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The ultimate guide to product operations | Melissa Perri and Denise Tilles

Melissa Perri is the CEO of Produx Labs, a product management training organization; author of the seminal PM book The Build Trap; and a former Harvard Business School professor of product management. Denise Tilles is the CPO at Grocket, Melissa’s colleague at Produx Labs, and a seasoned product leader with over a decade of experience. Together they authored the new book Product Operations: How successful companies build better products at scale. In today’s episode, they share insights, strategies, and real-world experiences to master all things product ops. We discuss: • What exactly product operations is • The three pillars of the product ops role • The biggest benefits of adding product ops to your organization • Which tasks product managers should offload to product ops and which they need to own • How to help PMs embrace the value of product ops • Examples of companies that have implemented product ops well • Who and how to hire for this role — This entire episode is brought to you by Jira Product Discovery—Atlassian’s new prioritization and roadmapping tool built for product teams: https://atlassian.com/lenny/?utm_source=lennypodcast&utm_medium=paid-audio&utm_campaign=fy24q1-jpd-imc Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-product-operations-melissa-perri-and-denise-tilles/#transcript Where to find Melissa Perri: • X: https://twitter.com/lissijean • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissajeanperri/ • Website: https://produxlabs.com/ Where to find Denise Tilles: • X: https://twitter.com/dtilles • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/denisetilles/ • Website: https://www.denisetilles.com Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) About our guests, Melissa Perri and Denise Tilles (03:46) How common is the product operations role? (07:41) The benefits of having a product ops person in your organization (09:16) How to help PMs embrace the value of product ops (11:44) The three pillars of the product ops role (15:25) How user research fits in (18:35) Why product ops will be an essential role for product managers to thrive (24:24) Which tasks product managers should offload to product ops and which they need to own (28:58) Project management vs. product ops (29:44) The jobs of a product ops person (37:38) Why the product ops role will never become obsolete (39:31) How many product ops people you need (45:13) First steps in building out a product ops team (47:06) What to look for in your first hire (51:11) Key skills needed for a product ops person (57:29) Who product ops should report to (59:50) An example of rolling out product ops at Athena Health (1:09:35) Lightning round Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.

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Nov 15, 20231h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Why Product Operations Is Transforming How Companies Build Products At Scale

  1. Melissa Perri and Denise Tilles break down the fast‑emerging discipline of product operations and why it has exploded across modern product-led companies. They argue that product ops exists to free product managers and leaders from operational drag—data wrangling, process chaos, and ad-hoc research—so they can focus on strategy and outcomes. The role is organized around three pillars: business & data insights, customer & market insights, and product processes & practices, with emphasis shifting by company stage. They share how to know when you need product ops, how to hire and structure it, how it differs from product and project management, and case studies from companies like Uber, Amplitude, and Athenahealth.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Product ops exists to maximize the time PMs spend on strategic work.

Instead of PMs burning 20–30% of their time chasing data, scheduling research, and reinventing processes, product ops builds shared systems and infrastructure so PMs can focus on customer problems, strategy, and outcomes.

The three pillars of product ops should be tailored to company stage.

High-growth startups usually need help first with business & data insights, while large or transforming enterprises often benefit most initially from process, governance, and operating model support; customer & market insights is a major underused opportunity across both.

Product ops informs decisions but should never make product decisions.

Product managers must keep ownership of vision, strategy, prioritization, trade-offs, and stakeholder negotiations; product ops supplies clean data, efficient research systems, and consistent processes to support those decisions—not replace them.

Start small: one sharp hire focused on the biggest pain point.

Most successful product ops functions begin with a single person focused on a clearly defined, high-impact problem (e.g., dashboards for product metrics, research participant recruiting, or roadmap governance), demonstrate quick wins, and only then expand.

Hiring for product ops depends heavily on the pillar you’re addressing.

For business & data insights, look for analyst/BI or consulting profiles strong in data storytelling and BI tools; for process & practices, look for an ex-PM with high EQ and systems thinking; for customer & market insights, seek research-ops or UX research profiles with a process-orientation.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Do you want to hire 10,000 product managers and let them all do these things off the side of their desk, or do you want them concentrating on strategic work the majority of the time?

Melissa Perri

Product operations does not take away decision-making rights from the product manager. It's there to inform them.

Melissa Perri

If you try to serve everybody, you serve no one.

Denise Tilles

We don't usually need another agile coach telling us how to run a standup. We need people to come in and help us figure out who's invited to cross-functional roadmap reviews and how to communicate at the right level to executives.

Melissa Perri

My current chief product officer said he will never go anywhere else that doesn’t have product ops.

Melissa Perri (relaying a CPO’s view on Athenahealth)

Definition and evolution of the product operations roleThree core pillars of product ops: data, customer insights, and processBenefits of product ops for PMs, leaders, and the broader organizationHow product ops differs from product management, project and program managementWhen to introduce product ops and how to structure the first hiresKey skills and backgrounds to look for in product ops rolesCase studies: rolling out product ops at Athenahealth, Amplitude, and others

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