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In today’s episode, you’re going to hear a conversation that will help you find meaning again - especially if you’ve been feeling lost, stuck, stretched thin, or quietly wondering, “Does any of this even matter?”
Joining Mel is Ocean Vuong - one of the most acclaimed writers of our time and the bestselling author of On Earth We’re Briefly Gorgeous.
His newest book, The Emperor of Gladness, moved Mel so deeply she knew she had to bring him on the podcast - because Ocean has a rare gift: he puts words to feelings you’ve had, but never knew how to say out loud.
Ocean is an award-winning poet, a MacArthur Fellowship “Genius Grant” recipient, and a professor at NYU. He writes and speaks about grief, love, identity, hardship, and hope with an honesty that doesn’t just hit… it stays with you.
This episode is an invitation to pause, reset, and reconnect with yourself. It will help you stop judging where you are, release the pressure you’re carrying, and remember that you don’t need to become someone else to be worthy - or to build a meaningful life.
Even if you’ve never read Ocean’s work, this conversation will feel like someone finally handed you the words you’ve been searching for.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
-How to find meaning even when you behind in life
-How to move through grief without shutting down and let beauty exist alongside pain
-Why chasing who you “should” be is keeping you stuck and how to come back to yourself
-How to reconnect with yourself when you’ve been in survival mode for too long
-How to feel calmer and more grounded when life feels uncertain
- How to reprogram your mind for more positive thinking
By the end of this episode, you’ll feel more hopeful, more centered, and more at peace with where you are - with permission to be exactly who you are, right now.
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In this episode:
00:00 Meet the Guest
02:01 The Power of Language
07:03 The Effects of Growing Up in Poverty
14:25 How to Turn Shame Into Motivation
25:56 How to Make The Most of Your Life
44:11 Reconnect With Your Younger Self & Get Clear on Your Intentions
53:32 Fear of Humiliation: Gen Z and Self-Censorship
1:00:04 The Moments That Actually Matter at the End of Your Life
1:11:42 Kindness vs Empathy
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