Tim Dillon: Comedy, Power, Conspiracy Theories, and Freedom | Lex Fridman Podcast #156

1. 0:00 – 1:51

   Introduction

   1. LFLex Fridman0:00

      The following is a conversation with Tim Dillon, a stand-up comedian who's fearless in challenging the norms of modern day social and political discourse. A quick mention of our sponsors: NetSuite business management software, Athletic Greens all-in-one nutrition drink, Magic Spoon low carb cereal, BetterHelp online therapy, and Rev speech-to-text service. So, the choice is business, health, sanity, or transcripts. Choose wisely, my friends. And if you wish, click the sponsor links below to get a discount and to support this podcast. As a side note, let me say that I will continue talking to scientists, engineers, historians, mathematicians, and so on. But I will also talk to the people who Jack Kerouac called the mad ones in his book, On the Road. That is one of my favorite books. He wrote, "The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn like fabulous yellow Roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. And in the middle you see the blue center light pop and everybody goes, 'Ah.'" Some of these conversations will be a bit of a gamble, in that I have no idea how they will turn out. But I'm willing to risk it for a chance at a bit of an adventure, and I'm happy and honored that, uh, Tim, this time, wanted to take a chance as well. If you enjoy this thing, subscribe on YouTube, review it on Apple Podcasts, follow on Spotify, support it on Patreon, or connect with me on Twitter @LexFridman. And now, here's my conversation with Tim Dillon.

2. 1:51 – 3:46

   Tim Dillon's tombstone

   1. LFLex Fridman1:51

      What would you like your tombstone to read? It's a good way to summarize the, uh, essence of a human being.

   2. TDTim Dillon1:59

      I would like it to say, "This has not been paid for."

   3. LFLex Fridman2:01

      (laughs) Yeah.

   4. TDTim Dillon2:02

      And I want, I want my, my living relatives to struggle to, to pay for it, and I think-

   5. LFLex Fridman2:08

      (laughs)

   6. TDTim Dillon2:08

      ... I would like them to be hounded every day. I would like people to call and go, "Listen, we don't wanna ever excavate a body, but we will-"

   7. LFLex Fridman2:15

      (laughs) Yeah.

   8. TDTim Dillon2:16

      "... because this has not been paid for."

   9. LFLex Fridman2:18

      Okay.

   10. TDTim Dillon2:18

       I, I love the idea of leaving the w- like, debt, leaving the world in, in lots of debt that other people-

   11. LFLex Fridman2:25

       Yeah.

   12. TDTim Dillon2:25

       ... have to deal with.

   13. LFLex Fridman2:26

       Yeah.

   14. TDTim Dillon2:27

       I, and I, I know people that have done that, and I know people that have been in families where that's happened, where someone has to sit and, and just curse the sky because they, they don't have a physical person anymore to be angry at-

   15. LFLex Fridman2:39

       (laughs)

   16. TDTim Dillon2:40

       ... and they, but they (laughs) still have to deal with the decisions that person made. And that's deeply tragic, but that's always struck me as very funny.

   17. LFLex Fridman2:47

       Well, it's a kind of im- immortality, the debt, 'cause you can... If the debt lasts for a long time, the anger lasts for a long time, and then you are now immortal in the minds of many. You arouse emotion in the minds of many.

   18. TDTim Dillon2:59

       My mother's best friend in the town I grew up in, her husband shot himself in the, the driveway.

   19. LFLex Fridman3:06

       Yeah.

   20. TDTim Dillon3:07

       And my mother's friend never got a chance to just grieve because he owed so much money. She would come over and go, "I hate him. I fucking hate him." And it was just such an interesting thing to see somebody who... And her kids ended up getting angry at her for that-

   21. LFLex Fridman3:22

       Yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon3:22

       ... because they didn't understand why she would hate a guy who was clearly, you know, s- suffering and... But she goes, "He took the selfish way out. He fucked us." And it was always interesting for me to, uh, just remember that, like, you can leave Earth and still be a problem. (laughs)

   23. LFLex Fridman3:41

       (laughs)

   24. TDTim Dillon3:41

       That's kind of a special person, so that's, I think, what I'd like my tombstone to read.

   25. LFLex Fridman3:45

       Yeah, there's

3. 3:46 – 7:57

   The horrible people are the most fun

   1. LFLex Fridman3:46

      a, there's a show called Louie with Louis C.K. I don't know if you watched it.

   2. TDTim Dillon3:49

      Yes, I've, I'm aware of it.

   3. LFLex Fridman3:50

      There's this moment, I think, where an old guy's talking to Louie about the best part about love is after you break up and it's remembering that, like... (sighs) Remembering the good times and feeling that loss, the pain of that loss. The worst part about love is when you no longer feel that pain. So-

   4. TDTim Dillon4:10

      Interesting.

   5. LFLex Fridman4:11

      ... the pain of losing somebody lasts longer, is more intense and lasts longer than the actual love. So, his argument was like, the pain is the re- is what love really is.

   6. TDTim Dillon4:23

      Wow.

   7. LFLex Fridman4:24

      In the same way that anger, your tombstone, would arouse is, would last longer.

   8. TDTim Dillon4:30

      Yeah.

   9. LFLex Fridman4:30

      And that's, that's deeply, like, a human thing. Like, why do we attach happiness to the way we should remember others? It could be just anger.

   10. TDTim Dillon4:40

       I know so many people who will have deeply complicated feelings when... I, I, I, you know, I, I did drugs for many years, so, and I, I spent time with some wild people, and their parents were also wild people. And some of their parents have done crazy things to them.

   11. LFLex Fridman4:58

       Yes.

   12. TDTim Dillon4:58

       And, you know, have created situations that were not, uh, productive for child rearing.

   13. LFLex Fridman5:06

       Yeah.

   14. TDTim Dillon5:06

       And so, I know that when those people die, it's going to be a very mixed bag.

   15. LFLex Fridman5:11

       Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon5:11

       Like, there's going to be a lot of complex emotions, like, "Hey, we loved that guy, but also when we look back, uh, he was a horrible father, a horrible husband. But he was fun."

   17. LFLex Fridman5:24

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. TDTim Dillon5:25

       And, and, and we don't put enough stock in that, but there will be a push and pull.

   19. LFLex Fridman5:29

       Yeah.

   20. TDTim Dillon5:29

       And I'll be the one kind of bringing up like, "Hey, he was a lot of fun."

   21. LFLex Fridman5:32

       Yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon5:33

       "He was a lot... Remember when he, he stuck us..." You know, one of the things, this p- particular person I'm talking about, we were, we were at a bar and me and my friend were there, we were having dinner, and his father, who was, you know, a, a, an alcoholic and, you know, a guy that would go out every night and didn't work, you know, refused to work, would lie and say he was going to work and then go to a bar. I mean, just a fun person.

   23. LFLex Fridman5:55

       Mm-hmm.

   24. TDTim Dillon5:55

       And, uh, he, he... We were sitting at this bar/restaurant, and the bartender, we see his father walk up to the bartender and say-... pointed at us, pointed at our table and go and put the thumbs up and the bartender nodded. And then the father walked over to our table and he said, "Listen, I just wanna let you know I just bought you dinner." And I looked at his son, I said, "He's a pretty good guy." And then he, he climbed over the little fence down to the water, got in his little boat, it was a little cigarette boat and he just drove away. And then about an hour later, we, uh, we went, we said, "I think, uh, that guy took care of the bill." Which he said, "Well, go talk to the bartender." So we t- talked to the bartender and he goes, he handed us a bill and the bill was for like $1,000. And we said, "Wait a minute, what the hell is going on?" And he goes, "The guy that left an hour ago said you were gonna take care of his bill. He's been drinking here all week."

   25. LFLex Fridman6:44

       (laughs)

   26. TDTim Dillon6:44

       And we go, "What are you talking about?" And he goes, "Remember, he pointed at you? He put the thumbs up and you guys waved?"

   27. LFLex Fridman6:50

       Yeah. (laughs)

   28. TDTim Dillon6:50

       "You remember that?"

   29. LFLex Fridman6:52

       That's awesome.

   30. TDTim Dillon6:52

       And the guy go, and we went, "Yeah." And I just looked at my friends f- my friend and I went, "You know, your dad is just, we're gonna remember him for all kinds of reasons."
4. 7:57 – 13:37

   Charles Bukowski

   1. LFLex Fridman7:57

      So speaking of fun people that want to die, I don't, I don't know if you're, we can go Hunter S. Thompson, but, uh-

   2. TDTim Dillon8:04

      Sure.

   3. LFLex Fridman8:04

      ... Charles Bukowski, I don't know if you're aware of the guy?

   4. TDTim Dillon8:06

      I'm aware of him, sure. I've read some of his stuff.

   5. LFLex Fridman8:09

      So his tombstone says, I just wanted to ask you a question about it.

   6. TDTim Dillon8:12

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   7. LFLex Fridman8:12

      His, uh, tombstone says, "Don't try."

   8. TDTim Dillon8:15

      Interesting.

   9. LFLex Fridman8:16

      What do you think about that advice as a way to approach life?

   10. TDTim Dillon8:20

       I, I, I think for many people it's a good, good advice, um, because the people that are gonna try will do anyway. And the people that need to be told, there's a whole cottage industry now of motivational speakers and life coaches and gurus, uh, that tell people, uh, that they all have to own their own business and be their own boss and be a disruptor and get into industries, you know. That's incredibly unrealistic for most people, most people are not suited for that. And, you know, the Gary Vs of the world that tell everybody that they should just hustle and grind, and hustle and grind-

   11. LFLex Fridman8:54

       Yeah.

   12. TDTim Dillon8:54

       ... but they're very light on the specifics of what they should actually do.

   13. LFLex Fridman8:57

       Yeah.

   14. TDTim Dillon8:57

       Um, yeah, I think a lot of people, that's not horrible advice to give to a lot of people. I think, I think my generation got horrible advice from our, our parents, from our teachers and that advice was follow your dreams, uh, and nobody... And that was it, by the way. There was no like, "What are your dreams? Are they realistic? What happens when they don't work out? Will your dreams make you happy? Are your dreams real?"

   15. LFLex Fridman9:20

       (laughs)

   16. TDTim Dillon9:20

       "Do they exist on Earth?"

   17. LFLex Fridman9:22

       Yeah.

   18. TDTim Dillon9:22

       Can you follow... If you believe in following your dreams, you can be anything you want to be. Horrible advice.

   19. LFLex Fridman9:27

       Yeah.

   20. TDTim Dillon9:28

       Horrible advice. Worst advice you could ever give a generation of people, really, truly. I mean, think about, think about it, if you were talking to somebody and you were trying to make them succeed, are there any two, uh, worse pieces of advice to give them than follow your dreams and you can be anything you want to be? Those, to me, are the two most destructive pieces of information I've ever heard.

   21. LFLex Fridman9:53

       So let me, uh, push back because, uh-

   22. TDTim Dillon9:54

       Okay, that's fair.

   23. LFLex Fridman9:55

       ... this is, uh-

   24. TDTim Dillon9:56

       Many people do.

   25. LFLex Fridman9:57

       (laughs) So, uh, yeah, this is like a rigorous journalistic interview. Larry King, by the way, passed away today so I'm, I'm taking over the-

   26. TDTim Dillon10:05

       It's very sad.

   27. LFLex Fridman10:06

       I'm c- I'm carrying the-

   28. TDTim Dillon10:07

       Very sad.

   29. LFLex Fridman10:07

       What's, what's next? (laughs)

   30. TDTim Dillon10:08

       RIP King.
5. 13:37 – 16:46

   Robots

   1. TDTim Dillon13:37

   2. LFLex Fridman13:37

      What do you think about robot? Would you ever buy a robot for your home?

   3. TDTim Dillon13:40

      Yes. What will it do?

   4. LFLex Fridman13:43

      Uh, be a companion. A friend.

   5. TDTim Dillon13:44

      Oh, yeah. I mean, I would like to start replacing friends and family with robots immediately.

   6. LFLex Fridman13:48

      Okay.

   7. TDTim Dillon13:49

      I mean, truly. Truly. I mean-

   8. LFLex Fridman13:51

      Uh-

   9. TDTim Dillon13:51

      ... I'm- I'm not even kidding, like I would like to have a Thanksgiving with four robots. I'm- I'm dead serious.

   10. LFLex Fridman13:58

       Well, let me-

   11. TDTim Dillon13:58

       Are they into QAnon? Like, uh, do the ro- are there robots... When do the robots start going crazy?

   12. LFLex Fridman14:05

       (laughs)

   13. TDTim Dillon14:05

       That's my question, is like, how long do the robots live with me before they are also a problem?

   14. LFLex Fridman14:10

       (laughs)

   15. TDTim Dillon14:10

       And I gotta replace them. You know what I mean?

   16. LFLex Fridman14:13

       You're gonna indoctrinate the robot.

   17. TDTim Dillon14:14

       Yeah, is my- the robot's gonna call me like my aunt does and talk about coronavirus for an hour-

   18. LFLex Fridman14:18

       (laughs)

   19. TDTim Dillon14:18

       ... every morning and tell me everyone in America who's died of coronavirus?

   20. LFLex Fridman14:23

       One of the things I enjoy in life is how terrified, uh, people like you-

   21. TDTim Dillon14:29

       Yes.

   22. LFLex Fridman14:29

       ... I- I'm a huge fan, by the way, get of- of robots.

   23. TDTim Dillon14:32

       Well, I am- I'm concerned about AI, like, completely getting rid of the need for human beings because human beings- I mean, you- you go out in the street and you go, "So few of these people are necessary." Even now. Even now, you look at people and you go, "They're hanging on by a thread," right?

   24. LFLex Fridman14:50

       Yeah.

   25. TDTim Dillon14:51

       And you could just imagine how many jobs are gonna get replaced, how many industries are going to be completely remade with AI, and the pace of change worries me a little bit because we do a very bad job in this country of mitigation when we have problems. We don't do a great job. We did not great job with COVID, right? We don't do a good job. It's just something we don't do well. We kind of- we're good in booms and busts. We're good when it's good and we're actually- we kinda know how to kind of like, "Hey, we're bottomed out." We're like a- we're like a gambling addict in this country. We like- we know what it feels like to be outside of an OTB at 9:00 AM drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes going-

   26. LFLex Fridman15:28

       Yeah.

   27. TDTim Dillon15:28

       ... "I'm gonna build it back," and we know what it's like to win, but try- anything in between, it seems not that great. So, to me it feels like I- are we gonna be able to, like, help people that are displaced and that have their jobs taken by... I mean, do you- do you not fear sort of an- a- a world where you have a lot of, you know, artificial intelligence replacing workers and then what happens?

   28. LFLex Fridman15:53

       The- there's a lot of fears around artificial intelligence. One of them is, yes, displacement of jobs, workers. That's technology in general that's just, uh, any kind of new innovations displace jobs. I'm less worried about that. I'm more worried about other impacts of artificial intelligence. For example, the nature of our discourse, like social- the effects of algorithms on the way we communicate with each other, the spread of information, uh, what that information looks like, the creation of silos, all that kind of stuff. I think that would just make worse the effects that the displacement of jobs, uh, has. I think ultimately I have a hope that technology creates more opportunities than it destroys.

   29. TDTim Dillon16:38

       I hope so, too.

   30. LFLex Fridman16:39

       And so in that sense, AI to me is a- an exciting possibility. But,

6. 16:46 – 22:54

   YouTube algorithm

   1. LFLex Fridman16:46

      you know, the challenges this world presents will create divisions, will create chaos and so on. So, I'm more focused on the way we deal as a society with that chaos, the way we talk to each other.

   2. TDTim Dillon16:59

      That's huge. That's huge.

   3. LFLex Fridman16:59

      The creating the platform that's healthy for that.

   4. TDTim Dillon17:01

      Now as a- as a comedian, creator, whatever you wanna call it, people that put out content, uh, the gatekeepers are now algorithmic, right? So, they are kind of almost AI ready. So if you are a person that puts out, you know, YouTube videos, podcasts, uh, e- whatever you're doing, um, you are- it used to be a guy in the back of the room with a cigar saying, "I like you," or, "Get him out of here." Now it's- it's algorithm you barely understand. Like I ta- I talk to people at YouTube, but I don't know if they understand-

   5. LFLex Fridman17:34

      Right.

   6. TDTim Dillon17:35

      ... the algorithm.

   7. LFLex Fridman17:35

      They don't.

   8. TDTim Dillon17:36

      They don't. And that's crazy.

   9. LFLex Fridman17:37

      It's just fascinating.

   10. TDTim Dillon17:38

       Yeah, it's fascinating 'cause I- I speak to people at YouTube and I go, "Hey, man, what's going on here?" One of my episode titles of my podcast was called Knife Fight in Malibu. It was about real estate-... and a- and it was because a realtor in Malibu, I was trying to get a summer rental which I can't really afford, but-

   11. LFLex Fridman17:53

       Yeah.

   12. TDTim Dillon17:53

       ... I- I don't- I don't think that's a huge problem. I- I, you know, I follow my dreams.

   13. LFLex Fridman17:57

       (laughs)

   14. TDTim Dillon17:57

       So, I called the realtor and she said, "Listen," she goes, "I don't know what the government's saying-"

   15. LFLex Fridman18:01

       Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon18:01

       ... but she goes, "It's a real knife fight out here." You know, an old grizzled woman. Real realtor-

   17. LFLex Fridman18:05

       Yeah.

   18. TDTim Dillon18:05

       ... tan skin, cig out the mouth-

   19. LFLex Fridman18:07

       Yeah.

   20. TDTim Dillon18:07

       ... driving a Porsche, you know?

   21. LFLex Fridman18:08

       Yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon18:08

       "It's a real knife fight out here."

   23. LFLex Fridman18:10

       (laughs)

   24. TDTim Dillon18:10

       You know, her entire life had become real estate, her soul had been hollowed out, her kids hate her.

   25. LFLex Fridman18:15

       Yeah.

   26. TDTim Dillon18:15

       You know? No one's made her come in years but it's just, she just loves heated kitchen floors-

   27. LFLex Fridman18:19

       She's fun, in other words.

   28. TDTim Dillon18:19

       ... and views. Fun.

   29. LFLex Fridman18:20

       Yeah.

   30. TDTim Dillon18:20

       She's a demon from hell and we need them.
7. 22:54 – 27:23

   Parler and Amazon

   1. TDTim Dillon22:54

      you know?

   2. LFLex Fridman22:55

      What do you think about this moment in history which was, uh, really troubling to me? We could talk about several troubling aspects but one is, um, Amazon removing Parler from AWS. To me-

   3. TDTim Dillon23:10

      Yeah.

   4. LFLex Fridman23:10

      ... that was the most clearly troubling. It felt like it created a more dangerous world when the infrastructure on which-

   5. TDTim Dillon23:21

      Yeah.

   6. LFLex Fridman23:21

      ... you have competing, uh, medium of communications now puts its finger on the scale, now influences who wins and who loses.

   7. TDTim Dillon23:30

      Absolutely. You're right. And what you're always told is like if you don't like Twitter create your own service.

   8. LFLex Fridman23:37

      Right.

   9. TDTim Dillon23:37

      Or if you don't like something you can do your own thing or if you are, uh, and- and- and basically because, you know, tech, you have to be in business with one of five companies and I think it's like Amazon, Facebook, Google, uh, YouTube and Twitter or whatever they're like, you know, I mean Amazon puts everything on the cloud. You know, Google and YouTube it's- it's all basically the SEO and the advertising and you got to get your name out there, you don't want to be buried and every... Like because you have to do business with a, you're, it's a cartel of these companies you understand it better than anybody, uh, that you are prevented...... truly. And I, I think, whatever you think about Parler, whatever you think about what people are saying on Parler, whatever you think about, uh, Alex Jones, whatever you thought about Milo Yiannopoulos, the state has an interest in, in, in, and has always had an interest, in, in crushing dissent. This is what the state has done. This is how they, r- r- you know, retain the p- the power they have, by eliminating dissent where they can. Now, because you don't have, you know, three broadcast networks anymore and a handful of newspapers that were all run, by the way, by people that had been either compromised or happily, you know, happily going with the program-

   10. LFLex Fridman24:48

       Mm-hmm.

   11. TDTim Dillon24:48

       ... and you have this Wild West of the internet, people like me, people that make f- I make funny content, that I hope is funny, but a lot of it is wild and crazy.

   12. LFLex Fridman24:59

       Yeah.

   13. TDTim Dillon24:59

       I say a lot of wild and crazy things. They're very funny. I say a lot of wild and crazy things about powerful people.

   14. LFLex Fridman25:05

       Yeah. You mock the powerful and thereby bringing them down a notch. We'll probably talk about it, but humor is one of the tools to-

   15. TDTim Dillon25:12

       Yeah.

   16. LFLex Fridman25:12

       ... to, to, to, uh, to balance the powers in, in society.

   17. TDTim Dillon25:17

       Well, sure. Or, and to make people feel better about things and to, you know, whatever the case may be, right? That's my goal, is to kind of like, "Hey, people have had a shitty day. If this video or podcast makes you laugh, that's great." I think that it won't ever, it was never gonna stop at Alex Jones. Not that I think he should've taken off everything the way he was. But this keeps going until we have sanitized all of social media. And they, uh, they, what they really want it to be is what Instagram's kind of becoming, which is a marketplace of, you could just go and buy sneakers, go buy a sweatshirt-

   18. LFLex Fridman25:51

       Right.

   19. TDTim Dillon25:51

       ... go buy jeans, go buy this, go buy that. And the idea of the free exchange of information seems to be the old internet. And it seems the new internet seems to be, uh, you know, hyper... And I'm a capitalist, but this seems to be, like, hyper-capitalist in the sense that, like-

   20. LFLex Fridman26:05

       Right.

   21. TDTim Dillon26:05

       ... they only want you consuming things and they don't want you thinking too much. And that seems to be where it's heading. I've even seen that with Instagram, where it's like everything on Instagram is like, "Buy a sweatshirt."

   22. LFLex Fridman26:18

       Yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon26:18

       You know? And you're, and I'm, I'm like, "Uh, uh, all right, man. Hey, man, if I want a sweatshirt, I'll get it. Like, relax."

   24. LFLex Fridman26:24

       (laughs)

   25. TDTim Dillon26:25

       You know? Just every ad-

   26. LFLex Fridman26:26

       Yeah.

   27. TDTim Dillon26:26

       ... seems to be, uh, encouraging consumption. But very few things seem geared towards, hey, let's have a dialogue or let's... And not that Instagram was ever great for that. But like, very few things are geared now towards content on Instagram. A lot of it seems geared towards shopping.

   28. LFLex Fridman26:44

       See, I, I don't know. That's an interesting point. I don't know if the consumerism that capitalism leads to is necessarily gets in the way of nuanced conversation. I feel like you could still sell Tim Dillon sweatshirts and have a difficult, nuanced conversation-

   29. TDTim Dillon26:59

       Sure.

   30. LFLex Fridman26:59

       ... or mock the, the current president, the previous president, mock the powerful, all that kind of stuff.
8. 27:23 – 29:59

   Social media

   1. TDTim Dillon27:23

      but what I tend to worry about with, uh, uh, I, I, I see social media and technology existing to flatten society. It makes people very boring.

   2. LFLex Fridman27:34

      Yeah.

   3. TDTim Dillon27:34

      All of the experiences kids have right now are online. Many of their closest friendships are online. Their first relationships are online. Uh, the culture is, is very homogenous. And that's, I think it's eliminating characters. It's eliminating interesting people. It's making people into AI. Uh, all of their tastes-

   4. LFLex Fridman27:53

      Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

   5. TDTim Dillon27:53

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   6. LFLex Fridman27:54

      AI could beat, uh, Charles Bukowski as well. Let's not get crazy.

   7. TDTim Dillon27:57

      It's not there yet, right?

   8. LFLex Fridman27:59

      Yes.

   9. TDTim Dillon27:59

      I mean, the $75,000 dog is not doing anything, you know. So-

   10. LFLex Fridman28:04

       Yeah.

   11. TDTim Dillon28:04

       ... we're not, we're not there yet. I, listen, I hate pe- I get why you like AI so much. I hate people too, and I'm very amenable to AI. And I, I, I agree with you. Like, listen, I think the future, n- we gotta get everyone out of here. I'm with you on that. So don't think I'm-

   12. LFLex Fridman28:17

       I love people. It's manipulating my mind-

   13. TDTim Dillon28:20

       I know.

   14. LFLex Fridman28:20

       ... and my, uh-

   15. TDTim Dillon28:20

       That's why the flash of light in your eyes when you talked about that dog-

   16. LFLex Fridman28:24

       Yeah.

   17. TDTim Dillon28:24

       ... was so much more than any person. And I get it, by the way.

   18. LFLex Fridman28:28

       You're right. I love people, but i- if we can just-

   19. TDTim Dillon28:30

       They're not exciting.

   20. LFLex Fridman28:30

       ... if we can just use robots to kill most of them-

   21. TDTim Dillon28:33

       Yeah.

   22. LFLex Fridman28:34

       ... I think that would be good for society.

   23. TDTim Dillon28:35

       And I am, I- I'm with that too. But, uh, I, I think that social media flattens people.

   24. LFLex Fridman28:40

       It's flattening the personalities, the characters.

   25. TDTim Dillon28:42

       Flatten personalities of people, man. And it's just, you know, when's the last time, like, I like the idea of like, you know, and I'm, uh, uh, you know, somebody's showing up to, uh, you know, high school with like a backpack and taking out an old CD and being like, "Hey, man, here's this band you've never heard of that I love," or whatever. "You gotta get into this." And I'm like, you know, when I talk to young... You know, I have friends that have younger brothers and everything. Every... And I know that the dominant culture was always dominant. I'm not an idiot. But like, I feel like it's harder to be unique and original now, because so much of, of what's promoted is just this way to kind of corral people into believing and thinking, uh, a certain set of ideals that's constantly shifting and evolving. And people are just caught up in that. And to me, it gets very boring, very quickly.

   26. LFLex Fridman29:27

       Yeah.

   27. TDTim Dillon29:27

       I hate being bored.

   28. LFLex Fridman29:28

       I don't-

   29. TDTim Dillon29:28

       And that's what it is.

   30. LFLex Fridman29:29

       I don't know what to do with that, because at the same time, podcasts are really popular. Long form podcasts are really popular-
9. 29:59 – 48:33

   Alex Jones

   1. TDTim Dillon29:59

      too.

   2. LFLex Fridman30:00

      Let's talk a bit about Alex Jones. Uh, so you've gotten a chance to talk to him while you were on the Joe Rogan experience.

   3. TDTim Dillon30:08

      I've talked, I've been on Alex's show. I've talked, I've had Alex on my show. I've talked to Alex for three hours in front of, I guess it was maybe like 15 million people, right, on Joe's show.

   4. LFLex Fridman30:19

      Yeah.

   5. TDTim Dillon30:19

      It was a really wild conversation. I think it was one of the coolest-... moments in broadcasting that, that I, I- clearly that I've ever been a part of. But I think it's, it goes in the lexicon of like these are big podcasts, like I think it's one of the biggest podcasts. A week before the election, Alex Jones... So, I'm really grateful that Joe gave me the opportunity to, to be there and I... It was just an amazing conversation to watch.

   6. LFLex Fridman30:41

      What was the shirt you wore at, uh, uh, Julian

   7. TDTim Dillon30:43

      Fregis Lane. It was a fun joke that no one in tech got because we all know how funny they are. Uh, but the tech writers, which is mainly blue-haired-

   8. LFLex Fridman30:50

      I do not agree with this statement that-

   9. TDTim Dillon30:51

      It's mainly blue-haired people whose, you know, goal in life is to find things to give them orgasms with, you know, without-

   10. LFLex Fridman30:57

       If you want to dye your hair blue, it's your choice.

   11. TDTim Dillon31:00

       Yeah.

   12. LFLex Fridman31:00

       I respect it.

   13. TDTim Dillon31:00

       It's... And by... Is it your choice?

   14. LFLex Fridman31:02

       (laughs)

   15. TDTim Dillon31:02

       But at the end of the day it's like, you know, all the tech writers, like a lot of people just... And I'm not, I'm just maligning tech unfairly, but a lot of people with that sense of humor were like, "He's advocating for human trafficker." I'm like, "It's clearly a joke because we're coming off the 'Believe all women'."

   16. LFLex Fridman31:16

       Yes.

   17. TDTim Dillon31:16

       We're coming off that and it's very funny to just say, "Fregis Lane, hey man, believe all women," like it's just... Our politics and our, and our public sphere is so schizophrenic right now that when you point that out, people are going to be angry with you. But that was a fun shirt to wear.

   18. LFLex Fridman31:31

       But on Alex, you know, I was one of the people that found him really entertaining that, that... The same kind of thing as with Bukowski, these kinds of personalities that are wild, crazy full of ideas, uh, they don't have to be grounded in truth at all or they can be grounded in truth a little bit. It... Like, he's just playing with ideas like a jazz musician, screaming sometimes, obviously has some demons, sometimes he's super angry for no reason whatsoever at some weird thing that he's constructed in his own head, sometimes he's super loving and peaceful as... Especially lately that I've heard him... I don't know if you've seen with, him with Michael Malice where he's doing a-

   19. TDTim Dillon32:11

       Yeah.

   20. LFLex Fridman32:11

       Like, uh, Malice was doing like... Well, telling Alex Jones, "I love you, Alex," you know, just this-

   21. TDTim Dillon32:17

       Yeah.

   22. LFLex Fridman32:17

       ... loving kind of softness and kindness underneath it all.

   23. TDTim Dillon32:21

       Yeah.

   24. LFLex Fridman32:21

       I don't know what to make of any of it. And then there's this huge number of people that tell me that Alex Jones is a... Is dangerous for society and-

   25. TDTim Dillon32:28

       Right.

   26. LFLex Fridman32:29

       So, what do you do with that? Do you think he's dangerous for society? Do you think he is one of the sort of entertaining personalities of our time that shouldn't be suppressed or somewhere in between?

   27. TDTim Dillon32:40

       I don't think that Alex per se is dangerous for society. I think the greater danger for society comes again from stifling all dissent, right? All... Like anybody with a voice that uses it to critiques the government-

   28. LFLex Fridman32:54

       Yeah.

   29. TDTim Dillon32:55

       ... and, and, and, and putting all of those people in a category and getting rid of them is incredibly dangerous. To me more so, I think the biggest problem that Alex has ever had was when he questioned the Sandy Hook shooting-

   30. LFLex Fridman33:08

       Right.
10. 48:33 – 53:12

    OJ Simpson

    1. TDTim Dillon48:33

    2. LFLex Fridman48:33

       Yeah, the thing that-... troubles me a lot is, you said, uh, nobody's asking why these beliefs are out there. But sometimes it's not even acknowledged that people are hurting, people are angry. Just even acknowledging that all the conspiracy theories that are out there, acknowledging that they're out there, and then people are thinking about it and talking about it. Just because otherwise... So it's not acknowledged in this nuanced way. What happens is you say, "Okay, 70 million people are white supremacists."

    3. TDTim Dillon49:07

       (laughs)

    4. LFLex Fridman49:07

       It's just throwing a kind of blanket statement, and of course that gets them angrier and more, makes them feel more powerless. And that ultimately that, that's what's been painful for me to see is that there's not an acknowledgement that most people are good.

    5. TDTim Dillon49:32

       Right.

    6. LFLex Fridman49:32

       It's, there's circumstances where it's just, you're pissed off. (laughs)

    7. TDTim Dillon49:37

       Right.

    8. LFLex Fridman49:37

       Because you were powerless. I mean, most of us are powerless actually.

    9. TDTim Dillon49:39

       You fall in, you could fall in with a bad crowd. That's the thing, you can just fall in.

    10. LFLex Fridman49:44

        Yeah.

    11. TDTim Dillon49:44

        And that doesn't mean that you're, you don't... there's not blame. You know, you're obviously, you're, you have agency, you're a person, you know. But the idea that like, you could be rehabilitated, you could do something stupid or you could fall into the great, you know, a group of people that are... and then in a few years you could go, "What the fuck was I doing?"

    12. LFLex Fridman50:01

        Yeah.

    13. TDTim Dillon50:01

        You know, I'm an ex-drug addict, I know what it's like to go from being one thing to being another thing, right? I'm still a drug... if I were to use drugs right now or drink, I would still be addicted to them, right? I mean, it's not something that I can ever change about myself, but I know what it's like to go from one thing to another thing. So when you look at racism or whatever ism, homophobia, misogyny, whatever, whatever you're looking at, anti-Semitism, and you go, "That's a fixed condition where nobody's ever going to be able to change. Nobody's ever gonna be able to be rehabilitated. Nobody's ever going to be able to reimagine themselves in a different way." To me, you're just, you're throwing away someone and you're making them feel helpless and worthless, um, and that's gonna lead to antisocial behavior that spills out into the violence. We don't have a very redemptive society.

    14. LFLex Fridman50:48

        Right.

    15. TDTim Dillon50:48

        That's a huge factor. We don't have a redemptive society. That's why I like O.J. Simpson, because O.J. Sim- yeah, yes, he did a bad thing, supposedly.

    16. LFLex Fridman50:58

        Allegedly, yeah.

    17. TDTim Dillon50:58

        But he's very kind now on Twitter, and he makes very nice points about how we all have to get involved in the political process, and he's on golf courses and I like watching people golf. I don't do it, but I like watching them do it and he's like an elder statesman 'cause I remember him from The Naked Gun, and I choose to forgive him, um, you know, for, for, for whatever happened there, which I don't know.

    18. LFLex Fridman51:20

        Right.

    19. TDTim Dillon51:21

        But, um, I choose to forgive him really for, I mean, obviously, you know, they say, what they say is he cut his wife's head off, but I, I can look past that-

    20. LFLex Fridman51:29

        Yeah.

    21. TDTim Dillon51:30

        ... and redeem him because he's very like stable on Twitter and he's a good like... I see all these people going crazy on Twitter and I'm like, there's maybe... O.J.'s lived a full life.

    22. LFLex Fridman51:40

        Mm-hmm.

    23. TDTim Dillon51:41

        And I think there's a benefit to that. There's a benefit to kind of living a full life.

    24. LFLex Fridman51:45

        Yeah, how many of us have not at least tried to murder somebody in our life?

    25. TDTim Dillon51:48

        100%. Listen, O.J.'s had the highs and the lows, but he did it on his terms.

    26. LFLex Fridman51:56

        (laughs)

    27. TDTim Dillon51:56

        And there's a real-

    28. LFLex Fridman51:57

        It's like a Frank Sinatra song, you know.

    29. TDTim Dillon51:59

        Yeah, he did it my way. I mean, like there, there's a benefit to that, and he seems like a very well-adjusted person now. So, I mean, I don't know. How is, how is that a fact? But it is a fact, and that's an uncomfortable fact.

    30. LFLex Fridman52:09

        Well, this is (laughs) a strong case for forgiveness in, uh, in one of the more extreme cases, I suppose. Uh, but yeah, there's not a process of forgiveness. It seems like people just take a single event from your... or sometimes a single statement from your past and use that as a, uh, categorical like capture of the essence of this particular human being. So murder might be a thing that you should get a timeout for, a little-
11. 53:12 – 59:43

    Politics

    1. TDTim Dillon53:12

       we might.

    2. LFLex Fridman53:12

       Speaking of fun people, you've, uh, your politics have been all over the place. Uh-

    3. TDTim Dillon53:17

       I hope so. I hope so.

    4. LFLex Fridman53:19

       I mean, that's-

    5. TDTim Dillon53:20

       Imagine not, imagine someone whose politics weren't all over the place. It would seem odd.

    6. LFLex Fridman53:26

       Right, like you're s-

    7. TDTim Dillon53:26

       In the 10 years that I've been politically conscious, just 'cause I'm, you know, 35 and twi- no, I've probably been conscious for over two decades, but like, Democrats have become Republicans, Republicans have become Democrats. I remember when Ann Coulter said, "We need to..." He defended George W. Bush when he said, "We need to go out and Christianize or, you know, modernize the Arab world. We need to democratize the Arab world." And then Ann Coulter, uh, backed Donald Trump and the, the, the... all, all the right wing in America believed in nation building, they believed in going out and, uh, de- democratizing areas that might breed radical terrorists, whether it was Iraq or wherever you were going, toppling regimes and instituting new democratic norms in those countries. That was the right wing point of view when I grew up. Then the right wing switched to, "We are going to be isolationist. We're gonna take care of America first and foremost, we're not gonna go into other countries." And then the Democrats, who when I grew up were doves and ha- and, and, and the right wing people were more hawkish, and the Democrats were like, "The military solutions aren't the way. We need to have multilateral diplomatic coalitions to solve all the problems."

    8. LFLex Fridman54:31

       Yeah.

    9. TDTim Dillon54:32

       Now, you know, Rachel Maddow's like, "Let's nuke Russia," every night on-... MSNBC, the Democrats are like, "We need, we need strong presence in Syria. We need a strong presence. We need to counter Putin all over the globe. We need to count-" So they're more hawkish on things. So, literally I have watched two political parties literally flip.

    10. LFLex Fridman54:53

        Yeah.

    11. TDTim Dillon54:54

        And it's crazy to watch.

    12. LFLex Fridman54:55

        And in some sense I've watched that as well because I, when I first saw Barack Obama, I admired that he was against the war. This was whatever, uh, when he, maybe before he was a senator, he spoke out against the Iraq war.

    13. TDTim Dillon55:09

        Right.

    14. LFLex Fridman55:10

        And, and then he, you know ... It doesn't feel like, uh, it feels like his administration was more hawkish than, than dovish in-

    15. TDTim Dillon55:22

        Right.

    16. LFLex Fridman55:22

        ... a sense with the, with all the drone attacks, with the sort of inability to pull back or at least en masse officially pull back from all the military involvement that we have all over the world.

    17. TDTim Dillon55:34

        Right.

    18. LFLex Fridman55:35

        So, yeah, and just the language.

    19. TDTim Dillon55:36

        What I think is interesting about that-

    20. LFLex Fridman55:37

        Yeah.

    21. TDTim Dillon55:37

        What's interesting about Obama, because he's a very interesting study, is that presidents are controlled in very different ways, right? You know, presidents can be controlled by different factors, power factions within Washington.

    22. LFLex Fridman55:50

        Right.

    23. TDTim Dillon55:51

        You know, I think one of the reasons that, uh, Obama was maybe, you know, he had a very close relationship with John Brennan who was the CIA director. And Obama was very close with John Brennan and Obama was very, you know, um, you know, I think, uh, malleable to the extent that, you know, the CIA ... And I've had CIA agents on my show. John Kiriakou, a guy who went to jail for exposing torture, was saying that like, "You know, you get into the Oval Office, all the sudden you're having the presidential daily briefing every day and the intelligence people come in and they go, 'Listen man, I mean, we're, there's gonna be a terrorist attack on your watch if you don't do X, Y, and Z.'" They go, "We have ..." You know, they call it, they call it like blue book information, which is five levels above top secret. And they go like, "Hey man, a guy in, uh, a guy in, uh, Iran in a café said he's blowing everything up next week." And you don't ... I mean, it's the same thing as parlor. You don't know if it's true or not.

    24. LFLex Fridman56:39

        Right.

    25. TDTim Dillon56:40

        But now the president's making decision on usually a lot of uncorroborated intelligence that goes into a- a- a presentation for the president where you're just terrified every day and you don't want a terrorist attack on your watch. Now, so why are they getting all this information? Because a lot of the people in Washington have an interest in perpetual, constant, ongoing warfare.

    26. LFLex Fridman56:59

        Right.

    27. TDTim Dillon57:00

        And there's a lot of financial gain to be had from that. So they're sneaking their information into the presentations that are going to the president, and then the president is now behaving and going, "Fuck, I don't want a bomb going off. We gotta do what we gotta do." And whatever version of that happens, that is really kind of what is happening. Whereas the presidents are being controlled by forces that are outside of the political sphere, but very much still in it, and they have a lot of power. That's what the deep state is. You know, Trump, there's a lot of ridiculing Trump of going, "The deep state doesn't exist." It absolutely exists. There's been books about it written by liberal journalists. The deep state is only a term for unelected, largely-

    28. LFLex Fridman57:41

        Mm-hmm.

    29. TDTim Dillon57:42

        ... power factions in Washington, DC that outlive any presidential administration. These are people that might work at the State Department. They might work at the Defense Department. Uh, these aren't people that are not always working officially in any government capacity.

    30. LFLex Fridman57:57

        Mm-hmm.
12. 59:43 – 1:06:59

    Donald Trump

    1. TDTim Dillon59:43

    2. LFLex Fridman59:43

       So amidst this, uh, fun exploration in your mind through the political landscape that you've done over the past, uh, uh, couple day- uh, decade that you've been conscious politically, where does Donald Trump fit into this picture for you? Is, um, is-

    3. TDTim Dillon1:00:01

       Great question. Well, he didn't, right? 'Cause we didn't, he wasn't political until four years ago, right? He got, he got political very quickly before. I mean, he was always firing off crazy tweets about where Obama was born and whatever-

    4. LFLex Fridman1:00:13

       Yeah.

    5. TDTim Dillon1:00:14

       ... but he was, he got into politics like very quickly and then he became the president, right? So it was like we didn't ... I knew him as Donald Trump, this crazy New York City character, the host of The Apprentice. Um, I didn't think much about him. He was just constant, you know? Like he was just, just this constant figure. It's like, I don't think much about Warren Buffett. Like I know like Trump's like he's married to a new showgirl all the time and he's always opening another casino and...... he's on TV.

    6. LFLex Fridman1:00:41

       Wait, Warren Buffett, really?

    7. TDTim Dillon1:00:42

       No, Trump. Trump.

    8. LFLex Fridman1:00:42

       Oh, Trump. Okay.

    9. TDTim Dillon1:00:43

       But, like, Warren Buffett is the opposite, right?

    10. LFLex Fridman1:00:44

        Yeah.

    11. TDTim Dillon1:00:44

        Warren Buffett's, like, been married for about a million years.

    12. LFLex Fridman1:00:47

        Yeah.

    13. TDTim Dillon1:00:47

        Lives in a little house in Omaha. But these are the, that's what I associate with Trump. Like, I don't think about Warren Buffett.

    14. LFLex Fridman1:00:51

        All right.

    15. TDTim Dillon1:00:52

        I don't think about these people. They're just guys that I've known forever that have, like, um, you know, a, uh, you know, uh, you associate certain things with them, right? And Trump we always associated with kind of vulgar, garish, new money, billionaire, married a lot, you know, casinos, Miss Universe pageants. But again, you know, but it makes perfect sense that he, he really, um, was able to become president at the moment where we were had, we were about to have Hillary Clinton versus Jeb Bush. And I think Americans felt like this is, "Now the oligarchy is spitting right in our face. You're not even making it feel like, uh, there's an appearance of democracy. We have two crime families vying for control of the country every four years." And then there was this rogue kind of upstart guy that was really about himself. You know, Trump doesn't really care that much about the p- I mean, really was summarized perfectly when he left and he just said, "Hey, have a good life."

    16. LFLex Fridman1:01:48

        (laughs)

    17. TDTim Dillon1:01:48

        That's what he said before he got on Andrews Air Force Base.

    18. LFLex Fridman1:01:51

        Have a good life.

    19. TDTim Dillon1:01:51

        If you watch the speech, he goes, "Hey, have a good life." That's what he really feel. Like, "Hey, have a good life. I'm, I'm gonna get on a plane right now and fly to a castle I own in, uh, Mar-a-Lago, in Florida, and really I'm not gonna think too much about you people outside of how I can get more attention in the future."

    20. LFLex Fridman1:02:12

        Can I ask you, like, a therapy question?

    21. TDTim Dillon1:02:14

        Yes.

    22. LFLex Fridman1:02:14

        What is your favorite and least favorite quality of Donald Trump?

    23. TDTim Dillon1:02:21

        So my least favorite quality of Donald Trump, I think, because there's, there's a few of them, uh, his lack of empathy, complete and total lack of empathy. I don't feel that he cares about human-

    24. LFLex Fridman1:02:37

        Yeah.

    25. TDTim Dillon1:02:37

        ... beings on any level, and I feel like that's maybe or should be a requirement, right?

    26. LFLex Fridman1:02:43

        (laughs)

    27. TDTim Dillon1:02:43

        (laughs) I mean, I don't think-

    28. LFLex Fridman1:02:44

        Yeah.

    29. TDTim Dillon1:02:44

        ... he cares. I think it's obvious that he doesn't care. I mean, he sent, you know, basically he's saying like, "They're in there, Mike Pence is in there." He knows that his people are going to get, try to get into the Capitol. I mean, those motherfuckers are not gonna have jobs, they're gonna go to federal prison, and he doesn't care.

    30. LFLex Fridman1:03:00

        He doesn't care.
13. 1:06:59 – 1:14:35

    Humor

    1. TDTim Dillon1:06:59

       doing that. Part of, part of the problem is that so many of the lines are blurred, right? So you have comedians that are commentators, and commentators that are comedians, and politicians

    2. LFLex Fridman1:07:08

       Mm-hmm.

    3. TDTim Dillon1:07:08

       ... and f- so it's like, it's harder to take the defense of like, "Hey, I'm a comedian, leave me alone."

    4. LFLex Fridman1:07:11

       Right.

    5. TDTim Dillon1:07:11

       That defense becomes harder when like, all of these lines are blurring. Everybody's kind of everything now. So like, people say to me, "You should run for office." And they're serious. And I'm like, "You're crazy." But they're ser- like, so the blurring of everything means that people aren't in their lanes as much, and that you go, "Well this guy is dangerous because he's not just making a joke, he's doing something else, and he's using humor." And I'm like, "I'm really not, I'm really just trying to make a joke. That's all, that's really what I'm trying to do." But I do think that because of the flattening, uh, there's a lot of people out there that go, they take aim at humor, because they go, "Humor is where bad ideas can kind of, you know, start and flourish."

    6. LFLex Fridman1:07:54

       But don't you, uh, to put some, uh, responsibility on you, uh-

    7. TDTim Dillon1:07:57

       Yeah.

    8. LFLex Fridman1:07:58

       ... don't you think humor is a way to, uh, that you are the modern, like, Jordan Peterson style intellectual? That humor is actually a tool of-

    9. TDTim Dillon1:08:08

       It can be.

    10. LFLex Fridman1:08:08

        ... changing the side, guys changing the social norms.

    11. TDTim Dillon1:08:10

        It absolutely can be, but it also cannot be. I don't think it's any one thing, and I think there's a lot of pressure, uh, for a comedian. You can be funny and right, you can be funny and wrong. Uh, if your goal is to be right, you might end up being right and not funny.

    12. LFLex Fridman1:08:25

        Right.

    13. TDTim Dillon1:08:25

        Uh, so the reality is funny has to come first. There are brilliant people that have been funny and, and correct according to people, right? But, uh, at the end of the day, people that put way too much faith in what comedy is, most of what comedy is, is people showing up to strip malls and, and, and telling jokes for an hour while people eat chicken fingers, and they all get drunk, and they laugh, and they feel a little bit better about their lives. That's really the majority of comedy. Then there's like 10 famous people that are really famous that do a version of that in a, in an arena. But the amount of cultural power they have is always been greatly exaggerated. My uncles loved George Carlin, who was anti-military industrial complex, anti this, anti that, and then they would go vote for Ronald Reagan. They didn't care. It doesn't, it doesn't really, it doesn't, it's not as powerful as you think. I wish it was. It feels good. It feels good for me to say, "I am the new thing." It really isn't.

    14. LFLex Fridman1:09:19

        Yeah.

    15. TDTim Dillon1:09:19

        It truly isn't. No one is a, comedians are the people that get on stage and say, "We're fucked up. We're, we're, we're, we're drug addicts, we're sex addicts, we're fat, we're gross, we can't manage our money, we can't stop eating, we can't stop fucking doing horrible things, we're liars, we're narcissists, we're scumbags." We're the people that get out and say that. Only a psychopath would look at us and go, "Show me the way." Like, it's not-

    16. LFLex Fridman1:09:43

        I disagree with you, 'cause-

    17. TDTim Dillon1:09:44

        Well-

    18. LFLex Fridman1:09:45

        ... then I'm s- then I'm a psychopath, because-

    19. TDTim Dillon1:09:46

        Well, and that's, that's-

    20. LFLex Fridman1:09:48

        ... that's another issue. That's, that's-

    21. TDTim Dillon1:09:48

        I mean, I don't think, I don't think... No pushback here.

    22. LFLex Fridman1:09:51

        That's (laughs) that's another issue. Uh-

    23. TDTim Dillon1:09:54

        But you know what I'm saying.

    24. LFLex Fridman1:09:55

        ... but well, and I don't because, uh, I mean, I, I understand you using this as a psychological tool for yourself to give yourself freedom.

    25. TDTim Dillon1:10:03

        Yes.

    26. LFLex Fridman1:10:03

        But the reality is, you are one of the rare comedians, like a George Carlin, who is-

    27. TDTim Dillon1:10:08

        Wow.

    28. LFLex Fridman1:10:08

        ... besides being funny-

    29. TDTim Dillon1:10:10

        Yeah. When I hear things like that I'm like, "Okay, you're being very sweet," but like, I agree, I understand what you're saying.

    30. LFLex Fridman1:10:14

        Yeah.
14. 1:14:35 – 1:21:04

    QAnon

    1. TDTim Dillon1:14:35

       you know?

    2. LFLex Fridman1:14:35

       Speaking about the world being, uh, completely fucked, uh, Alex Jones turned on QAnon. I, I know almost nothing-

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