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Oliver Stone: Vladimir Putin and War in Ukraine | Lex Fridman Podcast #286

Oliver Stone is a filmmaker with 3 Oscar wins and 11 Oscar nominations. His films include Platoon, Wall Street, Born on the Fourth of July, Scarface, JFK, Nixon, Alexander, W, Snowden, and documentaries where he has interviewed Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, and Vladimir Putin. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Novo: https://novo.co/lex - Blinkist: https://blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium - SimpliSafe: https://simplisafe.com/lex and use code LEX - ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod and use code LexPod to get 3 months free - NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour EPISODE LINKS: Oliver's Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheOliverStone Chasing the Light (book): https://amzn.to/3ywb3J2 A Bright Future (book): https://amzn.to/3yvuGAX PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 2:54 - Nuclear power 15:52 - Russia and US relations 21:07 - JFK and the Cold War 26:24 - Interviewing Putin 50:02 - Invasion of Ukraine 59:20 - Why Putin invaded Ukraine 1:13:44 - Propaganda 1:21:02 - Interviewing Putin in 2022 1:28:17 - Nuclear war 1:34:28 - Advice on interviewing 1:38:09 - Interviewing Hitler 1:41:30 - Putin interview language barrier 1:42:41 - Love 1:44:36 - Advice to young people 1:47:42 - Mortality 1:48:44 - Regrets 1:50:41 - Meaning of life SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Oliver Stone Defends Putin, Denounces U.S. Power, Warns Nuclear Catastrophe

  1. Oliver Stone joins Lex Fridman to discuss Vladimir Putin, the war in Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy, nuclear risk, and his broader worldview on imperialism and media propaganda.
  2. Stone strongly criticizes the United States and NATO as aggressive imperial powers, frames Russia as primarily defensive, and argues the full war began in 2014 with the Donbas conflict, not in 2022.
  3. He portrays Putin as calm, rational, national-interest focused, and widely misrepresented in the West, while acknowledging that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a strategic mistake with grave human costs.
  4. Throughout, they examine media bias, censorship in the West and Russia, the danger of neoconservatism, possible nuclear escalation, and the importance of empathy, education, and love in understanding power and avoiding war.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Stone believes Putin is a cautious, rational nationalist, not an imperial aggressor.

Based on years of interviews, Stone describes Putin as calm, analytical, power-aware but not personally corrupt or expansionist, and argues Western portrayals of him as a cartoon villain ignore both his popularity in Russia and the internal factions he must manage.

He frames the Ukraine war as the culmination of a conflict that began in 2014.

Stone insists you cannot assess the 2022 invasion without including the 2014 Maidan coup (in his view, U.S.-backed), the rise of nationalist/neo‑Nazi elements, the killing of civilians in Donbas, and Kyiv’s alleged failure to implement the Minsk agreements.

Stone calls the invasion of Ukraine wrong yet argues it may have been a pressured, miscalculated response.

He says Russia was “wrong to invade” and made serious strategic errors, but speculates that looming Ukrainian moves on Donbas, NATOization, and internal pressure not to appear weak pushed Putin toward a decision he misjudged in terms of resistance, sanctions, and NATO unity.

U.S. neoconservative strategy and NATO expansion are seen as primary drivers of global instability.

Stone cites the Project for the New American Century and a doctrine of preventing any rival power, linking it to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and current policy toward Russia and China, and argues that NATO has become a tool for U.S. domination rather than European security.

Media ecosystems on all sides distort reality, but Stone is especially alarmed by Western censorship.

He argues Western media has erected a “wall of propaganda” around Ukraine, suppressing dissenting views, shutting down Russian outlets like RT, and reviving a climate reminiscent of 1950s McCarthyism, while acknowledging Russia and China also maintain significant controls.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Russia was wrong to invade. It has made too many mistakes.

Oliver Stone

When people refer to Russia as Putin, they’re mistaken. It’s Russia that’s doing it.

Oliver Stone

I’ve never seen in my lifetime such a wall of propaganda as I’ve seen in the West.

Oliver Stone

The United States scares me.

Oliver Stone

To fail is not tragic. To be human is.

Oliver Stone (quoted by Lex Fridman from *The Untold History of the United States*)

Oliver Stone’s perspective on Vladimir Putin’s character, power, and intentionsOrigins and evolution of the Russia–Ukraine conflict, especially post-2014Critique of U.S. imperialism, NATO expansion, and neoconservative doctrineMedia propaganda, censorship, and information control in West and EastRisk of nuclear and chemical escalation, Dr. Strangelove, and deterrenceEnergy geopolitics, especially nuclear power versus fossil fuelsEmpathy, interviewing powerful figures, and broader reflections on life, love, and mortality

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