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How to hit revenue targets in a recession | Sahil Mansuri (Bravado)

Sahil Mansuri is the CEO of Bravado, the world’s largest online sales community. Sahil is passionate about sales, and his experience dates all the way back to 2008, working for Obama’s presidential campaign. During his time at Glassdoor, Sahil was able to close some incredible accounts, including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon. In today’s podcast, we talk about why sales is a crucial part of any business and how to continue selling successfully through a recession. We get super-specific on building a conservative plan for the near future and cover everything from where to place your best salespeople to restructuring comp plans. The episode is full of great advice about how to shift with this market, improve agility, and perhaps grow an even stronger business with happier customers.  — Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-hit-revenue-targets-in-a-recession-sahil-mansuri-bravado/#transcript — Where to find Sahil Mansuri: • Twitter: https://twitter.com/svmansuri • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sahilmansuri/ • Email: sahil@bravado.com — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible: • Flatfile: https://www.flatfile.com/lenny • Merge: http://merge.dev/lenny • Miro: https://miro.com/lenny — Referenced: • Bravado: https://bravado.co/ • Stumbling on Happiness: https://www.amazon.com/Stumbling-Happiness-Daniel-Gilbert/dp/1400077427 • All-In podcast: https://www.allinpodcast.co/ • How I Built This podcast: https://www.npr.org/series/490248027/how-i-built-this • The Blacklist on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/70281312 • The Newsroom on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/the-newsroom-3d51e070-e77d-4294-ac83-cab80d3f94dd • The West Wing on HBO Max: https://www.hbomax.com/series/urn:hbo:series:GX5nwgQDNJZ6aoQEAAAHJ • Jeopardy!: https://www.jeopardy.com/watch • Frasier on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/frasier-0cb9b63b-de82-4751-99c9-1cb12118ab9d • Slack: https://slack.com/ • Zoom: https://zoom.us/ • Grain: https://grain.com/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Sahil’s background (08:26) What is Bravado?  (10:27) How to shift your sales strategy to meet the market (12:00) How to set a conservative plan that still allows you to lean in when growth is possible (19:06) Why the downturn in tech may not be over anytime soon (21:34) How Bravado gets its data from users and creates global benchmarks  (23:04) Why SAAS has an outdated comp structure (33:23) Why companies are resistant to restructuring comp plans (37:18) The problem with hypergrowth in today’s market (41:18) Why it’s time to shift into a retention-based strategy (43:28) Why your best sales staff should transition to post-sales for customer retention (51:20) What are warm intros, and how can existing customers help you get new ones? (59:30) How Sahil was able to get Facebook’s account at Glassdoor (1:08:08) Why CEOs are actually salespeople (1:12:50) How to survive a downturn (1:19:44) Lightning round — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.

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Dec 3, 20221h 26mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Redesigning Sales To Hit Revenue Targets In A Brutal Downturn

  1. Founder and Bravado CEO Sahil Mansuri explains how sales strategy, quotas, and compensation must fundamentally change in a recessionary, capital‑constrained market.
  2. Drawing on real-time data from 300,000+ salespeople, he shows that most reps and companies are now missing quota and argues for conservative planning with predefined checkpoints to adjust forecasts.
  3. He urges shifting focus from new logo acquisition to retention, expansion, and customer-led warm intros, and proposes modernizing sales comp to reward long-term customer success, not just new ARR.
  4. Throughout, he shares concrete tactics (e.g., how he closed Facebook via a cold email to Sheryl Sandberg) and challenges founders to innovate their go-to-market model rather than simply cut costs.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Plan conservatively, then predefine milestones to re-forecast and unlock spend.

Given massive quota misses and volatility, founders should set a conservative annual plan, then establish clear quarterly or monthly checkpoints that trigger either more aggressive investment or further belt-tightening—agreed in advance with the board to avoid optimism bias and ad-hoc decisions.

Redesign sales compensation to reward retention and customer quality, not just new ARR.

Traditional 50/50 OTE structures and pure-new-business commissions incentivize reps to close any deal, even bad-fit customers who churn; Sahil advocates incorporating renewal, upsell, NDR, and rep-level churn metrics into comp so reps are paid more for durable, referenceable customers.

Prioritize existing customers over cold outbound; move your best sellers into post‑sales.

With cold email and cold call response rates at historic lows and sales cycles lengthening, it’s far more productive to protect and grow current accounts; Sahil even suggests reassigning top AEs into customer success roles to minimize churn and drive expansions.

Use your unique cross-customer data to become a strategic advisor, not just a tool vendor.

Vendors like Bravado, analytics tools, or ATS platforms can aggregate benchmarks (hiring trends, quota attainment, pricing, etc.) and feed them back to customers as exclusive reports, making the product harder to rip out and deepening strategic dependence.

Lean heavily on warm introductions and text-based follow‑through to close new deals.

In this market, Sahil argues that email is “where deals go to die”; instead, harvest intros from happy customers at events, request immediate text introductions, keep the introducer on the text thread to maintain social pressure, and persistently follow up to convert interest into meetings.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Sales comp plans are stuck in the world of Glengarry Glen Ross and Wolf of Wall Street. We haven’t built a modern compensation plan that aligns the business, the customer, and the rep.

Sahil Mansuri

In a world in which you can’t sell to new customers, your only hope is to keep the ones you’ve got.

Sahil Mansuri

Companies either grow or they die. There’s no middle ground where you just cut burn and survive the winter.

Sahil Mansuri

Email is where deals go to die. Text message is where deals get done.

Sahil Mansuri

Sales, when done well, doesn’t feel salesy. People love paying you money because it’s a delightful experience.

Sahil Mansuri

How to forecast and set quotas amid extreme uncertainty and missed targetsModernizing sales compensation to align with retention and unit economicsShifting focus from net new sales to retention, upsell, and customer successTactical deal-closing strategies: warm intros, texting, customer events, and deep researchFounder mindset: treating CEOs as full-time salespeople and embracing innovation in GTMUsing community and data (Bravado’s Seller Portfolio) to understand real market conditionsDesigning new sales models (fractional / commission-only) for downturn environments

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