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[upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!…
- JRJoe Rogan
[upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
- SPSpeaker
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music] Hello, jungle man.
- PRPaul Rosolie
What's happening?
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you, my brother.
- PRPaul Rosolie
It's been a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's going on? You got books, you got notes.
- PRPaul Rosolie
I got books. I got the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Marshall's here with us.
- PRPaul Rosolie
I got this for you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah, a little, little note in there-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh
- PRPaul Rosolie
... you can read later.
- JRJoe Rogan
Junglekeeper, buddy.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah, the brand new... That's what- back from the Amazon with that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nice. Marshall, say hi to everybody. Come up here.
- PRPaul Rosolie
I love that you bring Marshall. Have you- has Marshall gone on other podcasts, or is it just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, he's been on a couple.
- PRPaul Rosolie
You're a good boy. You're a good boy. We should-
- JRJoe Rogan
I just have to keep him from, uh, going under the wire. Hello, buddy.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I gotta keep him from, uh, getting under the... Come on up. Come on up here. Say hi to everybody.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Aw. He's the best.
- PRPaul Rosolie
He is the best.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a good sweetie.
- PRPaul Rosolie
He's soft, man. He's got-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- PRPaul Rosolie
... he's got amazing coat.
- 15:00 – 30:00
Mm…
- JRJoe Rogan
plants that they grew for agriculture were the ones that had, uh, you know, once people stopped tending them-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Mm
- JRJoe Rogan
... and taking care of them, they overwhelmed the rest of the forest.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah. A, a friend sent me a clip, and you were, I think you were talking to Tom Segura, and you went, "You know, and the crazy thing about the Amazon..." Uh, and you went, "It, it's, it's largely man-made." And I was like, [claps] and I, like, threw something, and I was like: "No, this is not!" [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, let's find out why we said that. Let's, uh, pull that up. Um, put- run that into Perplexity and see what articles we get.
- PRPaul Rosolie
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Because what they're saying is that these plants, the, the number i- if, I believe, if I'm not misstating, the numbers that they exist in are, are not natural.
- PRPaul Rosolie
But that's only around these ancient sites, and so I went and did a deep dive into this, and the sites that they've studied are along the watersheds. And so in the Amazon, you have terra firma, which is sort of dry forest, and then it dips into the river basin, and you have floodplain. Most of these cities existed on floodplains, and so where the scientists are able to go is up the rivers, and they go to the edges of these floodplains, where they find ancient human settlements, and that's where you find terra preta soil, which is human-engineered.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- PRPaul Rosolie
And that's where you find there'll be, like, a higher incidence of certain trees or certain plants.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. What are these trees?
- PRPaul Rosolie
And so, like, bananas, for example, or s- sometimes they'll plant a higher amount of Brazil nut trees.
- JRJoe Rogan
So here it is, our sponsor, Perplexity, which is always accurate. "Estimates suggest that roughly 10 to 15% of the Amazon standing forest shows clear signs of being man-made or strongly shaped by long-term indigenous management, not planted as uniform tree farms, but modified over thousands of years. Much of the Amazon that looks wild has been influenced by pre-Columbian indigenous agroforestry, soil enrichment, uh, Amazon dark earth," that's terra preta-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, "and species selection, rather than being a purely untouched wilderness. These systems differ from modern plantations. They are diverse, semi-natural forests, enriched with useful trees and crops, rather than rows of single commercial species." So the, the idea of the terra preta was that a lot of the Amazon soil is not good for agriculture. Is that correct?
- PRPaul Rosolie
It's barren.
- JRJoe Rogan
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- PRPaul Rosolie
It used to be a vast inland sea.
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy!
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yes. When it, when it separated from Africa, the, the, the, the Congo and the Amazon used to be joined in some sort of proto-Congo system, and then when they, they separated, the Amazon, South America hit up against the Nazca Plate, the Andes Mountains shot up, and then the salinated water drained out, and that's why we still have, uh, inland freshwater stingrays, manatees, pink river dolphins.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
- PRPaul Rosolie
And so that happened-
- JRJoe Rogan
That makes sense
- PRPaul Rosolie
... over millions of years as the, the salinated water-
- JRJoe Rogan
So over millions of years, the saltwater dolphins adapted to freshwater.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Exactly, and changed.
- JRJoe Rogan
And is that why they became pink?
- PRPaul Rosolie
They became pink, I think because they've lost their pigmentation. They have terrible eyesight.... um, they almost don't need to see, because you don't- in the, in that sediment-rich water, they're using s- they're using sonar.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Mm…
- PRPaul Rosolie
to look like. It's supposed to be this lush, verdant, ancient rainforest filled with wildlife. I mean, the cacophony of sound. When you, when you're, when you're going to sleep in your tent at night, and you're out in a place like that, it's just this throbbing, pulsing symphony. It's incredible. The magic of that place-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm
- PRPaul Rosolie
... of real wilderness is wild. I mean, this is pl- that, that particular shot was... It's- we had to go for days to reach that spot. You know, all day on the river, camp, all day on the river, camp. You know, you're going up rapids. You're going up the waterfalls to get to these places that nobody can go. And there's a, there's an example of, it's-- that was a, a, a specifically a location where they've studied, and they've found that there's never been a human settlement there. It's just a corner of the Amazon-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ever?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Ever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have they done lidar in these areas where they say that people have never been?
- PRPaul Rosolie
I, I don't, I don't know for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's where it gets weird, right? Because, like, they've done lidar on some of these places that were, like, very lush and tropical, and then they find these structures underneath it.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
They find these areas that-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... clearly had, you know, some sort of pathways and s- like, uh, b-... geometric patterns that indicate foundations of buildings.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah. No, I mean, those, those are there. I just think that right now the problem is that it's getting grossly overstated how much of the Amazon... If you take it, take it as a football field, and you go, "Man, I thought it was only in this much of the football field," you know, in a few inches of it, and then you find out there's actually 10 feet of the football field that was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- PRPaul Rosolie
There's, there's still the rest of the football field-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- PRPaul Rosolie
... is still wild.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Right.
- PRPaul Rosolie
And so what- I think that's the, the message that's getting lost is they're going, "There's a lot more here than we thought." That doesn't mean the whole thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
I watched a documentary once on this guy who was losing his mind. He was a scientist, who was a, a biologist, who's convinced that the giant sloth still existed in the Amazon-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they couldn't find it.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that these people who lived there were telling him, "We see them-"
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"We know what they are. We have a name for them." And this guy had been there for years, and he was losing his mind because he couldn't find it, and he sort of staked his academic reputation-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... on the idea that this sloth existed. Couldn't find anything, but it doesn't mean it's not there.
- PRPaul Rosolie
It doesn't mean it's not there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because there's so much.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Wow.…
- PRPaul Rosolie
dangerous, no tree climbing, no anaconda hunting, no croc diving, none of that stuff." And I was just swimming in a waterfall, bam!
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Just, just-
- JRJoe Rogan
How long ago was this?
- PRPaul Rosolie
... put me out of the game. That was actually in April. I waited to post it until now, but everyone's, everyone's messaging me, going: "How's your foot?" And I'm like: "It was months ago," but I was like, "It is better."
- JRJoe Rogan
How long did it take before it was better?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Honestly, two days. I was on my feet in two days.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- PRPaul Rosolie
It was fine. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And if you went to the hospital?
- PRPaul Rosolie
I did not go to the hospital.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you did go to the hospital-
- PRPaul Rosolie
I mean, the guy that-
- JRJoe Rogan
-how long would it take?
- PRPaul Rosolie
... the guy that went to the hospital didn't walk for two months, had the necrosis, and, and had a huge infection that he had to go get treatments for. I mean, he went back to his home country-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow
- PRPaul Rosolie
... and had to continue being treated for months. I felt terrible. And him, too, watching, watching someone roll back and forth in that type of agonizing pain, like Braveheart pain, like when they're just, like, opening him up.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh.
- PRPaul Rosolie
I mean, I just didn't know there was pain like that, you know? I mean, I've, I've, I've ripped open every part of my body, and, and I, I, I just... This was- it's from the inside, and it's pulsating, and you just go... The other thing is, you go, "How much, how much of my year did I just miss?" You know, am I gonna... It's like the, the one time I almost chopped my knee, uh, I almost cut the tendon that holds your kneecap on, and I was just like: "Man, did I just take myself out of the game for a year?" You know, just like, "Come on." And so when that happened, I was like, "This is gonna be so bad."
- JRJoe Rogan
And meanwhile, a couple days later, you're walking around-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Well, because-
- JRJoe Rogan
... because they understood the medicine
- PRPaul Rosolie
... the local guys know. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- PRPaul Rosolie
That was awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ask them how they know this stuff?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah. Their father taught them, and their mother taught them, and their grandparents know. And so that's the thing with knowledge, indigenous knowledge all over the world. If you, if you listen to authors like Wade Davis, who writes a lot about indigenous wisdom, you know, this is stuff that's been one at a time gleaned from nature. And, you know, you, you know better than most, you know, you're living out there. Who's the first person that figured out ayahuasca? You know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- PRPaul Rosolie
... if we take this and this, we take this vine, and then we take this, and we boil them together, how many trials and errors, how many dead guys were there before one worked?
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles] Right. And what was the motivation?
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
Oh!…
- PRPaul Rosolie
were stand- these were not tall people like the Mashco-Piro. These were little, tiny people, and they were standing there with their bows. And so we showed up with our tents and our gear, and we were trying to go up this river in our boat, and these little people came up to us, and they were like... They were making the gesture for food. And so there's some loggers over there, and so JJ just didn't, didn't think, and he was like: "You want some food, you gotta go pay for it." He was like, "Money." And, you know, he's-- through a guy who was translating, and these people are going, "But we don't have any money." And JJ took some coins out of his pocket and was like: "Just go buy some bread." And he gave them some coins, and they went and they tried it, and they got some bread. And then all of a sudden, there's 50 of them coming at us, and they were surrounding JJ, and they were grabbing at him, and they were like, "He's the guy with these tokens that allow us to eat."
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh!
- PRPaul Rosolie
And we had to get out of there 'cause it was causing a problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- PRPaul Rosolie
But, I mean, these people think they, they, they're with their bows and arrows, and there's no more animals to hunt-
- JRJoe Rogan
[exhaling]
- PRPaul Rosolie
... and no one's gonna give them money, and they live at the edge of the world.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're probably tiny 'cause they don't have any protein.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- PRPaul Rosolie
It was horrifying. It was one of the worst things I've ever-- I've seen poverty all over the world. This was, uh, again-
- JRJoe Rogan
A hunter-gatherer tribe-
- PRPaul Rosolie
... McCarthyan-
- JRJoe Rogan
-with no food
- PRPaul Rosolie
... With no food and no way of getting back to forest where they could be a hunter-gatherer tribe. Now, they were in this, in this wasteland where the loggers and the gold miners and the oil companies... There was, there was even, there was even a barge with oil, and it was like, this is where the Amazon is being eaten.
- JRJoe Rogan
[exhaling]
- PRPaul Rosolie
And it was out of sight. You have to go for days just to get there. There's no foreigners there. Actually, they did say... We were talking to one logger, and he said-... He goes, "You know, a few years ago," he goes, "there was a- we saw some rafts coming down river, and then they stopped at this beach up river, and they, they, they made camp." And he's like, "So we all talked about it, and we said, 'Well, we have a feeling they're organ harvesters.'" And they-
- SPSpeaker
What?
- PRPaul Rosolie
They were scared of these, of these incomers, right? And so-
- SPSpeaker
The, the organ harvesters-
- PRPaul Rosolie
That's what-
- SPSpeaker
-visit the Amazon?
- PRPaul Rosolie
No. And so but that's what they were... They're sitting around the campfire, and someone was like: "What if they're organ harvesters?" Like-
- SPSpeaker
Well, why would they think that?
- PRPaul Rosolie
I don't know.
- SPSpeaker
But, but that must be a thing that gets-
- PRPaul Rosolie
I don't know. But, but the dude I was sitting with told me, he goes, "You know, we got real scared sitting around the campfire. Everyone was telling these stories," and he's like, "So we figured the safest thing would be to go kill them." So they went, and they killed them, and they were a couple of European, like, hikers on a mega expedition in the Amazon.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, God.
- PRPaul Rosolie
And they just got murdered by the locals preemptively in case they were dangerous.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, God!
- 1:15:00 – 1:30:00
But how can you protect them from…
- PRPaul Rosolie
So they love it.
- JRJoe Rogan
But how can you protect them from the narcos? I mean, it seems like-
- PRPaul Rosolie
The police-
- JRJoe Rogan
... the amount of money that's involved-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... in trafficking cocaine-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Mm
- JRJoe Rogan
... would make it a real problem.
- PRPaul Rosolie
But the good thing is that these are the little artisanal ones. These are the guys that go-- These are not like mafia bosses. This isn't like the Mexican cartel. These are like these little clans of people that go, "You know what? We could just grow some cocaine, and then we'll sell it to the big guys," and so they're just... They're like mom-and-pop cocaine growers, and so-
- JRJoe Rogan
But they're also murderers.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Well, of course, and so when the, when the cops go out there, the cops just arrest them and take them straight to jail, and so the cops have been supp- Everyone assumes that Latin American police, no matter what, are gonna be corrupt, and, like, the police force we've been working with has been keeping us alive, and they want this park protected as much as the indigenous people do. It's amazing how many good people are out there. They're actually helping.
- JRJoe Rogan
And how many narco organizations, artisanal narco organizations, are out there?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Peru has become... It's, it's, it's not great. Peru, I think, has become, if not on the same level as Colombia, I think they might have surpassed Colombia in terms of cocaine production. They're, they're not doing great with that right now, and so we're at this very, very, uh, crucial juncture there. But, you know, it's funny 'cause in, in doing all this, you know, with, even with the book coming out, and I've, I've been talking to people, and people go, "Well, you have narcos now." They're like, "So you're gonna fail," and it's like: Man, you're not even the one on the ground. Like, I'm the one on the ground. I'm telling you we're not gonna fail, and the police have been successful at clearing them out, and it's getting better. Just like the whole thing with, "Yeah, the Amazon's disappearing, but we can still stop it." It's like you gotta... You think, like, before D-Day, if Churchill was like, "Ah, we'll probably lose," like, you can't have that mentality, and so it's very, very encouraging seeing the, the, uh, the local people stand up for what they believe in, and, and, and the job is dangerous. There's a, there's a video on there that, I think it says Sandra Tree Crush, but we- I got woke up a few m- a few weeks ago, and, uh, one of my managers came running at, like, 3:00 AM. I see a flashlight coming through the jungle, and so I'm thinking the worst, and then he comes. He's going, "Paul!" He goes, "A tree..." And I was-- I told you the last time I was on here, I said, "The most dangerous thing in the rainforest is the trees falling."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- PRPaul Rosolie
He said, "A tree fell on the ranger station," and it's raining, and I'm talking about rain... You know, when you're at the airport, and you hear that sound where it's like there's no sound louder. Your ears can't handle it. It was raining so loud, and he's screaming into my ear that this tree fell on the ranger station. He goes, "And one of the rangers was, was crushed." And I'm going, "But dead or alive?" And he goes, "We don't know yet." And so it's 3:00 AM, and we get in this boat, and we're going upriver, and there's lightning flashing, and there's rain falling, and I'm looking with the flashlight, and I'm, I'm navigating by the crocodile eyes 'cause we don't know where the edges of the river are-
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- PRPaul Rosolie
... 'cause they sh- you know, the eye shine. And so we have footage of this, and we arrive at the ranger station, and sure enough, this tree had fallen, crushed the roof, all the beams, and, and all the, all the scaffolding under the roof, and fallen on this woman's face while she was in bed. And so she was crushed under this, and she couldn't even scream because it was raining so loud. And so we get there, and I, I stick my hand into the rubble, and I hold her hand, and I'm like: "Are you okay?" And she was like, "Hey, Paul." She's like, "I have no idea," and she was amazingly, like, like, buoyant. She was like, "I have no idea if I'm okay." She's like, "But I'm alive." I was like, "We're gonna get you out of here," and we started chainsawing, I mean, like, 16 feet of tree debris over her and all this gnarled roof material, and we had to pull her out of there, and she had a scratch on her ankle.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- PRPaul Rosolie
We got this great video of her sitting in a hammock at, like, 6:00 AM, and she's smoking a cigarette, and she's like, "I'm alive."
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles]
- PRPaul Rosolie
She's going, "I'm alive," and she didn't quit. She's still a ranger.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- PRPaul Rosolie
And it's like, she's out there right now-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow
- PRPaul Rosolie
... driving up and down because she wants that forest protected for her kids, and it's like, these people care.
- JRJoe Rogan
It sounds like the adventure of this is very addictive to you. This is what, what I'm getting.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think you love it. I think you love the forest.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think you love protecting it, but I think there's something about the danger of it and the chaos and the wildness of it all that's, that seems to me... I'm looking in your eyes. You're smiling 'cause you know I'm right. [chuckles]
- 1:30:00 – 1:45:00
Right…
- PRPaul Rosolie
eat it." But-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- PRPaul Rosolie
... nobody's serving me caiman, so I'm not gonna-
- JRJoe Rogan
So that's not a, a staple of their diet?
- PRPaul Rosolie
No. In, in the, in the north, in Iquitos, they eat a lot more caiman, so you don't see caiman.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- PRPaul Rosolie
On our river, there's still, there's a caiman on every beach. There's, there's jabiru storks, there's cacoy herons, there's just macaws everywhere. It's just, there's just so much life. It's Avatar. It's just, just pulsing life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- PRPaul Rosolie
It's incredible.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you find that video of, uh, Dave Attell?
- SPSpeaker
No, uh, [clears throat] it weirdly is, like, not online.
- JRJoe Rogan
Huh.
- SPSpeaker
I found a picture of the episode, but not a video of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. [laughing]
- PRPaul Rosolie
[laughing] And they're just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Shooting nutria. Yeah, I think they eat them, too.
- SPSpeaker
See one of them caught it, but I can't find it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PRPaul Rosolie
And he was actually on the episode, just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- PRPaul Rosolie
... just walking with him?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah. This is a long time ago. This was back when Dave was drinking.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So this is like... Dave's been sober for, I wanna say 15 years at least, somewhere in that range.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and this is back when, you know, he would just drink at the comedy club, and then stay up all night, smoke cigarettes, drink coffee.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Never end.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, he's the most unhealthy and also the most hilarious guy alive.
- 1:45:00 – 2:00:00
Yeah…
- JRJoe Rogan
I am very averse to head injuries-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... which is kind of hypocritical, because I'm a combat sports commentator, you know?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird, and I've also been hit in the head a bunch of times. But I just think it's really fucking bad for you, overall. I stopped sparring when I was in my late 20s, really.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Kickboxing sparring.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then I did it a little bit when I was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes. I went back and started sparring again.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Did, did you fight Wesley Snipes?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, Wesley Snipes was-
- PRPaul Rosolie
I think that would be hysterical.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was in... I was in my mid-30s-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... and I was like, "This is the last chance I get to do something like this."
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then, um, I got contacted by, uh, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the producers of the early UFCs. He's like, "This is gonna sound crazy," but, uh, Wesley, he was in tax problems. He wound up going to jail for tax evasion. Apparently, he had some crazy guy who was telling him, "You know, you don't have to pay taxes." You know, there's, there's those guys that are like-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What do they call them? Sovereign citizens. Is that what they call them?
- PRPaul Rosolie
I think so.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a lot of people that give really bad advice, you know?
- PRPaul Rosolie
And he got in with someone like Wesley Snipes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh. And, you know-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... they tell you, like, "They can't prosecute you. You- it's not in the Constitution."
- PRPaul Rosolie
And he believed it because he didn't have access to other people.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. I never talked to Wesley.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. I don't have anything against him.
- PRPaul Rosolie
You sure he just wasn't scared of fighting you, so he made up this whole story?
- 2:00:00 – 2:12:35
[chuckles]…
- JRJoe Rogan
were part of the Lost Tribe of Israel. Yeah.
- PRPaul Rosolie
[chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
So some rich Mormon guy did a DNA test on Native Americans-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... and find out, found out that they emanated from Siberia.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so it was incorrect.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
So we know humans came down from there. Why wouldn't other animals?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
We know they did.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
We know short-faced bear-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yes
- JRJoe Rogan
... a bunch of different a- uh, animals, that they find their bones in Alaska.
- PRPaul Rosolie
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they know that they probably made their way down through North America. It just stands, it just makes logical sense that if you have a variety of different megafauna-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Of different primates
- JRJoe Rogan
... that, uh, probably-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... one of those primates or a bunch of those primates lived in the Pacific Northwest-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Sure
- JRJoe Rogan
... which is the area where they would be, right? And then you have incredibly dense forest, right?
- PRPaul Rosolie
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So Jane Goodall-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Jane Goodall won't rule out-
- JRJoe Rogan
... won't rule out the existence of... But no, no, no, w- find the video where she says-
- PRPaul Rosolie
Well, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
... "I'm convinced."
- PRPaul Rosolie
"I'm convinced."
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