed. It ate dick last night. I don't know what to do. I go, but I know there's something there." It's like, you've got to be willing to bomb. You gotta be willing to eat a dick.
- BCBradley Cooper
If you don't, I don't know how... I, yeah, I don't know any... If you're careful, you're, it's, you're, it's over.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't.
- BCBradley Cooper
Careful is death.
- JRJoe Rogan
I talked to Chris Rock once, and he told me that that bit that he did, that was one of his all-time classic blip- bits, "I love Black people, I hate N-word."
- BCBradley Cooper
Right. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
He goes, "That bit bombed for, like, a year."
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs] He couldn't get, couldn't get it to work. He's like, "I know there's something in there, but I have to find it."
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"And it took a fucking year."... and think about, we're talking about a year of going up at the Store, going up at the Improv, going here, going to the Laugh Factory, going here, going there. Fuck! Pulling your hair out. Fuck! Trying to figure it out. A fucking year, man.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, uh, and when you're Chris Rock, you're already Chris Rock.
- BCBradley Cooper
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you, for... You know, you could talk about getting your dick sucked, you could talk about something, people will laugh. And you're like, "I think there's something here. I gotta grind this fucking thing down-
- 1:22:26 – 1:41:40
LA vs New York: isolation, belonging, and learning to love the process
- JRJoe Rogan
How do you pick a project? Like, how do you decide what you wanna do, and how much time do you spend deliberating on it?
- BCBradley Cooper
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause you're in a unique position where you can do a lot of things.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can kind of do whatever you want. So it's like, what gets your juices going? Like, how do you decide what to do?
- BCBradley Cooper
It's all about, um, something igniting in me that, uh... Like, for example, uh, when I was little, I thought, like, I- al- obsessed with Vietnam. I was obsessed as a kid.
- JRJoe Rogan
With what?
- BCBradley Cooper
Vietnam.
- JRJoe Rogan
Vietnam.
- BCBradley Cooper
The War in Vietnam. And my math teacher was a, was a recon in, in Vietnam, Bill Calm, and I was, like, obsessed with this guy, and he, he was fascinating. Fascinating. He was a pole vaulter, and he... That was his cue for the chalkboard, was a broken, one of his broken pole vault, um, sticks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow!
- BCBradley Cooper
And he would always... And he always wore sweatpants, and he would lean against the thing. So all day long, half of his sweatpants would be full of chalk. [chuckles] And he would always smoke cigarettes on the athletic field and stand on the bench, and so he'd always be perched there. And like my dad, he would never put out his butts. He would always save them. So he always smelled like, like tobacco, his hands. And I... And then my f- this other guy, ca- his father came and talked about this book, Guns Up, which is an incredible book about a machine gunner in Vietnam. So, and then I asked my dad if I could go to the military academy. Like, I would do something, and then like, uh, uh, you know, Thin Red Line destroyed me-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm
- BCBradley Cooper
... the Terrence Malick movie, and Apocalypse Now-
- JRJoe Rogan
Great fucking movie
- BCBradley Cooper
... I was, like, obsessed with, and all these films. Um, and so I always wanted to do something about pl- I always felt like I had a love enough and an interest enough that playing a soldier would be something that I felt like I had a reservoir. So that led me to Chris.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BCBradley Cooper
That was that. Um, it's all specific things. It was just Joseph Merrick, you know, the Elephant Man. Like, when I was... I had no money, and I took a... I got a one- I Tower Air, went to London, uh, and, like, w- tracked his, his steps at Hospital Road and where he went out, just 'cause I was obsessed with this guy, Joseph Merrick, the Elephant Man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BCBradley Cooper
And then it wound up, you know, then making it, you know, doing the play at Broadway, where they originated it, you know? And then, um, A Star Is Born was really about... I just love... I l- I always wanted to direct. I don't think I dreamt that big, but I, I really realized, what I loved about the process of the industry I'm in is the making of it. I never felt like I fit in just acting. I never felt like I thought... Like, at the first... Like, like you, like, I went to LA with a job. Like, I went to grad school in New York. I thought I'd just be a theater actor if I was lucky. If I could make a living as an actor, I... This is a home run. My dad was terrified, you know, 'cause he came from North Philadelphia, only guy to come out of the neighborhood, kind of. There were a couple other guys. But then he became a stockbroker, and then his son's gonna do acting- [clears throat] ... and be 70 grand in debt, uh, in grad school. You know, Fannie Mae, thank God. But, like, you know, and I didn't know if I was gonna pay it off. And, uh, but, but that said, I, we, we grew up, like, upper-middle class, but still, I was like, "I'm paying for grad school." I took a loan out, and then... So he was terrified. And then I got a job on this show, Alias, that brought me to LA. But the minute I got there, I didn't know anything about check the gate. I knew nothing. You know what I mean? [chuckles] I knew nothing. I just loved movies. And so I was obsessed, Joe. Obsessed. I would go in the editing room, and I found out, like, very hard when I was... When I went there, I got very depressed. I was like, "This is high school all over again."
- JRJoe Rogan
Me too.
- BCBradley Cooper
Holy, holy.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's exactly how I felt.
- BCBradley Cooper
I was like, "What the..." I mean, I could... I went to grad school. I'm in New York City. There's guys that I can relate to and talk about movies. I was in heaven. Then I get this job that I think is gonna be the Holy Grail, and I'm miserable. [chuckles] Living in the first floor of this woman's house-
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- BCBradley Cooper
... just like-... it was crazy. I was like, "I didn't know I could be this depressed." I mean, depressed, like, I need water, and, like, the idea of going to the Rite Aid on, um, on, uh, Sunset and, and Fairfax was, like, too much.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
And, uh, yeah, that was rough.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's depressing-
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah
- 1:41:40 – 1:47:41
Parenthood as the biggest perspective shift: meaning, compassion, and daily ‘jolts’ of joy
- BCBradley Cooper
And you see with your children.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, yeah, my daughter, who loves to draw, if she sees somebody who's drawing-
- JRJoe Rogan
My daughter... I have a daughter that loves to draw, too.
- BCBradley Cooper
And, and it's amazing.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's really talented. Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
So I'm, I bet if my daughter drew with your daughter, she would stop because she would see how good she is, and she gets so frustrated. This just happened the other day, and, you know, and she'll just rip up what she's doing, which is wonderful. I have it right here. So she... This, I saved this. I was like, "Don't rip it up." She did this yesterday, and I was like, "Don't rip it up. I'm gonna make it my bookmark."
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah, that's cool.
- BCBradley Cooper
But I watch her process of, like, dealing with difficulty.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BCBradley Cooper
And, and it's like, and just trying to explain, like, it's, it's okay. Like, you know, and being frustrated is okay. But I could see myself in her and what everybody goes through, but isn't that awesome when you're watching your kid go through these things?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
It's just the greatest thing in the world.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's awesome watching people get obsessed with things and then progressing.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. Oh, yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And when it's your own child-
- BCBradley Cooper
It's the-
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's even more insane.
- BCBradley Cooper
It's amazing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
It's amazing!
- JRJoe Rogan
It is cool.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. Like cartwheel, took her forever to learn it, but now she can do it, and I was like, "You just keep at it."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's, uh, w- learning through someone else's eyes that happens to be your child is one of the most magical things ever. It's magical, 'cause-
- BCBradley Cooper
It's the, it's... It's it, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
It's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a different kind of happiness.
- 1:47:41 – 2:13:32
AI, social media, and the future of connection: sex robots, jobs, and why art still matters
- JRJoe Rogan
The news is just bad. It's all the time. It's people getting shot, and run over, and war, and bombings, and invasions, and [gasps] it's just exhausting.
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's, like, in the background of your mind constantly when you're going about your day. It's like there's this fucking algorithm that you're being fed. It's like, [grunts]
- BCBradley Cooper
Yeah. And at the same time, it's a miracle to me that the demo- demo- democratization of information that we live in now, that you can choose points of view to learn about what people think, in a way that when I was growing up, three stations, news, that was it. There wasn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know, there's something wonderful about it, too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know? I've just talked about this the other day, like, you know, everybody's algorithms telling them... Now, I'm not on social media, so the truth is, I don't know what the fuck-
- JRJoe Rogan
You're not on it at all?
- BCBradley Cooper
No. I'm not, I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's amazing.
- BCBradley Cooper
So I should do it for two... My friend was like, "Go on for two weeks," and he's right, and I'm gonna do it, just to experience it. What, what is that experience? All I have is that one TikTok moment for 20 minutes [chuckles] -
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- BCBradley Cooper
... where I was like, "I gotta stay away, 'cause I'll never leave."
- JRJoe Rogan
You've never had a desire to get on it?
- BCBradley Cooper
I do. No, I do. Just the same way I don't put a television in my bedroom-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah
- BCBradley Cooper
... which is like, if I do, I may never get out of bed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know? It's fear.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBradley Cooper
I was like, I don't know, just all that stuff, like I said, you know, da, da, da, da, you know. I just wanna learn. The people, people, you know, the world, world gets smaller, I feel included. 'Cause the main thing is, like, I just don't wanna feel alone, right? And to me, it feels like social media is a place where you don't feel alone, 'cause you're just learning about, and there's all these people talking to you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but you do feel alone, too, though.
- BCBradley Cooper
Ultimately-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- BCBradley Cooper
... because it's, it's the drip as opposed to the real... What we got back to when we first started talking: it's the illusion of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BCBradley Cooper
You know, if it's taken at... But, but it c- but it is worthwhile, too. It depends on how you contextualize it, right? And like anything in life, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I think there's a value to it, for sure.
- BCBradley Cooper
Oh, no question.
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