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JRE MMA Show #106 with Leon Edwards

Joe is joined by mixed martial artist Leon Edwards, who is currently competing in the UFC's Welterweight division.

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Jun 27, 20242h 5mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:021:32

    Post-fight flow state & why no-crowd events feel better

    1. JR

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Leon, what's up?

    4. LE

      I'm good. How are you?

    5. JR

      I'm... Dude, uh, first of all, fun hanging with you last night.

    6. LE

      It was a good night.

    7. JR

      It was good time.

    8. LE

      Definitely the first time seeing you, um, live. I, I was saying to my, my man- manager, he's so eff- effortless. He's, like, talking, right, but it's still funny. It was like, if you can approach fighting like that, like make it eff- e- um, effortless, then that... You're doing a good job.

    9. JR

      Well, I think some guys can at certain stages, right? Like, there's moments in fights where... Don't you feel like you're in a zone sometimes and it just... Everything's flowing?

    10. LE

      Saturday night.

    11. JR

      Saturday night, yeah.

    12. LE

      Saturday night, I'm like, I felt good. All backstage 'cause, um, leading up to the fight everyone's like, "Ring rust, ring rust." So I was kinda waiting for some feeling to say, "Where's ring rust?" Right? But I felt great backstage and I preferred fighting with, with no crowd.

    13. JR

      Did you really?

    14. LE

      Yeah. I, I... 'Cause y- you get, you get to the, to the apex and it's like you get there, you wrap your hands, you warm up, you fight. There's no hanging around for five hours backstage and just... It's like a gym, right? You just... You get there, you warm, then you just go compete, so I, I preferred it for sure.

    15. JR

      Did you prefer it because of the- there's no noise, no distractions, no nothing?

    16. LE

      And you can hear your coaches clearly.

    17. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    18. LE

      Yeah?

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. LE

      Instructions clearly and-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. LE

      I'm, I'm, I'm a very good listener to my coaches, so I wouldn't say I prefer it, but it was... I, it was good. I enjoyed it.

  2. 1:324:53

    The Belal Muhammad eye injury: what happened and why it’s so frustrating

    1. JR

      You have been in a very interesting position over the last few years where you are one of the top UFC welterler- uh, welterweights. But just be- be- because of bad fortune, just things just haven't totally lined up correctly.

    2. LE

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Fights have fallen apart, injuries and sicknesses and a bunch of shit went down and you're... Until Saturday night you, you had been kind of ignored by a lot of fans.

    4. LE

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Like, a lot of people don't understand what level you're at. They don't understand. I think they saw it for the brief moment-

    6. LE

      That happened.

    7. JR

      ... that you fought Saturday night, but then unfortunately there's the injury. You know?

    8. NA

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Belal has the accidental eye poke and it's another, you know, another unfortunate situation. But at least during that l-

    10. LE

      First round?

    11. JR

      Yeah, the first round, they got to see your skill level.

    12. LE

      Yeah, for sure. And I was just getting warmed up as well. I got... Over the last year and a half I've learned so much that I, I wanted to show and to have that, that incident happen, it's like... It's one in a million, right? When you, when you prepare, when you camp, you're like, "I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that." And then when that happened I was like... I thought... I thought it was like, "Okay, take five minutes. Let it, let it, let it, let it play out a little bit and then hopefully you can fight again." But he just... He's always that bad

    13. NA

      His eyes were so fucked.

    14. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    15. LE

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And now, was it... It was a not quite... It wasn't a poke.

    17. LE

      No, it wasn't a poke. It wasn't. Yeah.

    18. JR

      It was like a knuckle. Like this.

    19. LE

      If, if, if you could see the picture, it's like... You're, you're a kicker, right? So when-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. LE

      Wh- wh- when you're kicking you don't hold, you don't hold your fist and kick like this, right? You kinda use it to... Momentum to s-

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. LE

      ... swing your arm back. And as I was doing it, it kinda just, like, grazed his eyes. Well, not grazed. It kind of went deep, but it grazed his eyes a bit and then-

    24. JR

      But was it, like, the front knuckles?

    25. LE

      It looked like it from the pictures. Like, I c-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. LE

      I couldn't tell. I didn't feel it. I thought it was the, the, the kick that got him in his body and he, and then he fell down-

    28. JR

      Oh.

    29. LE

      ... at the start, you know? Then when he started grabbing his eyes, I was like, "Oh, shit. I got, I got... (laughs) I caught him in his eye." You know?

    30. JR

      Right.

  3. 4:537:57

    Rematch vs title shot: confidence, fairness, and contender politics

    1. JR

      Uh, he, uh... He's a great guy and, uh, uh, uh, was a great opponent for you too because he's so relentless, he's, you know, he's constantly moving forward. He's a tough guy.

    2. LE

      He's durable.

    3. JR

      Yeah, he's very-

    4. LE

      Very durable.

    5. JR

      ... very durable.

    6. LE

      When he caught me with a head kick in the first round and I kind of rush, rushed my work a little bit. I kind of went wild and started swinging, swinging for him, but I should have picked my shots a little bit better, but... He's tough, he's durable, but he doesn't beat me in, in a, in a given day, you know? I, I, I believe if we fight 10 times I'll, I'll beat him 10 times and that's just it. He was, he was, uh, a late step in for... Hamzat fell out and I think he should go back, work his way back up, and then hopefully we can meet somewhere down the line. But for now I'm looking towards a title shot. I'm looking towards being a world champion.

    7. JR

      Do you think that, uh, the title shot is warranted just because of your previous work and just because of the great first round that you had? But, I mean, do you feel like there's any unfinished business because of the way that fight ended?

    8. LE

      With Belal?

    9. JR

      Y- yeah, with Belal.

    10. LE

      Um, I don't believe so. I think, uh, from the first round... I'm normally... I'm, I'm a slow starter, right? So if that's my s- (laughs) uh... If, if that's my first round, you're not making it to the, to the fifth, you know? So, um-I think everyone saw where the fight was going and it wouldn't have made it to- attention to number five, so w- we- yeah.

    11. JR

      I understand your confidence, I really do. And this is not to demean that at all.

    12. LE

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      But you gotta- you gotta give the guy an opportunity, right? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like if-

    14. LE

      Uh-huh.

    15. JR

      ... if- if- here's my point. If the fight went the first round, if the eye poke didn't happen-

    16. LE

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... the referee just stopped the fight, everybody would be like-

    18. LE

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... "What are you doing? Well, you know where this fight is going." Well, you don't know where a fight is going 'cause fights are crazy. Like weird shit happens. People slip, guy gets them in a choke, like weird stuff happens.

    20. LE

      No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    21. JR

      You know, people get injured, you know, someone throws a calf kick, all of a sudden your leg goes numb.

    22. LE

      Like bam. (laughs)

    23. JR

      You get hit with a punch. Weird shit happens. You... Fights are crazy, you know that?

    24. LE

      No, it's- it's crazy but, um...

    25. JR

      You know what I'm saying though? I know your confidence.

    26. LE

      No, no, no. I know what you're saying but I would have- (laughs) I would- I would've won that fight clearly. Joe, normally-

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. LE

      ... normally I'm- I'm a slow starter in the first round, right?

    29. JR

      I know, yeah.

    30. LE

      Like, so I would've... I felt great Saturday night and even I'm a... I felt good, but I know he's not beating me.

  4. 7:5711:35

    Khamzat matchmaking & how hype gets built in combat sports

    1. JR

      Yeah, you've had all these weird situations where things fell apart. It's, uh, it's very unfortunate and, uh, did you feel like the Khamzat fight was strange too? Because, like, here's this guy who's only had a few fights in the UFC.

    2. LE

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      He's got a lot of hype behind him 'cause he's had, like, the Mirshah fight was a great result.

    4. LE

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      He looked fantastic, but then all of a sudden he's fighting you.

    6. LE

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Like...

    8. LE

      It- it was weird, right? 'Cause we... Well, two weeks before that, Dana White came out and he's like, "Oh, no, I'm never gonna fight Leon, or no one in top five." (laughs) Then next week he's like, "Leon, you wanna fight?" I was like, "You just said I- you... I'm too high ranked for him." But, um...

    9. JR

      Where do you think that came from?

    10. LE

      I don't know. I don't... I feel every- everyone was turning him down, you know, and-

    11. JR

      Oh.

    12. LE

      ... um, no one... everyone was turning me down as well, so Dana was like, "Okay, you want to fight him?" I was like, "Okay, let... What- what about Colby?" He's like... Colby said no. "What about Masvidal?" Masvidal said no. "What about Wonderboy?" Wonderboy's injured. So I was like, "Okay, who's got the most hype in the division now, um, that I could, like, piggyback off to get to a to- world title shot, right?" And this was a kid. Dana White built him up as this- this kid that can't be beaten, he's tough and... So I was like, "Okay, I'll go out there, I'll- I'll- I'll fight him. And when- when I beat him, I'll fight for the world title." And that- that was my plan, right? To use, um, this hype they're building around him to get me to a world title shot 'cause I'm a... I'm always looking towards the title shot, right? So anyway I can get there easier-

    13. JR

      Right, of course.

    14. LE

      ... um, I will then use Khamzat to- to get there.

    15. JR

      Isn't it weird how hype comes along sometimes? Like some guys just get-

    16. LE

      Random.

    17. JR

      ... they just get washed up in hype and they're just flying down the river. Like, what's going on?

    18. LE

      I know, like... (laughs) I've been in promotion for so long. I had like a eight-second knockout and everything.

    19. JR

      Yes.

    20. LE

      I did- I did exactly what he did, but like you said, right, just random, just comes from nowhere and...

    21. JR

      Well, it's like-

    22. LE

      ... yeah.

    23. JR

      ... sometimes it's justified.

    24. LE

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Like remember when, uh, Joaquin Buckley, uh, when he landed on, um... What... How do you say his da... How do... How the fu... He's got a... The- the gentleman he kicked with that wild kick.

    26. LE

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    27. JR

      How do you say his last name?

    28. LE

      Uh...

    29. JR

      Um...

    30. LE

      It was a good- that was a good kick.

  5. 11:3515:28

    Turning layoffs into growth: mindset shift from ‘win’ to ‘hurt’

    1. JR

      What has it been like going through this- this lull where you- you couldn't get a fight?

    2. LE

      Um, a lot of ups and downs, obviously you got, um... Especially, this- this was my fourth camp before I fought Belal, um, caught in the Woodley camp, so it was- it was lots of ups and downs, but I- I- I used that time off to- to grow, right? I kind of changed my men- my mentality, like instead sitting around and bitching and complaining about how no one- no one would want to fight me, use it as, like, a blessing, um...... use it to improve your skill set, use it to improve your mindset and that's, that's what I did in the last year, year and a half. You know, I used it to approach the game different. If you control, if you c- I can control what I can control, which is all I have to do is turn up to training, that's it, right? I can't control Masvidal or Kobe not fighting me, but I can control training and that's, that's what I did. I controlled what I could control and turned up to the gym, working hard, dedicating myself, staying disciplined because I know one day I'm, I'm, I'm gonna fight, right? So, instead of sitting around and complaining and not growing, not learning, w- maybe I was use it, I used it into my favor. It's, it's a blessing and I have grown leaps and leaps since my last fight when I fought RDA and, uh, it was... I feel good. I feel good. (laughs)

    3. JR

      Now, when you say improve your mindset, like, what do you mean by that?

    4. LE

      Just the way I look at the game, you know. Um, as before, I was kind of fighting to win not, not, not to hurt them, you know, and I'm fighting now to hurt them. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna be a world champion. I feel like winning is enough now, (laughs) you know, because I'm, I'm on an eight-fight win streak. That's the third most in the division history. Um, it's GSP one, I think, or no, K- Kamaru's one, I think, GSP and then me. So now I'm fighting to, to hurt them and to cement my, my, my name in the division and that's my mindset now. I'm not fighting to win no more. I've won enough of... I know I can beat them, you know, and the more I win, the more confidence I get, and the more... The more I compete against these guys, the more I know I can be a world champion. You know, it's... Coming from the UK, they all told... Ev- everyone tells you that, "Ah, he's from the UK, you can't wrestle, you can't do this, you can't do that," and I'm proving it fight, fight by fight and I'm gonna achieve being world champion coming from the UK and it's gonna be, it's gonna mean so much for the kids coming under me. That's my motivation to, to be a world champion.

    5. JR

      So this was, like, a conscious decision. D- do you remember making it? Do you remember deciding, like, "I'm gonna stop trying to just win fights."

    6. LE

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      "I'm, I'm gonna decide to hurt people."

    8. LE

      Yeah. Yeah. I thought... It weren't, like, a day, but I was made up my mind just over the last year or so, year and a half, my, my mind just changing that you, you, you got everything to be a, to, to, to do this. Why, why you... I, I don't know what it was. It was kind of just fighting just to... (sighs) It's like... I don't know. You're kinda fighting just to, like, win, right? I think with the m- the money as well. Like, in USA, it's like if you lose you just get half of your pay. But now, like, Saturday night, it was like a flat fee, right? So it's win, lose or draw, I get, I get the same money, so... And I still went out there and performed the best of my abilities. So they should probably change that as well, but, um... Yeah, I, I think the mindset changed over time, it weren't, like, just one, one day. It was, like, over the last year or so my mind frame changed.

    9. JR

      Do you ever work with a mental coach or anything like that?

    10. LE

      No, no.

    11. JR

      Never?

    12. LE

      No, I don't believe in-

    13. JR

      Really?

    14. LE

      Not, no, don't believe in it 'cause I, I got, I got teammates that do it, you know, and work with, um, coaches, but I feel my life experiences helped me, um, in, in the position I'm in.

    15. JR

      What, what specific life experiences?

    16. LE

      Um, just coming from where I came from, you know, um, a lot of ups and downs as I came from some... H- u- ups and downs is, like, the norm to me, right? I, I, I, I, I look forward to, to, to facing ad- adversities. When I do face it, I know I can get through it and so that, that, that's what it is, really. I look forward to adversities, so I know 'cause I've been, I've been here before (laughs) , I've been doing this since I was a kid, you know, so, um, it's... I, I, I look forward to it.

  6. 15:2840:16

    Late start in MMA, street fights, and why training changes your life

    1. JR

      When did you get started in martial arts? How old were you?

    2. LE

      17.

    3. JR

      17?

    4. LE

      Yeah, yeah. Like, straight into, into, um, MMA. I didn't start late.

    5. JR

      Oh, really?

    6. LE

      Yeah, I didn't do nothing before. I was, like, hanging around on the, on the street with your friends and getting into martial arts, so.

    7. JR

      That's interesting 'cause when you watch you kick, you would swear that you had, like, a traditional martial arts background.

    8. LE

      Yeah, I did, I did. Everyone said that (laughs) , everyone said that, so I had my gym, but I did nothing at all before. I went straight from, um, hanging around on the street with my friends to one day a gym was getting built, um, in my area. My mom said try it out, I tried it out and I was... stuck to it.

    9. JR

      Wow.

    10. LE

      And fell in love with it and... I fell in love with the striking first, um, even though I was doing all of it, but the striking just caught my attention and then, um, then the grappling came later.

    11. JR

      It's so interesting now that you're seeing, like, a whole crop of kids that are evolving that came straight-

    12. LE

      Straight.

    13. JR

      ... into MMA, nothing else.

    14. LE

      Yeah. I can-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. LE

      I can imagine, like, another, like, 20 years 'cause my son now, he's, he's doing martial arts, he does kickboxing and, um, jiu-jitsu, so I can't imagine, like, their generation, what they're gonna be like, right? 'Cause-

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. LE

      ... every, every fight, every year there's, like, a new technique that's coming out and, like that, that calf kick? That's, like, a new technique what lasts, what? Couple years-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. LE

      ... they've, they've been using it?

    21. JR

      Four or five years, yeah.

    22. LE

      Yeah, exactly. So I'm looking forward to see how far MMA goes and what, what's the next things that's, that's gonna come.

    23. JR

      Did the calf kick... Did, like, did that surprise you, like, the popularity of it?

    24. LE

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      How quickly it became, like, an-

    26. LE

      (sighs)

    27. JR

      ... so, such an important technique 'cause you land a few of them, just three or four of them and then the-

    28. LE

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      ... guy's fucked.

    30. LE

      I, I first had it when, um, I went to AKA and, um, Luke Rockhold did it to me. This was like five years ago. Um, and he, he kicked my calf in, in... when I was sparring but I didn't feel it when I was sparring. After the, after the spar my whole legs was dead for like a week, you know, so I thought, "Well, that's, that's a good kick." But I got, like, skinny shins (laughs) , I'm, like, scared to, like, break my legs.

  7. 40:1649:16

    Camaraderie, fight-week routines, and Leon’s no-meditation approach

    1. JR

      That, uh, l- uh, shit talking and things like-

    2. LE

      Can I have a coffee?

    3. JR

      Yeah, sure, brother, yeah.

    4. LE

      Thank you, sorry.

    5. JR

      If you want another one of those monsters, we got those too in the back.

    6. LE

      All right, perfect.

    7. JR

      Um, cheers.

    8. LE

      Cheers. (glasses clinking) Good man.

    9. JR

      I need some of this coffee after last night.

    10. LE

      (laughs) It was a good night?

    11. JR

      It was a lot of fun hanging out afterwards too. Chappelle and those fellas, they go hard like that every night. (laughs)

    12. LE

      Do they?

    13. JR

      They go every night. (laughs)

    14. LE

      Oh, I was done after, like, two o'clock. It was like, "I got, I got to go. I got (laughs) to-"

    15. JR

      Dave's got a philosophy behind it, though. It's actually well thought out. Like, he's like, the hang is important. He's like, "It's not just about doing shows." He's like, "The hang-"

    16. LE

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    17. JR

      "... actually makes you funnier and we talk about comedy during the hang, you know." It's always talking about jokes and talking about-

    18. LE

      That's what I said to my coaches, um, this week, 'cause I was sitting down, I was like, "Okay, this is, this is like the, this is what we're gonna remember, right? The hanging around in, in, in the hotel." We don't really remember the fights when you're old. You just rem- You remember when you win or you lost, right? But what, what you remember is like the, the banter that you had with the coaches and-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. LE

      That's, that's what I was telling my coaches last week, that we treasure these, these moments, you know? This is what we work for and just enjoy it and-

    21. JR

      Camaraderie, yeah.

    22. LE

      Yeah, man, the cama- Yeah, that, that, that's what it's all about.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. LE

      That's what you're gonna remember when you're old.

    25. JR

      Well, there's a similarity in the way fighters and comedians hang out with, is that y- not too many people understand you guys like you.

    26. LE

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      You know? Like, fighters and your, your coaches and your training partners and the people you work with, they know you.

    28. LE

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      They really... Regular people would never understand the amount of sacrifice and commitment and what it's like to go through hard sparring sessions, what it's like to go through hard strength and conditioning se-... Like, that, that you're always pushing yourself.

    30. LE

      Yeah.

  8. 49:161:02:39

    COVID setbacks & the unpredictable derailments of modern camps

    1. JR

      No, I hear you. Yeah. I'm telling you, those guys do that every night. I don't know how they do it. And then they got the 'rona and didn't even get sick.

    2. LE

      Yeah. (laughs)

    3. JR

      It's crazy. Both of them, Donnell Rawlings and Dave Chappelle both got the 'rona and had nothing.... just-

    4. LE

      Over in, like-

    5. JR

      ... nothing.

    6. LE

      ... days?

    7. JR

      They were just, they just quarantined in their hotel room. I said, "No symptoms?" "No symptoms." Nothing.

    8. LE

      Shake it up. Oh, fuck.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. LE

      Now, I've done ... I, I did it in December, and I lost, like, 6 KGs. I don't know what's that in pounds. Um, I'd lost my, my smell, my taste. I d- I had, like, two weeks off 'cause that's what you're meant to do, and went back to training. And, um, my, my body just felt weak, you know. I was like, I had to pull out of the fight. So, I had it bad.

    11. JR

      That's ... Was that a situation where you were training hard and so your immune system was kinda broken down, and then you caught it?

    12. LE

      Yeah, yeah. I, I believe so 'cause that's, like, um, yeah, I, I think that, I think that, that's what it was. I was working so hard in camp and then your body just, just sh- just shut, shut down, right?

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. LE

      And then, when you try, you had two weeks off-

    15. JR

      Thank you.

    16. LE

      (clears throat) Thank you.

    17. JR

      You can have one of those. You got Monsters. Whatever you want, man.

    18. LE

      All right, thank you. Yeah, when you, when you had, like, two weeks off and try to go back at the same intensity that you was-

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. LE

      ... two weeks ago, you just can't do it.

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. LE

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. LE

      So I had to pull out. (can tab pops)

    25. JR

      That Khamzat picture of his sink-

    26. LE

      Yeah, baby.

    27. JR

      ... where he coughed up blood in the sink is fucking crazy. But apparently, he has, um, he's had lung issues before. He's had, um, some sort of a lung issue in the past. You know, um, (smacks lips) what is that called when ... Not pneumonia, but, uh, something that a lot of people get that, uh ... Goddammit, I'm trying to remember that. It's a very common disease that people get with, uh, with coughing and-

    28. NA

      Bronchitis?

    29. JR

      Maybe that's it. I think it is. I think that is it. I think it's bronchitis. I think Khamzat has, uh, bronchitis too. So that on top of-

    30. LE

      Yeah.

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