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The full-stack PM | Anuj Rathi (Swiggy, Jupiter Money, Flipkart)

Anuj Rathi is the Chief Product and Marketing Officer at Jupiter Money, where he leads product management, marketing, design, growth, and analytics. Before Jupiter Money, Anuj served as the Senior Vice President of Revenue and Growth at Swiggy, VP of Product at SnapDeal, a senior PM at Walmart Labs, and the first-ever PM at Flipkart. He’s also one of the most beloved and respected product leaders in India. In this episode, we discuss: • How product management is different in India • How to rethink your approach to new users • How Anuj operationalizes the “working backwards” framework • Why Anuj thinks PMs should be more full-stack than they are • How to use Anuj’s “4BB” framework to get better at product strategy and prioritization • Advice on developing innovative roadmap ideas • The three essential skills of a successful PM • Three reasons why leadership fails• Why OKRs don’t work in marketplaces — Brought to you by Sanity—The most customizable content layer to power your growth engine: https://www.sanity.io/lenny | Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny | Wix Studio—The web creation platform built for agencies: https://www.wix.com/studio?utm_source=Lennyspodcast&utm_medium=Podcastad&utm_campaign=SL Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-full-stack-pm-anuj-rathi-swiggy Where to find Anuj Rathi: • X: https://twitter.com/anujrathi • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anujrathi1 Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Anuj’s background (04:28) How product differs in India (08:34) When modern product thinking started to gain traction in India (14:01) How Anuj thinks about new-user experiences (15:07) Scott Belsky’s “lazy, vain, and selfish” framework (19:59) Why PMs must understand category consumers (22:30) Anuj’s philosophy on the PM job (23:59) How Anuj applies the working-backwards framework (28:36) The importance of FAQs (30:10) The full-stack PM mindset (33:06) Anuj’s “show don’t tell” framework (36:19) How to use the show-don’t-tell framework (39:14) The impact of using this framework (41:27) Anuj’s “4BB framework” for product strategy (48:59) Contrarian corner (50:49) Anuj’s “framework of 3” for great PMs (52:34) How to develop grit and influence (54:00) Three reasons why leaders fail  (56:21) AI corner (57:51) Lessons from building a successful marketplace (1:02:19) How to balance and maintain stability on all sides of a marketplace (1:07:48) Lightning round Referenced: • MakeMyTrip: https://www.makemytrip.com/ • Shaadi.com: https://www.shaadi.com/ • Bharat Matrimony: https://www.bharatmatrimony.com/ • Flipkart: https://www.flipkart.com/ • Ola: https://www.olacabs.com/mobile • Swiggy: https://www.swiggy.com/ • Jio: https://www.jio.com/ • UPI: http://cashlessindia.gov.in/upi.html • The First 15 Seconds, by Scott Belsky: https://medium.com/positiveslope/the-first-15-seconds-9590d7dabc • Jupiter Money: https://jupiter.money/ • How to get better at influence: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-get-better-at-influence • Working Backwards: https://www.workingbackwards.com/ • Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World: https://www.amazon.com/Range-Generalists-Triumph-Specialized-World/dp/0735214484 • In Search of Greatness on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Search-Greatness-Wayne-Gretzky/dp/B07P5X99P5 • Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow: https://www.amazon.com/Team-Topologies-Organizing-Business-Technology/dp/1942788819 • Conway’s Law: https://www.atlassian.com/blog/teamwork/what-is-conways-law-acmi • Taobao: https://world.taobao.com/ • Alibaba: https://offer.alibaba.com/ • Working Backwards: https://www.amazon.com/Working-Backwards-PB/dp/1529033845 • How Brands Grow: What Marketers Don’t Know: https://www.amazon.com/How-Brands-Grow-What-Marketers/dp/0195573560 • The Luxury Strategy: Break the Rules of Marketing to Build Luxury Brands: https://www.amazon.com/Luxury-Strategy-Break-Marketing-Brands/dp/0749464917 • The Office on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/the-office • Rise: https://www.risescience.com/ Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

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Dec 6, 20231h 12mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Building Full-Stack Product Managers for India’s Complex Digital Marketplaces

  1. Lenny interviews Anuj Rathi, veteran India-based product leader (Flipkart, Swiggy, Jupiter Money), about how product management has evolved in India’s unique, highly diverse, and price-sensitive market.
  2. Anuj shares detailed frameworks for onboarding and activating new users, implementing Amazon-style working backwards and PR/FAQs, and driving alignment through ‘show, don’t tell’ storytelling and strategy-on-a-page.
  3. He argues PMs and companies must become far more ‘full stack’—owning outcomes across product, marketing, growth, operations, and org design—rather than just shipping features.
  4. The conversation is packed with contrarian takes on experimentation, PM career fit, marketplace strategy, and how to think about excellence vs. speed, influence, and organizational setup.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat new users as lazy, vain, and selfish to design effective onboarding.

Assume users have little time (lazy), strong existing habits (vain), and care only about clear benefit (selfish). Anchor acquisition, messaging, and the first experience on one sharp value prop that continues seamlessly from marketing into the product.

Use working backwards with three divergent PR/FAQs to explore strategy space.

Don’t just write one PR/FAQ; craft three fully thought-through, divergent press releases and FAQs, then recommend one. This clarifies trade-offs, surfaces hidden constraints across teams, and makes disagreements visible before you commit.

Be a full-stack PM who owns outcomes across product, business, and GTM.

Success isn’t shipping features; it’s changing user behavior, hitting business goals, and building capabilities. That requires PMs to think like marketers, operators, and salespeople, and to actively influence engineering, leadership, and users.

Prioritize work using the 4BB framework, not just an undifferentiated backlog.

Allocate focus across four buckets—Brilliant Basics (foundational/“tech debt”), Bread & Butter (incremental improvements), Big Bets (cross-team initiatives), and Breaking Bad (company-changing moves). This is a strategic leadership decision, not a sprint-level PM call.

Show, don’t tell: visualize concrete user journeys and company strategy.

Create detailed, wall-worthy flows of specific individuals (“person, not persona”) moving through the product, and strategy-on-a-page diagrams for the whole growth/retention loop. This dramatically improves alignment, decision quality, and cross-team understanding.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Users today are lazy, vain, and selfish. Your onboarding has to win over that person, not the idealized power user in your head.

— Anuj Rathi

Product managers are in the business of influence. You’re a full-stack influencer—of engineers, of leadership, and of your users.

— Anuj Rathi

Most experiments should be thought experiments. If you think harder, many tests are obviously going to fail and never need to be run.

— Anuj Rathi

There are only three reasons things don’t happen: they can’t do, they won’t do, or they were not set up to do.

— Anuj Rathi

Work backwards from an amazing future and be paranoid about everything that can go wrong on the way there.

— Anuj Rathi

How product management and digital products evolved in India since ~2010Designing new user experiences using the “lazy, vain, selfish” user modelOperationalizing Amazon’s working backwards process and PR/FAQ (including ‘power of three’ options)The ‘full-stack’ product manager: owning outcomes, not just featuresShow-don’t-tell product reviews and strategy-on-a-page for alignmentThe 4BB framework for product strategy: Brilliant Basics, Bread & Butter, Big Bets, Breaking BadLeading product teams: capability vs. motivation vs. setup, and marketplace-specific challenges

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