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Post-fight flow state & why no-crowd events feel better
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Leon, what's up?
- LELeon Edwards
I'm good. How are you?
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm... Dude, uh, first of all, fun hanging with you last night.
- LELeon Edwards
It was a good night.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was good time.
- LELeon Edwards
Definitely the first time seeing you, um, live. I, I was saying to my, my man- manager, he's so eff- effortless. He's, like, talking, right, but it's still funny. It was like, if you can approach fighting like that, like make it eff- e- um, effortless, then that... You're doing a good job.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think some guys can at certain stages, right? Like, there's moments in fights where... Don't you feel like you're in a zone sometimes and it just... Everything's flowing?
- LELeon Edwards
Saturday night.
- JRJoe Rogan
Saturday night, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Saturday night, I'm like, I felt good. All backstage 'cause, um, leading up to the fight everyone's like, "Ring rust, ring rust." So I was kinda waiting for some feeling to say, "Where's ring rust?" Right? But I felt great backstage and I preferred fighting with, with no crowd.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you really?
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah. I, I... 'Cause y- you get, you get to the, to the apex and it's like you get there, you wrap your hands, you warm up, you fight. There's no hanging around for five hours backstage and just... It's like a gym, right? You just... You get there, you warm, then you just go compete, so I, I preferred it for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you prefer it because of the- there's no noise, no distractions, no nothing?
- LELeon Edwards
And you can hear your coaches clearly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Instructions clearly and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
I'm, I'm, I'm a very good listener to my coaches, so I wouldn't say I prefer it, but it was... I, it was good. I enjoyed it.
- 1:32 – 4:53
The Belal Muhammad eye injury: what happened and why it’s so frustrating
- JRJoe Rogan
You have been in a very interesting position over the last few years where you are one of the top UFC welterler- uh, welterweights. But just be- be- because of bad fortune, just things just haven't totally lined up correctly.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fights have fallen apart, injuries and sicknesses and a bunch of shit went down and you're... Until Saturday night you, you had been kind of ignored by a lot of fans.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, a lot of people don't understand what level you're at. They don't understand. I think they saw it for the brief moment-
- LELeon Edwards
That happened.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that you fought Saturday night, but then unfortunately there's the injury. You know?
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Belal has the accidental eye poke and it's another, you know, another unfortunate situation. But at least during that l-
- LELeon Edwards
First round?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, the first round, they got to see your skill level.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, for sure. And I was just getting warmed up as well. I got... Over the last year and a half I've learned so much that I, I wanted to show and to have that, that incident happen, it's like... It's one in a million, right? When you, when you prepare, when you camp, you're like, "I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that." And then when that happened I was like... I thought... I thought it was like, "Okay, take five minutes. Let it, let it, let it, let it play out a little bit and then hopefully you can fight again." But he just... He's always that bad
- NANarrator
His eyes were so fucked.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And now, was it... It was a not quite... It wasn't a poke.
- LELeon Edwards
No, it wasn't a poke. It wasn't. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was like a knuckle. Like this.
- LELeon Edwards
If, if, if you could see the picture, it's like... You're, you're a kicker, right? So when-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Wh- wh- when you're kicking you don't hold, you don't hold your fist and kick like this, right? You kinda use it to... Momentum to s-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LELeon Edwards
... swing your arm back. And as I was doing it, it kinda just, like, grazed his eyes. Well, not grazed. It kind of went deep, but it grazed his eyes a bit and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
But was it, like, the front knuckles?
- LELeon Edwards
It looked like it from the pictures. Like, I c-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
I couldn't tell. I didn't feel it. I thought it was the, the, the kick that got him in his body and he, and then he fell down-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- LELeon Edwards
... at the start, you know? Then when he started grabbing his eyes, I was like, "Oh, shit. I got, I got... (laughs) I caught him in his eye." You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 4:53 – 7:57
Rematch vs title shot: confidence, fairness, and contender politics
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, he, uh... He's a great guy and, uh, uh, uh, was a great opponent for you too because he's so relentless, he's, you know, he's constantly moving forward. He's a tough guy.
- LELeon Edwards
He's durable.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he's very-
- LELeon Edwards
Very durable.
- JRJoe Rogan
... very durable.
- LELeon Edwards
When he caught me with a head kick in the first round and I kind of rush, rushed my work a little bit. I kind of went wild and started swinging, swinging for him, but I should have picked my shots a little bit better, but... He's tough, he's durable, but he doesn't beat me in, in a, in a given day, you know? I, I, I believe if we fight 10 times I'll, I'll beat him 10 times and that's just it. He was, he was, uh, a late step in for... Hamzat fell out and I think he should go back, work his way back up, and then hopefully we can meet somewhere down the line. But for now I'm looking towards a title shot. I'm looking towards being a world champion.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think that, uh, the title shot is warranted just because of your previous work and just because of the great first round that you had? But, I mean, do you feel like there's any unfinished business because of the way that fight ended?
- LELeon Edwards
With Belal?
- JRJoe Rogan
Y- yeah, with Belal.
- LELeon Edwards
Um, I don't believe so. I think, uh, from the first round... I'm normally... I'm, I'm a slow starter, right? So if that's my s- (laughs) uh... If, if that's my first round, you're not making it to the, to the fifth, you know? So, um-I think everyone saw where the fight was going and it wouldn't have made it to- attention to number five, so w- we- yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I understand your confidence, I really do. And this is not to demean that at all.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you gotta- you gotta give the guy an opportunity, right? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like if-
- LELeon Edwards
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... if- if- here's my point. If the fight went the first round, if the eye poke didn't happen-
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the referee just stopped the fight, everybody would be like-
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "What are you doing? Well, you know where this fight is going." Well, you don't know where a fight is going 'cause fights are crazy. Like weird shit happens. People slip, guy gets them in a choke, like weird stuff happens.
- LELeon Edwards
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, people get injured, you know, someone throws a calf kick, all of a sudden your leg goes numb.
- LELeon Edwards
Like bam. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You get hit with a punch. Weird shit happens. You... Fights are crazy, you know that?
- LELeon Edwards
No, it's- it's crazy but, um...
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I'm saying though? I know your confidence.
- LELeon Edwards
No, no, no. I know what you're saying but I would have- (laughs) I would- I would've won that fight clearly. Joe, normally-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LELeon Edwards
... normally I'm- I'm a slow starter in the first round, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Like, so I would've... I felt great Saturday night and even I'm a... I felt good, but I know he's not beating me.
- 7:57 – 11:35
Khamzat matchmaking & how hype gets built in combat sports
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you've had all these weird situations where things fell apart. It's, uh, it's very unfortunate and, uh, did you feel like the Khamzat fight was strange too? Because, like, here's this guy who's only had a few fights in the UFC.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's got a lot of hype behind him 'cause he's had, like, the Mirshah fight was a great result.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He looked fantastic, but then all of a sudden he's fighting you.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like...
- LELeon Edwards
It- it was weird, right? 'Cause we... Well, two weeks before that, Dana White came out and he's like, "Oh, no, I'm never gonna fight Leon, or no one in top five." (laughs) Then next week he's like, "Leon, you wanna fight?" I was like, "You just said I- you... I'm too high ranked for him." But, um...
- JRJoe Rogan
Where do you think that came from?
- LELeon Edwards
I don't know. I don't... I feel every- everyone was turning him down, you know, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- LELeon Edwards
... um, no one... everyone was turning me down as well, so Dana was like, "Okay, you want to fight him?" I was like, "Okay, let... What- what about Colby?" He's like... Colby said no. "What about Masvidal?" Masvidal said no. "What about Wonderboy?" Wonderboy's injured. So I was like, "Okay, who's got the most hype in the division now, um, that I could, like, piggyback off to get to a to- world title shot, right?" And this was a kid. Dana White built him up as this- this kid that can't be beaten, he's tough and... So I was like, "Okay, I'll go out there, I'll- I'll- I'll fight him. And when- when I beat him, I'll fight for the world title." And that- that was my plan, right? To use, um, this hype they're building around him to get me to a world title shot 'cause I'm a... I'm always looking towards the title shot, right? So anyway I can get there easier-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, of course.
- LELeon Edwards
... um, I will then use Khamzat to- to get there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't it weird how hype comes along sometimes? Like some guys just get-
- LELeon Edwards
Random.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they just get washed up in hype and they're just flying down the river. Like, what's going on?
- LELeon Edwards
I know, like... (laughs) I've been in promotion for so long. I had like a eight-second knockout and everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- LELeon Edwards
I did- I did exactly what he did, but like you said, right, just random, just comes from nowhere and...
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's like-
- LELeon Edwards
... yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... sometimes it's justified.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like remember when, uh, Joaquin Buckley, uh, when he landed on, um... What... How do you say his da... How do... How the fu... He's got a... The- the gentleman he kicked with that wild kick.
- LELeon Edwards
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How do you say his last name?
- LELeon Edwards
Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
Um...
- LELeon Edwards
It was a good- that was a good kick.
- 11:35 – 15:28
Turning layoffs into growth: mindset shift from ‘win’ to ‘hurt’
- JRJoe Rogan
What has it been like going through this- this lull where you- you couldn't get a fight?
- LELeon Edwards
Um, a lot of ups and downs, obviously you got, um... Especially, this- this was my fourth camp before I fought Belal, um, caught in the Woodley camp, so it was- it was lots of ups and downs, but I- I- I used that time off to- to grow, right? I kind of changed my men- my mentality, like instead sitting around and bitching and complaining about how no one- no one would want to fight me, use it as, like, a blessing, um...... use it to improve your skill set, use it to improve your mindset and that's, that's what I did in the last year, year and a half. You know, I used it to approach the game different. If you control, if you c- I can control what I can control, which is all I have to do is turn up to training, that's it, right? I can't control Masvidal or Kobe not fighting me, but I can control training and that's, that's what I did. I controlled what I could control and turned up to the gym, working hard, dedicating myself, staying disciplined because I know one day I'm, I'm, I'm gonna fight, right? So, instead of sitting around and complaining and not growing, not learning, w- maybe I was use it, I used it into my favor. It's, it's a blessing and I have grown leaps and leaps since my last fight when I fought RDA and, uh, it was... I feel good. I feel good. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, when you say improve your mindset, like, what do you mean by that?
- LELeon Edwards
Just the way I look at the game, you know. Um, as before, I was kind of fighting to win not, not, not to hurt them, you know, and I'm fighting now to hurt them. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna be a world champion. I feel like winning is enough now, (laughs) you know, because I'm, I'm on an eight-fight win streak. That's the third most in the division history. Um, it's GSP one, I think, or no, K- Kamaru's one, I think, GSP and then me. So now I'm fighting to, to hurt them and to cement my, my, my name in the division and that's my mindset now. I'm not fighting to win no more. I've won enough of... I know I can beat them, you know, and the more I win, the more confidence I get, and the more... The more I compete against these guys, the more I know I can be a world champion. You know, it's... Coming from the UK, they all told... Ev- everyone tells you that, "Ah, he's from the UK, you can't wrestle, you can't do this, you can't do that," and I'm proving it fight, fight by fight and I'm gonna achieve being world champion coming from the UK and it's gonna be, it's gonna mean so much for the kids coming under me. That's my motivation to, to be a world champion.
- JRJoe Rogan
So this was, like, a conscious decision. D- do you remember making it? Do you remember deciding, like, "I'm gonna stop trying to just win fights."
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I'm, I'm gonna decide to hurt people."
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah. Yeah. I thought... It weren't, like, a day, but I was made up my mind just over the last year or so, year and a half, my, my mind just changing that you, you, you got everything to be a, to, to, to do this. Why, why you... I, I don't know what it was. It was kind of just fighting just to... (sighs) It's like... I don't know. You're kinda fighting just to, like, win, right? I think with the m- the money as well. Like, in USA, it's like if you lose you just get half of your pay. But now, like, Saturday night, it was like a flat fee, right? So it's win, lose or draw, I get, I get the same money, so... And I still went out there and performed the best of my abilities. So they should probably change that as well, but, um... Yeah, I, I think the mindset changed over time, it weren't, like, just one, one day. It was, like, over the last year or so my mind frame changed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you ever work with a mental coach or anything like that?
- LELeon Edwards
No, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Never?
- LELeon Edwards
No, I don't believe in-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- LELeon Edwards
Not, no, don't believe in it 'cause I, I got, I got teammates that do it, you know, and work with, um, coaches, but I feel my life experiences helped me, um, in, in the position I'm in.
- JRJoe Rogan
What, what specific life experiences?
- LELeon Edwards
Um, just coming from where I came from, you know, um, a lot of ups and downs as I came from some... H- u- ups and downs is, like, the norm to me, right? I, I, I, I, I look forward to, to, to facing ad- adversities. When I do face it, I know I can get through it and so that, that, that's what it is, really. I look forward to adversities, so I know 'cause I've been, I've been here before (laughs) , I've been doing this since I was a kid, you know, so, um, it's... I, I, I look forward to it.
- 15:28 – 40:16
Late start in MMA, street fights, and why training changes your life
- JRJoe Rogan
When did you get started in martial arts? How old were you?
- LELeon Edwards
17.
- JRJoe Rogan
17?
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, yeah. Like, straight into, into, um, MMA. I didn't start late.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really?
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, I didn't do nothing before. I was, like, hanging around on the, on the street with your friends and getting into martial arts, so.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's interesting 'cause when you watch you kick, you would swear that you had, like, a traditional martial arts background.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, I did, I did. Everyone said that (laughs) , everyone said that, so I had my gym, but I did nothing at all before. I went straight from, um, hanging around on the street with my friends to one day a gym was getting built, um, in my area. My mom said try it out, I tried it out and I was... stuck to it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- LELeon Edwards
And fell in love with it and... I fell in love with the striking first, um, even though I was doing all of it, but the striking just caught my attention and then, um, then the grappling came later.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so interesting now that you're seeing, like, a whole crop of kids that are evolving that came straight-
- LELeon Edwards
Straight.
- JRJoe Rogan
... into MMA, nothing else.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah. I can-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
I can imagine, like, another, like, 20 years 'cause my son now, he's, he's doing martial arts, he does kickboxing and, um, jiu-jitsu, so I can't imagine, like, their generation, what they're gonna be like, right? 'Cause-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LELeon Edwards
... every, every fight, every year there's, like, a new technique that's coming out and, like that, that calf kick? That's, like, a new technique what lasts, what? Couple years-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
... they've, they've been using it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Four or five years, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, exactly. So I'm looking forward to see how far MMA goes and what, what's the next things that's, that's gonna come.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did the calf kick... Did, like, did that surprise you, like, the popularity of it?
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How quickly it became, like, an-
- LELeon Edwards
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... so, such an important technique 'cause you land a few of them, just three or four of them and then the-
- LELeon Edwards
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... guy's fucked.
- LELeon Edwards
I, I first had it when, um, I went to AKA and, um, Luke Rockhold did it to me. This was like five years ago. Um, and he, he kicked my calf in, in... when I was sparring but I didn't feel it when I was sparring. After the, after the spar my whole legs was dead for like a week, you know, so I thought, "Well, that's, that's a good kick." But I got, like, skinny shins (laughs) , I'm, like, scared to, like, break my legs.
- 40:16 – 49:16
Camaraderie, fight-week routines, and Leon’s no-meditation approach
- JRJoe Rogan
That, uh, l- uh, shit talking and things like-
- LELeon Edwards
Can I have a coffee?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, sure, brother, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Thank you, sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you want another one of those monsters, we got those too in the back.
- LELeon Edwards
All right, perfect.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, cheers.
- LELeon Edwards
Cheers. (glasses clinking) Good man.
- JRJoe Rogan
I need some of this coffee after last night.
- LELeon Edwards
(laughs) It was a good night?
- JRJoe Rogan
It was a lot of fun hanging out afterwards too. Chappelle and those fellas, they go hard like that every night. (laughs)
- LELeon Edwards
Do they?
- JRJoe Rogan
They go every night. (laughs)
- LELeon Edwards
Oh, I was done after, like, two o'clock. It was like, "I got, I got to go. I got (laughs) to-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Dave's got a philosophy behind it, though. It's actually well thought out. Like, he's like, the hang is important. He's like, "It's not just about doing shows." He's like, "The hang-"
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... actually makes you funnier and we talk about comedy during the hang, you know." It's always talking about jokes and talking about-
- LELeon Edwards
That's what I said to my coaches, um, this week, 'cause I was sitting down, I was like, "Okay, this is, this is like the, this is what we're gonna remember, right? The hanging around in, in, in the hotel." We don't really remember the fights when you're old. You just rem- You remember when you win or you lost, right? But what, what you remember is like the, the banter that you had with the coaches and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
That's, that's what I was telling my coaches last week, that we treasure these, these moments, you know? This is what we work for and just enjoy it and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Camaraderie, yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, man, the cama- Yeah, that, that, that's what it's all about.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
That's what you're gonna remember when you're old.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's a similarity in the way fighters and comedians hang out with, is that y- not too many people understand you guys like you.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? Like, fighters and your, your coaches and your training partners and the people you work with, they know you.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They really... Regular people would never understand the amount of sacrifice and commitment and what it's like to go through hard sparring sessions, what it's like to go through hard strength and conditioning se-... Like, that, that you're always pushing yourself.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- 49:16 – 1:02:39
COVID setbacks & the unpredictable derailments of modern camps
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I hear you. Yeah. I'm telling you, those guys do that every night. I don't know how they do it. And then they got the 'rona and didn't even get sick.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's crazy. Both of them, Donnell Rawlings and Dave Chappelle both got the 'rona and had nothing.... just-
- LELeon Edwards
Over in, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
... nothing.
- LELeon Edwards
... days?
- JRJoe Rogan
They were just, they just quarantined in their hotel room. I said, "No symptoms?" "No symptoms." Nothing.
- LELeon Edwards
Shake it up. Oh, fuck.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
Now, I've done ... I, I did it in December, and I lost, like, 6 KGs. I don't know what's that in pounds. Um, I'd lost my, my smell, my taste. I d- I had, like, two weeks off 'cause that's what you're meant to do, and went back to training. And, um, my, my body just felt weak, you know. I was like, I had to pull out of the fight. So, I had it bad.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's ... Was that a situation where you were training hard and so your immune system was kinda broken down, and then you caught it?
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, yeah. I, I believe so 'cause that's, like, um, yeah, I, I think that, I think that, that's what it was. I was working so hard in camp and then your body just, just sh- just shut, shut down, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
And then, when you try, you had two weeks off-
- JRJoe Rogan
Thank you.
- LELeon Edwards
(clears throat) Thank you.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can have one of those. You got Monsters. Whatever you want, man.
- LELeon Edwards
All right, thank you. Yeah, when you, when you had, like, two weeks off and try to go back at the same intensity that you was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LELeon Edwards
... two weeks ago, you just can't do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LELeon Edwards
So I had to pull out. (can tab pops)
- JRJoe Rogan
That Khamzat picture of his sink-
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah, baby.
- JRJoe Rogan
... where he coughed up blood in the sink is fucking crazy. But apparently, he has, um, he's had lung issues before. He's had, um, some sort of a lung issue in the past. You know, um, (smacks lips) what is that called when ... Not pneumonia, but, uh, something that a lot of people get that, uh ... Goddammit, I'm trying to remember that. It's a very common disease that people get with, uh, with coughing and-
- NANarrator
Bronchitis?
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe that's it. I think it is. I think that is it. I think it's bronchitis. I think Khamzat has, uh, bronchitis too. So that on top of-
- LELeon Edwards
Yeah.
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