Joe Rogan Experience #2443 - Filippo Biondi

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Filippo Biondi 0:13 Fine, thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Uh, obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. Uh, we should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid, and, uh, incredibly controversial, very fascinating, and if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.

Filippo Biondi 0:46 Yes. Uh, thank you for, uh, this invitation, and, uh, yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group, and, uh, uh, dean professor of ch- chemistry at University of Pisa. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:02 Can you explain your background, please, so people-

Filippo Biondi 1:04 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:04 ... understand? Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:05 Yes, my background is, uh, this, I am a telecommunication engineering. I graduate, uh, at the university-

Joe Rogan 1:11 What is that word again? Say it again.

Filippo Biondi 1:12 Telecommunication engineering.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Telecommunications engineering.

Filippo Biondi 1:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Okay.

Filippo Biondi 1:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:15 It's like, your, your English is excellent, but the Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's [chuckles] difficult to translate.

Filippo Biondi 1:22 Thank you very much, Joe. Uh, I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English, but-

Joe Rogan 1:26 It's still m- much better than my Italian. [laughing]

Filippo Biondi 1:29 [chuckles] Okay, thank you. Yes, I graduated myself in, uh, university, at the University of Lecce, south of Italy. Uh, very nice university, and, uh, it, it was, uh, uh, it is, uh, uh, has the name of a famous, uh, mathematic, mathematic Italian, uh, which is Ennio de Giorgi. Uh, Ennio de Giorgi, um, was, uh, living in the era than John Nash was living also, and they, uh, were, they were one against to the other, and, uh, they were, they was, uh, both, um, studying the 19 Hilbert prob- problem, and John Na- um, Ennio de Giorgi solved this pro- this problem one week before John Nash.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Ah, interesting.

Filippo Biondi 2:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:22 John Nash, who, from the famous movie-

Filippo Biondi 2:24 Yes

Joe Rogan 2:24 ... Brilliant Mind.

Filippo Biondi 2:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:25 Russell Crowe.

Filippo Biondi 2:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 2:27 And so, uh, then I performed my PhD at, uh, La Sapienza in Rome, uh, and now I'm here.

Joe Rogan 2:35 And how did you get involved in this, this discovery?

Filippo Biondi 2:39 Yes. Um, I worked, uh, on radar and synthetic aperture r- radar for a lot of time. Um, a radar-

Joe Rogan 2:48 For the Italian military-

Filippo Biondi 2:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:50 ... right?

Filippo Biondi 2:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Some work.

Filippo Biondi 2:51 Yes, yes, some work.

Joe Rogan 2:51 Which you can't really talk about.

Filippo Biondi 2:53 No.

Joe Rogan 2:54 No. Right.

Filippo Biondi 2:54 Uh, and, uh, I was, uh, um, uh, involved in some research where, um, together with, uh, uh, the Italian Research Council of Bari, always south of Italy, uh, we, we was testing some, uh, special processing, uh, that, uh, were able, were able to, to, to perform something special.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 3:20 And so this is. [chuckles]

Joe Rogan 3:22 So this top-secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out?

Filippo Biondi 3:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:32 And this is satellite-based technology-

Filippo Biondi 3:34 Yes

Joe Rogan 3:34 ... correct?

Filippo Biondi 3:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:34 And it's, uh, radio tomography?

Filippo Biondi 3:37 Yes, it is, uh, something, in my personal opinion, very simple. Uh, the radar is, uh, installed on board on the satellite. The satellite, uh, flies, uh, at, in the space, uh, at a distance of 600 kilometers, uh, at, uh, seven, uh, kilometers per second in velocity. So while, uh, it flies, uh, along the orbit, it is, um, able to catch snapshots of the Earth. The snapshots has to be focused, and this focusing procedure, let's say it, in the azimuth, I take it easy, in the azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound, because, uh, it is involved the so-called Doppler frequency. Uh, you know, Joe, when, uh, you hear noises that are approaching to you, the, this noise will rise the frequency because it- the, the target has a velocity, a positive velocity with respect to you, and so the frequencies rises up. And this procedure, uh, allow us to estimate or to, to grab, let's say, the, um, um, vibration information that is always present at the surface of the Earth in terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the Earth. So this vibe- vibration, which is mechanical vibration, uh, carries inside of this, the, the, the information that is located underground, and so we did this.

Joe Rogan 5:13 And was it a specific idea... Was it the, the idea specifically to look under the pyramids, or was this something that was discovered accidentally?

Filippo Biondi 5:23 Okay, yes. Uh, once, uh, we discovered, I, uh, we discovered this, uh, this method, uh, it was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. And at the time, I speak- I'm, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking, uh, about, uh, something that, uh, if, if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids, because he needed some information to, to, to conclude the, the research that he was doing.... and so, uh, I proposed him to use my technique, uh, and, uh, we started to work together, and so we focused at in that time on the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 6:11 And wh- wh- when was this, uh, when was the first scans?

Filippo Biondi 6:16 Uh, yes, in 2019.

Joe Rogan 6:19 In 2019?

Filippo Biondi 6:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today, where you see the columns with the coils around it?

Filippo Biondi 6:28 Okay. Uh, in- let's say that this research is, can be divided by two. The first one, 1.0, uh, we were concentrating research on the Khu- uh, Khnum Khufu Pyramid, the Cheops Pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have, uh, detailed, tailored our processing to watch only inside the pyramids. Because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were, uh, doing that kind of research. Then once we, uh, discovered things in 2020, we published, uh, the peer review paper, and, uh, we gave, uh, public the rese- the results that we found in inside the Khun- Khnum Khufu Pyramid, we decided to expand our, um, research in all the G- the Giza Plateau.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Can I stop you there? The, th- when you looked ins- so we know quite a bit about the Khufu Pyramid-

Filippo Biondi 7:27 Yeah

Joe Rogan 7:27 ... and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?

Filippo Biondi 7:36 Absolutely, yes.

Joe Rogan 7:38 S-

Filippo Biondi 7:38 Because we have detected, uh, this, uh, multi-layer structure that is inside the Khnum Khufu Pyramid, the so-called Zed. We have discovered it, uh, uh, very well from the space, and it is located inside the pyramid. And also, we discovered that the new-- we, no, we discovered it. We, we, um, uh, we gave an image also, of, of the other known structures, like the Gran, the Grand Gallery.

Joe Rogan 8:07 The Gra- the Grand Gallery.

Filippo Biondi 8:08 The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen's Chamber and the King's Chamber also, so.

Joe Rogan 8:16 And accurate in terms-

Filippo Biondi 8:18 Yes

Joe Rogan 8:18 ... of size and dimension?

Filippo Biondi 8:20 And also position and location.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?

Filippo Biondi 8:27 Yes. Uh, we decided to focus below the pyramid, uh, because we, uh, we were, uh, our intention was to expand our, um, research. And then also, thanks, uh, to the third component of the research group, which is Armando Mei, uh, he suggest us to expand our research and scan all the Giza Plateau.

Joe Rogan 8:52 And so what, what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it-

Filippo Biondi 8:59 Yeah

Joe Rogan 8:59 ... and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?

Filippo Biondi 9:01 Yes. In the second part of, of our research, we, uh, started focusing our scans on the Khafre Pyramid, and, uh, like Khnum Khufu. And then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper, and so when we did this, uh, very nice things, uh, uh, be- began to, to appear on our results.

Joe Rogan 9:30 What, what did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? Uh, I believe they're, uh, the diameter is 20 meters?

Filippo Biondi 9:42 20 meters. 20 meters.

Joe Rogan 9:43 So they're huge-

Filippo Biondi 9:44 Yes

Joe Rogan 9:44 ... enormous columns.

Filippo Biondi 9:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:46 What, what, what went through your mind when-

Filippo Biondi 9:48 Skepticism. Skepticism. I told for, uh, also Corrado, uh, was with me, because, uh, w- we had those results for, uh, in our, um, desk without, uh, disclosure or anything for six months. Because my, my opinion was that was not real. Mm, I, uh, I did, I w- was thinking that, uh, maybe it was noise or some artifacts due, due by our, uh, processing, uh, procedures.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Did it give you pause at all that they were so uniform, that these columns were in very specific places, and that they, they lined up, there was an, a uniform gap in between them?

Filippo Biondi 10:39 Yes. And, uh, uh, why we disclosure this? Because we started to use also other satellites. And, uh, once we, uh... At, at the beginning, we were using only the Italian, uh, satellite system, that is, it is COSMO-SkyMed and COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation. It's very good, very precise. But, uh, we wanted to shift, uh, our research using also other satellites, because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that, uh, we, uh, were, uh, searching. We were searching confirmation, confirmation. So once we had the same results, uh, while we were, uh, we was using, uh, uh, American satellites, uh, called the Capella Space and also, and also other satellites, having always the same results, we decided to disclosure.

Joe Rogan 11:36 How many different scans have been done on this area?

Filippo Biondi 11:40 Two or three hund- two, more than 200.

Joe Rogan 11:43 More than 200?

Filippo Biondi 11:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:44 And all with uniform results?

Filippo Biondi 11:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:47 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 11:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:49 There's a lot of resistance to this, and it's from the usual characters, and it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And, um, unfortunately, they are not-... willing to approach this with an open mind, and you see this skepticism, that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They, they want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have?

Filippo Biondi 12:37 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 12:37 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 12:37 We have a particle collider wh- where I have born, in L'Aquila, which is located in the center of Italy, at the center of Italy. Um, there is a huge mountain called Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso d'Italia, which is, uh, uh, has a maximum altitude of about, uh, 3,000 meters. For being precise, 2,993 meters. And so, um, there, there is a, a tunnel, very, very long tunnel, about, uh, 11, 12 kilometers, and, uh, in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say it like that.

Joe Rogan 13:20 And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's-

Filippo Biondi 13:26 Absolutely

Joe Rogan 13:26 ... deep in this mountain?

Filippo Biondi 13:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:28 Okay.

Filippo Biondi 13:28 At, uh, uh, 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.

Joe Rogan 13:33 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 13:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Okay. So we know it's accurate, we know it works.

Filippo Biondi 13:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:37 What do you think it is-- I mean, other than what I said, that i- it's gatekeepers of archaeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps m- um, a quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What i- what, what is-- what do you think it is that is causing this resistance?

Filippo Biondi 13:56 Uh, uh, personally, it's true, we found a lot of resistance. Yes, it's true, but personally, I don't know why. Uh, I can say something, uh, regarding to my personal opinion. Uh, Joe, it is something that maybe is too big, too, too huge to, to be disclosured like that today. I don't know why.

Joe Rogan 14:20 It's confusing to people-

Filippo Biondi 14:21 Yes

Joe Rogan 14:21 ... 'cause it, it's, it's essentially paradigm-shattering. Because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000 stones.

Filippo Biondi 14:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:33 Uh, the, the alignment is to perfect true nows, true north, south, east, and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. It's just as undeniably fascinating that this was done at the, the very least 2500 BC, probably even older than that.

Filippo Biondi 14:53 Older, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:53 We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then, when you add-

Filippo Biondi 14:59 Yeah

Joe Rogan 14:59 ... the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, "We don't know anything." We really don't. We, we know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense because there's, there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb, it doesn't look like a tomb. And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work?

Filippo Biondi 15:23 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 15:25 Which, you know, he's an engineer, and he said it, it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing-

Filippo Biondi 15:31 Yeah

Joe Rogan 15:31 ... and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power.

Filippo Biondi 15:34 Yeah. Uh, yes, in this, uh, in this context, uh, I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn, and, um, in, in, uh, um... I like a lot his theory, and, uh, it, it makes sense. And, um, and so these discoveries matches a lot with his, uh, with his and also to other scientists, that makes, make recast the, uh, effective purpose of the pyramid, not to, to be tombs. But w- today, we are sure, we are sure or- of one thing, that the pyramids are not tombs.

Joe Rogan 16:13 They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if, if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg.

Filippo Biondi 16:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:26 That's just the top.

Filippo Biondi 16:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:27 And underneath it-

Filippo Biondi 16:28 It is

Joe Rogan 16:29 ... you have these immense structures-

Filippo Biondi 16:31 Yeah

Joe Rogan 16:31 ... that we have not yet fully explored, but you have data that shows that... Let's, let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what-

Filippo Biondi 16:40 Yes

Joe Rogan 16:40 ... we're talking about. 'Cause once you see it, y- your mind just goes, "Okay, what are we even talking about?"

Filippo Biondi 16:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Like, what was this civilization? When did it exist, and what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling, but if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that i- i- is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.

Filippo Biondi 17:11 Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because, uh, what we found, it is something that, uh, is- has been confirmed by, by our measurements. And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only, are the only data that, uh, we have because there aren't other da- other data. So, uh, what we are w- uh, observing, we are, we are observing principally vertical structure. These vertical structures has a, a pattern, a regular pattern, and this regular pattern is, uh, um, uh, constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 17:52 Okay, so what are we looking at here? These are-

Speaker 17:55 Oh, that's the right one.

Filippo Biondi 17:56 Yes.

Speaker 17:57 Yeah. Okay.

Filippo Biondi 17:59 Yes, that is the Khafre pyramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is, uh, on the x, uh, the- so the horizontal dimension, we have the space.... okay?

Joe Rogan 18:11 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 18:11 Space adjust, uh, the range. And on the vertical, we have the depth.

Joe Rogan 18:17 Okay.

Filippo Biondi 18:18 Okay? On the top, we have, uh, the s- um, uh, the, the, the pyramid you see. You see the pyramid on the top?

Joe Rogan 18:25 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 18:26 And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down, and look, you have the spiral nature of the, of the, of the structures.

Joe Rogan 18:38 Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen, so what are s- l- let me see some other images.

Speaker 18:43 Um, well-

Joe Rogan 18:46 'Cause this is just one, right?

Speaker 18:48 Yeah, I know, that's what... This is from his presentation, and I didn't know where to get the best image from it.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Okay, back up one. So-

Filippo Biondi 18:55 Go, go. Okay, again. We have a lot of, uh, images here that, uh-

Joe Rogan 19:01 Mm-hmm

Filippo Biondi 19:01 ... that, uh, is recasting all the, uh, the research that we have done together.

Joe Rogan 19:07 So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate- pull up some more of those.

Speaker 19:15 Yeah, yeah, I was gonna get them off the web, off the-

Joe Rogan 19:16 Okay. Um, some of the images online, of, are recreations of what it, uh, is observed and what you believe this could-

Filippo Biondi 19:24 Mm

Joe Rogan 19:24 ... look like underneath, correct?

Filippo Biondi 19:26 [chuckles] Uh, we have performed measurements, and they, they are sound measurements that are, that has been picked up from the surface of the Earth by satellites. So they are very precise, and they are coherent. Uh, coherent, it means that contains a lot of information, so it is, uh, uh, characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like?

Filippo Biondi 20:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:06 And how are you getting that from the image that's below that?

Filippo Biondi 20:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 20:11 So the image is just one aspect of the data, correct?

Filippo Biondi 20:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Uh-

Filippo Biondi 20:16 The imaging?

Joe Rogan 20:17 This.

Filippo Biondi 20:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:17 This, this-

Filippo Biondi 20:18 Yes, it is-

Joe Rogan 20:19 ... multicolored image.

Filippo Biondi 20:20 Uh, uh, okay, here we are observing inside the Khafre pyramid, and inside the Khafre pyramid, uh, we are observing those structure there. The, the- those are inside the Khafre pyramid.

Joe Rogan 20:36 And the image above-

Filippo Biondi 20:38 Yes

Joe Rogan 20:38 ... that is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like?

Filippo Biondi 20:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:42 Now, how did you make that determination that that's what it looks like?

Filippo Biondi 20:45 Okay, um, uh, the, uh, 3D model has been, has been, um, retrieved, not, um, observing just only one result, but obs- observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve, so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay? So observing the results, we were able to, uh, determine the spirals and the, uh, structures that are located, starting from the base of the Khafre pyramid going down.

Joe Rogan 21:26 I've seen other images of the scans that are more-

Filippo Biondi 21:28 Yes

Joe Rogan 21:28 ... convincing than the one that's below, so let's see if we can find some of those. What are they- what else do you have here?

Filippo Biondi 21:37 Yes, these are all images that are related to the first, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 21:41 So this is just an article that's in the news.

Filippo Biondi 21:43 Okay.

Speaker 21:43 Yeah, I know, just, I mean, I even went here. I don't-

Joe Rogan 21:49 Um, what is... Like, where is a, a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there.

Speaker 21:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Okay.

Speaker 21:57 It's just kind of-

Joe Rogan 21:58 Okay, what is this?

Filippo Biondi 21:59 Okay, uh, here we are watching a wide area of our, of our tomographies look, and we see the structures that are going down.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yes. This is much clearer.

Filippo Biondi 22:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Okay. And s-

Filippo Biondi 22:11 And below the, below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge. Uh, approximately having a, uh, le- a w- a width, and a length, and a height of 80, 80 meters.

Joe Rogan 22:28 So 80-meter structures-

Filippo Biondi 22:30 Yes

Joe Rogan 22:30 ... that are below all of this?

Filippo Biondi 22:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:32 So almost the size of a football field below all this, that is some sort of a chamber?

Filippo Biondi 22:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:39 And, um, s- see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, th- how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery, whether they come in this-

Filippo Biondi 22:54 Yes

Joe Rogan 22:54 ... uniform pattern that it's-

Filippo Biondi 22:56 Uh, uh, I, I have, um, two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.

Joe Rogan 23:04 Okay, let's see if we can find those slides.

Filippo Biondi 23:06 Yes.

Speaker 23:06 Do you know which, do you know which slide, maybe?

Filippo Biondi 23:08 If you go down, please. Yeah, uh, wait, wait a minute. Okay. Okay, here... Okay, here we can observe a regular pattern, so not, uh, not coils. And we, and we go, we go down, please. Okay, regular pattern, and, uh, the coils are beginning to be seen there-

Joe Rogan 23:30 Mm-hmm

Filippo Biondi 23:31 ... on the third image. Here, regular pattern. Go down, please. And here, this is, in my personal opinion, uh, the fourth image, uh, from the, uh, left to the right, the fifth image. One, two, three, four.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 23:49 The fourth image, I'm sorry, where you have a core at the, at the center of, uh, the h- the, the coil or at, at the, at the center of the, um, the structure, and then we have, uh, a, something that spirals down.

Joe Rogan 24:09 So has anybody speculated about, about what this could possibly be, like, what these coils are?

Filippo Biondi 24:15 ... Yes, uh, I spoke with, uh, uh, two independent, with, let's say, with some independent researchers, and, uh, uh, especially with, uh, Christopher Dunn. And, uh, um, and also, uh, I spoke also with Jeffrey, that, uh, uh, is, uh, considering also the Giza power plant like a chemical reactor or something like that. So we have, on one side, uh, uh, uh, scientists that say, "Okay, it can be, uh, something related to electricity," or, or we have something related to chemical, to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can't say anything, I can't say anything, because I just measured what there is there. So it is not my, how you say, my, my job to do this. My job is, "Okay, here we have the measurements, and now we have to see what there is inside." In my, in my personal opinion, this is the right, um, time to say, "Okay, let's go build-- Let's go there and see what there is."

Joe Rogan 25:33 Let's start digging.

Filippo Biondi 25:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:35 Yeah. Um, pull up some more images, please, Jeremy. Um, so-

Filippo Biondi 25:38 Yes, this is very important. If you want, I can, I can tell you-

Joe Rogan 25:41 Yes, please

Filippo Biondi 25:42 ... about this. Okay, uh, because it is, uh, uh, the, a very important, um, project, research project that, uh, I am working now, and it is something that if could be possible, we can go there, and, uh, without digging anything, we can go below. Why? Because, uh, belonging between the Sphinx and the Khafre pyramid, there are some shafts, and there, there are the photos of the shafts, where we can go in situ, and we can, uh, physically go there and see, and, uh, watch those shafts. Currently, the shafts are blocked by debris, and there is also rubbish inside. So we, uh, I performed, I performed a lot of scans at, at those shafts. And you see, Joe, the sha- the, the shafts goes down, down, down, down, and they reach chambers that are below.

Joe Rogan 26:50 And that is the doc- Doppler tomography readings?

Filippo Biondi 26:53 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 26:53 So these shafts go down-- How far do they go down?

Filippo Biondi 26:56 Yes, they go down at approximately 600 meters.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Six hundred meters?

Filippo Biondi 27:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 27:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:03 So 600 meters down-

Filippo Biondi 27:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 27:05 ... and then they reach a chamber?

Filippo Biondi 27:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:07 What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? Like, what is-

Filippo Biondi 27:12 Okay

Joe Rogan 27:12 ... what do, what do current archaeologists, what does academia, what do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second.

Filippo Biondi 27:18 Yes. Yes, this is the complete, uh, 3D model that me and Corrado did. And, uh, so to, uh, observe all the structures that we have find, that we found, um, evaluating, uh, the tomographies that we have done on the Giza Plateau.

Joe Rogan 27:39 So it's not just under the Great Pyramid, it's under all three pyramids.

Filippo Biondi 27:44 And also the Sphinx.

Joe Rogan 27:45 And also the Sphinx.

Filippo Biondi 27:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:46 And they all seem to go-- Do they go down to a uniform depth?

Filippo Biondi 27:51 Uh, uh, we found at the moment, the same depth, yes.

Joe Rogan 27:57 And they all have chambers at the bottom?

Filippo Biondi 28:00 Yes, absolutely. Yes, and that's the, the, the, in my personal opinion, my n- the, the next thing that, uh, that we are dealing. At the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are, um, huge, uh, chambers.

Joe Rogan 28:18 How huge?

Filippo Biondi 28:19 Uh, as I told you before, 80 meters times 80 meters, and times 80 meters of height.

Joe Rogan 28:26 And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids-

Filippo Biondi 28:28 Yes

Joe Rogan 28:28 ... it's the same dimensions?

Filippo Biondi 28:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:30 Wow! When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning.

Filippo Biondi 28:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Because it just, it just makes you think like, "What is this?" I mean, I can understand the skepticism, and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have, because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This make, makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. 'Cause if this is true, like I said, this, this rewrites history, because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us.

Filippo Biondi 29:16 Yes, because, uh, they were able to, to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the Earth, below.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like, one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this.

Filippo Biondi 29:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:35 It's, uh, the recreation of the vase-

Filippo Biondi 29:37 Yeah

Joe Rogan 29:37 ... of one of the many vases that they have, that is accurate in its, the, the, the way it was made-

Filippo Biondi 29:46 Yeah

Joe Rogan 29:47 ... down to, uh, God, what was the number? A thousandth of a human hair or something crazy like that? Like, much less than a human hair, in the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved out of this incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They, you know, they supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it. No one knows how they did it, and it has handles on it, so it couldn't even been turned on a lathe.

Filippo Biondi 30:16 ... Yes, and also if, uh, we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The, the chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions, uh, and the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of the universe.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Right. They're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of, like, very strange calculations that they were able to make, like pathways where the sun during the solar-

Filippo Biondi 30:53 Yes

Joe Rogan 30:53 ... equinox passes right through. It's a fascinating place.

Filippo Biondi 30:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:58 But when you ha- started acquiring this data, and you started accumulating it, and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you when you're, when you're realizing, "Oh, this is real"?

Filippo Biondi 31:13 Yes. It was something that, uh, was very, um, um, um, very nice for me because [laughing] ... Because, uh, w- when we dis- uh, the, the thing was, c- um, I, um, was saying always to Corrado, "Corrado, shall we disclose this or not?" "Mm, I think for, for now not. For now not." But then the results were always the same, so we decided to, to disclose these, uh, these results.

Joe Rogan 31:45 So how long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it?

Filippo Biondi 31:48 Uh, one year.

Joe Rogan 31:49 One year?

Filippo Biondi 31:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:49 So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like, "I have the biggest-

Filippo Biondi 31:53 Yes

Joe Rogan 31:53 ... secret on Earth."

Filippo Biondi 31:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:56 How weird was that? [laughing]

Filippo Biondi 31:57 [laughing] Only two persons knew this. [laughing]

Joe Rogan 32:02 That's crazy!

Filippo Biondi 32:03 [laughing]

Joe Rogan 32:04 That's crazy. Two people-

Filippo Biondi 32:06 Yeah

Joe Rogan 32:06 ... having one of the biggest secrets on Earth.

Filippo Biondi 32:09 [laughing]

Joe Rogan 32:10 That's backed by data.

Filippo Biondi 32:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:11 I mean, it's not, it's not even like, you know, someone told you something. Like, you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm-shifting structures.

Filippo Biondi 32:25 Yeah, and uh, I, I tell you, Joe, I, I would like to go there and see, uh, uh, what there is in person-

Joe Rogan 32:35 Yes

Filippo Biondi 32:36 ... because it's, it's now time, I think.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area, or are they fascinated by it?

Filippo Biondi 32:45 Uh, I tell you, Joe, I didn't fi- find s- a lot of resistance. But there is- I found a lot of resistance in the internet, yes.

Joe Rogan 32:55 Of course.

Filippo Biondi 32:55 A lot of debunking, a lot of people that-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Of course

Filippo Biondi 32:57 ... "No, it's not true. It's not true." Uh, a, a lot of people that, uh, continues, contin- uh, were continuing to say, "No, radar can't penetrate the Earth for one kilometer, for kilometer." And they didn't know, or they m- they, they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything. Because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the Earth, and with, with, with that information, we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that, uh, I invented, but it works. Because we have benchmarks that, uh, demonstrates the effectiveness of the method, and it's, this is 100%.

Joe Rogan 33:37 And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff-

Filippo Biondi 33:43 Sure thing

Joe Rogan 33:44 ... right?

Filippo Biondi 33:44 Yes. Now, Joe, I am under NDA, so, uh, I, uh, we just, uh... I think I, I can say something about the second patent, because just yesterday, we filed the patent in USA.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Nice.

Filippo Biondi 33:56 Yes. [laughing]

Joe Rogan 33:57 Wow. Um, have any academics reached out to you in support that are f- interested in this and would like to explore this further?

Filippo Biondi 34:05 Yes, yes. Eh, uh, I, I tell you this, there are, uh, companies, uh, related to mining and, uh, uh, crude oil extraction, and then also water. Uh, Joe, uh, today we are living a particular time because water is very important. Uh, we are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So for me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan, uh, the Earth and, uh, uh, to fetch, to, to find, to try and find other, uh, let's say, uh, opportunity to ext- extract not salty water-

Joe Rogan 34:48 Hmm

Filippo Biondi 34:48 ... because it's, it's very important.

Joe Rogan 34:51 So you'll be using this technology for that as well?

Filippo Biondi 34:53 We, uh, for now not, but I'm thinking to do it.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Well, it makes sense. I mean, if it can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well.

Filippo Biondi 35:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:00 And that would be, uh, if and it's- and then also, if it's accurate-

Filippo Biondi 35:03 Yeah

Joe Rogan 35:03 ... that'll also help garner support-

Filippo Biondi 35:05 Yes

Joe Rogan 35:05 ... for this, this exploration of whatever is under there.

Filippo Biondi 35:09 Yeah. And, uh, so, uh, we, we are receiving a lot of, uh, uh, calls, uh, from, uh, companies, uh, that want to work with me, and so let's see what, uh, what we can do.

Joe Rogan 35:22 And so this is all companies that have reached out after you released the results underneath the pyramids?

Filippo Biondi 35:28 Uh, the most of them are calling me recently.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Right, so-

Filippo Biondi 35:33 Yes

Joe Rogan 35:33 ... they've heard about it.

Filippo Biondi 35:34 Relatively recently, yes.

Joe Rogan 35:35 Well, that's capitalism, right? They, they say, "Oh, we can make money off of this."

Filippo Biondi 35:38 Uh, yes.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah. [laughing]

Filippo Biondi 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Well, that's good. That gets people-

Filippo Biondi 35:41 Yes [laughing]

Joe Rogan 35:41 ... interested. It gets people involved in this.

Filippo Biondi 35:43 And so we have also a philanthropic, philanthropic project. We are opening a, um, a foundation in Malta. Uh, we, we are realizing it in, uh, two weeks, and, uh, we, we will have a foundation in Malta. And with the, with that foundation, we can operate also philanthropically for the, the Giza Plateau and other, uh, and other, uh, ancient megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Really?

Filippo Biondi 36:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:15 What is next?

Filippo Biondi 36:17 ... uh, maybe we c- we can see, uh, Pumapunku or other sites-

Joe Rogan 36:21 Hmm!

Filippo Biondi 36:22 -that, mm-

Joe Rogan 36:22 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 36:23 That we can do.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Yeah. Gobekli Tepe, perhaps?

Filippo Biondi 36:25 Gobekli Tepe, yes.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 36:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath, uh, the, the ones that were described by Herodotus, that Ben van Kerkwijk has been talking about on his UnchartedX channel, where there is, uh, a, a huge atrium with a forty-meter metallic object that's the shape of a Tic Tac in there?

Filippo Biondi 36:44 They... Yes, they asked me to do it, uh-

Joe Rogan 36:46 Yeah

Filippo Biondi 36:46 ... and, uh, we will do it. We will do it.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Yeah, you have to do that.

Filippo Biondi 36:50 Yes. I, I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but, uh, requires a lot of calculations, so, uh, it is time-consuming.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Oh, I can imagine.

Filippo Biondi 37:00 So at the moment, uh, at the moment, uh, eh, we have some computers that are dedicated on Giza and other project that we are doing. And in the future, maybe we will have, uh, other, um, other, uh, machines, uh, that, uh, can work to, to do other things. But we will do it. We, we need time, but we will do it.

Joe Rogan 37:22 Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate, or have any of the criticisms, any of the people that are trying to debunk it, have- has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there, is there any validity to any of the criticisms?

Filippo Biondi 37:37 Uh, eh, radar is only precise. The nice thing that has radar is the precision. From- and especially from space, because space, it is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, something... The, the platform is very stable, so when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolutely precise- with absolute precision, so-

Joe Rogan 38:03 And it's recreated over and over again in these two hundred-plus scans that you've done-

Filippo Biondi 38:08 Yes, yes

Joe Rogan 38:08 ... with various different satellites, correct?

Filippo Biondi 38:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Not just one, so that one could have errors.

Filippo Biondi 38:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:13 So you're convinced?

Filippo Biondi 38:14 I am convinced, 100% because-

Joe Rogan 38:16 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 38:17 I did the, I invented the method. Yes, I know. But, uh, I tell you that, uh, I, I am happy if somebody can replicate things, so if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I am happy.

Joe Rogan 38:34 Well, you got f- there first-

Filippo Biondi 38:35 Yeah

Joe Rogan 38:36 ... so-

Filippo Biondi 38:36 Yes

Joe Rogan 38:36 ... no matter what. [laughing] I mean, you will, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology. Because if you are-

Filippo Biondi 38:47 Thank you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 38:48 [scoffs] You're welcome, but, I mean, it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, and we're just recently discovering this in the twenty-first century, I mean, that's absolutely mind-bending.

Filippo Biondi 39:00 Uh, thank you for this. Uh, yes, I, I am happy for, uh, [chuckles] for being in this, uh, but, uh, not als- not only me, other people helped me to, to do my work. Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Oh, for sure. Of course, a lot of people.

Filippo Biondi 39:15 And in principle, my family.

Joe Rogan 39:17 Yeah. Um, this, these structures and this, this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of-

Filippo Biondi 39:31 Yes

Joe Rogan 39:31 ... Egypt, I mean, per- there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization-

Filippo Biondi 39:39 Yes

Joe Rogan 39:39 ... that is in the areas that are now sand. You could probably do that same sort of research there as well.

Filippo Biondi 39:44 Yes. Yes, I, I agree with this, uh, and, uh, we will do it. Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Wow! What is life like for you now, having this exposed, and now, you know, having this on the internet and all of the speculation and all this excitement? What has that been like for you?

Filippo Biondi 40:00 Yes, um, I am not very used, uh, on all this exposure in, on the internet. Uh, uh, it is something that I have to, uh, get used of this, yes. Um, uh, my, my life is simple, uh, Joe. Uh, [chuckles] I, I live in Italy, and, uh... But, uh, um, now, uh, I repeat this, uh, it is time to go ahead and go on the, uh, Giza Plateau and, uh, in person, I, I wish to see if the effective structure, how they are, and the purpose of the, of all the plateau, what it is.

Joe Rogan 40:48 And is there plans to do that in person, to do some sort of a, a excavation?

Filippo Biondi 40:54 Yes. Um, I, uh, wr- uh, wrote a project proposal, which is a research and also not research, a proposal. And, uh, is now, um... We, we are, uh, our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want, I can explain you this, uh, proposal.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Please.

Filippo Biondi 41:21 Um, we are involving University of Ferrara, um, a principal scientist, Professor Savaccaro, uh, a Italian professor in, uh... She's a geologist. Um, and other, uh, and other governmental, Italian governmental, uh, inst- institutions that are very clever to do scans, in situ scans. So we are not using my, my technique. We use the state-of-the-art technique that it is re- uh, recognized by science today. And, um, uh, our, uh, intention is to, uh, concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I sh- that I showed you, that we, we, we have seen, because, uh, we are co- we are not ninety, ninety-nine percent convinced that, or sure, that those, those are natural entrance into the-... the, uh, the structures that are below, that are-

Joe Rogan 42:28 Mm

Filippo Biondi 42:28 ... located below. Because we have the vertical structures, and you saw on the to- on the tomographies, you have also horizontal connections.

Joe Rogan 42:38 So there's corridors?

Filippo Biondi 42:39 Yes, you have ver-

Joe Rogan 42:40 And how large are these corridors?

Filippo Biondi 42:42 Uh, about, uh... They, they are tall, about three meters tall.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Okay.

Filippo Biondi 42:48 Corridors.

Joe Rogan 42:48 So about nine feet tall?

Filippo Biondi 42:50 Yes, yes. That ca- that will, uh, w- uh, using these corridors, you, uh, will arrive directly inside the, the, the coils that we are, that we are, uh, uh, um, visualizing, uh, that we, uh, vi- visualize, uh, before.

Joe Rogan 43:09 So there's passages and shafts-

Filippo Biondi 43:12 Yes

Joe Rogan 43:12 ... and these, uh, enormous ways that they can go back and forth-

Filippo Biondi 43:17 Yes

Joe Rogan 43:17 ... in between these various structures.

Filippo Biondi 43:19 The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do, uh, cleaning, because now, uh, they are, um-

Joe Rogan 43:27 Sand-

Filippo Biondi 43:28 Yeah

Joe Rogan 43:28 ... debris.

Filippo Biondi 43:28 There's debris. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Yeah. And, um, w- is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff?

Filippo Biondi 43:38 Yes. It depends when we submit the project. The project is ready. Uh, I know, uh, people that, uh, are living in, uh, in um, uh, in Egypt, that when we are ready, we can submit the project proposal. Then we are, we are at, uh, when the government will, if, if approve the project, we can start.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Now, I would imagine that something like this, something of this scale, would require, uh, enormous funding.

Filippo Biondi 44:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:06 And how do you, uh, how do you hope to acquire that?

Filippo Biondi 44:10 We [chuckles] we can make, um, we can say, uh, people that this, this work is not for me, but it's for humans. And so people, uh, we, we, we ask people to help us in, uh, getting money to perform the work.

Joe Rogan 44:31 Right.

Filippo Biondi 44:32 We have to ask people.

Joe Rogan 44:33 Have you reached out to any, like, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk-type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this?

Filippo Biondi 44:40 I don't know them, Joe.

Joe Rogan 44:41 You don't know them?

Filippo Biondi 44:42 No. But maybe, uh-

Joe Rogan 44:44 It's a big ask.

Filippo Biondi 44:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 44:46 It's a big ask.

Filippo Biondi 44:47 It's a-

Joe Rogan 44:47 You know, asking- [chuckles]

Filippo Biondi 44:48 It's a big ask, yes.

Joe Rogan 44:49 We need a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to, to do this?

Filippo Biondi 44:55 To do-- We, we, we have to do... We did, we did an estimation of, uh, the, the, m- an estimation, uh, b- about, I don't know, for maybe, maybe, uh, belonging for 20 millions or, or more.

Joe Rogan 45:09 $20 million.

Filippo Biondi 45:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:10 All right.

Filippo Biondi 45:11 $20 million.

Joe Rogan 45:11 And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath it?

Filippo Biondi 45:14 Yes, and, uh, wo- uh, because why so much money? Because we are-- our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will- we want to use drones, robots-

Joe Rogan 45:28 Right

Filippo Biondi 45:29 ... to, to make something automatically, and so go down by using machines, not humans.

Joe Rogan 45:35 Yeah, that makes sense.

Filippo Biondi 45:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:36 Yeah, and that way, you can get accurate, real-time video-

Filippo Biondi 45:40 Yes

Joe Rogan 45:40 ... and yeah.

Filippo Biondi 45:40 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 45:41 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 45:41 With cameras and, uh, uh... It, it will be something, I, I am thinking about this. The most, maybe it is one of the most ancient megalithic structure that we are dealing now, can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today.

Joe Rogan 46:00 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 46:00 And so we can recover it, modern and ancient together.

Joe Rogan 46:04 So you've been giving this presentation now-

Filippo Biondi 46:06 Yes

Joe Rogan 46:07 ... and you've been going around. What has that been like? What has the reception of it been like?

Filippo Biondi 46:11 Yes, a, a moderate positive reception.

Joe Rogan 46:16 Moderate positive.

Filippo Biondi 46:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:18 So people that are like, "If this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more."

Filippo Biondi 46:23 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Right.

Filippo Biondi 46:24 Uh, I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out.

Joe Rogan 46:29 You're out?

Filippo Biondi 46:29 Yes. Uh, it is better than that University of Ferrara, that is, uh, one of the most important university in Italy, can stay there and, uh, manage all the work. It's better.

Joe Rogan 46:43 Right.

Filippo Biondi 46:43 And I am out.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Right. You showed them what's there.

Filippo Biondi 46:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:46 You showed them the technology.

Filippo Biondi 46:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:48 Now-

Filippo Biondi 46:48 Yes

Joe Rogan 46:49 ... good luck. [chuckles]

Filippo Biondi 46:50 Thank you. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 46:51 Thank you. Thank you and good luck.

Filippo Biondi 46:53 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 46:53 So tell me about this presentation. So how do you set this up? Y- I know you, you brought some of the slides of this presentation.

Filippo Biondi 46:58 Yes, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:59 Tell, tell me how you set this up.

Filippo Biondi 47:01 How you? Uh-

Joe Rogan 47:02 How you set it up. So how you explain it to these, when you have these, you know, semi-skeptical scientists that are sitting down there, and you're gonna tell them, "I'm about to rewrite human history."

Filippo Biondi 47:11 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 47:11 How do you set this up?

Filippo Biondi 47:13 [chuckles] Oh, they were, uh, they were listening me very well, and they asking me, uh, things, uh, uh, about how the... Uh, everyone, um, the first thing that they ask me is how it works, and that's good. And so I slowly explain, ex- explain them how it works and how I arrived to, to, to, to make this presentation, so to have our results and, uh, uh, and so, and so on. And they, they, they, m- someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical.

Joe Rogan 47:49 Which is what you want.

Filippo Biondi 47:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Yes.

Filippo Biondi 47:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:50 You want healthy debate about this kind of stuff.

Filippo Biondi 47:52 A healthy debate, yes.

Joe Rogan 47:53 'Cause it's the only way you find out what the truth is.

Filippo Biondi 47:56 Yes, only, only having a, you, uh, a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I, I don't want to polarize people-

Joe Rogan 48:06 Right

Filippo Biondi 48:07 ... for me. You know, it's not my, it's not my job, no.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Well, not only that, it's not-- you're just discovering something.

Filippo Biondi 48:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:13 This is something that's there, and for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy.

Filippo Biondi 48:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Like, if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it, and if you're wrong, okay, now we know it's not true. But if it is true-... it's a crime to not investigate this.

Filippo Biondi 48:32 To not investigate.

Joe Rogan 48:32 Yes.

Filippo Biondi 48:32 It's a crime to not investigate, yes. And I tell you, the, uh, the, uh, solution to- we, we don't, we don't have to dig holes, uh, uh, ruin the what is now preserved. No, we, we have to only clean. Enough. We have to only clean, and we have to use what there is made. It's for us because-

Joe Rogan 48:58 These shafts

Filippo Biondi 48:58 ... those shafts-

Joe Rogan 48:59 Yeah

Filippo Biondi 48:59 ... they are for us. They are calling us. Where our, um, our rights are to clean them and see what there is, and go, go down and explore them personally.

Joe Rogan 49:13 Well, it just seems like if these shafts exist at alone, and they are at that depth that you describe, and they are the dimensions you describe, it really does lend credence to what you're saying.

Filippo Biondi 49:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Because it, it seems like there's a purpose for those things, and if they do go down to the area where all these structures are-

Filippo Biondi 49:32 Yes

Joe Rogan 49:32 ... it seems like there's something there.

Filippo Biondi 49:33 In my personal opinion, they were built purposely, and if you see the, the photos-

Joe Rogan 49:38 They're access points, probably.

Filippo Biondi 49:39 Yes, they are access points. Uh, they are-- They were made probably to, um... Uh, you know, Joe, uh, when you go deeper, uh, below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain, uh, uh, ratio, uh, of, uh, um, uh, wh- where the temperature rises, uh, proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts, um, are made purposely to take, the, the, their, uh, their function is to transport air, light, and so cool what there is inside.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Mm. Well, that makes sense.

Filippo Biondi 50:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:18 And also access. Um, show me some other, other slides and other things that are in your presentation-

Filippo Biondi 50:24 Yes

Joe Rogan 50:24 ... so we can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at.

Speaker 50:30 Where should I go? [clears throat]

Joe Rogan 50:32 Okay.

Speaker 50:32 I can just move this.

Filippo Biondi 50:33 Yes. This is, uh, the Zed. This is, uh... Ah, Mario Binkerle. Mario Binkerle was, um, a researcher, uh, that he died, uh, the, the, on 2011, uh, '12. And, uh, he, uh, was studying the Zed, which is the multilayer, uh, monument. Let's call it a monument, but it's not a monument because it, it has a certain and very precise function that is, uh, inside the pyramid. This is the Khufu pyramid.

Joe Rogan 51:05 And this is the, uh, outlined image in the lower left-hand corner.

Filippo Biondi 51:10 Yeah, that's the tomography-

Joe Rogan 51:11 Yes

Filippo Biondi 51:11 ... that we, that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Right.

Filippo Biondi 51:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:14 It looks exactly like what-

Filippo Biondi 51:15 Exactly

Joe Rogan 51:15 ... it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What is the f- what do you think the function of that thing is?

Filippo Biondi 51:20 Yes. Uh, the function is, uh, um, is, is this: uh, uh, it is, uh, you, you see on the top of the structure, there is something like a-

Joe Rogan 51:31 Like a cap.

Filippo Biondi 51:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 51:32 Like a cap. Uh, that cap, uh, is, has a, a precise function, to at- attract, attract the inf- the, the vibration. Okay? It's an antenna in the, in the vibration domain. Okay?

Joe Rogan 51:54 Antenna in the vibration-

Filippo Biondi 51:56 An antenna

Joe Rogan 51:56 ... domain.

Filippo Biondi 51:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Okay.

Filippo Biondi 51:57 At- attract the, the energy in terms of, uh, mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Okay, uh, here I did a simulation. Uh, now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but, uh, I, I, um, uh, reproduced the function of the Zed on the computer. Okay?

Joe Rogan 52:27 Okay.

Filippo Biondi 52:28 And look, on the right side, we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other, to each layer. Look.

Joe Rogan 52:38 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 52:38 And you can see that each layer, h- look how strange it is. Each layer, on the top of each layer, it is scattered. Look-

Joe Rogan 52:49 Okay

Filippo Biondi 52:49 ... on the top of the each layer, and the bottom is very flat. It's flat.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 52:54 So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a, it is a low-pass filter, um, m- uh, made by stones. [chuckles] Very crazy, this. That's a low-pass filter.

Joe Rogan 53:07 A low-pass filter.

Filippo Biondi 53:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:08 And what exactly is a low-pass filter?

Filippo Biondi 53:10 Yes, a low-pass filter is a filter that allow us, that, that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies, so it is a stabilizer, frequency stabilizer, and low-pass, or a, a certain low value of frequency. Okay?

Joe Rogan 53:31 Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory-

Filippo Biondi 53:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 53:36 ... that there was something underneath the, the pyramid, that there was a, a chamber that was, they were using to generate vibration-

Filippo Biondi 53:46 Yes

Joe Rogan 53:46 ... and that that vibration would go through the entire structure.

Filippo Biondi 53:49 Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer, look, transmits directly inside the, the, the so-called, uh, sarcophagus. That's not a, a sarcophagus. There.

Joe Rogan 54:05 And so what do you think that sar- what they call a sarcophagus, this immense granite box?

Filippo Biondi 54:10 Yeah, I say, let, let's call it, yes, the gra- the granite box. Yes. And then inside the granite box, uh, uh, was done to contain a man, a body, and that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box, where the man was lying down.

Joe Rogan 54:29 So do you think there was actually a man inside that?

Filippo Biondi 54:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:31 So a person would lay-

Filippo Biondi 54:32 Yes

Joe Rogan 54:32 ... in that box?

Filippo Biondi 54:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:34 And what, what happened to them?

Filippo Biondi 54:36 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 54:37 Whoa!... So-

Filippo Biondi 54:41 I don't know. That's a simulation that I did, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:43 I understand

Filippo Biondi 54:43 ... it's precise.

Joe Rogan 54:44 So you don't think it's for a dead body, you think it's for a live body?

Filippo Biondi 54:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:48 And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever-

Filippo Biondi 54:55 Probably, yes.

Joe Rogan 54:59 What do you think it was? Like, if you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kind of frequencies in, in this resonating granite box?

Filippo Biondi 55:18 I can say something that is not scientific, uh, recognized.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Yeah, that's what I want.

Filippo Biondi 55:23 Yeah. [laughing] Uh, may- uh, maybe- [laughing]

Joe Rogan 55:29 Keep it up there, dude. [laughing] What do you think?

Filippo Biondi 55:33 Maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-the-body experience induced.

Joe Rogan 55:37 Oh, like a gateway. A gateway to the spirit world.

Filippo Biondi 55:46 Look, at on the top you have, uh, a, the antenna. The antenna is recepting all the vibrations that transmits the, all the signal below, directly inside the granite box. It's very ex- exciting.

Joe Rogan 56:02 And what do you think was generating these vibrations?

Filippo Biondi 56:06 Ah, yes. The natural, uh-- the nat- uh, the wind. The natural vibration, vibration of the Earth, and also some, uh, let's say, uh, flowing... The, the, the flowing of water. Also, the flowing of water-

Joe Rogan 56:21 So-

Filippo Biondi 56:21 Can generate vibration.

Joe Rogan 56:22 Flowing water. And then there was also shafts that were... This is part of Christopher Dunn's theory.

Filippo Biondi 56:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:28 These shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation.

Filippo Biondi 56:34 Can be.

Joe Rogan 56:35 Yeah, that's another possibility.

Filippo Biondi 56:36 Can be. Yes, another possibility.

Joe Rogan 56:37 He also had a, a, a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the, the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration.

Filippo Biondi 56:49 Uh, for this, uh, can be, yes. Can be-

Joe Rogan 56:52 So some-

Filippo Biondi 56:53 But we don't-

Joe Rogan 56:53 ... boom, boom, boom-

Filippo Biondi 56:54 Yes

Joe Rogan 56:54 ... through the entire structure.

Filippo Biondi 56:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:56 And this is creating this vibration.

Filippo Biondi 56:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:58 That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it-

Filippo Biondi 57:01 Yes

Joe Rogan 57:01 ... and then someone is laying in this sarcophagus-

Filippo Biondi 57:03 Exactly

Joe Rogan 57:03 ... tripping balls.

Filippo Biondi 57:04 Yes. It's that.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Whoa! That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out-of-body experience or psychedelic gateway experience?

57:23 I th- I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World. [laughing] I do, seriously.

57:28 Do you?

57:28 I had this-- I had that epiphany, like, two months ago.

57:30 Really?

57:30 It's like-

57:30 Okay.

57:31 I, I don't want to explain it, but yeah.

57:32 Please do.

57:33 Uh, I was look- looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at a, like, a Cedar Point, which is, like, a rollercoaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience-

57:46 Yeah

57:46 ... that is only, uh, in reference to-- I, I, you'll only understand it if you lived there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like: "What the fuck? They worship mice?"

57:57 [laughing]

57:57 "What the fuck are you talking about? This is insane."

57:59 That's true.

57:59 Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere.

58:00 [laughing] That's so true.

58:01 But you'd see that giant castle, and there's rides everywhere, and you'd, you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would've been like.

58:07 Right.

58:07 Or the teacups.

58:08 Right.

58:08 It's nonsense. It's fun for kids, but also would make them feel, uh, amazing.

58:15 Right.

58:15 But also adding what this vibration stuff does, and sound, and music, and all these other things, you could put them all together and be like, you could feel like a god.

58:22 Yeah.

58:23 If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, "What the..." Yeah, I don't know. I just, I just had that wild idea one day.

58:28 It's an interesting idea because if you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences, and what more novel experience than a two million three hundred thousand stone structure that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west, aligns-

Filippo Biondi 58:45 Yeah

Joe Rogan 58:45 ... to the stars of Orion's Belt.

Filippo Biondi 58:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:47 You lie inside a stone box, and the vibrations hit you, and you're in that box. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo!

Filippo Biondi 58:56 And naturally, you go out of the body.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Well, who, what it-- who knows what it does to the body and the mind? Because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard, and we love music and, and just vibration itself, and, and this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela-

Filippo Biondi 59:18 Yes

Joe Rogan 59:18 ... supposedly to k- knock out all Maduro's troops. What, what could this thing have been?

Filippo Biondi 59:26 Yes. Um, I am relatively sure that the, the principal actor of everything can be water, uh, vibrations, so sound, sound. Uh, but, uh, we, we are, uh, dealing now to the third, uh, a third thing, so the purpose, the exact purpose of, uh, this. Maybe it ca- uh, it can be also one, uh, m- more than one purposes, no, more than one, uh, scopus of the pyramids. Yeah, the pyramids, uh, intended to be... Now, we, uh, I am 100% convinced that, that the pyramids, uh, can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something, uh, con, uh, of something very, uh, huge, that is composed by things that are below the Earth, and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the Earth.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape?

Filippo Biondi 1:00:39 Uh, yes, uh, probably because they have to resonate with, uh, the universe.... in s- in, uh, in, uh, in some, uh, um, in they, they have to resonate with the, with the universe. You know, the, the universe, uh, uh, the universe, uh, uh, Joe, it is, uh, it is not complicated. It's simple. Because the universe, uh, is, uh, constituted by things, uh, the matter, the particles, the light, yes, but everything is, uh, uh, regulated by some constants. There are the constants. So the velocity, the speed of the light, C, three, uh, three times 10 to the eighth, uh, kilometers per second. Then you have, uh, so the velocity of the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that are, uh-- that arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to, uh, be well related to the place that we live, uh, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of re- uh, recasting the constants of the universe.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 And that's what you think the pyramids did?

Filippo Biondi 1:02:08 Personally, yes. Personally, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 How old do you think they are?

Filippo Biondi 1:02:14 Yes, so yes, on the... Sorry, the, the Italian, the start of it. [laughing] I start speaking Italian.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 No, it's okay. It's okay.

Filippo Biondi 1:02:22 [laughing] Eh, the, the thing that, uh, uh, we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the, uh, typical, uh, history books. So to see something that-- uh, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time, uh, into the Zep Tepi.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 1:02:53 So that's thir- more than ten thirty-six, uh, thousands years ago, uh, something happened to the Earth. So, uh, the Zep Tepi, uh, be- began, and in a time belonging, the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramid, the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 So, like, what-- I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting.

Filippo Biondi 1:03:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Um, so do you have an id- do you, do you have an estimation? Like, what, what is your personal belief?

Filippo Biondi 1:03:26 Yes. Uh, we can't say exactly the year.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 So Zep Tepi, let's, let's explain to people what that is, since we're, uh, um, I sometimes forget. Zep Tepi is the thing that I d- described to Zahi Hawass-

Filippo Biondi 1:03:41 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 ... and he dismissed it. "What is this? I've never heard of this." [clears throat] It's an ancient kings list.

Filippo Biondi 1:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 And it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years.

Filippo Biondi 1:03:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 And, um, it's very inconvenient for modern academics, and so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Khufu and Khafre, then they allow those hieroglyphs.

Filippo Biondi 1:04:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology.

Filippo Biondi 1:04:16 Yes, it's true. Uh, but it is a matter of fact, uh, the Zep Tepi. We have, uh, uh, um, we have also, uh, other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Yes.

Filippo Biondi 1:04:30 So, uh, we, we have to deal with that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Well, Gobekli Tepe was a big problem.

Filippo Biondi 1:04:33 Gobekli Tepe is a big problem also.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 More than 11,000 years old-

Filippo Biondi 1:04:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 ... for sure.

Filippo Biondi 1:04:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:04:39 And as we saw, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Here it is. This is something that, um, [clears throat] um, I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is, "Stella is a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid complex at Giza, and the text describes a Pharaoh Khufu, who ruled from 2589 to 2566 BC, visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The stella refers to Isis as the Mistress of the Pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza Plateau were already considered sacred before Khufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the stella itself to the 26th dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Khufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it portrays the pharaoh as a restorer rather than the original builder. And whether the inscription provides older tradition or reflects later religious interpretation remains debated." But if this is accurate, this describes Khufu as restoring the pyramids.

Filippo Biondi 1:05:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Now, this exists throughout history. Um, the temple of Tenochtitlan, uh, the, where the Aztecs had, when, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born.

Filippo Biondi 1:05:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 And they found it! Like, people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.

Filippo Biondi 1:06:03 No.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 They-- There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs, or what we call the Aztecs.

Filippo Biondi 1:06:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 And they built-- So there's a long-standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this stella is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I, I sent this to Graham, and his reaction was pretty interesting.

Filippo Biondi 1:06:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 What he said to me was that, um, "There's a strong suggestion that the Khufu Pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid's eastern flank, and all that looked like damaging e- evidence against the orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt, it also challenged the consensus view that the Giza Pyramids had been built as tombs."... and only as tombs. Uh, however, sig- uh, uh, rather than investigating the statements, uh, from the stela, the Egyptologists, chur- uh, they chose to devalue them in his-

Filippo Biondi 1:07:07 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 ... in his quotes. They chose to say, "Ah, that's just inconvenient." But if it's, if they are describing it that way, that, it seems like this is a long-standing tradition of people finding things that exist. There's, uh, uh, clearly, Eg- ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt, is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff, but it seems like they're saying the restorer.

Filippo Biondi 1:07:36 Yes. Yes. I, I agree with you, Joe. Um, I tell you, uh, there are, um, some facts that we have to observe. Because I am used to observe, uh, fa- uh, before I, I have, I s- I say something, I have to observe. So I'm not, um, how you say, uh, an expert of pyramids, because I am an engineer. I work on satellites. I am a space engineer. I'm, I'm not, uh, a, an Egyptologist, uh, like that, but, but I can observe. In, uh, inside the pyramids, they found a lot of salt that were, were, uh, attached on the walls. So they find salt. Why there is-- why there was salt there, first? Second, the shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris? Why they are tapped? Huh? So if the Great Flood is a, an historical, uh, parameter, recognized, so let's say, uh, 11 hun- 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let's say something like that, I don't remember precisely. The Zep Tepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood, we can locate the pyramids and the Sphinx.

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 Wow! So the Great Flood, we're looking at 11,000-plus years ago. Zep Tepi, you're looking at 30,000-

Filippo Biondi 1:09:29 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 ... plus years ago.

Filippo Biondi 1:09:31 Yes. We can say I'm an engineer. I am in the... I, I, [chuckles] I put myself in the center-

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 Yeah

Filippo Biondi 1:09:37 ... between 30, [chuckles] 36,000 and 11,000.

Joe Rogan 1:09:41 See if you can find some images of salt in the, in the Great Pyramids, because it, it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive-

Filippo Biondi 1:09:54 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 ... flooding-

Filippo Biondi 1:09:55 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:09:55 ... which is depicted in every single ancient religion-

Filippo Biondi 1:09:59 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 ... from Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it. I mean, it's like a- almost all cultures have a story. Obviously, Noah and the Ark and the flood in the Bible, but this salt.

Filippo Biondi 1:10:11 Uh, uh, Joe, uh, two months ago, I went for the first time to visit the pyramids, and I found salt on the wall.

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 Really?

Filippo Biondi 1:10:19 There, there is still salt.

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 And you think that salt is probably because-

Filippo Biondi 1:10:24 I taste it. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:10:25 Really?

Filippo Biondi 1:10:25 ... of water, of, uh, the sea.

Joe Rogan 1:10:27 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 1:10:28 Yes. I forgot to, to, to, to bring it to you.

Joe Rogan 1:10:32 Not just that-

Filippo Biondi 1:10:33 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 ... but there's so much salt, that there's still salt there-

Filippo Biondi 1:10:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 ... 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded?

Filippo Biondi 1:10:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded-

Filippo Biondi 1:10:47 And tapped

Joe Rogan 1:10:47 ... and filled with debris?

Filippo Biondi 1:10:48 After, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 Right. Topped off with debris, 'cause everything just flooded into there, and then when the sea receded-

Filippo Biondi 1:10:54 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 ... you're, so many years later, you're left with salt everywhere.

Filippo Biondi 1:10:58 Yeah. And that's why, uh, the reason that, uh, uh, I don't want that people goes to walk inside the shaft, because are dangerous. Can collapse the, the, um, the, the debris-

Joe Rogan 1:11:10 Mm-hmm

Filippo Biondi 1:11:10 ... can collapse because you can have bubble of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, air, and so it's dangerous.

Joe Rogan 1:11:16 Right. Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:11:16 Robots has to go.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 Right. Well, it makes more sense.

Filippo Biondi 1:11:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 Robots are safer, and it's also like you-

Filippo Biondi 1:11:22 So everything is connected: the Great Flood, the Zep Tepi, and the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 Wow! If that turns out to be-

Filippo Biondi 1:11:28 And I am convinced with that.

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Yeah?

Filippo Biondi 1:11:30 Of course. I, I am convinced that maybe 18, that I, I go in the center, 18, 18,000 or something like that, 20, between 18,000 and 20,000.

Joe Rogan 1:11:41 Well, what's crazy is, I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years.

Filippo Biondi 1:11:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 Which is at least 14,000 years.

Filippo Biondi 1:11:49 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000-plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when Robert Schoch from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the-

Filippo Biondi 1:12:02 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 ... the, the pyramid, and then, excuse me, the, um-

Filippo Biondi 1:12:04 The Sphinx

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 ... Temple of the Sphinx.

Filippo Biondi 1:12:05 Ah, the Sphinx, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:12:06 Yeah, and the water erosion, he's like, "This is-

Filippo Biondi 1:12:08 It's vertical.

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 Yes.

Filippo Biondi 1:12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 It's vertical fissures that come-

Filippo Biondi 1:12:11 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 ... from thousands of years of rainfall, and the last time there was, like, significant rainfall in the Nile Valley like that was 9,000 years ago.

Filippo Biondi 1:12:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:18 So you're dealing with thousands of years before that, of rain, to achieve that kind of erosion.

Filippo Biondi 1:12:24 Yes. It is necessary, uh, now, when, uh, uh... That's why this research and this activity that hope we will do, it is very important.

Joe Rogan 1:12:34 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:12:35 Because this, it is able to rewrite everything.

Joe Rogan 1:12:39 It, I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts, in those corridors, something that you could date.

Filippo Biondi 1:12:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, "What?" [chuckles] ... you know, I mean, this is, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom-

Filippo Biondi 1:13:10 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 ... than conventional, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools.

Filippo Biondi 1:13:15 Yes, I agree. Um, I agree because, uh, uh, as I told you before, this is time, this is the time to, to see effective what, uh, we, which is the exact date of, uh, construction, who made them, and how they made them.

Joe Rogan 1:13:33 But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them.

Filippo Biondi 1:13:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:41 We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing, if you're dealing with something that's 20,000-plus years old, 15,000 years old, w- pfft, what's gonna be left? All the metal's gone. Everything is eroded. The Earth has reclaimed most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy.

Filippo Biondi 1:14:00 Yeah, and, uh, if we see, uh, the, the rooms, uh, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say, the, the Cheops pyramid, which I, I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that com- that is composing the Grand Gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:14:27 Did you have, uh, any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this, or?

Filippo Biondi 1:14:34 Joe, I remember when I was young, very young, I used to, uh, I had, um, uh, it, uh, how you say? I had, um, a sm- a personal computer, very old one, and I was always playing, al- always on, um, on something that, uh, um, uh... And that was the pyramids. They, they were all the, the pyramids. And that, in that, uh, meantime, I, I realized that, that, uh, I liked the pyramids, and so I, I was ve- very young.

Joe Rogan 1:15:10 So w- the personal computer, you were just researching the pyramids, is that what it was?

Filippo Biondi 1:15:13 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:15:14 Like, what do you think? Just looking at pictures and images and-

Filippo Biondi 1:15:17 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:15:17 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:15:17 On the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 1:15:18 So you always were fascinated by it, but did you have an understanding or even, uh, any questions about the timeline of civilization-

Filippo Biondi 1:15:25 No, never

Joe Rogan 1:15:25 ... before this?

Filippo Biondi 1:15:25 No, never.

Joe Rogan 1:15:26 So it only happened within the last few years?

Filippo Biondi 1:15:28 Yes, yes. Uh, I began, uh, I began, uh, working, uh, so, uh, being interested on pyramids, uh, starting from 2018.

Joe Rogan 1:15:40 So it was right after you started-

Filippo Biondi 1:15:42 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:15:43 ... doing this research?

Filippo Biondi 1:15:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:15:44 And you started saying, "Okay, what is this?" Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:15:47 And so when you start to, to research on something that, that is, uh, the, our history, our past, our origins, because we, our origins are there, so we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there. Because it is important that, uh, we, c- uh, it is important to research our origin, because in this meantime, humanity does not know... W- we don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of, of, uh, who we are, and the most of the answers can be found in the, um, studying the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 1:16:33 Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created.

Filippo Biondi 1:16:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:16:39 And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting.

Filippo Biondi 1:16:47 Yeah. And, uh, it is, for me, a very... It, it is something that I have it always in my mind, only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they tr-

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 Right

Filippo Biondi 1:16:59 ... have transported the stones, and how, I don't know how, how, how everything. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:17:03 It's all how, how, how.

Filippo Biondi 1:17:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:05 Like, what gave them the idea? Like, were there any previous pyramids? 'Cause it, it's weird because the older y- you go, the more complex the structures are.

Filippo Biondi 1:17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:14 And the newer ones-

Filippo Biondi 1:17:15 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:17:15 ... are kinda shitty.

Filippo Biondi 1:17:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:17 Yeah. So okay, so we went from that. We showed this antenna, and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting?

Filippo Biondi 1:17:30 Uh, I, um, I show it principally all the structures that are, uh, that are, uh, under the, the Khafre pyramid and also under each pyramids. And, uh, also, I describe it, the, uh, method, uh, uh, on how going below without drilling anything. And so I, uh, showed them, I showed them that there are, the entrances are there on our eyes. Everyone can see those, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:18:04 Shafts

Filippo Biondi 1:18:04 ... those shafts. And so why we, we, we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without, uh, uh, any kind of work of renewal maintenance?

Joe Rogan 1:18:16 Maintenance, yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:18 I don't know why.

Joe Rogan 1:18:19 Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:22 Uh, maybe, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18:23 It seem-

Filippo Biondi 1:18:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18:24 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:24 And also, it seems like Egypt, uh, uh, an entire economy is based on tourism.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:30 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18:31 An immense amount of tourism because it's so fantastic.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18:33 There's pe- people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:36 I, I also, I also, uh, I also find, uh, a, a method to, uh, combine, uh, so not stopping the, um, the tourism, you know? So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area.

Joe Rogan 1:18:51 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 1:18:52 Inside the area, we work, and outside the area, safety, all the people can visit the pyramid, the Giza Plateau. So it is important-

Joe Rogan 1:18:58 And not only that, I think it will enhance tourism.

Filippo Biondi 1:19:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:01 Because if this speculation proves to be fu- fruitful-

Filippo Biondi 1:19:04 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:19:04 ... and you start looking under there, and you find that there, there, there is evidence to all this, it's just gonna make more people want to go there.

Filippo Biondi 1:19:10 Oh, yes. Uh, I, I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe-... we will find the structures that are underneath, no? And maybe we can try to build a huge, uh, lift that carry people downstairs in safety all the way. So, or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain, at a certain depth, so they can also travel along the horizontal corridors-

Joe Rogan 1:19:38 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 1:19:38 -that are present. And so they go up from the shafts, and they, they go f- uh, they, they, they go up or fro- uh, to the Khafre Pyramid, then they go a- away from, so the entrance here, and they, and they go, uh, intercepting the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 1:19:56 That would be amazing.

Filippo Biondi 1:19:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:19:57 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:19:58 It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:19:58 I mean, it would just be much more tourism.

Filippo Biondi 1:19:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:20:00 Yeah. And also, the all eyes would be on Egypt.

Filippo Biondi 1:20:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:20:04 I mean, it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to arch- archeology-

Filippo Biondi 1:20:10 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:20:11 ... 'cause more young people would get fascinated by it and want to study it.

Filippo Biondi 1:20:14 Yeah. And, and imagine, imagine also this: what can we find below, down there? What can, what can we find? This is a question that I am asking. Because if we watch the, the, the, the slide concerning the shaft that I want to, that I want to clean, there are things inside it, uh, it... I am showing that, that, that, uh, there are things located inside the, uh, chamber. Look, there is something. What, what is that?

Joe Rogan 1:20:47 What are you seeing? When you s- we're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom, and there's a chamber, is that what you mean?

Filippo Biondi 1:20:53 That one, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:20:55 Right there.

Filippo Biondi 1:20:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:20:56 So that structure that is at the bottom-

Filippo Biondi 1:20:58 What's that? I don't know, what's that.

Joe Rogan 1:21:00 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:02 It's very huge, eh?

Joe Rogan 1:21:04 Very huge, and it's at the bottom of the shaft.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:08 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:08 Look, the horizontal corridors.

Joe Rogan 1:21:10 Mm-hmm. And so there's more horizontal cor-

Filippo Biondi 1:21:15 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:21:15 ... corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft-

Filippo Biondi 1:21:19 Then you-

Joe Rogan 1:21:19 You, there's-

Filippo Biondi 1:21:20 You intercept-

Joe Rogan 1:21:21 Right

Filippo Biondi 1:21:22 ... horizontal corridors.

Joe Rogan 1:21:22 Other corridors. And how large are those corridors?

Filippo Biondi 1:21:25 By about, um, three meters tall.

Joe Rogan 1:21:28 So there's three-

Filippo Biondi 1:21:29 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:21:29 ... so there's these three-meter-tall shafts-

Filippo Biondi 1:21:32 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:21:32 ... that go to the side.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:33 These corridors that go to the side.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:36 Along the way, and then also down at the very bottom.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:41 And you're convinced of this? This is all accurate data.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:44 Absolutely, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:44 Right. Um, [exhales] and no one's ever sent a camera down there or anything?

Filippo Biondi 1:21:50 Look, those are-

Joe Rogan 1:21:50 Is that what it looks like, yeah

Filippo Biondi 1:21:51 ... human, hu- uh, man-made structure, like a, a, a ring on another ring.

Joe Rogan 1:21:56 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 1:21:57 Look, it is, it is very clear-

Joe Rogan 1:21:59 Right

Filippo Biondi 1:21:59 ... if you observe the structure. Th- those are ma- man-made.

Joe Rogan 1:22:02 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:22:02 And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is, uh, on the bottom.

Joe Rogan 1:22:07 All the debris.

Filippo Biondi 1:22:08 The debris.

Joe Rogan 1:22:08 And that debris, you think was, a lot of it, because of the flood?

Filippo Biondi 1:22:12 I am 100% sure of this.

Joe Rogan 1:22:15 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:22:16 So the pyramids, uh, or the Giza Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the, the working. We don't know which kind of work, uh, uh, were used to do, but stopped because of the great flood. So we can go back in time in, uh, 12,000 years ago.

Joe Rogan 1:22:40 And when people's-- uh, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this, like, "What great flood? That's just not, that's just myth," there's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

Filippo Biondi 1:22:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:22:48 And the Younger Dryas Impact Theory group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the Earth that are allow- around the 11,800-

Filippo Biondi 1:22:59 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:22:59 ... year mark, and then, I belie- I believe again, in the 10,000-year range. Uh, Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that, but that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space-

Filippo Biondi 1:23:12 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:23:12 ... and very rare on Earth, but there's a layer of it.

Filippo Biondi 1:23:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:23:15 They also find these nanodiamonds, uh, that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the in- intense explosion interacting with the sand. So, uh, what is it called? Trinitite, tri- trite, is that what it's called? What are those-

Speaker 1:23:35 Tritonite

Joe Rogan 1:23:35 ... nuclear glass. What is that called? Tritonite, is that what it's called?

Filippo Biondi 1:23:39 Some, uh, some- something re- related to vitrification.

Joe Rogan 1:23:43 Yes.

Filippo Biondi 1:23:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:23:43 So this exists all over the world, and it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth.

Filippo Biondi 1:23:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:51 And so this is a, a very strong scientific indicator of-

Filippo Biondi 1:23:54 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:23:54 ... evidence that we've been hit.

Filippo Biondi 1:23:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:23:56 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:23:57 But another scientific indicator is the debris.

Joe Rogan 1:23:59 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:23:59 Why there is that debris there?

Joe Rogan 1:24:00 Right. Why so much?

Filippo Biondi 1:24:02 So much.

Joe Rogan 1:24:02 Right. Why so much?

Filippo Biondi 1:24:03 If we, if we do-

Joe Rogan 1:24:04 And salt

Filippo Biondi 1:24:04 ... cartage drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how, how, how deep we can go.

Joe Rogan 1:24:11 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:24:11 So why there is all the, all that debris there? We don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:24:15 Right. But which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid-

Filippo Biondi 1:24:19 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:24:19 ... with salt water-

Filippo Biondi 1:24:20 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:24:20 ... that it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft.

Filippo Biondi 1:24:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:26 Completely makes sense.

Filippo Biondi 1:24:27 Yeah. And I tell you, uh, Joe, we- if we do the chemical, uh, chemical ex- a chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt, because were mixed in the past by salty water, and debris, and soils.

Joe Rogan 1:24:44 Mm. Also, you could get dirt from the very bottom-

Filippo Biondi 1:24:48 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:24:49 ... and it gets some sort of organic material and carbon date that, and maybe you can get an understanding of, like, maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.

Filippo Biondi 1:24:59 Very interesting, yeah. Yes, it's possible.

Joe Rogan 1:25:01 It would-

Filippo Biondi 1:25:02 Can be possible

Joe Rogan 1:25:02 ... be crazy if they did that, and it lines up directly with the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence. Either way, just what it is that we know that there's immense shafts, we know that they go many, many meters deep into the Earth, and we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way-

Filippo Biondi 1:25:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:24 ... like, all of it is just nuts!... [chuckles] We- [laughs]

Filippo Biondi 1:25:30 This, uh, I was looking at the Osiris shaft here, um, this shaft.

Joe Rogan 1:25:34 Mm-hmm. Okay.

Filippo Biondi 1:25:35 Which is near these other ones. Uh, when they found it, there was water down there they had to get out, and the water is not only cold, ice cold, it says, it's clean enough to be drinking water.

Joe Rogan 1:25:47 Whoa!

Filippo Biondi 1:25:48 And I don't know that it doesn't-- It sounded like it refills itself.

Joe Rogan 1:25:51 Oh, so there's a spring down there? Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have, where there's this e- enormous atrium and this 40-meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there, and this is through ground-penetrating radar that they've discovered this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. But they built a dam there, I believe, in the 1960s-

Filippo Biondi 1:26:16 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:26:16 ... and to help the farmers, and unfortunately, that flooded that whole area.

Filippo Biondi 1:26:20 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:26:21 So because they changed the direction of the water-

Filippo Biondi 1:26:23 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:26:23 ... and built this dam-

Filippo Biondi 1:26:24 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:26:24 ... the water table rose.

Filippo Biondi 1:26:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:26:26 And that entire labyrinth is now filled with water.

Filippo Biondi 1:26:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:29 But through ground-penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it, and then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who described it ... See if you can pull that up. Uh, Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza Plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the, the Great Pyramid area, more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves.

Filippo Biondi 1:26:58 Yes. My God. [chuckles]

Joe Rogan 1:27:00 My God!

Filippo Biondi 1:27:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:27:01 Like, what was this civilization?

Filippo Biondi 1:27:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:27:03 These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced-

Filippo Biondi 1:27:08 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:27:09 ... than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us-

Filippo Biondi 1:27:12 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:27:12 ... just in a different way.

Filippo Biondi 1:27:14 Including us.

Joe Rogan 1:27:14 Including us.

Filippo Biondi 1:27:15 Including us.

Joe Rogan 1:27:15 Just in a different way.

Filippo Biondi 1:27:16 Uh, just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which, which of course is composed by drinkable water and the water that the, they found, uh, compounding the, [lips smack] uh, the Osiris shaft, and the water that transported all the debris, but that water was, uh, uh, uh, salty water because of the great flood, so it was, uh, water, um, of the sea, composing the sea.

Joe Rogan 1:27:46 Which makes sense when you-

Filippo Biondi 1:27:48 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:27:48 ... see the salt that's all over the pyramids.

Filippo Biondi 1:27:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:27:50 This is Herodotus' quote: "I have seen it myself, and indeed, words cannot describe it, though the pyramids beggar description, and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks. This maze surpasses even the pyramids." That is crazy! That's crazy that he said that. And have, have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like?

Filippo Biondi 1:28:13 Uh, no, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:28:14 See if you can find some of that-

Filippo Biondi 1:28:15 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:28:15 ... 'cause we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough Uncharted X. It's Ben van Kerkwijk's.

Filippo Biondi 1:28:23 Wow, how nice.

Joe Rogan 1:28:23 This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just fucking staggering.

Filippo Biondi 1:28:30 Wow, how nice.

Joe Rogan 1:28:31 This is all underground.

Filippo Biondi 1:28:32 Yes. And so I think we, the next, uh, the next, um, uh, site that, uh, we can study can be this.

Joe Rogan 1:28:40 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:28:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:41 And-

Filippo Biondi 1:28:41 Awara

Joe Rogan 1:28:42 ... and if you could find out what that 40-meter long metallic object is, that's, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird, 'cause if you find a spaceship down there, [laughing] then things get really fun. I mean, were Egyptians space travelers?

Filippo Biondi 1:29:01 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:29:01 Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space tr- who knows what they could do? They're lying in a b- gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid, this ... The, the structures go, uh, how long? A kilometer, the entire thing, into the Earth?

Filippo Biondi 1:29:17 [laughs] 1.2.

Joe Rogan 1:29:19 1.2 kilometers-

Filippo Biondi 1:29:20 Yes [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:29:20 ... into the Earth.

Filippo Biondi 1:29:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:29:21 From the base of the pyramid down, 1.2 kilometers. Wow!

Filippo Biondi 1:29:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:29:26 Wow. Does this change-- I mean, m- from 2018 to now, from you researching this, and does this change your entire perspective of human history and, and just human beings in general?

Filippo Biondi 1:29:41 In my personal opinion, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:29:43 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:29:43 Because, uh, before this, uh, was a problem accepting, uh, how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we can, if we, if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens.

Joe Rogan 1:29:59 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:30:00 More impossible than before.

Joe Rogan 1:30:02 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:30:04 But-

Joe Rogan 1:30:04 More impossible than ... I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology, trying to recreate something like that, you're talking about an immense project-

Filippo Biondi 1:30:12 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:30:12 ... that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars-

Filippo Biondi 1:30:15 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:30:15 ... if not more.

Filippo Biondi 1:30:17 A- a- a- and-

Joe Rogan 1:30:18 And the engineering involved in it. I mean, you're an engineer. The eng- engineering involved in doing something like that, like-

Filippo Biondi 1:30:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:30:24 ... how?

Filippo Biondi 1:30:25 How they can cut the granite so precisely? It is impossible. It's impossible. Also today, it's impossible.

Joe Rogan 1:30:32 So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines-

Filippo Biondi 1:30:42 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:30:42 ... and electronics-

Filippo Biondi 1:30:42 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:30:42 ... and they probably went in some completely different direction.

Filippo Biondi 1:30:46 Yeah. Yes, because, uh, the modern sc- sci- science started from a point, and then, as you, you are, you are saying right, we, we followed a, a, a direction, which is the direction of light. Because most of the, uh, our inventions, our, uh, yes, internal combustion, uh, engines, uh, and uh, uh, and other stuff, but, uh, principally, we use light because we can see it. We can see it. We can see light, okay, we use light. But other, other existence, other people that, uh, that was, uh, uh, living in the past maybe used other things that we don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:31:32 Maybe sound.

Filippo Biondi 1:31:33 Maybe sound.

Joe Rogan 1:31:34 ... Well, it seems like it, if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct-

Filippo Biondi 1:31:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:31:40 -then they were obsessed with vibration and sound.

Filippo Biondi 1:31:43 Yes, yes. They were obs- obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all the structures that, uh, I, that I watched inside the, inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound, or they maintain clean the sound.

Joe Rogan 1:32:04 It resonates sound.

Filippo Biondi 1:32:05 It resonates sound.

Joe Rogan 1:32:05 It echoes.

Filippo Biondi 1:32:06 Echoes.

Joe Rogan 1:32:06 It has a very specific echo to it.

Filippo Biondi 1:32:08 The Zed, like that, is, is magnificent. The, the Zed is, uh, is perfect. It's a perfect, uh, device made by stones. It's very nice.

Joe Rogan 1:32:21 And just how, how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this, this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression and civilization, to go from caveman to modern 2026-

Filippo Biondi 1:32:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:32:40 ... human being. We like to think that it was just, "Oh, we figured this out, and then we figured the wheel out, and then it was agriculture. Now, here we are today with cars." But more likely, there were some peaks and valleys.

Filippo Biondi 1:32:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:52 We rose up to a very high level, probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down, and it took probably a long time before civilization-

Filippo Biondi 1:32:59 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:32:59 ... rebuilt itself again.

Filippo Biondi 1:33:00 Yes. Joe, and then we are, we are speaking about modern living, but modern living has to be sustainable.

Joe Rogan 1:33:09 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:33:10 I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable.

Joe Rogan 1:33:13 No.

Filippo Biondi 1:33:13 No.

Joe Rogan 1:33:14 M- I mean, even our population isn't sustainable.

Filippo Biondi 1:33:17 No.

Joe Rogan 1:33:18 We're in population de- collapse-

Filippo Biondi 1:33:20 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:33:20 ... in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan, even there's arguments about America itself, that we're in population collapse.

Filippo Biondi 1:33:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:28 And we're also chaotic. We, we also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense, and lies, and propaganda, and we have-

Filippo Biondi 1:33:38 Yes, lies and propaganda, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:33:39 We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people, and control speech, and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things, so they can continue to dominate resources. You have a v-- we have a weird society today, but it's also a society, because of this access to information, where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before, and that is w- that's the most exciting thing about our time-

Filippo Biondi 1:34:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:34:05 ... 'cause there's so much room for discussion.

Filippo Biondi 1:34:07 I, I want to, if, if I can, um, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or s- or to other things. Uh, we have an example of, uh, how, uh, um, uh, modern humans are a bit strange because we, we are not, uh, uh, made... It, it is like that we are not made to research, uh, uh, to or to find the, uh, har- harmonics, the harmonics on, in our living. And so, uh, I just want to make you an example. The, uh, do you remember in the '80s when the, uh, cold fusion rises?

Joe Rogan 1:34:57 Yes, yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:34:57 So-

Joe Rogan 1:34:58 Yeah

Filippo Biondi 1:34:58 ... maybe we, we, we are speaking about Fleischmann and Pons, that made for the first time, they, they, they had a glass of water, and inside they made this, a mini nuclear reaction, reactor inside. They had some results that were very, very poor results, I know, but was a base to build something stronger. They put away the, that, uh, that experiment, so no, they debunked it, that, that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible. And the example of the cold fusion is how we are, because cold, cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Resonance. Why? Be- wh- how, how it works, cold fusion, we have two atoms of, uh, um, uh, of hydrogen. We start, uh, um, uh, we start to put together, putting together these two atoms, but while we put together these two atoms, there, there are the atomic forces that tends to, "No, I don't want to stay with the other atom."

Joe Rogan 1:36:12 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:36:13 So, uh, but then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together, and it transform, it is tr- they are transformed in helium plus energy because of, of mass, the mass difference. And so you can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don't want to stay together, so the force, force together, and this, that is hot. Yes, that, that is hot fusion. Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. Okay? So today, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:37:00 What method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally?

Filippo Biondi 1:37:03 Yes, yes. You, you have to find a third material that convince the two atom to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple, you have a couple, a girl and a man. They don't, they don't want to talk one to each other. If you put a third, a third person, uh, between them, at the center of them, and she, and, uh, maybe a, a third person convince the man and the girl to speak together, and they will speak together.... Okay? So the third material, which is palladium, they used palladium. Palladium has the, a physical property to make, speak together the two atoms, and without force them, they naturally transform into helium.

Joe Rogan 1:37:54 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 1:37:54 And they, and they generate energy, because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will, you will generate energy.

Joe Rogan 1:38:06 And doing this at scale is really the holy grail-

Filippo Biondi 1:38:09 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:38:09 ... of modern science.

Filippo Biondi 1:38:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:38:10 This has always been the quest.

Filippo Biondi 1:38:11 Yes. So we have two paradigma: convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the, the street that you were speaking before, science had this street, we want to have things by using force, not convincing. Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:38:36 Right, and that's where we are.

Filippo Biondi 1:38:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:38:37 That's nuclear power.

Filippo Biondi 1:38:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:38:39 Nuclear energy.

Filippo Biondi 1:38:42 Yes. Because, uh, I tell you, today, also hot, uh, nuclear fusion does not exist. Because it is very difficult to, to make a, a huge reactor that, uh, use the tokamaks or something related to laser that uses, that, that forces together the atoms to... It's something not natural.

Joe Rogan 1:39:10 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:39:10 Cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that, that it is, uh, the cr- the right creation that was the past.

Joe Rogan 1:39:24 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 1:39:24 Okay?

Joe Rogan 1:39:24 They were the right creation.

Filippo Biondi 1:39:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:39:26 They, they were, they were doing it the correct way.

Filippo Biondi 1:39:28 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:39:28 Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.

Filippo Biondi 1:39:31 In harmony with the nature-

Joe Rogan 1:39:32 Mm

Filippo Biondi 1:39:32 ... and in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. It is not difficult. It's very simple to read the universe.

Joe Rogan 1:39:47 Mm, mm. Okay, show me more. Show me more of this, uh, presentation. What else do you have in here when you go from, from the, the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus?

Filippo Biondi 1:40:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:40:01 What else?

Filippo Biondi 1:40:02 Yes, we can go to that slide.

Joe Rogan 1:40:09 This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject, by far. Of all subjects, ancient history, and particularly ancient Egypt, [chuckles] is my favorite subject.

Filippo Biondi 1:40:17 Okay, we stop to Prince Pinkerly.

Joe Rogan 1:40:19 'Cause it's, it's so undeniably-

Filippo Biondi 1:40:21 Okay

Joe Rogan 1:40:21 ... interesting.

Filippo Biondi 1:40:22 Uh, if we can go a slide up. Uh, uh, here, look. Uh, here we are dealing with something that, uh, uh, happened, uh, in two thousand twenty... '22. After this, uh, a- after our, our paper was published, because these results are on our first paper. Look, Joe, that slide there, that, that, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:40:45 The lower left slide

Filippo Biondi 1:40:46 ... picture, that. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:40:46 Yes. You depict chambers that were previously not known.

Filippo Biondi 1:40:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:53 Right there.

Filippo Biondi 1:40:53 That's the big void.

Joe Rogan 1:40:54 Right, the big void.

Filippo Biondi 1:40:55 That's the big void. And then there is, uh, the chevron connecting with the corridor, the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zahi Hawass.

Joe Rogan 1:41:12 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 1:41:14 They made the paper, but, uh, they... I, uh, I depicted six months before-

Joe Rogan 1:41:22 So you let them know it was there, and then Zahi was like-

Filippo Biondi 1:41:24 That's the corridor. That's the corridor

Joe Rogan 1:41:25 ... "I found it!" [laughing]

Filippo Biondi 1:41:28 That's the corridor.

Joe Rogan 1:41:29 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:41:29 I don't want to say that I found it, but-

Joe Rogan 1:41:32 Well

Filippo Biondi 1:41:32 ... but-

Joe Rogan 1:41:32 You found it. I'll say it, you found it. So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established?

Filippo Biondi 1:41:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:41:43 And again, how crazy is it they're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century?

Filippo Biondi 1:41:50 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:41:51 Pretty spectacular-

Filippo Biondi 1:41:52 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:41:52 ... that they're just finding this now.

Filippo Biondi 1:41:54 J- uh, and just yesterday, I was to examine it again, that I don't have it, I don't have, uh, slides here. I'm, I am sorry, but, uh, there are the results of the ScanPyramid project. The ScanPyramid usually is very good. I... Ok- it is, uh, they are, it is a very nice, uh, project pro- project, uh, group. And they discovered the, uh, the so-called, um, big void. But, uh, there is a problem. Because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery. So not steady, but inclined, like inclined, like that.

Joe Rogan 1:42:34 In an incline, right.

Filippo Biondi 1:42:37 Examinating the results, uh, I was observing something. Maybe, I say maybe, I can't say that I am right of this. Maybe they are, they, they are mis-- they are confusing an inclined new chamber by the top of the... Uh, they are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery, like that.

Joe Rogan 1:43:07 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 1:43:08 I observed the results, but in my personal opinion, the big void is not inclined, but it is located where there is that red blob there.

Joe Rogan 1:43:21 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 1:43:21 That's the, the Grand Gallery. Yes, there and also up. Y- yes, that's the Grand Gallery. It is not inclined, it's, it's flat like that. It's, uh, how you say? It's, um, steady, not inclined.

Joe Rogan 1:43:34 Right. Um-

Filippo Biondi 1:43:36 That's the Grand Gallery.

Joe Rogan 1:43:37 Why do they think it's at an incline?

Filippo Biondi 1:43:39 ... because we are not seeing, we are not, my technique does not detect, is not detecting an inclined, uh, ch- a chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery.

Joe Rogan 1:43:51 Why do they think there's an incline?

Filippo Biondi 1:43:53 Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the, and the, uh, lower part of the Grand Gallery.

Joe Rogan 1:44:10 I see.

Filippo Biondi 1:44:11 Okay. They have to be careful.

Joe Rogan 1:44:14 Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate, 'cause you did descri- describe it.

Filippo Biondi 1:44:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:44:24 You have-

Filippo Biondi 1:44:25 We can see the, the, the results, uh, that, uh, uh, I, uh, that I, um, obtained on the Gran Sasso. We can see the Gran Sasso and the laboratory of Gran Sasso. This, that is, uh, the, a perfect, um, uh, a benchmark that describes the effectiv- effectiveness of my technique.

Joe Rogan 1:44:47 All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide.

Filippo Biondi 1:44:56 Uh, below, I think. Ah, ah, okay, okay. We go to Gubbio. This is a, a town, uh, where I live. I am, uh, [chuckles] -

Joe Rogan 1:45:05 This is Sacsayhuaman, right?

Filippo Biondi 1:45:06 Sacsayhuaman, yes. This is Sacsayhuaman, and, uh, here I am, uh, showing you the next, uh, work that we, uh, can do, uh, once the Giza scanning, uh, activity are finished.

Joe Rogan 1:45:20 So this is in Peru, correct?

Filippo Biondi 1:45:23 Yeah. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:45:23 And so you want to scan this as well, because, uh-

Filippo Biondi 1:45:26 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:45:26 ... you know, we've had quite a few people on Describe This, uh-

Filippo Biondi 1:45:29 Yes. Look, Joe, the stones are like mash- marshmallows.

Joe Rogan 1:45:33 Yes.

Filippo Biondi 1:45:34 They are like marshmallows. How they did those, those-

Joe Rogan 1:45:39 Right

Filippo Biondi 1:45:39 ... those things there?

Joe Rogan 1:45:40 Enormous.

Filippo Biondi 1:45:41 Enormous.

Joe Rogan 1:45:41 Some of them 100 tons, carved from stones that, uh, who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right?

Filippo Biondi 1:45:53 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:45:54 The idea of this technology is-

Filippo Biondi 1:45:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:45:56 ... that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it, it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake.

Filippo Biondi 1:46:03 Okay. Go back a little bit. Uh, uh, Gubbio, uh, just a few words on, uh, this, uh, city. That is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live. Uh, look, um, uh, the, the Italian, the authority of this, of the city, of the town, uh, asked me to perform a scanning around that coliseum, that mini coliseum that is, uh, located in Gubbio, because probably there is a huge Roman, uh, city. Not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that, uh, arena that is there.

Joe Rogan 1:46:45 Hmm, so a lost Roman city that's around that area?

Filippo Biondi 1:46:49 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:46:51 And-

Filippo Biondi 1:46:51 And I say hello to the people of Gubbio. [laughing]

Joe Rogan 1:46:54 [chuckles] So is this the next thing that you're going to do?

Filippo Biondi 1:46:57 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:46:58 One of the next things?

Filippo Biondi 1:46:59 One of the next.

Joe Rogan 1:46:59 But Sacsayhuaman is also on the-

Filippo Biondi 1:47:00 Yeah, Sacsayhuaman. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:47:02 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 1:47:03 Uh, and there is also Co- Cor- Karakora also, very interesting. The, the slide 51, please. Yes. Yes, Karakora, yes. This, this is located in Russia, and there are h- huge structures inside there, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:47:27 This is in Russia?

Filippo Biondi 1:47:28 Yes, yes. And nobody knows the, the purpose of the, of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:47:38 And how big are these things?

Filippo Biondi 1:47:39 Oh-

Joe Rogan 1:47:39 Can you keep that up there, Jim?

Speaker 1:47:40 I'll find other pictures of it so you can-

Joe Rogan 1:47:42 Okay

Speaker 1:47:42 ... see what it looks like.

Filippo Biondi 1:47:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:47:42 Just keep this up just for a couple seconds. I just like, how, how big are we-- what are we looking at here?

Filippo Biondi 1:47:47 Yes, we have nine plus 16, plus seven, plus 10, plus 36, and they go below, so maybe two or three hundred meters below.

Joe Rogan 1:47:57 Two or three hundred meters.

Filippo Biondi 1:47:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:47:58 And there's this immense rectangle-

Filippo Biondi 1:48:00 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:48:00 ... at the bottom of these corridors.

Filippo Biondi 1:48:02 Yeah. And, and it goes more, more deeply. And so they, nobody knows what there is.

Joe Rogan 1:48:09 And if you look at that image, it's clearly a man-made structure.

Filippo Biondi 1:48:13 It's man-made, absolutely, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:48:14 I mean, look, they're stones. They're, they're placed.

Filippo Biondi 1:48:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:18 That is nuts!

Filippo Biondi 1:48:19 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:48:20 And they don't, there's just no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it?

Filippo Biondi 1:48:25 No.

Joe Rogan 1:48:26 Wow! So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist, that are undiscovered, probably all over the world.

Filippo Biondi 1:48:34 Yeah. Yes. The, the nice thing of this is, is this: satellites are global, globally. So one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, North Pole, Sou- South Pole, like that.

Joe Rogan 1:48:54 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:48:54 Because of the angular momentum conservation, the, let's say, the wheel of the orbit remains steady, and the Earth rotates inside this circle. The circle r- remains steady-

Joe Rogan 1:49:11 Right

Filippo Biondi 1:49:11 ... like that. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe, potentially, any part of the globe in one day.

Joe Rogan 1:49:21 Hmm.

Filippo Biondi 1:49:22 So you can program snapshots where you want in all the Earth in one day. So-

Joe Rogan 1:49:29 And how many satellites are up there?

Filippo Biondi 1:49:31 Ah, there are, uh, uh, the satellites that, uh, contains on board of them a payload co- uh, composed by a synthetic aperture radar, there, there are a lot. There are-... different satellites companies that, uh, provides these services. So, uh, today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay, I call the company, and they put case for me, uh, an image.

Joe Rogan 1:50:01 And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers?

Filippo Biondi 1:50:06 Manually, by explorers.

Joe Rogan 1:50:08 Manually?

Filippo Biondi 1:50:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:50:09 And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people out- able to go all the way down into it?

Filippo Biondi 1:50:13 Yes. That man, it- because there is only a m- a, um, a man that went down, because it's very narrow, but once you go down, uh, be- everything becomes very huge and large. Measured manually all those, uh, depths. But more there than then, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know. He's-

Joe Rogan 1:50:35 S-

Filippo Biondi 1:50:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:50:35 Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online?

Speaker 1:50:37 I'm looking into something. Uh, I'm stuck in a hole. Hold on.

Joe Rogan 1:50:42 [laughing]

Speaker 1:50:43 Someone was sort of saying that it's in a different spot, and now I was trying to track it down. These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month, so I am digging down a different path.

Joe Rogan 1:50:52 When did they discover this, this in Russia?

Filippo Biondi 1:50:55 I don't remember, Joe.

Speaker 1:50:55 2011.

Filippo Biondi 1:50:56 2011.

Joe Rogan 1:50:58 Wow! That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why-

Filippo Biondi 1:51:02 No

Joe Rogan 1:51:02 ... but it is clearly man-made.

Filippo Biondi 1:51:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:51:04 You're, you're seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other.

Filippo Biondi 1:51:08 Yes, and you have the same, uh, uh-

Speaker 1:51:10 ... I'm having.

Joe Rogan 1:51:12 Oh, okay.

Filippo Biondi 1:51:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:51:12 It says, "It's currently known from fringe social media and YouTube-style sources rather than former archaeological publications," because it hasn't been explored, correct?

Speaker 1:51:21 Yeah, it's 15 years ago, though.

Joe Rogan 1:51:22 Yeah, pretty, pretty nuts. But, I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? "Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks, with walls described as straight and polished, sugges- suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure." And this is all from our sponsor, Perplexity, that we run all of our questions through, and it's always been very accurate. "Said to lie somewhere between i- in the Russian Caucasus, uh, often simply, uh, described simply as North Caucasus or Caucasus Mountains, [lips smack] uh, with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone-working techniques." Crazy that they don't know who made this. "There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs that describe the site formerly named, named the Kharahora Sha-" Am I saying that right? Kharahora?

Filippo Biondi 1:52:19 Kharahora Shaft, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:52:20 Kharahora Shaft, "which strongly suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology," but, you know, look, it exists.

Filippo Biondi 1:52:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52:27 Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Like, what-- who made it? What is it? Nuts! That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. [chuckles] And it just, it makes you think, like, if they just found that in 2011-

Filippo Biondi 1:52:42 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:52:42 ... and-

Filippo Biondi 1:52:43 Manually.

Joe Rogan 1:52:43 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:52:44 And maybe doing a, a wide, uh, a wide, uh, research by satellites, maybe starting from there or other sites b- uh, between that, that Kharahora, maybe we will find other things.

Joe Rogan 1:52:57 Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:52:57 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 1:52:57 It could be a part of a-

Filippo Biondi 1:52:59 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:52:59 ... enormous complex.

Filippo Biondi 1:53:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:53:00 I mean, who knows? But just the fact that that exists and that a human made that, or humans made that, that's crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it really do- Like, anybody that... Boy, the, the modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle because, like, you can't-- at, at a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, "I don't know," and that's an "I don't know" moment. Like-

Filippo Biondi 1:53:24 Uh, yes, this an an "I don't know" moment.

Joe Rogan 1:53:26 What the hell is that?

Filippo Biondi 1:53:27 [chuckles] What is that? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:53:28 Show me some more images, Jamie, 'cause it's really kooky.

Speaker 1:53:31 Of the shaft?

Joe Rogan 1:53:32 Yeah, just of what that looks like.

Speaker 1:53:33 Well, that's... I'm trying to... It's, uh, I'm digging down a hole, and there- there's a post here on-

Filippo Biondi 1:53:38 Yes, there are not so ma-

Speaker 1:53:39 This is, uh, like, they're misinterpreting something.

Joe Rogan 1:53:42 This is Jay Anderson-

Speaker 1:53:43 No, the, the-

Joe Rogan 1:53:43 ... who's been on the pod- podcast recently.

Speaker 1:53:45 This is the tweet I found.

Joe Rogan 1:53:46 Uh, how about some fact-checking?

Filippo Biondi 1:53:47 Try Jay.

Joe Rogan 1:53:47 Kharahora, um, in the, uh, Kab- Kabardino-Balkaria Republic, North Caucasus of the Russian Federation, is a different place from Karakoto. So Kharahora and Karakoto, so there's more than one place?

Speaker 1:54:02 That's what I... I'm, I'm trying to... I've haven't- I'm just Googling stuff. It's- it all comes from this one video, it seems like, 'cause everyone's pointing to this video, and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:54:13 Mm, interesting.

Speaker 1:54:14 It's got 3 million views from 2024, so I can see how it got, I mean, it went viral, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:54:18 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:54:18 But, uh, it starts off with just showing that, and I don't, you know...

Joe Rogan 1:54:23 So this is probably the entry to this area.

Speaker 1:54:25 Maybe, but again, no one knows-

Joe Rogan 1:54:27 Oh!

Speaker 1:54:27 ... They, they can't tell you where that is, like, on a map.

Joe Rogan 1:54:30 Right. Got it.

Filippo Biondi 1:54:31 Look how pre- how precise they are.

Speaker 1:54:33 So I- this might be-

Joe Rogan 1:54:36 Right. Who knows?

Speaker 1:54:36 Yeah, could be real, could be nonsense.

Joe Rogan 1:54:38 Well, the, the images of that guy standing there, looking outside of that y- opening that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bana- bananas. But whatever this is, is fucked.

Speaker 1:54:48 But that's where I don't know where it's from. You know, it could be-

Joe Rogan 1:54:50 Right

Speaker 1:54:50 ... mis-

Joe Rogan 1:54:51 Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through?

Speaker 1:54:54 This is it.

Joe Rogan 1:54:54 So here... Okay, let's keep going, see what it looks like.

Speaker 1:54:59 And I don't even know. Let's just... Yeah, so someone else-

Joe Rogan 1:55:03 Yeah

Speaker 1:55:03 ... has done narration on it.

Joe Rogan 1:55:05 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:55:06 It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 1:55:10 God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts.

Filippo Biondi 1:55:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:55:14 I mean, this clearly looks like something man-made.

Filippo Biondi 1:55:18 Yeah. Look how precise they are.

Joe Rogan 1:55:19 Yeah. It's crazy.

Filippo Biondi 1:55:20 No, that's man-made. It's absolutely man-made. [exhales] Uh, there are also a comparison what, uh, with the, with the, the dimensions, of the dimensions.

Joe Rogan 1:55:30 Wow! What the hell is that? [chuckles] That means-

Filippo Biondi 1:55:35 It's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 1:55:36 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:55:36 What the hell is that? It's crazy, and they found it in 2011.

Filippo Biondi 1:55:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:39 I mean-

Filippo Biondi 1:55:39 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:55:39 ... imagine how much more of this stuff... I mean, that's one of the things about Gobekli Tepe, they've only observed 5% of it.... I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered.

Filippo Biondi 1:55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:49 And, and through ground-penetrating radar, they know of-

Filippo Biondi 1:55:52 I am, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:55:52 -multiple sites nearby.

Filippo Biondi 1:55:53 Yes, but ground-penetrating radar has a problem. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:55:56 What is the problem?

Filippo Biondi 1:55:57 The problem of ground-penetrating radar is, uh, the, uh, uh, penetration depth, uh, is few meters enough.

Joe Rogan 1:56:05 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 1:56:05 So it's a pro- there is a problem of penetration depth, but in that depth, you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters, you, below you can't go.

Joe Rogan 1:56:19 Right. But using that method-

Filippo Biondi 1:56:22 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:56:22 ... they have found all these structures that exist around.

Filippo Biondi 1:56:25 Yes, yes. It's a good method, uh, for, uh, in situ exploration, yes, and so you can find nice things with, uh, using ground-penetrating radar. If you want to, to perform a wide area, uh, rough, uh, uh, let's say, rough, um, uh, scanning, uh, you, you can use my method.

Joe Rogan 1:56:46 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 1:56:46 So you can, you can find huge things on wide area. For det- details, it's okay, ground-penetrating radar.

Joe Rogan 1:56:55 Um, is there anything else you wanna show us that's in your presentation that you think-

Filippo Biondi 1:56:58 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:56:59 Show me some more stuff.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:00 Yes. [chuckles] It's a pleasure.

Joe Rogan 1:57:01 Yeah, please.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:02 [chuckles]

Joe Rogan 1:57:02 It's a pleasure for me, too. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:05 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:57:05 Okay, so-

Filippo Biondi 1:57:06 Thank you for inviting me.

Joe Rogan 1:57:07 Uh, Carahora, is that how you say it? Karakora? Cora.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:11 Karakora.

Joe Rogan 1:57:11 Karakora. So this is Karakora. So that image... Go back one more time to Karakora. That- so that's a legitimate image? That's not AI-generated. This is-

Filippo Biondi 1:57:20 No, no, no

Joe Rogan 1:57:21 ... this is these guys standing-

Filippo Biondi 1:57:22 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:57:24 ... in clearly w- looks like megalithic stones-

Filippo Biondi 1:57:26 Yes, yes

Joe Rogan 1:57:26 ... stacked on top of each other. Clearly man-made.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:30 Yes, clearly man-made because look, you see-

Joe Rogan 1:57:32 Yes

Filippo Biondi 1:57:32 ... you see the blocks.

Joe Rogan 1:57:33 Yeah, you see the blocks. It's fucking nuts. [chuckles]

Filippo Biondi 1:57:36 [chuckles] No, but okay, we can, we can understand that it's possible, maybe it's possible to build something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:57:42 Sure, it's possible.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:43 But the purpose?

Joe Rogan 1:57:44 Right, the purpose and when, and who-

Filippo Biondi 1:57:46 When, who

Joe Rogan 1:57:46 ... and what civilization? Right.

Filippo Biondi 1:57:48 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:57:48 Like, who did that? That's, that is insane.

Speaker 1:57:52 What even is that?

Joe Rogan 1:57:53 What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's ropes that go across, and that's what you're seeing. And you're seeing this-

Speaker 1:58:00 Where does that rope go? Where's his arm, and where does the rope go to?

Joe Rogan 1:58:02 Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall, and that rope goes across, and you're just not seeing it-

Filippo Biondi 1:58:07 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:58:07 ... 'cause of the darkness.

Speaker 1:58:08 Is that, like, he's leaning against something there, too?

Joe Rogan 1:58:11 Uh, it looks like he's got his hand on that wall, that opening. There's an opening in that shaft. Um, so what else is next in this, in this presentation?

Filippo Biondi 1:58:20 Okay.

Speaker 1:58:21 Yeah, which way should I go?

Filippo Biondi 1:58:23 Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back a tape, then we have Gubbio, and then here we have the Osiris shafts, which, uh, we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a benchmark because we, we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know, uh, exactly how it is-

Joe Rogan 1:58:49 It's established

Filippo Biondi 1:58:50 ... established-

Joe Rogan 1:58:50 Right

Filippo Biondi 1:58:50 ... and, uh, and, uh, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:58:52 So it accurately depicts the Osiris shaft?

Filippo Biondi 1:58:54 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:58:57 Um, what else?

Filippo Biondi 1:58:58 Okay, let's go there. Okay, um, uh, fo- 43. 43, yes. Uh, this is, uh, uh, the San Gotardo Tunnel, and here, uh, I made, uh, an exploration, uh, using my technique, uh, in order to retrieve the, uh, shape of, uh, the railway tunnel, that it is, uh, approximately two kilometers below, uh, the, the, the mountain. And, uh, the slide 44, uh, we can, uh, understand that in this case, the Alps, the, the mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain.

Joe Rogan 1:59:43 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 1:59:43 So it's like, uh, uh, a, a photograph, a photo, uh, pick- picked up or, um, uh, synthesized by, uh, sound. And in, in that case, uh, we can see the slide 45 and 46, we are detecting the tunnel. The, the tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth.

Joe Rogan 2:00:08 Wow! So this is just more proof of the accuracy-

Filippo Biondi 2:00:14 Uh, yes

Joe Rogan 2:00:14 ... of the technique.

Filippo Biondi 2:00:14 Uh, yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:00:18 This is some really stunning stuff.

Filippo Biondi 2:00:20 Yes, that I can explain you other experiments. We can go starting from, uh, uh, slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam, and it's very- it is a very important dam, dam. It is, um, the Mosul Dam that is located in Iraq. Uh, it's very huge. It's, uh, 300 meters tall, has a height of thir- 300 meters, and three kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains, uh, uh, an, a huge amount of water from the, uh, upper side. There is the water that contains, and below there, there is the, the river that, uh, uh, the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Mosul Dam? The Mosul Dam has a problem. Uh, it has been built, uh, on a, a bed of gyp- uh, gesso. How you say?

Joe Rogan 2:01:23 Gypsum?

Filippo Biondi 2:01:23 Gypsum.

Joe Rogan 2:01:24 Gypsum.

Filippo Biondi 2:01:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:01:24 Yeah.

Filippo Biondi 2:01:25 And the gypsum is, uh, uh, um, while is in contact of water, it melts. So the Mosul Dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case, uh, there are a lot of, that's called satellites methods and synthetic aperture radar methods that are devoted to, uh, perform the so-called infrastructural monitoring. And in this case, the Mosul Dam is crucial to be, uh, observed by radar.... In this case, I wanted to see, uh, the, the s- uh, slide thirty-seven, please. Uh, uh, here. Uh, inside the dam, look, there, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel.

Joe Rogan 2:02:16 Mm-hmm.

Filippo Biondi 2:02:17 And here we have, uh, we have, um, uh, we have, uh, uh, people that are working, uh, inside the tunnel. And the, the task was, my technique is- uh, with my technique, it's possible to detect the, the, the tunnel. We go in slide thirty-eight. Okay, and we see on the, uh, right top, there is the tunnel.

Joe Rogan 2:02:41 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 2:02:42 Just to explain you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high, so it's red. When you see blue, the vibration has energy is low, okay? It's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the air, you don't have vibration, so it's low, and so you see the tunnel.

Joe Rogan 2:03:02 Mm.

Filippo Biondi 2:03:03 Okay? And so we were also able to detect, uh, slide thirty-nine, also the principal facility that are, uh, located inside the dam, which are the turbines.

Joe Rogan 2:03:17 The turbines.

Filippo Biondi 2:03:18 The turbines.

Joe Rogan 2:03:19 Right.

Filippo Biondi 2:03:20 And, uh, and other stuff, and all the mechanical, uh, the mechanical, uh, pr- um, machines. Uh, this is the-

Joe Rogan 2:03:28 Mm

Filippo Biondi 2:03:28 ... all the mechanical machines that are located inside the-

Joe Rogan 2:03:31 All right, so it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines-

Filippo Biondi 2:03:33 Yes

Joe Rogan 2:03:33 ... as well.

Filippo Biondi 2:03:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:03:34 So this is just more proof that this technique works.

Filippo Biondi 2:03:36 Yes. And so we go, uh, slide thirty-one. On slide thirty-one, okay, here, this is the Gran Sasso. Uh, how nice is this? Uh, it's for me, very nice because I, I born here.

Joe Rogan 2:03:49 This is the particle collider?

Filippo Biondi 2:03:51 Yeah. Inside the, the, the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the, the laboratory here. And, uh, a- a- and the, the, the task was, can I, uh, detect the facility that is, uh, inside the mountain? And so, uh, we, we are now, uh, in the slide thirty-two and thirty-three. Okay, and we can see, okay, the facility that is... INFN is the Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare.

Joe Rogan 2:04:26 Mm, you see the shape of it in there?

Filippo Biondi 2:04:29 Yeah, National Institute, uh, of, of Nuclear Physics, the Italian National Institute of, uh, Nuclear Physics.

Joe Rogan 2:04:36 And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain.

Filippo Biondi 2:04:38 Uh, one point four.

Joe Rogan 2:04:39 Wow.

Filippo Biondi 2:04:39 And, uh, yes, and slide thirty- thirty-five, we, we can see, we can see the, the, the laboratory.

Joe Rogan 2:04:47 Wow!

Filippo Biondi 2:04:48 Yeah, this is the laboratory.

Joe Rogan 2:04:50 That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory?

Filippo Biondi 2:05:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:01 Wow.

Filippo Biondi 2:05:02 And that, that, uh, that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers that, uh ... And it goes together, and they, they- and it, uh, you can study the, the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer, and that's the interferometer.

Joe Rogan 2:05:25 Wow. This is all amazing stuff.

Filippo Biondi 2:05:30 [chuckles]

Joe Rogan 2:05:30 It's amazing, and I, I, I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey.

Filippo Biondi 2:05:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:35 You know, and I think that your work, and this research, and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just gonna make more people talk about it, and more people discuss it, and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up, and that it is, without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.

Filippo Biondi 2:05:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:05:56 So-

Filippo Biondi 2:05:57 Yeah. Thank you, Joe. [laughing]

Joe Rogan 2:05:59 Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work, because, I mean, uh, like I said, it's, to me, one of the most fascinating subjects. Uh, and, you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia.

Filippo Biondi 2:06:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:06:13 And when-

Filippo Biondi 2:06:14 And I agree with this, with that.

Joe Rogan 2:06:16 And, you know, and it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him. It's 'cause he was right. He was right in the 1990s. [laughing] You know, and, and as time goes on-

Filippo Biondi 2:06:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:06:24 ... he is being proven more and more to be correct, and things just seem to keep getting older.

Filippo Biondi 2:06:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:06:31 It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here.

Filippo Biondi 2:06:34 Thank you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 2:06:34 I really, really appreciate your time, and I appreciate your work, and I-

Filippo Biondi 2:06:36 Thank you for inviting me.

Joe Rogan 2:06:37 My pleasure. Let's do it again-

Filippo Biondi 2:06:39 Yes

Joe Rogan 2:06:39 ... when more stuff comes out.

Filippo Biondi 2:06:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:06:41 All right.

Filippo Biondi 2:06:41 I, I'm here.

Joe Rogan 2:06:42 If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you t- uh, send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they wanna do a deep dive?

Filippo Biondi 2:06:50 Uh, yes. Um, uh, I have a personal website, which is harmonicSAR.com, and I publish the-

Joe Rogan 2:06:57 Say that again, harmonics...

Filippo Biondi 2:06:58 SAR.com, yes.

Joe Rogan 2:06:59 HarmonicSAR.

Filippo Biondi 2:07:00 It's meant- it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:07:01 Synthetic aperture radar-

Filippo Biondi 2:07:02 Yes

Joe Rogan 2:07:03 ... is SAR, so harmonicSAR.com.

Filippo Biondi 2:07:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:07:06 Filippo Biondi.

Filippo Biondi 2:07:07 I'm me. [upbeat music] [laughing]

Joe Rogan 2:07:08 You're the man. Thank you, sir.

Filippo Biondi 2:07:09 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 2:07:10 I really appreciate you being here. Thank you.

Filippo Biondi 2:07:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:07:11 All right. Bye, everybody. [upbeat music]