The Science of Your Gut: 3 Easy Steps to Reduce Bloating, Improve Digestion, and Feel Better Today

Mel Robbins 0:03 I am so fricking bloated right now, I'm uncomfortable. On Monday, I put the red pants on, they felt great. On Tuesday, they felt great. Wednesday, they felt great. On Thursday, they felt great. Friday, not so great, everybody (laughs) . I mean, this poor button is hanging on by a thread. I was just about to google, "How do you get rid of a bloat? Five-day reset." And I thought, "Mel, what are you doing? Why don't you call Dr. Amy Shaw?"

Dr. Amy Shah 0:31 The biggest tip when you're feeling bloated or distended is...

Narrator 0:38 (Music)

Mel Robbins 0:38 Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. Today, you and I are going to talk about something that we have all experienced. Maybe you're experiencing it at this very moment. What is the topic? We're talking about bloating. And there's a particular reason why I wanted to talk about bloating today, and the reason is simple. I am so fricking bloated right now, I'm uncomfortable. See, here's what happened. The last couple weeks, I have been, um, on the road for work, and I've been going from one city to the next city, and I've been giving speeches and having business meetings, and it's been really great. And I want to tell you a little secret. This is like a travel secret, little travel tip, that when I travel for work, I always just travel with a carry-on. And you may be asking yourself, "Well, Mel, if you have been traveling for two weeks, how the heck can you go to multiple cities with a carry-on?" Well, the secret is simple. I wear the same outfit (laughs) to every speech and every business meeting. I swear to God, I travel with a uniform. And if you ever look at any of the stories on Instagram, you will notice, wow, Mel always has on the same pair of red pants and the black shirt whenever she's giving her speech. It's true. I have this stretchy pair of red pants that I love that are made out of polyester, and I have this great black Oxford shirt that is also made out of polyester, and I wear it on stage, and I wear it to business meetings, and it looks fantastic. And the other thing that's fantastic about polyester is that when you get to a hotel room, if you hang a polyester pair of pants up in a shower, and you run a shower, within about 15 minutes, the steam of a shower in a hotel room cleans it like a dry cleaner. Absolutely fabulous. So here I am, I'm on the road, and I've got my red polyester pants. And on Monday, I put the red pants on. They felt great. On Tuesday, I'm in Nashville to give a speech, put the red polyester pant, they felt great. Wednesday,

Mel Robbins 2:37 put the red polyester pants on in Chicago, they felt great. On Thursday, I put the red polyester pants on in Orlando for a speech. They felt great. Friday, when I put the red polyester pants on, not so great, everybody (laughs) . I mean, I couldn't button them. And when I looked down, I realized... I have the pants here. You can see them if you look at YouTube. This poor button is hanging on by a thread for dear life. Like, I'm talking, it has a singular thread, because the tension on the waistband on this poor little button over the course of the last week has basically acted like a saw, slowly sawing apart the, the, the, the, the, you know, threads that were attaching the button to the pants. That button was the hardest working person in my company for the last five days. And I don't know what happened, because I take care of myself when I'm on the road. It's not like I'm downing Jim Beam or I'm, like, out late. I get a great night's sleep. I travel with friends. We're having a lot of fun. I love what I'm doing. But I kid you not, I will show you photos of me on that Friday. I look like I'm in the second trimester of a pregnancy. I have a food baby that looks like a basketball right in my stomach. And here's the thing. I know that I didn't gain weight. I mean, because you can't gain seven to 10 pounds in five days. But somehow, I gained the equivalent of that in bloating. And so I finally got home here, and I'm like, "I have to figure out what to do, because I am either going to be belching for two weeks or farting this out. And neither one is a great option, and I feel terrible, and I don't want to wear sweatpants for the next, I don't know, four weeks while I'm waiting for the bloating to go down." And so I was just about to google, "How do you get rid of a bloat? Five-day reset?" And I thought, "Mel, what are you doing? Why don't you call Dr. Amy Shaw?" I mean, Dr. Amy Shaw, as you probably know, if you're a listener to the Mel Robbins podcast, she's been on this twice before. She is a double board-certified medical doctor in the field of allergies, immunology, and internal medicine. She graduated magna cum laude from Cornell University's world-renowned School of Nutrition. She went on to receive her doctorate with distinction. She's trained at Harvard, at Columbia, and she is on the front line of nutritional and medical science. She's been on this show before. She's incredible. And her bestselling book, I'm So F***ing Hungry: Why We Crave What We Crave and What To Do About It, it is the manual on trying to balance your hormones and understand the science of nutrition so that you can curb your cravings. And I'm like, "What are you doing? Why are you going to google when you can get Dr. Shaw on and Dr. Shaw can explain h- what is bloating, why does it happen, and more importantly, what is the protocol?" Like, what could you do in, let's say, five days? Is there a five-day reset that you and I could follow so that whenever you feel bloated......because of what you ate or because of stress, or because of whatever the heck is going on, you know what to do. And so that's what we're doing today. And I also know that this conversation, we're planning on releasing it right during the holidays, and so you're gonna be in the thick of it. You're gonna be in the thick of all those amazing meals, and the stress of the holidays, and the drinking, and the travel, and the this and the that. And so wherever it is that you're coming to this conversation,

Mel Robbins 6:29 we got a seat at the table for you. And you can have your pants buttoned or not. You can have on your red pants with your food baby. You can have on your soft pants, with your sweatpants on. Everybody is welcome here, because every single one of us at some point in our lives feels bloated. And for me, it's today. And what we're gonna do today is we're gonna hear from the amazing Dr. Amy Shah. What are we gonna do about this? So please help me welcome Dr. Amy Shah back to the Mel Robbins podcast.

Dr. Amy Shah 7:01 So grateful to be here with you, Mel.

Mel Robbins 7:03 Can we just start with what the heck is bloating?

Dr. Amy Shah 7:07 Bloating is so many things. It's the feeling of distension in your abdomen,

Dr. Amy Shah 7:12 but everybody thinks it's just from gas. Yes, it is from gas, but it can also be from your hormones. It can be like water retention. Um, it can be from medications causing discomfort. It can be just from being constipated. You know, we all go through that where we're bloated, not 'cause there's gas, but there's actual stool in there.

Mel Robbins 7:30 Ooh.

Dr. Amy Shah 7:30 Um, so, (laughs) and then menopause bloating, right? That's like even more so than the regular PMS bloating. There's a whole menopause bloating. Uh, so we have... And there's so many other causes of bloating. So it's not just you ate too much or you ate too many Brussels sprouts or broccoli, which we can talk about. It's also, um, it can be from so many other things.

Mel Robbins 7:54 Well, you said a big word just a minute ago. You said distended.

Dr. Amy Shah 7:58 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 7:58 That bloating is when you, your stomach is disten- What does that word mean?

Dr. Amy Shah 8:05 So when your belly is pushing out, so from the inside. So you can have, like I said, it can be from stool, it can be from air, it can be from hormones causing water retention. And we all know how, I don't know about you, but when right before my period, I look like I'm pregnant. Okay? So all of that is distension inside. So this could be the wall of the intestines, like swollen-

Mel Robbins 8:30 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Amy Shah 8:30 ...or it could be there's gas inside, or it could be there's-

Mel Robbins 8:32 Hm.

Dr. Amy Shah 8:32 ...stool or food inside, and that's why it's distended. Uh, so there's so many different ways, but it feels kind of the same.

Mel Robbins 8:40 That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for explaining that, because I'm trying to really help myself and anyone listening tease out the difference between, "Oh, my habits have changed and I'm gaining a lot of weight." Versus, "Oh, I've got something going on where from the inside out," it's almost like, "I feel like somebody has blown a balloon up inside of me-

Dr. Amy Shah 9:05 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 9:05 ...full of something." I know this might sound like an insensitive question, but I have to ask this.

Dr. Amy Shah 9:11 (laughs)

Mel Robbins 9:11 (laughs) How, how do you know if you're

Mel Robbins 9:13 bloated-

Dr. Amy Shah 9:14 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 9:14 ...versus you've just let your, uh, eating slide and-

Dr. Amy Shah 9:18 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 9:19 ...you are gaining weight?

Dr. Amy Shah 9:21 Yeah. It's hard to tell sometimes the difference, right? Because, you know, you go on a week-long binge, uh, it's say the holidays or you're on vacation, and you come back and it's almost like a combination of multiple things. You're retaining water because you traveled a lot, you drank a lot, maybe you ate a lot of salt, and then your gut bacteria are mad at you. Remember there is this world that lives inside your gut called the microbiome, and they're just mad and they're producing all this gas to let you know that they're mad. Um, and then you probably ate a lot of excess calories, uh, for that period of time. So, it could be a combination of all three. And you won't know until you start to reset your gut what is actually happening 'cause the water weight will go away pretty quick.

Mel Robbins 10:10 Yeah.

Dr. Amy Shah 10:10 Um, you know, if you're constipated, pretty much hopefully can resolve that. And then once you get your diet back on track, you might notice that the scale is starting to go down. So, all of these things start to resolve themselves together.

Mel Robbins 10:24 You know, why don't I back up a minute, because here's what I'm starting to wonder. I, in, in reaching out to you, um, Dr. Shah, I had a food baby. I could not button my pants, and it happened so fast over the course of five days that I knew that this was bloating.

Dr. Amy Shah 10:44 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 10:44 But can you explain what are the symptoms that might surprise someone to hear that you may be bloated and dealing with extra gas or really

Mel Robbins 10:58 mad gut bacteria?

Dr. Amy Shah 11:00 Um, you're burping a lot. Um, obviously farting-

Mel Robbins 11:06 Yeah.

Dr. Amy Shah 11:06 ...because farting and bloating go really hand in hand. You're constipated. Um, that's a good sign. That's not a good sign, but that's a sign that you are bloated, uh, 'cause often when you have a lot of gas in your intestines, you can't push that stool out, um, and you might not just be bloated in your gut. You might be one of those people who's retaining fluid everywhere. Have you ever had that issue where your rings don't fit anymore, or your bracelets get tight, or your shoes feel like they're like getting tight? That's basically what's happening in your intestines is happening all over your body. So that's another sign that this could be bloating and, uh, water retention, and not necessarily like you gained a bunch of weight.

Mel Robbins 11:52 Huh? Well, um, I wanna tell you a couple things. Number one, I don't ever sleep with jewelry on because my hands swell so much. And same thing when I exercise, like if I'm gonna go out for a long walk-

Dr. Amy Shah 12:07 Yes.

Mel Robbins 12:07 ...I don't wear my rings 'cause my hands swell.And at the end of

Mel Robbins 12:11 the day, my feet are typically like a half size larger. I never thought that that could be a sign of bloating, and, or a sign that my body is, uh-

Dr. Amy Shah 12:21 Inflamed.

Mel Robbins 12:22 Inflamed.

Dr. Amy Shah 12:23 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 12:24 Um, and then the other thing I'll tell you is just a quick story, because it might help you listening to start to discern what you may be dealing with. I'd say about six years ago when our daughter Kendall was in high school, she always was a big burper. Like, just these deep, just loud kind of (burps) kind of burps. And she was such a little thing that it was so shocking how loud these burps were. And we, and it was almost like a joke in our family. Kendall!

Dr. Amy Shah 12:55 (laughs)

Mel Robbins 12:55 And then she started to say, "Dr. Shah," she would go, "I feel so fat." She was not using the B word, she was using, "I feel so fat, so fat." And because she was so thin, I thought, "Oh my God, she's got body dysmorphia." So, I took her to a therapist because I thought as she is, you know, saying she feels fat, and I'm looking at her, and I'm like, "Uh, you don't look fat to me. You look pretty darn skinny." This therapist said, "I think you should get her gut tested, 'cause I think she's dealing with disordered eating. I think she's got body dysmorphia." She says, "No, no, no, you should get her gut tested." It turns out when they tested her gut that she was missing all, all of the good bacteria in her gut. And that what was happening is the food would go down her mouth and down esoph- and down into the stomach, and all of a sudden it would hit her stomach, and because she had literally no good gut bacteria, the food sat and rotted.

Dr. Amy Shah 13:54 Hmm.

Mel Robbins 13:54 And so, the burping was from rotting food. I know, it's disgusting. And the, and the, the belching, the constant b- well, that's, the constant belching was her trying to relieve the pressure, and her saying, "I feel fat, I feel fat, I feel fat," was really her trying to explain, "I am bloated." And so, we went and did this protocol of resetting her gut microbiome, and all the symptoms disappeared. And so, this is a very real thing that you may be dealing with and be s- feeling symptoms other than a food baby, and your gut health is really the issue that's causing all this. Because, you know, I was explaining earlier that I really wanted to talk to you because I had been traveling for the last couple weeks, and I wear the same

Mel Robbins 14:42 pair of pants. That's my little travel secret, I wear the same outfit everywhere I go. And so, the pants that I was wearing on Monday fit, they fit on Tuesday, they fit on Wednesday, they fit on Thursday. Although, I'll tell you, that poor little button holding my red pants together was the hardest working person in the room.

Dr. Amy Shah 15:02 (laughs)

Mel Robbins 15:02 I have my little red pants right here.

Dr. Amy Shah 15:04 Oh, do you have them?

Mel Robbins 15:05 Um, but by Friday, I had a food baby.

Dr. Amy Shah 15:08 Yeah. (laughs)

Mel Robbins 15:08 Like, I literally looked like I was six to seven months pregnant. It was a balloon coming out, and I had to do the trick where you shove it, you unbutton your pants and you stick a rubber band through the opening-

Dr. Amy Shah 15:21 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 15:21 ... and hook it to extend your pants. And I thought, "Okay, I can't gain seven pounds in five days, because I can't lose seven pounds in five days," right? Like, this is not just a norm-

Dr. Amy Shah 15:34 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 15:35 So, maybe what we should talk about since you're basically saying when you're bloated, your gut bacteria's mad at you.

Dr. Amy Shah 15:42 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 15:42 Right? I mean, that's kind of the b- is that the basic thing that's going on here?

Dr. Amy Shah 15:45 Uh, it, it is the basic thing that's going on. The, that gut hormone immune connection, I mean, that is, when that's off balance, you get all these symptoms. People think, "Oh my God, it's hormone bloating," or, "Oh my God, it's, um, coming from something else." But really, it's because your gut bacteria are not happy. It's not that, it's not only related to food. It can be related to other things.

Mel Robbins 16:10 Okay.

Dr. Amy Shah 16:10 But when they're not happy, they're gonna let you know.

Mel Robbins 16:13 Okay. Like, what foods actually could bloat you?

Dr. Amy Shah 16:16 Okay. Well, first of all, I want to give you the biggest tip, just to take a step back, the biggest tip when

Dr. Amy Shah 16:22 you're feeling bloated or distended is don't wear those red pants with the button on them.

Mel Robbins 16:28 (laughs)

Dr. Amy Shah 16:29 (laughs) Like, I, I can't tell you how many times I've traveled and, you know, you get bloated because of, um, the change in the air pressure. You're not, um, you're not able to go to the bathroom for a couple of days. It's like, all of these things. Um, you need stretchy pants for your travel. You need to swap those red pants out for something a little, with a little more give. And I get it, like, it's nice to wear some tight-fitted pants, especially if like, you know, you want to, uh, look cute, but for the travel day, wear the stretch pants, okay?

Mel Robbins 17:01 Got it.

Dr. Amy Shah 17:01 That's- (laughs)

Mel Robbins 17:01 Okay, first of all, ladies and gentlemen-

Dr. Amy Shah 17:04 (laughs)

Mel Robbins 17:04 ... let's give a round of applause for Triple Bird certified Dr. Amy Shah-

Dr. Amy Shah 17:08 (laughs)

Mel Robbins 17:09 ... who just told us all soft pants, people. Soft pants. You're traveling, you're feeling bloated, let's get rid of the zippers and the buttons. Soft pants.

Dr. Amy Shah 17:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Mel Robbins 17:18 So, I got it, I'm taking it away, I am following it.

Dr. Amy Shah 17:21 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 17:21 And where, where, like, you've talked about the intestines and the stomach. W- is there, is that where this is happening, or are there other parts of your body involved when bloat is happening to you?

Dr. Amy Shah 17:33 Yeah. Uh, from the minute you take food in, right, you're chewing your food-

Mel Robbins 17:38 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Amy Shah 17:39 ... the bloating can start to happen there. You know, you all, we all know with gum, with, um, sparkling drinks, these are foods that can cause bloating because you're swallowing a lot of air, uh-

Mel Robbins 17:49 Wait, what?

Dr. Amy Shah 17:50 ... from the time you put it in your mouth. Did you know this?

Mel Robbins 17:52 Gum causes bloating?

Dr. Amy Shah 17:53 Yeah. Did you not know this?

Mel Robbins 17:55 No.

Dr. Amy Shah 17:56 So-

Mel Robbins 17:56 Sparkling beverages causes bloating?

Dr. Amy Shah 17:59 Yeah. (laughs) Um-

Mel Robbins 18:01 What?

Dr. Amy Shah 18:03 I, I didn't, I didn't... So yeah, you need to know this. This is why I to- I'm telling you, this is the reset. So, sugar-free gum, which is all gum now, right? You can't really get gum, I think Bazooka used to be like, our gum when we were younger-

Mel Robbins 18:17 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Amy Shah 18:17 ... that had real sugar, but now it's all sugar substitute gum. And those sugar substitutes are very irritating, um, to our gut bacteria. And just the act of swallowing a lot of air-...you know, or ch- chewing gum, um, can kind of push that air down into, all the way. It's one tube, right? So from your mouth, to the esophagus, to the stomach, to the small intestine, and the large intestine. So it's all one tube, so it can start from up there. Then you have people like us, who are always in a rush and always eating too fast. And so it can even be an issue with just eating too fast, and it's going through that one system, that one tube from your mouth to your anus too fast, and you're not taking breaks, and you're not chewing enough. And so it starts with, it's not just a particular food, it's just that you're eating food too fast, right? And then you have foods like the foods that you consider super healthy, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage. And Mel, you're being a great student. You're like, "I want to eat all the fiber in one day."

Mel Robbins 19:21 Yeah.

Dr. Amy Shah 19:21 And that is going to create a havoc in your gut, because your gut bacteria are gonna be like, "We love this fiber, but not all at once." It's like giving them too much work in one day, especially when they're not used to it. And so you're going to get a lot of gas production while they're trying to digest this. So it can happen in your mouth. It can happen w- in your esophagus because you're eating too fast. It can happen in your stomach because you ate too many really hard-to-digest fibrous foods. It can happen in your small intestine and then in your large intestine too. So it's like all the way through, um, you can get bloating from different causes.

Mel Robbins 19:58 Okay. Can we just stop on that la-, I have so many questions.

Dr. Amy Shah 20:03 (laughs)

Mel Robbins 20:03 Um, I, I, I, I'm trying not to go all over the place-

Dr. Amy Shah 20:07 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 20:07 ...because now you've sparked my interest, because all those things you ticked off, I did not know that sparkling beverages, gum, or eating all these things that I would say are super healthy foods, like broccoli and Brussels sprouts and cabbage and that kind of stuff, that that actually can contribute to bloat. So thank you for explaining that. I want to focus on the foods that you just mentioned, cabbage, broccoli, and Brussels sprouts. Just, let's just call the trifecta right there, because I, if I hear you correctly, you're basically saying if you're already bloated and you throw that into your system, you're going to literally inflate the balloon even more.

Dr. Amy Shah 20:48 Yes.

Mel Robbins 20:48 However, when you de-bloat and you get your gut back into balance so that your gut bacteria aren't mad at you anymore, introducing those into your diet, not as a smorgasbord, but as part of what you're eating, is part of keeping the gut bacteria healthy. Is that correct?

Dr. Amy Shah 21:09 That's right. So-

Mel Robbins 21:10 Okay.

Dr. Amy Shah 21:10 ...if you're at a party and there's this, like, raw cruciferous vegetable plate, I don't know if you've ever seen, like, I don't know how, why people-

Mel Robbins 21:17 What's cruciferous? What is that line?

Dr. Amy Shah 21:18 Those are, those are the fa- that's the family that we're talking about, the cauliflowers, the broccoli, um, the Brussels sprouts, the cabbage. So a lot of times, uh, uh-

Mel Robbins 21:26 Those four are related, so they're like siblings, the cruciferouses?

Dr. Amy Shah 21:29 They're siblings. Cruciferous family.

Mel Robbins 21:31 So it's-

Dr. Amy Shah 21:31 And they have-

Mel Robbins 21:32 (laughs)

Dr. Amy Shah 21:32 ...these amazing sulfur compounds, um, that are so good for like cancer reduction and inflammation reduction. So they are like powerhouse vegetables.

Mel Robbins 21:40 Okay.

Dr. Amy Shah 21:40 But often at a party, they're like on a tray, like raw, right?

Mel Robbins 21:44 Yes.

Dr. Amy Shah 21:45 And I don't know about you, but I have had a few too many of those at once, and-

Mel Robbins 21:50 Yes.

Dr. Amy Shah 21:50 ...you definitely feel it. So what I would say someone, if you're already bloated, don't go to the raw vegetable tray and pick up the cauliflower and the broccoli, because you're just going to really hate yourself later that night, because it's going to start to digest and produce all this gas. But-

Mel Robbins 22:09 And I'll tell you who else is going to hate you.

Dr. Amy Shah 22:11 (laughs) Yeah.

Mel Robbins 22:11 The person you're sleeping next to, because you're going to be lifting the sheets up as you're farting so you don't create, like, a hot box in there.

Dr. Amy Shah 22:19 (laughs) That's right.

Mel Robbins 22:19 But you know what's f- you know what's great about you telling us that? Is because if I'm feeling uncomfortable in my pants and if I'm feeling bloated, especially at, you know, if you're in like wedding season or the holiday seasons or you're on a vacation, I would walk up to a raw vegetable plate and I would go, "Oh, I should clearly have some broccoli and some cauliflower because I feel bloated right now." And I didn't know until you just said it that that would literally stoke the flames and make me feel worse if I'm already feeling bloated and my gut bacteria is mad.

Dr. Amy Shah 22:52 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 22:52 So what do I eat instead?

Dr. Amy Shah 22:54 Okay, and then I want to tell you another one-

Mel Robbins 22:56 Okay.

Dr. Amy Shah 22:57 ...that will do the same thing. So say you're at a party and you wake up the next day and you're like, "Oh, I feel so bloated. I feel hungover," or whatever, "I feel bad," and you take a whole bunch of ibuprofen or

Dr. Amy Shah 23:07 aspirin, right? That is going to make you more bloated. And-

Mel Robbins 23:12 What? Why?

Dr. Amy Shah 23:12 ...a lot of people, when they wake up-

Mel Robbins 23:14 That's, this is my morning routine after a party. What are you talking about?

Dr. Amy Shah 23:17 Yes. So medications are a big cause of bloating, especially NSAIDs. So for, for-

Mel Robbins 23:23 What's an NSAID? What, what do you mean an NSAID?

Dr. Amy Shah 23:24 Uh, a non, it, ibuprofen, um, and Motrin, uh, and, uh, naproxen. Those are kind of, uh, a class, again, cousins, eh, in a group of medications called NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medication. So NSAIDs all have kind of the same mechanism of action. So, you know, some people like naproxen, some people like ibuprofen, some people like Motrin and all these different versions, but they're all the same, um, parent medication. Same with aspirin. Aspirin's very similar to all of them. Um, but they, their side effect is bloating. And so you ate a bunch of cruciferous vegetables, you, uh, took a bunch of ibuprofen, and now, and, you know, it's the week before your period, and then you wake up and you're like, "Oh my God, I look six months pregnant." And that's what is happening. And so I'm going to tell you what you need to do to kind of-

Mel Robbins 24:19 Thank God.

Dr. Amy Shah 24:19 ...reset that.

Mel Robbins 24:20 Thank God. Um, I hear a lot about gluten-

Dr. Amy Shah 24:25 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 24:25 ...and bloating. So is there a connection? Like, what are the foods other than the cruciferouses that you just explained, what are the foods...... that tend to cause bloating in people?

Dr. Amy Shah 24:39 Uh, gluten is definitely one of them. I mean, we all know there's, uh, so many people out there who feel bloated when, after pizza and bread and pasta. And sometimes, it's not necessarily a gluten. Like, you could have a sourdough bread and be okay, but you have, you know, pizza, and you're not. So it's not necessarily, uh, sometimes, uh, the gluten itself, but the way it's prepared. There's also, um, I think 68%

Dr. Amy Shah 25:02 of the world population is lactose intolerant. And-

Mel Robbins 25:06 What's that mean?

Dr. Amy Shah 25:07 That means that when you eat dairy foods, um, you get bloated because your body can't break down the lactose sugar.

Mel Robbins 25:14 Oh.

Dr. Amy Shah 25:15 Um, I don't know, do you... are you one of those people? So, well, everybody's different, right?

Mel Robbins 25:19 I have no idea.

Dr. Amy Shah 25:19 So 68% of the world population, it, um, can't digest a glass of milk or a big scoop of ice cream. They're, they get bloated from it.

Mel Robbins 25:28 What are some other, like, symptoms or-

Dr. Amy Shah 25:30 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 25:30 ... or things that you've seen in helping people to reset their, their gut, Dr. Shaw?

Dr. Amy Shah 25:37 Well, you know I talk about this all the time, but your mood and cravings, um, has a huge connection to your gut. So, uh, we talk about this gut-brain connection. And so, just to bring it back to hormones again, is like, you know when you're bloated, or it's right before your period, you feel bloated. Um, or you're in menopause, you feel bloated, but you also feel really, like, sad, and you feel like-

Mel Robbins 26:04 Hmm.

Dr. Amy Shah 26:04 ... you know, you're craving certain foods. And so, what we're learning now is that, um, this disordered gut bacteria that's happening, and for that, it's, you know, hormone-based situational, but is disrupting things in our brain, and we have this ba- gut-brain connection. And so, if you're feeling kind of down, fatigued, having cravings for strange things, um, that could be your gut bacteria talking to you and saying, like, "I, you know, I don't feel good, and we're sending signals to your brain that we need to be healed." And, uh, now, nobody, even in modern medicine, this is not talked about. Very few people, when they go to the doctor, and they say, "I'm depressed, I'm anxious, I'm, you know, I'm feeling tired all the time," very few doctors are going to be like, "Let's look into your gut health." You know? Like, it's not even... it's like, go, "Here's some medicine. You know, here's, here's some antidepressants, or g- go talk to someone." They don't even think that it's related, but it's completely

Dr. Amy Shah 27:06 related. I mean, we have study after study after study saying like, "Okay, take some fiber," and all of a sudden, people get improved cravings and mood, and you know, uh, "Eat some fermented food," and all of a sudden, they feel better. So, there's a huge connection with mood and feelings of anxiety.

Mel Robbins 27:22 So, Dr. Shaw, what foods make you bloated?

Dr. Amy Shah 27:26 So, uh, we talked about cruciferous vegetables, including your broccoli, Brussels sprouts, um, cabbage, okay? We talked about artificial sweeteners, like in your, um, Diet Coke, and in your gum, et cetera. Those are huge causes of bloating. Um, we talked about, um, sparkling drinks being a cause of bloating. We talked about dairy for so many people, gluten for so many people, high amounts of sugar for so many people. I actually,

Dr. Amy Shah 27:58 in my plan, like in my gut reset plan, I have every single person take out the foods that they think are triggering, like gluten, dairy, white sugar, and put themselves on a food elimination diet, at least for a week if not four weeks, to identify which foods are triggering your bloating. So, for me, it was gluten and dairy and sugar. And for a lot of people, it, it is all three. Uh, but for some people, it's just one of the two. So for some people, it's all three, some... So you have to do a food elimination diet. Did you know, Mel, that food sensitivity testing is not validated, and-

Mel Robbins 28:38 Huh.

Dr. Amy Shah 28:38 ... all those tests that people get for food sensitivity, it's... In 2023, we don't have a validated food sensitivity test. We can tell food allergies, like if you're gonna have anaphylaxis to peanut, we have a test for that. But there's no test that's better than a food elimination diet for checking for your food sensitivities, the foods that are causing you to bloat.

Mel Robbins 28:58 Let me see if I'm following you, because I was about to ask you, how would you know-

Dr. Amy Shah 29:03 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 29:04 ... if you're lactose intolerant? How would you know if you are sensitive to gluten? Because you asked me, "Mel, are you lactose intolerant?" I'm like, "I have no idea."

Dr. Amy Shah 29:12 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 29:12 "I have whole milk in my coffee every morning. I eat cottage cheese. I love the, you know, s- that S-K-Y-R yogurt."

Dr. Amy Shah 29:18 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 29:20 So I don't know. I, I'm just... I'm ingesting this stuff. I don't burp afterwards. I don't fart afterwards that I know of, but I, like, so am I bloated by it? I don't know. So are you saying that the only way to determine whether or not you are getting bloated or triggered by certain foods is to eliminate them from your diet, and then-

Dr. Amy Shah 29:42 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 29:42 ... to see what happens when you add them back in?

Dr. Amy Shah 29:45 Yes. The gold standard for food-related gut discomfort is to eliminate the foods and to add it back. When you add it back, that's really the test. Um, I don't know if you've ever, you know, gone a long time without eating, um, say, you know, certain food, and then you add it back to your diet, and then you get, like, this huge bloating reaction. That's the sensitive food that you're eating. So, you're only gonna know if you're lactose intolerant,

Dr. Amy Shah 30:12 or if you're not tolerant to dairy, if you stop eating it, and then you add it back and see what happens to you. That's, like, the gold standard for checking which foods that trigger you. So, there's certain foods that trigger everyone, but there's certain food groups-

Mel Robbins 30:25 What are they?

Dr. Amy Shah 30:26 ... that trigger only few people, like-Um, the insoluble fiber is like a thing that bloats everyone. This is the-

Mel Robbins 30:33 What is insoluble-

Dr. Amy Shah 30:34 Those are-

Mel Robbins 30:35 ... fiber, fiber?

Dr. Amy Shah 30:35 So, so, you know those vegetables that I was talking to you about-

Mel Robbins 30:38 Yes.

Dr. Amy Shah 30:39 ... the raw vegetables?

Mel Robbins 30:40 Yes.

Dr. Amy Shah 30:40 So, they're made up of insoluble fiber-

Mel Robbins 30:42 Okay.

Dr. Amy Shah 30:42 Um, they have so- like, there's soluble fiber. So for example, um, things like baby spinach that's cooked really well, right? That has a lot of, like, soft fiber, is how I would think about it, um, and it's easier to digest for the body. Whereas a raw broccoli or a cauliflower, uh, has a lot of insoluble fiber, and it's really hard for the body to digest, and it takes a lot of work. It's like marathon training. Like, eventually you'll get there, but you don't want to start with huge amounts in the beginning. So, um, and then, you know, alcohol. Let's talk about, you know-

Mel Robbins 31:20 Oh, do we have to?

Dr. Amy Shah 31:21 (laughs) .

Mel Robbins 31:23 Come on, this is coming out during the holidays talking show.

Dr. Amy Shah 31:25 Yeah, but I mean, it's-

Mel Robbins 31:26 No, seriously. No, let's talk about alcohol, 'cause the truth is, I have this love-hate relationship with alcohol-

Dr. Amy Shah 31:33 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 31:33 ... where I tend to go for periods where I don't drink-

Dr. Amy Shah 31:36 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 31:36 ... at all, and I feel 1,000 times better, and I-

Dr. Amy Shah 31:40 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 31:40 ... sleep better, and I know it's better for my health. And then particularly around the holidays or in the summer or, you know, when we're celebrating something, I'll have a drink, and the next thing you know, I'm kind of sliding into drinking a little bit more, uh, frequently, and I definitely notice. I don't sleep as well. I definitely notice that, um, I'm tired in the morning. I have not really noticed bloating, but maybe I'm not understanding the signs-

Dr. Amy Shah 32:11 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 32:11 ... or the symptoms to look for.

Dr. Amy Shah 32:14 Well, let me tell you the problem with alcohol. The problem with alcohol is that, number one, a lot of us are ingesting it later in the evening.

Mel Robbins 32:22 Hm.

Dr. Amy Shah 32:22 And so I told you that our body, just like our brain needs sleep, our gut bacteria needs sleep as well. They need rest. If we're eating big meals and lots of drinks late into the night, you're already shortchanging your growth hormone, you're, um,

Dr. Amy Shah 32:43 cleaning, you know, all the things that happen during the night in your gut, and so you're just more likely to be bloated in general. It doesn't mean that every single person's going to wake up the next day bloated. It's just contributing to this overall circadian rhythm misalignment that we have in our world. We're going, people are going days without seeing natural light, and then they're eating really late at night-

Mel Robbins 33:08 Hm.

Dr. Amy Shah 33:09 ... uh, with bright lights, right? Like, we're-

Mel Robbins 33:11 Hm.

Dr. Amy Shah 33:12 ... in this, we're in this world where our circadian rhythms are getting thrown off all the time. And one of the biggest causes of bloating is that we're eating late at night, and we're drinking alcohol late at night. So, not only does alcohol cause bloating, it also is usually consumed later in the evening, closer to bedtime for a lot of us. Um, now, there are people who have it earlier in the day, and I would say, if you are going to have alcohol around the holidays, and you are trying to, you know, manage your bloating and-

Mel Robbins 33:41 Yes.

Dr. Amy Shah 33:42 ... just in general better health, start earlier in the day. And that way, your body has time to kind of metabolize it. It's not going to disturb your sleep as much, and it's not going to disturb your gut health as much.

Mel Robbins 33:54 So, what would be your recommendation for how much time you need between your last meal and your last drink with calories or sparkle in it-

Dr. Amy Shah 34:08 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 34:08 ... right? Whether it's alcoholic or not, and when you fall asleep. Like, do you need, like, three hours, two hours-

Dr. Amy Shah 34:15 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 34:15 ... five hours? Like, what is going to help your gut process what you ate and drank and then also get the rest that it needs, which helps your gut bacteria not be so mad at you?

Dr. Amy Shah 34:27 Yeah, exactly. Our gut bacteria are our biggest allies, right? We want them to be our friends, and we don't want to starve them to death and kill them in all these ways that we're doing. Fasting, uh, at least circadian style, so something natural like, you know, taking a break from food for 12 hours, which sounds like it's nothing, but most Americans are eating 16 hours a day and just taking a quick break for eight hours, um, or less. So, we want to extend the time that your gut gets rest. So, it might be two to three hours before bed

Dr. Amy Shah 35:01 you stop eating, and you're only drinking water or decaffeinated tea, you know, that kind of thing, clear liquids. And then go 12, 13, 14, so it may be 6:00 PM to 6:00 AM, 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM. That would be ideal, um, timings according to circadian rhythms.

Mel Robbins 35:17 You just said that the average person is eating for 16 hours a day, and I stopped for a second and thought, "Oh my God, you're right." 'Cause you start eating the second you wake up, and you eat until you go to bed, and I've never heard anybody talk about the fact that we're eating for that long of a period of time. And I've noticed that whenever we talk about intermittent fasting or fasting for a 12-hour window as a health and digestion and a gut bacteria tool, people go crazy, right?

Dr. Amy Shah 35:55 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 35:55 About, "Oh." But when you focus on the fact that it's not healthy to eat for 16 hours a day either, I mean, that was sort of a ha- aha, aha moment for me.

Dr. Amy Shah 36:08 Me too. I, you know, I, when I read the circadian rhythm, um, data that says basically the Nobel Prize in Medicine a few years ago went to the scientists that were looking into how circadian rhythms actually run our bodies, that 80% of our body's functions work on circadian rhythms. This means that-...our gut needs rest, our gut bacteria needs rest. Like when it's dark outside, that is a time that our body switches into a different mode. And when I understood that, I was like, "Wow, why is it that we're eating so late into the night, and then we're not giving our gut a break?" We know we need sleep, so why don't we ever talk about giving your gut a rest, which is just as important as giving your brain a rest? And that could improve so many things in our body that, you know, you know and I know, like, you have an early dinner, you have a great night sleep because now you have your growth hormone that is pumping, it's repairing everything. You wake up and you feel like a different person, like a million bucks, right? And we know that, but we still don't do it. In America at least, we don't do it. And so, I think the circadian rhythm science is just going to get stronger and stronger, because people just still are starting to understand what an impact that's going to have, taking a break, just a break. It's not intermittent fasting per se, it's just being, you know, it's how our bodies were designed. I mean, thousands of years ago, you didn't have Uber Eats to call at, like, midnight.

Mel Robbins 37:40 You know, I'm just laughing 'cause I'm sitting here going... (laughs) It's not like we call sleep intermittent wakefulness.

Dr. Amy Shah 37:46 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 37:46 You know? It's like, it makes a lot of sense that your medical recommendation, based on your expertise, is that your gut needs 12 hours of not having to digest food in order to have your gut bacteria remain healthy and have your gut in balance. I mean, it makes sense.

Dr. Amy Shah 38:08 Yeah. And we know that how much poor sleep, we talk about it all the time, right? Poor sleep makes you depressed. Poor sleep makes you eat more. Poor sleep makes... It's the same thing when you get poor gut rest and you're eating all the time. The studies are very clear. Now, why intermittent fasting got such a bad rap is because the colloquial science, you know... I, I don't want to say bro science, but the sci- like, the fitness world said, "Oh, if you want to do intermittent fasting, the way to do it is, uh, you know, eat late into the night, and then don't eat all day. Don't eat-

Mel Robbins 38:43 Hmm.

Dr. Amy Shah 38:43 ...'til 12:00 or 1:00 or 2:00." And that's, actually that's not been shown in the science to be helpful in weight loss. It's not been shown, um, to be the way to do it in optimal health, 'cause our bodies don't work on that cycle. We are supposed to be eating during the wakeful hours. Now, that can be delayed. We don't need to eat first thing in the morning. Um, but eating an early dinner and having the fasting start in the evening is something that I don't see a lot of fitness and, you know, health influencers talk about, which is the way it's supposed to be done.

Dr. Amy Shah 39:16 We're supposed to give our body, um, uh, a time to digest so we get better sleep, better growth hormone production, more rest to our gut so that we can wake up less bloated and we can be happier and healthier. I have this morning routine, the three Fs, okay? Every morning, I wake up and I'm like, "Okay, fasting is number one. Have I fasted for 12 hours? If I haven't, I'm not going to have my first meal yet, okay?" Because I might have stopped on some days later, 7:30-

Mel Robbins 39:46 Right.

Dr. Amy Shah 39:46 ...8:00. And I might say I wake up at 6:00, and I'm like, "Okay, I'm not going to eat yet. I'm actually going to go exercise." So, fitness is the second F. So, fasting, fitness, and then when I'm ready to eat, it's fermented and fiber

Dr. Amy Shah 40:01 food. So, those three Fs, fasting, fitness, and the food, those make up my morning routine so that I'm not as bloated, I fix my circadian rhythm so our gut bacteria are happy with us, and we start our day with something that is nourishing for that gut microbiome so that over days and weeks, um, time, we can experience less bloating, we can have better body composition, who doesn't want that, and better hormone health.

Mel Robbins 40:29 First of all, I love it. It's super simple. Secondly, I love the fact that when you said fasting, you basically wake up when you wake up and you go, "Okay, wait a minute. Um, I'm just not going to eat until I give my gut a 12-hour rest." And so, even if you were at, like, let's say you were at a wedding or at a party last night, and you were out and you stopped on the way home for some pizza-

Dr. Amy Shah 40:52 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 40:52 ...it was 11:00 at night. You're sound asleep by midnight. When you wake up at 9:00 in the morning, ask yourself, "Okay, first F is fasting. 12 hours would be that I don't have my first meal until 11:00 this morning." And then you said fitness, which is how much fitness? How long do you need to exercise?

Dr. Amy Shah 41:12 Mm-hmm.

Mel Robbins 41:12 Can it be a 10-minute walk? Can it be anything?

Dr. Amy Shah 41:15 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 41:15 Like, what is fitness for you?

Dr. Amy Shah 41:17 Fitness for me in the mor- for the morning routine is anything, anything. So, total in the day, I want to get about 30 minutes. You want to get 30 minutes of sunlight, of, uh, movement. So, the best way to get this done, and over with, and checked off is go for a 30-minute walk and you're done.

Mel Robbins 41:33 Yep.

Dr. Amy Shah 41:33 Um, and it makes so much sense because our bodies are designed to see light in the morning. We're seeing now, you know, you see all this research coming out about how important it is to get natural light. Um, you, you just check it all off in one walk, because the gut bacteria... Did you know that the best probiotic, the best de-bloating is actually exercise?

Mel Robbins 41:55 No.

Dr. Amy Shah 41:55 Because exercise makes-

Mel Robbins 41:55 I did not know that.

Dr. Amy Shah 41:57 (laughs) Exercise-

Mel Robbins 41:57 I didn't know that. Like, 'cause I was just about to ask you-

Dr. Amy Shah 41:59 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 42:00 ...how does taking a walk for 30 minutes outside stop bloating and help my gut bacteria be happy? How does that help?

Dr. Amy Shah 42:09 So, just like your gut bacteria needs sleep, like I said, they're like organisms, live organisms, and they need rest, they also love when you get sunlight and when you exercise. It makes them very happy. They do this cr- like, crazy dance that produces, um, these chemicals in your body called short-chain fatty acids. They go all over the body...They calm your inflammation. They make you happy. It is the best probiotic you could ever take.

Mel Robbins 42:42 That's so cool.

Dr. Amy Shah 42:44 I know.

Mel Robbins 42:44 That is so cool. And so-

Dr. Amy Shah 42:45 We're trying to, we're trying to produce short chain fatty acids through so many different things. Like everyone's like, "Take this pill for, to produce short chain fatty acids. Do this." All we have to do is exercise in sunlight, and look, all of a sudden, it bo- our body produces it for ourselves.

Mel Robbins 43:01 Well, the other thing that I like about what you're saying is the second that you said, "Your gut bacteria's mad at you," and if I think in simple terms, which I like to do because if a concept is simple, I can apply it to my life, right?

Dr. Amy Shah 43:18 Yeah.

Mel Robbins 43:19 When you tell me, "The game here, everybody, is make your gut bacteria happy," and when you tell me that, okay, there are some things that you can do every single day to just make your gut bacteria happy,

Mel Robbins 43:31 which is gonna help with bloating, which is gonna help with how comft- how you feel, which is gonna help with your mood, Mel, one of which is getting good sleep and getting rest from needing to digest, which you just said is about fasting. The other one is take your gut bacteria for a walk, 30 minutes outside, and all of a sudden, it's like doing its happy dance and it's making you feel better, and we all know this to be true. And then you said the third F is fiber and something else.

Dr. Amy Shah 43:59 F- yeah.

Mel Robbins 43:59 So what does that mean?

Dr. Amy Shah 44:00 Fer- fermented and fibrous foods. So you know, the first meal of your day is your best chance. Research shows that the first meal of the day is statistically shown to be our best chance at improving our health in general, but definitely our gut and hormone health. And what I want to tell every woman out there is that, use this opportunity to improve your hormone and gut health. So a perfect breakfast would be something like yogurt, nuts, berries, and maybe some fr- uh, you know, uh, a ginger tea on the side, okay, like a chai or... Because ginger and peppermint are two things that you can really do, take to really make your gut bacteria happy. You know, uh, we know that a tofu scramble or an egg scramble with veggies, so you want high protein, so 30 grams of protein. You got your fiber in there with your vegetables, and if you're having a yogurt or probiotic cottage cheese, or you're gonna

Dr. Amy Shah 45:01 have a little spoon of sauerkraut or a little, uh, glass of water with some raw apple cider vinegar, you're gonna get your fermented food. Use your breakfast as your chance to kill it. Like, this is... My hormones and my gut bacteria are so happy, uh, because I started my morning with a high protein, high fiber, high fermented food breakfast.

Mel Robbins 45:22 It makes sense because if you apply this advice, everybody, around making your gut bacteria happy, you just gave it 12 hours of rest, of needing to just take a break from the constant eating. You then, uh, made it do its happy dance with the walk, right? And the sunlight. And now the first thing that you're putting in your stomach is not something that is gonna cause all kind of gaseous... I don't even know if it's a word, but you know what I mean.

Dr. Amy Shah 45:49 (laughs) Yeah.

Mel Robbins 45:49 It's not gonna make the balloon inflate. You're dropping into your stomach the things that it needs to work properly for you and stay happy. And that makes a lot of sense. Isn't that pretty amazing, what you and I just learned from Dr. Amy Shaw? And you know what? What you've listened to so far, it isn't the whole conversation. We were only just 40 minutes in with Dr. Amy Shaw, and there was already so much information that she threw at you and me. And so here's what I decided to do while I was in the studio with her. I decided, let's just hit the pause button right here. I want to give you a chance to digest this information about bloating, about how your gut works. I want you to try the three F morning routine 'cause that's a great place to start, and we got a lot more to cover with Dr. Amy Shaw, and you and I don't have time to listen to a two-hour episode. That's why we're dividing this into two different amazing episodes, and in the next episode, which is dropping right after this one, we are gonna cover so many more essential questions about your gut health. We're gonna cover, do probiotics work? Should you take one? How can you do the probiotic thing naturally? What are the steps to creating a healthy microbiome naturally, in terms of like ongoing? Does stress impact your gut health? Uh, yeah. And what can you do about it? And the burning question, which is why I reached out to Dr. Amy Shaw in the first place, Dr. Amy, what is your medical recommendation, knowing that this is not medical advice, but you know what I mean, as a doctor, how do

Mel Robbins 47:27 I do a five-day gut reset that I can follow any time I feel bloated? So guess what? The very next episode of the Mel Robbins Podcast is Dr. Amy Shaw walking you through that step by step, walking you through the five-day gut reset, and right now, you got what you need. Try the three F morning routine. Follow all the advice you just heard. Stay away from the crudites and the alcohol. Get your sleep, and by God, make sure you forward this to all your friends who are bloated and complaining about it, and be right back here when the next episode drops so we can walk through that five-day reset. And in case nobody else tells you, I'm gonna tell you, I love you, I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to create a better life. Thank you for investing this time in yourself and in your health. Thank you for spending your time with me. I love you, and I will see you and all that gorgeous gut bacteria inside you with Dr. Amy Shaw when this conversation continues in the very next episode. See you there. And thank you for being here on YouTube. One more thing, it really helps a show like ours if you subscribe, so take a second and subscribe, and I also have a recommendation. I'm sure you'd love to hear all the science about hunger and cravings. Dr. Amy Shaw is right here, and this is the video you want to watch next.