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The essence of product management | Christian Idiodi (SVPG)

Christian Idiodi is a partner at Silicon Valley Product Group. After a long product career and founding multiple companies, Christian now spends his time working closely with product leaders at companies big and small to implement and improve their discipline of product management. In today’s episode, we discuss: • Why there’s often a negative perception of product managers, and how we can fix this • The four attributes of a product manager’s job: value, usability, viability, and feasibility • The power of finding reference customers • How Christian developed a process for high-volume hiring to help companies like McDonald’s and Starbucks • Tactical tips for coaching, building relationships, and building trust as a leader — Brought to you by Jira Product Discovery—Atlassian’s new prioritization and roadmapping tool built for product teams: https://atlassian.com/lenny/?utm_source=lennypodcast&utm_medium=paid-audio&utm_campaign=fy24q1-jpd-imc | Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny | Teal—Your personal career growth platform: http://tealhq.com/lenny Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-essence-of-product-management Where to find Christian Idiodi: • X: https://twitter.com/CIdiodi • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cidiodi/ • Website: https://www.svpg.com/ Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Christian’s background (03:56) The negative perception of product managers (07:58) How to become a PM people want to work with (11:30) The definition of a product manager (14:46) Where new PMs fail (16:59) Reference customers: what they are and why they are so important (24:05) A quick summary of how to build a product that people want and love (26:44) How to determine product-market fit (29:54) The benefits of this approach (34:11) Real examples of using reference customers (40:06) Doing things that don’t scale (48:40) How to get better at coaching and build trust with leaders (55:53) The fastest way to build trust (01:00:01) What to do in the absence of good coaching (01:02:51) How to get into product management (01:04:16) The pitfalls of early promotions (01:11:11) How to train someone for a promotion before giving the promotion (01:13:30) How to find a good coach (01:14:40) Christian’s product work in Africa (01:21:22) The importance of passion and empathy in product work (01:22:54) Lightning round Referenced: • Marty Cagan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cagan/ • The nature of product | Marty Cagan, Silicon Valley Product Group: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/the-nature-of-product-marty-cagan-silicon-valley-product-group/ • Silicon Valley Product Group: https://www.svpg.com/ • Enhanced Product Discovery by SVPG Partner Christian Idiodi at Lean Product Meetup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQKaFEqhiqc • Geoffrey Moore’s technology adoption curve: https://fourweekmba.com/technology-adoption-curve/ • Stripe: https://stripe.com/ • Building a culture of excellence | David Singleton (CTO of Stripe): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/building-a-culture-of-excellence-david-singleton-cto-of-stripe/ • Building beautiful products with Stripe’s Head of Design | Katie Dill (Stripe, Airbnb, Lyft): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/building-beautiful-products-with-stripes-head-of-design-katie-dill-stripe-airbnb-lyft/ • Rippling: https://www.rippling.com/ • Snagajob: https://www.snagajob.com/ • Howard Schultz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardschultz/ • Tesla portable charger: https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector • Innovate Africa Foundation: https://www.innovateafrica.io/about/ • Inspire Africa Conference: https://www.inspireafricaconference.com/ • Inspired: How to Create Tech Products Customers Love: https://www.svpg.com/books/inspired-how-to-create-tech-products-customers-love-2nd-edition/ • Empowered: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Products: https://www.svpg.com/books/empowered-ordinary-people-extraordinary-products/ • Transformed: Moving to the Product Operating Model: https://www.svpg.com/books/transformed-moving-to-the-product-operating-model/ • Succession on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/succession • Billions on Showtime: https://www.sho.com/billions • Real sports app: https://www.realapp.link/ Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

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Dec 20, 20231h 33mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Christian Idiodi Redefines Product Management Through Trust, Discovery, Coaching

  1. Christian Idiodi, partner at Silicon Valley Product Group, reframes product management as waking up every day to solve someone else’s problem so well that they give you something back—revenue, engagement, loyalty, or referrals. He explains why many people dislike PMs: most have only experienced low-competence PMs, and he outlines how to become the deeply trusted, high-impact “Bob on every team.”
  2. Central to his approach is rigorous product discovery via reference customers: finding a small set of real users with a real problem, co-building a solution with them until they’re willing to put their reputation on the line as references. He illustrates this with a detailed story of building a high-volume hiring product that drove $32M in 90 days, starting with totally manual, unscalable work.
  3. Christian also dives into coaching and leadership: why managers’ real day job is coaching, how to rapidly build trust with executives, and how promotions often push people into roles they’re unprepared for. He argues leaders must let people practice leadership before they’re promoted and must create safe environments for repeated practice.
  4. Finally, he shares his work in Africa through Innovate Africa Foundation, helping builders adopt modern product practices to tackle foundational problems, and highlights the massive untapped opportunity in emerging markets as more of the continent comes online.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Product management is fundamentally about solving others’ problems so well they reciprocate.

Christian defines PM as waking up on behalf of someone else, solving a real problem, and doing it well enough that customers give you a “certificate of appreciation” in the form of revenue, engagement, loyalty, or referrals.

Competence and learning velocity are the foundation of PM trust and influence.

People resent PMs when they don’t see them as the most knowledgeable about customers, data, business, and product. New PMs should aggressively learn from the loudest, most influential experts in the company—either by asking them to teach, or by volunteering to help—so that expertise and their trust are transferred.

Focus relentlessly on value risk—the ‘should we build it’ question most teams skip.

Among value, usability, feasibility, and viability, Christian argues value is both the most important and most neglected because roadmaps often assume value. Great PMs challenge this assumption and validate whether people will actually choose, buy, and keep using the product.

Use reference customers to drive discovery and product-market fit.

Christian’s preferred discovery method is to find a small set of real customers with the problem (6–8 for B2B, 15–25 for B2C), work with them end-to-end until they genuinely love the product, and secure them as references willing to publicly vouch for it—this is his practical definition of product-market fit.

Do things that don’t scale to truly understand the problem and the solution.

In his hiring-product story, Christian and his small team manually recruited and scheduled hundreds to thousands of candidates for McDonald’s, Starbucks, and LAX before writing software. That immersive, hands-on work surfaced the real constraints, shaped the product, and led to $32M in bookings in 90 days.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The real essence of this job is that you wake up on behalf of someone else to solve a problem for them, and you have to do it well enough that they give you something back in return.

Christian Idiodi

Most people don’t like product managers because they haven’t experienced good product managers.

Christian Idiodi

If it’s not fun, you’re probably not doing it right. If it’s not hard, you’re probably also not doing it right.

Christian Idiodi

I have never had a product failure using this technique.

Christian Idiodi (on the reference-customer discovery method)

Doing product management is the product manager’s job, but getting better at product management is the manager’s job.

Christian Idiodi

The true essence and core competencies of product managementWhy product managers are often disliked and how to earn trustDiscovery via reference customers and achieving product-market fitChristian’s McDonald’s/Starbucks/LAX case study in high-volume hiringCoaching and leadership: building trust, practicing, and avoiding premature promotionsHow to become a better PM and a better coach without strong managersChristian’s product and ecosystem work in Africa (Innovate Africa Foundation, fund)

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