JRE MMA Show #140 with Gillian Robertson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) How long can y- do you have to stop smoking weed before you'll test positive?

   3. GRGillian Robertson0:17

      Uh, usually about five days. Uh-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Five days before a fight?

   5. GRGillian Robertson0:20

      ... if you're smoking straight flower. But, uh, if you're smoking, like, oil, dabs, anything like that, then you need a little bit more time.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      You got it down to a science?

   7. GRGillian Robertson0:30

      Uh, I figured it out when I tested positive-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      (laughs)

   9. GRGillian Robertson0:35

      ... one fight (laughs) 'cause I was smoking oil, and I stopped five days out.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Oh, smoking oil. Those wacky kids and their dabs and oil. (laughs)

   11. NANarrator0:43

       Because you guys go too far.

   12. GRGillian Robertson0:45

       (laughs)

   13. NANarrator0:45

       You guys go too far.

   14. GRGillian Robertson0:46

       There is a, there's way too many ways now, I feel like. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (Exhales sharply) You go to dark places.

   16. GRGillian Robertson0:51

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       You do dabs, you go to dark places. You go-

   18. GRGillian Robertson0:53

       Yeah, especially with dabs. And like that's the, the, like, next level extreme.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah, I'm not interested in that. You just get too far gone. Like, you don't even know how to move your hands right. You just-

   20. GRGillian Robertson1:03

       Uh, there's this stuff that, that I have... I'm a medical patient in Florida, and there's stuff you can get from the, uh, dispensary. It's like literal nose drops, and that shit, like, makes you... Like, literally I feel like I can't form sentences.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       (laughs)

   22. GRGillian Robertson1:17

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Is this a spray?

   24. GRGillian Robertson1:18

       Yeah, it's just like a nasal spray.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       There, there are so many wacky people in Austin spraying ketamine up their nose.

   26. GRGillian Robertson1:25

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       It is a real issue. We had a girl go into a K hole at our comedy club the other night.

   28. GRGillian Robertson1:30

       Oh, my God.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Yeah, and her boyfriend's like, "She just did a lot of ketamine," and it was like Jesus fucking Christ.

   30. GRGillian Robertson1:35

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh, yeah. Dean always…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      impressed with was your use of the shoulder, how you're using your right arm to control the shoulder, 'cause you don't quite have it, but you've got a nice grip on the cup of the shoulder, and you're using that leverage, like, that improvise. And then when you switch to the Gable grip, I was like, "Oh, shit." The Gable grip was it. But when you were using her shoulder, I was like, "That's brilliant."

   2. GRGillian Robertson15:20

      Oh, yeah. Dean always tells me, he's like, "If it, if her chin's tucked, you should be able to break it." You know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Hmm.

   4. GRGillian Robertson15:25

      It's like, the goal is to break the jaw, so just creating that pressure with, uh, just c- closing the circle, you know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:32

      Mm-hmm.

   6. GRGillian Robertson15:32

      And trying to make that circle smaller. So I'm just inching my hand deeper and my head deeper until I can really just make it so it's too small. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      And I love what you said, that you have, like, a feel for it, 'cause I think people would think of it, like, "Oh, it's just, like, you know, you know the movement. You do it," right? But it's just like everything else. It's like playing guitar. It's like any other thing that you learn how to do that's difficult. There's, like, levels and levels and levels and levels and levels. And when you watch, like, really high-level black belts going at it, going back and forth and trying to keep up with each other, it's like, whoa. Like, you're watching, like, the craziest kind of game ever. So...

   8. GRGillian Robertson16:13

      Uh, and like, I've taught my choke to multiple people, and I feel like people just don't get it still 'cause it's like, it just, it's something I've worked on for years.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      So what's, what's specific about your choke?

   10. GRGillian Robertson16:23

       Uh, it's just the way that the- I, I have my pressure. Uh, I, I feel like I can generally finish it with one hand. I never really look for the hook, 'cause I'm usually just searching for it, uh, opportunistically, so I get it whenever it's almost too late to defend it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Hmm.

   12. GRGillian Robertson16:38

       And, uh, even just, like, the, the pressure of my choke, though, I think it's something that anybody could learn, but it's just a lot of patience, 'cause it's something that's so basic and so simple. But like I said, I've drilled it a thousand times-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Hmm.

   14. GRGillian Robertson16:51

       ... and I don't think I have it right yet. So I think it's just you have, really have to put the time and effort into one specific motion, which i- a lot of people don't have time for. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       So you just over and over again drilled it, or you just over and over again used it in training? What, what, what i- what sparked this strangulation reign that you've been on? Like, how did that start?

   16. GRGillian Robertson17:12

       Uh, it's, uh, definitely both. Uh, I feel like a lot of my technique comes from Dean Thomas. He's the, kinda, like, the-

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Dean's the man.

   18. GRGillian Robertson17:18

       Yeah, he's the engineer behind a lot of whatever I do.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       Oh.

   20. GRGillian Robertson17:23

       And, uh, he, uh, kinda devised this way of going for the neck and just off-balancing opponents and attacking the throat, and we've been drilling it for years and years and years. And even, like, I feel like the way he's described it to me hasn't really clicked until, like, recently, where we've been drilling it for years, and now it's like, "All right, I kinda get this." (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       Yeah, it's, um, y- the way you do it is t- it's, it's so i- it's so brilliantly, like, the way it progresses. Eh, what's beautiful to watch, like, especially the Rose match in particular, is, like, the, the squeeze that you put, like, the progression of it is, is what you wanna see. At a really high level, it's what you wanna see. And when someone executes and executes it on someone who is, uh, f- champion of the UFC, it's really incredible. I mean, that was a, um, amazing showcase for you.

   22. GRGillian Robertson18:12

       Oh, yeah, and into MMA it just plays in perfectly. Like, my last fight, uh, with Pierra Rodriguez, I was in mount throwing elbows the whole time, and every time she tried to turn her back a little bit, her coaches were like, "No, no, don't give your back." So they're just making her lay on the ground and take elbows to the face instead of giving up her back. So I'm like, it, it's, it's you're, you know, the worst of two worlds there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:33

       (laughs)

   24. GRGillian Robertson18:33

       Like, you get your choice.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       ... do, do you, uh, have a- is the rest of your game as strong as your choke game?

   26. GRGillian Robertson18:42

       I think so. I think my top pressure in jujitsu is definitely something that, uh, a lot of girls especially have is ... even a lot of guys, I feel like. I get a lot of compliments that, uh, I feel like in the jujitsu world is the only place where you can tell a girl she's heavy and it's a compliment, you know. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:55

       (laughs) Right. "You got heavy hips." "What?"

   28. GRGillian Robertson18:59

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:59

       Yeah.

   30. GRGillian Robertson18:59

       Everybody tells me that I'm really heavy, and, uh, it's, I- I feel like it's that kind of top pressure which is going to be dominant in an MMA game.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, exactly. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      issues, and then there's criminals too and, you know, bad folks.

   2. GRGillian Robertson30:04

      Yeah, exactly.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Yeah. There's a lot of weird stuff in the world. But, uh, just for me, um, I think i- it's fascinating that you are more afraid of social interaction than you're afraid of cage fighting. (laughs) That might be one of the greatest lines that anyone has ever said. I think that's gonna get you a lot of fans.

   4. GRGillian Robertson30:22

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      For real.

   6. GRGillian Robertson30:24

      For me, it's just, like, literally I never really, uh, did any kind of interviews or media or anything like that until I got in the Tough House.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:32

      Ah.

   8. GRGillian Robertson30:32

      So that's going from absolutely zero to 100% like ... (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      What was that like? You w- you were like 22 at the time?

   10. GRGillian Robertson30:40

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       Yeah.

   12. GRGillian Robertson30:40

       I was 22 and I was having interviews every day, cameras on you 24/7. Literally after every single interview, I had to go and change my shirt 'cause I'd be dripping sweat like I just got out the sauna.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Whoa.

   14. GRGillian Robertson30:51

       Just so nervous-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       (laughs)

   16. GRGillian Robertson30:53

       ... after every single interview.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Do you think they brought you into the house knowing that you were nervous too? That you, like that you're a little socially awkward in that regard and like that maybe that would make good television?

   18. GRGillian Robertson31:04

       Uh, I guess I never thought of it in that way.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       ... obviously they brought you in 'cause you're skillful.

   20. GRGillian Robertson31:10

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       But, but they also cast that show as a reality show. It's a very cleverly done show. You know, like, it's smart the way they do it. They, like, even with what they're doing now with Conor McGregor and Michael Chandler, it's great, but perfect sh- perfect shit-talking. When Conor tells him, "You'll do as you're told..." (laughs)

   22. GRGillian Robertson31:30

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       It's amazing. Kail, I hope that fight takes place. But it's, it's such a, it's such a show, right, so it's not-

   24. GRGillian Robertson31:36

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:36

       ... just an athletic competition. It's also, they want to make sure the people are fun.

   26. GRGillian Robertson31:40

       Oh, yeah. Our season seemed pretty, like, tame, though, I feel like, in general. We had a lot of... There was me and Montana Delarosa were the two, like, younger girls, and then everybody else, I feel like, was, like, older and more mature.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Mm-hmm.

   28. GRGillian Robertson31:52

       Like around, like, at least, like, 30s, and like, they were like... I don't... Nobody was trying to start drama. Nobody was trying to, like, get in each other's faces. There were... we didn't have any altercations. It was like, it was, it... a pretty chill season.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       That's great. So no one e- ever encourages, like, uh, any bickering or anything like that? They don't ever tell you, "Hey, you know, this bitch has been saying some shit"?

   30. GRGillian Robertson32:13

       (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. It's, um, it's…

   1. GRGillian Robertson45:00

      like, why don't... Let's break off, reset, and find the opportunity, find the right timing for the take down instead of sitting here and just grinding it out and just tiring both of us out. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      Yeah. It's, um, it's such a- a- an- an interesting time for, uh, MMA because you're seeing people like yourself that are y- young and grew up with it, and got to watch it on television, and got to... W- w- what did... What was the first MMA fight that you ever saw?

   3. GRGillian Robertson45:26

      I think the first one that I ever watched was, uh, Jon Jones and I think it was Rashad Evans.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      So, you were watching at a very high level as opposed to a lot of the people that, like, even Jon Jones, the stuff he got to see was stuff from 10 years before that. And, like, the kids of today, the kids like yourself, like you, the- the people growing up now, you guys have the most, um, amazing library of champions to study in- in all the different forms of martial arts, and to see people like yourself that are putting it together so obsessively and- and- and- and to watch it succeed over and over again inside the octagon, it's fucking cool. I love it. It's real- it's so ex- such an exciting time.

   5. GRGillian Robertson46:11

      I feel like it's the beginning of MMA as a sport-

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:13

      Hmm.

   7. GRGillian Robertson46:14

      ... where it's like so- for so long it's been jujitsu guys who do a little bit of striking or, like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:20

      Right.

   9. GRGillian Robertson46:20

      ... or like wrestlers or strikers. But now, it's like it's people putting it together and making styles and systems based upon the- these things.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Yeah.

   11. GRGillian Robertson46:30

       Where it's like I- I feel like honestly Dean is one of, uh, obviously I work with him, but he's one of the best in trying to innovate, and that's why I appreciate his mind so much of just trying to make it MMA as a sport whenever he's ... on the techniques that he has me drilling, where I feel like it's like Danaher innovated the, uh, no- nogi game with leg locks. It's like we need to change this from being kickboxing, jujitsu, and wrestling to being mixed martial arts.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       Dean always has awesome input whenever we're doing the shows and that they cut to him. He'll always point out something that I probably missed. And when you're watching these high level people that are, that are coming up right now, it, there- there is still the room for the specialist. There's still the room for, like, the Anderson Silva style striking. The- the problem is, with all fights, is they all start standing up. And if you are standing up with a guy like Alex Pereira, like you're in a world of danger. It's a terrifying world. Like, so there are still those specialists that are so goddamn dangerous at this one aspect of the game that they can get through. And the problem with, like, I always wonder, will there be... Like, 'cause Israel is a striking specialist too, but will there be an MMA fighter that is complete everywhere to the point where they can stand with a world champion kickboxer? Is that a real thing? Or is that, is that only a few freaks? Or is that, is that... It seems like in order to be a world champion kickboxer, you have to really dedicate yourself only to striking. The timing that's involved, the distance. No, you're not thinking about take downs. You're not thinking about anything else. For you to be a world champion MMA fighter, you have to be well-versed in so many different things. Can... Do you really have the time to dedicate to get to the kickboxing level that this guy is? And every fight starts kickboxing. Every fight starts way apart from each other. And when you got a guy like Pereira moving towards you with that crazy style, you're like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." (laughs) You know? Or Adesanya-

   13. GRGillian Robertson48:31

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:31

       ... like standing in front of you moving and you're like, "This motherfucker has to be three moves ahead. We haven't even started s- exchanging yet."

   15. GRGillian Robertson48:38

       Yeah, uh, I guess you gotta hope to take, get those guys on their back quick, you know. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:42

       I know. (laughs) That's what I'm saying.

   17. GRGillian Robertson48:43

       But-

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:43

       But it's interesting to watch, like, the evolution of Robert Whitaker-

   19. GRGillian Robertson48:47

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:47

       ... you know, 'cause Robert Whittaker, you know, he evolved so much more from the first fight to the second fight. He got so much better.

   21. GRGillian Robertson48:53

       Yeah. No, uh, I- I don't know. It's definitely, uh, when you have a good striker, it's hard to... Obviously, like we discussed earlier with the space-

   22. JRJoe Rogan49:01

       Yeah.

   23. GRGillian Robertson49:01

       ... you know, you can never guess what's gonna happen, but it's just like, I feel like if you are a good grappler or a good wrestler and you are able to get asthmatic, you can be that much more effective-

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:10

       Mm-hmm.

   25. GRGillian Robertson49:10

       ... than having a good striker in front of you.

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:13

       Yes. Well, you certainly can. The- the- the difference is you can control what's happening when... if you can get someone and you get on top of them, right? The- what I always wonder is, like, I wonder if there are... the people like Pereira or of that ilk, uh, Cedric Doumbé, who I think is now gonna fight for PFL, he's... Have you ever seen that guy fight?

   27. GRGillian Robertson49:33

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:33

       Holy shit. He's a glory world champion kickboxer, and he, he's a bad man. And he has a crazy work ethic too. He used my gym when he was in town, and he has a coach, and they do these strength and conditioning routines. Excuse me. I'll get something else.... they do these, uh, strength and conditioning routines where it's, um, like, one round of sprinting on the, uh, one of those, uh, self-propelled treadmills, and then one, one round of going hard on the bag, and then one round of plyos, and they're just rotating back and forth between all these different exercises. His cardio's off the charts, and he's like, "That's it." It's the- it- that's the game plan. The game plan is you put heat on them with technique and athleticism and tech- and, and strategy. When you put heat on 'em, they can't keep up. They just can't, 'cause they're not, they're not gonna work that hard. If you get to that level of fitness, like, you can have this extra thing that other people just don't have. And Cedric Doumbé has that extra thing. But can he wrestle? Like, is he gonna be able to stuff takedowns? How, how are these guys gonna deal with getting him to the ground? Because as you're moving in on him, you could get- any second you could get knocked unconscious. He could come outta nowhere, and he might just take a wild shot at you because he doesn't wanna get taken down. Maybe he just- maybe he says, "Let's see. Let me just throw a head kick." You know? It's like, I like watching that too. I, I love watching someone like yourself. I love watching these MMA fighters of today. They're these full, complete artists. Watch- get his- some of his highlights. Not the training highlights, but I know he's been doing a lot of, uh, MMA training. But go to his kickboxing highlights. His kickboxing highlights are preposterous. He's a bad man. And he's got some vicious knockouts. And he's just clever in there. He's just clever. I love the- and he's fighting- that guy's Nicky Holzken, who's a beast. I mean, Doumbé is in constant pressure. Like, you don't get breaks with him.

   29. GRGillian Robertson51:36

       I- uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:36

       If you get a break, it's because he wants you to have a break. (laughs) I mean, he just swarms on dudes.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:34

   Yeah. (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Luke Rockhold's a motherfucker on the ground. And that boy's big. Luke Rockhold's big. You know, he weighs 185 for about 15 seconds.

   2. GRGillian Robertson1:00:09

      Yeah. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      He's, he's well into the 200s, I'm sure, when he's fighting. He's a big fella, big, long, strong as shit, with crazy top pressure. And so here you go. Weidman's exhausted now and, uh, can't believe he's in this position. It's a terrible position to be in. I mean, you talk ... Rockhold's training with DC, he's training with Khabib, he's training with all those people down there, all those animals in AKA. Cain Velasquez. It's just a savage soup down there in AKA.

   4. GRGillian Robertson1:00:34

      Yeah, exactly.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

      And so Ru- ... Luke Rockhold, people forget, you know, y- people see some of his losses and see him in the, uh, later stages of his career. When Luke Rockhold was a champ, and this right here that he won the title, this motherfucker had staph. He came into this fight on antibiotics. He'd just gotten over staph. You know how hard it is to get o- over ... A- antibiotics fuck you up. And to be winning this fight in this way, is inf- fuckin' credible. And all off of Weidman missing one shot, really. Look, I mean, he's just beating the shit out of him. It's hard to watch, man, because Weidman is, like, really kinda helpless at this point, and he's so battered from these elbows that it's like ... And he's too tough. He's so tough.

   6. GRGillian Robertson1:01:15

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

      The guy will never quit. And so this is, this is one where I'm like, "Maybe this could've been stopped earlier," You could stop this at any second-

   8. GRGillian Robertson1:01:23

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

      ... right here. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't you think?

   10. NANarrator1:01:25

       I think it keeps going too. I think they kept going.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Bro, this is crazy.

   12. NANarrator1:01:27

       Oh, no. It's about to.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       This is crazy.

   14. NANarrator1:01:28

       That might've been the round.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       Unbelievable punishment dished out. By Luke Rock-

   16. NANarrator1:01:34

       I think it was the round even. I think they keep going 'cause-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       What?

   18. NANarrator1:01:37

       ... it was ... Yeah, yeah.

   19. GRGillian Robertson1:01:38

       Oh, my gosh. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       What?

   21. NANarrator1:01:39

       Again with that kick-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       Luke Rockhold-

   23. NANarrator1:01:40

       ... to the body by Weidman.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       It went on after that. That's right. That's right. And it gets ... Oh, my God. It happens again, though. ... extremely tough to be right now.

   25. NANarrator1:01:47

       Yeah, he continues it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       It happens again. That's right. After that last round- Oh. How tough is Chris Weidman? That motherfucker's so tough. Whoo.

   27. GRGillian Robertson1:01:58

       That was-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:58

       But sometimes careers can change off of one missed technique, which is one of the wildest things about MMA. Careers can change.

   29. GRGillian Robertson1:02:05

       Okay. Anything can happen at anything- at any moment. I feel like it's like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:15:54