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A New Approach To Optimising Human Movement | The Human Garage

Garry Lineham is a movement specialist and the Co-Founder of The Human Garage in Los Angeles. The Human Garage is home to some of Hollywood's biggest movie stars, NFL & NBA players, doctors and much more. It's about as progressive of a human movement facility as you'll find on the planet, their approach is starkly non-typical and seriously pushes boundaries in physiotherapy. Garry takes us through his entire journey and explains why The Human Garage has become one of LA's most talked about wellness facilities. Further Reading: https://www.humangarage.net/ (If you're in LA and would like to jump the queue for a consultation - mention Modern Wisdom and you'll get a priority response) - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

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Sep 12, 20181h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 5:00

    Why Chris visited The Human Garage (LA wellness scene + what to expect)

    1. CW

      (wind blowing) Hi, friends. Now, you may remember earlier on this year that I got to go away to LA and I got to see the guys from ROM WOD, which was really cool, got to record some routines with them. I also got to go and see the guys from the Human Garage. Now, the Human Garage is a wellness and movement specialist facility near Santa Monica, uh, just off LA's beach, and I first heard of them when Ben Greenfield mentioned them on his podcast. They have a very progressive, very forward-thinking, and different alternative view of human anatomy and wellness in general. I thought it would be interesting for me to pay them a visit, so I got in touch, and very kindly they let me go down and use the facility. It ended up being around about a two to two-and-a-half-hour procedure. We were supposed to sit down and podcast while I was out there, but then the guy who played Superman in the (laughs) 2005 movie came in, so he, uh, he took precedence. But this facility deals with NBA stars, NFL players, doctors, Hollywood movie stars. They literally have got one of the hottest spots in all of LA. I'm very, very fortunate to have been able to go and see them. I wanted to get Gary, who is the co-founder, on the podcast to just try and (laughs) explain where this very popular, very alternative thinking, um, success has come from, and I think he manages to do it today. So I'm not gonna take it any further. I'm going to let Gary speak for himself. One final thing, if you are in LA and you do want to check out the Human Garage, they haven't sponsored this episode at all, however, the waiting list is incredibly long if you want to see them. But if you mention Modern Wisdom when you book for your consultation application, they will bump you to the top of the list. I'm going to be really interested to hear some feedback about this one, so don't forget, get at me @chriswillex on Instagram, Twitter, wherever it is that you wanna get in touch or modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com. But for now, onto the show. (instrumental music plays) Gary, welcome to Modern Wisdom.

    2. GL

      Hi, Chris, how you doing?

    3. CW

      Very good, thank you, and yourself?

    4. GL

      I'm doing fantastic. Sitting here in southern, uh, California, nice and sunny. We've been having a little bit of a heat wave out here.

    5. CW

      Well, it's, uh, not too bad in the UK for once either actually. I'm, uh, I'm gonna guess, based on my experience when I was out with you guys-

    6. GL

      Yeah.

    7. CW

      ... the weather is not going to be, uh, not going to be quite the same, but we'll take, we'll take what we can get in England at the moment.

    8. GL

      (laughs) For sure. It's, uh, really good having you out here. It was, uh, really interesting. I just wish we had more time with you.

    9. CW

      Yeah, me too, me too. It's, um, LA is one of those places, it's, uh, kind of like a hotspot for wellness and, you know, it pushes the forefront and the boundaries to a degree of, of treatments and of, um, you know, I mean, weed is legal out there at the moment, cannabis is legal, and you know, i- i- it seems like it's, um, seems like it's very progressive on all fronts. Would you say that's about right?

    10. GL

      Yeah, I think, I think it's really, uh, progressive in all fronts. I mean, I'm from Canada originally, and, uh, in Vancouver we're a bit more liberal in, in all aspects of things. But, uh, down here you've just got a collection of, uh, both athletes, um, professional or otherwise, Olympic athletes, so you have a little bit more of the treatment talent and the thought processes and the modalities that are out here. So you just get a bit more of everything, that's all.

    11. CW

      Yeah, I get that. So you are the co-founder of the Human Garage?

    12. GL

      Yes, my, uh, my wife is my co-founder. She is, uh, the boss. She signs all the checks.

    13. CW

      (laughs)

    14. GL

      I've learned, I've learned, uh, through submission, to be very nice to her.

    15. CW

      Fantastic. Well, you don't want, you don't want your paycheck cut. That's exactly what happens with my business partner sometimes. If I've pissed him off for... If I've pissed him off for a little while, I'll, I'll find out that he's got a bunch of my paychecks sat in the safe.

    16. GL

      (laughs) For sure, for sure.

    17. CW

      So-

    18. GL

      But we, we have a, we have a whole, uh, variety of people, as you know, that come out here. So we have people from all over the world, including... UK is our third-largest draw market. So we have, uh, uh, quite a bit of people come from the UK out to Venice Beach to see us.

    19. CW

      So take everyone through at home who hasn't heard of the Human Garage, take us through the story what, where you started, what your ethos is, where you are now and, and, and what you do.

  2. 5:00 – 9:36

    Founding story: a bodybuilding injury that triggered decades of pain

    1. GL

      Okay, fair enough. I mean, it's, uh, it's a little bit of a journey, but, um, but one of the best ways for people to get the, the whole story is to, is to listen to some of the backgrounds. I mean, there's a number of different, uh, different reports and media outlets that we've reported to. It, it started from a, in the short form, in the time that we have, it started with me being a professional bodybuilder back in the '80s, and, um, I fell under a 600 pound squat. And from that point forward, the rest of my adult life I've been in one form of therapy or another trying to resolve that. And, um, and I was using exercise, uh, stretching and, and, and chiropractic physical therapy, Egoscue, Rolfing, Feldenkrais method, anything and everything, um, to keep my body, uh, out of pain. And it just... And I was always in like a... From, from my early 20s through to my, uh, mid-30s, I was in a, a two to four pain every day, but towards the end of the- my 30s, that started being more like a six to nine pain every day. So after being through every form of therapy literally known to mankind, not only here but all through Europe, all through Asia, I...... um, and I was just determined to find a way to solve my issue, and I, and I realized that, that if, uh, if I didn't understand enough to tell people, to communicate my issue, every time I went to another mod- modality, they had another way of looking at it. So, I had to find a unified way of communicating what my problems were. (clears throat) So I looked for, um, for foundations in chiropractic as a, and as physical therapy to try to help explain my problem. So when ... I don't know if you've ever experienced this, uh, Chris, but if you go from doctor to doctor with a chronic issue of any kind, having to explain yourself and go through their process each and every time, it gets pretty tedious. And after hundreds and hundreds of these, you just start learning the language. So, as we learned the language of chiropractic and physil- physical therapy, we went to the next step and I, I was just trying to really solve my issue. So I, I sought out the top 10 people in probably every, every industry you can imagine and went to them, wherever they were in the world. Um, and towards the end, as I s- got into my 30s, my, (clears throat) my back would be going out once or twice a year, but it got to a point where it was g- it was starting to go out every month or two. And, uh, at the end of it, it was like 10 times I w- my back went out, and I would be out for about two weeks at a time, and it ... So I was in, in bed 22 weeks, uh, towards the end of my journey, and (clears throat) that's where the foundation, uh, that's where I said, "Something has to change." Because you may or may not experience this or have any ref- relationship to this, but at some point, I didn't want to kill myself, but I really didn't want to be alive anymore. It was just a excruciating pain, and, uh-

    2. CW

      I can imagine it's, I can i- imagine it's very, very uncomfortable.

    3. GL

      Yeah, yeah. And then neurologically, it gets stressful too, because the pain itself starts become the pain.

    4. CW

      Well, yeah, it'll start to re-pattern. That's correct, isn't it? Especially with back pain, I'm right in thinking that as you get back pain, you'll be- you become more susceptible to further back pain.

    5. GL

      Correct, yeah, yeah. And it's just because your, your whole body's trying to organize and keep itself, uh, aligned and working in, in gravity, and that's really what the, the challenge was, is that we were looking at the body the wrong way, or in my opinion, the- most of the industry has looked at the body the wrong way, and that's part of the reason why we have so many people that are in rough shape.

    6. CW

      Okay, so that's the, the setup, I suppose. Who was it that you went to go and see? You said that you went to go and see a number of experts around the world. Can you remember who they were?

    7. GL

      Yeah, I, I just don't feel it appropriate to call out the people, but nothing worked, (laughs) so ...

    8. CW

      Oh, dear.

    9. GL

      If I, if I had a ma- smashing success with somebody, I'd maybe want to call it out, but this ... Just basically, and it wasn't the practitioners, it's just the way that we there- we were approaching the body. Each modality learns how to help the body, uh, with its background and its own view of the body, and, uh, if you don't fit in any one of those boxes, and, you know, there's a number of people out there that are going around from practitioner to practitioner and from modality to modality, and it's just ... And they, they trade off a little bit of, of success or a little bit of pain reduction, but, but then they have to go somewhere else, and that's typically what happens. People just get pushed around from therapy to therapy until, until one time that they're just no longer to do it, able to do it anymore, and that's, that's, that's generally what happens to people today.

    10. CW

      Yeah, yeah. I can understand that. So, where do you go from there? You've spent enough time with the doctors that you feel like you could do their job for them and (laughs) what-

    11. GL

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      ... what comes after that?

  3. 9:36 – 12:49

    Searching for a breakthrough: neuromuscular therapy and the limits of ‘pain management’

    1. GL

      Well, you know, uh, it ... It ... There's a, there's a number of different things. So I was using, uh, whatever therapy I could to manage my own pain and discomfort, and people always ask, "What kind of pain was it?" And it was back pain, neck pain, it was generalized discomfort, um, it was, it was something where I would have ribs going out all the time, my neck would go out all the time, and there just seemed to be no, uh, no, uh, solution for it. So, um, at one point, uh, of all the places I travel in the world, and I'm, and I'm literally meaning (laughs) all through Europe and all through Asia, uh, one of the places that I ... I found a guy in Orange County, which is about 45 minutes south of where I am right now, and he had a neuromuscular therapy that he was using to make Olympic runners run faster, and that therapy got me up and over the hurdle, and, and as long as I did it twice a week, I was virtually out of pain. Now, I still had high levels of discomfort, but, you know, when you've been in pain for a long time, a day or two without pain is ... You just, you'll take any win you can get. And that's-

    2. CW

      Vast difference, right?

    3. GL

      Yeah. And that therapy was, uh, got me out of pain. I used that ... Uh, it was ... We ... At the time, it was called brain body calib- calibration. It, um ... I looked at the guy who was doing the therapy and he was a PhD in medical science, kinesiology and pain management, and I looked at him and said, "He's about 10 years older than me. He's probably gonna die before me." Um, I don't mean that to be facetious, but I'm looking at saying this is the only therapy I've had in 20 years that keeps me even stable. Um, I'm gonna need somebody else to do this. So I convinced him to, um, to go off and hire, uh ... We, we started up the Rubinstein Centers and we hired five doctors, 40 therapists, thereabouts, and we used that as a, as a platform to start, uh, and expand his thought process, which was a neuromuscular therapy. And like I said, the therapy got me out of pain, but I had to do it twice a week, and I became a victim of yet another problem, which was, uh, the fear of pain. So I was out of pain, I had to go on a vacation, and I knew that at within the two weeks that I was gonna be gone that I would be in pain before I got back, and I, and I just couldn't get myself to leave, because I couldn't get myself to go into that level of pain again. And that's where I realized that, that my solution was, was to manage my pain through treatment wasn't a good solution and I needed to find an answer. And so as we looked f- to, uh, additional modalities to try and bring them in to help me understand what to do next, um, my partner at the time, just, you know, he, he said it was my name on the door, uh, and it was, um, and it was Rubinstein Centers, and he said, "Uh, so, no. This is the modality that's staying here." So, at that point, I decided to, uh, to leave and, and continue my journey and find a way to get myself, uh, permanently out of pain, and that's what led to the Human Garage.

    4. CW

      Wow. So what was it specifically that you think was the difference between the most recent treatment that we've just been discussing there and everything that you tried previously? Because as you say, it didn't necessarily fix the discomfort, but it did fix the pain, and that's a pretty big step to take at the beginning. So can you identify what it was about that treatment th- that was different?

  4. 12:49 – 14:30

    Core philosophy: the body is self-healing, and ‘unfixable’ is rarely true

    1. GL

      Yeah. So the, the treatment we were using, uh, previous to this, if you looked at it, I mean, people have seen it online, um, they see two or three people standing around a table, it kinda looks like ART, but the intention was much different. We had a fun... Basically, there's been two fundamental beliefs that have been with us since the day we started. The first one was, the human body is designed to heal itself, and if it is designed to heal itself, we either have to stimulate it into doing something or, uh, or stimulate it into not doing something and just let the body figure itself out. That's, that's the one, um, primary belief that we had. And the second one was I just, I didn't believe that I was unfixable. I didn't believe that I was the only one, uh, that everybody I knew that had to continue doing therapy for the rest of my life. So with that foundation of belief, uh, I literally started working in a garage, and it was my garage here in Venice Beach, and I had, had a PT that I was working with, and we were just experimenting, and we were just following a series of what seemed at the time dumb ideas or just illogical ideas, and we had a series of discoveries which led to, um, led to how the body was managing itself in gravity basically. And when we had figured that out, all of a sudden, uh, we'd, we'd done a s- very specific release on one of the l- adductors in my right leg, and I stood up straight for the first time in my life without any tension. It was a very bizarre experience, but, but that's what led us to believe that there's, there's more to this than, than what we learn in school. There's more to this than what we've been educated about. And it started opening up this process of always looking for a better way and always investigating.

  5. 14:30 – 17:19

    Training and credibility: formal education vs. field results

    1. CW

      Okay. So did you do, uh, during this period when you were developing The Human Garage, did you do any formal training? Did you go and do, uh, physiotherapy, uh, education? Did you do any biomechanical work or anything like that, or was it kind of learn as you go?

    2. GL

      Well, it depends on what you consider to be formal training. Um, yeah, I've spent, uh, 25 years studying, educating, hiring people to train me, paying for training, going for courses and seminars. I mean, heck, I started a business with a PhD in medical science and had five doctors and dozens of therapists defending his science. So yes, there's a lot of education, but the formalized education, and most people can relate to this, you go to school, you learn a bunch of stuff, then you go off and you go into your practice or into your career, and you use almost nothing that you learn in school. And I don't, it's no, really no different in healthcare. Um, uh, a lot of the education comes from being out there working with people and seeing live results. And-

    3. CW

      Yeah. That's to- that's, that's totally correct. I guess the letters-

    4. GL

      Yeah.

    5. CW

      ... the letters in front or behind your name are just, they're really just a fail-safe for someone who doesn't know you that says, "I have the minimum required education that someone should do to be able to practice what you think that you want from me."

    6. GL

      Yeah, I'm the, I'm, I'm the least trained or educated person here.

    7. CW

      (laughs)

    8. GL

      (laughs) I'm s- I'm serious. I mean, I have, I have actually technically outside of nutrition training and supplement training, uh, you know, I've taken courses on biomechanics and fascia and stuff like that, but those are more, more interest courses that you would take as a practitioner. But for the most part, yeah, I've, my training came from the street. But that, what, what that allowed me to do is ask a lot of dumb questions, Chris, and you know, when you ask dumb questions, you get smart answers. And, you know, like for example, um, let's just, uh, let's just jump off the deep end. Where do we start off with? I, I looked at it and said, "Okay, I have a problem," and my background, just so you know, is, uh, when I got out of school in the '80s, uh, you could go out and be a doctor for $150,000 a year, you could go and be a lawyer for about $200,000 a year, or you could go into the wireless industry and technology and make three-quarters of a million dollars a year. So I did what any young man would do, (laughs) went into wireless.

    9. CW

      Yeah. (laughs)

    10. GL

      Went into technology.

    11. CW

      Yeah.

    12. GL

      And I went, I went where the money was, and, uh, and I, but as I started getting more and more, uh, problems with sick or more and more dysfunctional, I started organizing more of my life around my dysfunction. So in other words, if I'm going to a telecom conference in Miami (clears throat) and I had a choice between Miami and California, I'd take the one that had a health conference somewhere around that time, and I started double dipping in my, in my travel 'cause I was really trying to figure out, you know, what the ishu- well, you know, what the issue was.

    13. CW

      Mm-hmm.

  6. 17:19 – 24:00

    Rethinking control: brain as processor, fascia as a major information system

    1. GL

      The, the nice thing about asking stupid questions is I got to, as I said, let's d- dive off the deep end. I got to ask the biggest one, which is, is the brain in charge of the body? And, you know, fundamentally, uh, scientifically that's not true. It- it's a command center, but it's not the command center. And if it was a command center, Chris, then why is it then when a baby's being developed that the heart beats before the brain is developed?

    2. CW

      That's interesting. So what do you mean about the brain not being in control?

    3. GL

      Well, it's not in charge.

    4. CW

      Okay.

    5. GL

      It's a control center. Yeah. So it's not... If, if you think of your body, like, we've, we've contextilized, contextualized this experience of being human, and we, we, uh, try to make analogies so we feel grounded in those analogies. Like, we say our brain is like a computer. Well, let me give you another reference point. How about your body is like a computer and your brain is like a CPU? It runs programs. The brain is always analyzing the internal and external environments imposed upon us and adapting us to the environments. And, you know, the latest research on the vagal nerve shows that 90% of the information goes up the vagal nerve to the brain. Again, that's another indicator that maybe the brain isn't in charge.And so if, so the world of science and medicine starts to split right there. Either I, either the brain is in charge of the body or the brain is just another organ that's part of the body's operation. And if you say the brain's in charge of the body, then the body's a meat suit. And then that's, that's where traditional medicine and thought processes go down. But there's this whole new world of people that are saying, "Hey, there's way more to this than we think." Like for example, your fascia, which we were working on when, when you were here, Chris.

    6. CW

      Yeah.

    7. GL

      There's 100 trillion cells. Your brain is 100 billion cells. That's 1,000 times, that's 1,000 stomachs in your head. Or s- or sorry, in your fascia. Your, your brain is, or your fascia is te- 1,000 times more organically dense than, than it's supposedly the command center in the body. And if you think about the fascia from the inside of your skull to the inside of your feet, right on your toes, it's a complete sheet of material, connective material, and I'll give you a way to reference it. Think about that material, it's all one big sheet, and in there, there's pockets, and then in al- in those pockets lie muscles, tendons and bones and organs. So basically if you think about it that way, that's more of a true representation of the body, and the body has all these input systems or these intelligent systems that have to work together and they're interdependent, and each one is dependent upon the other one. Like even the brain is dependent upon your senses to give you information. So one of the things that we get here with a lot of people is they'll have a neurological, like a vestibular, an inner ear balance issue, and their brain perceives, uh, that they're falling over. Well, if you have a vestibular issue and you're trying to do body work or chiropractic work or alignment work or train yourself or get your glute to fire, it's not going to fire, um, because neurologically the brain has the wrong information and the body acts accordingly. So the idea is, is that we can't separate, um, mechanics from neurology from organ function. These are all have to be looked at together, and the problem with our current system of evaluation and treatment is they're all broken apart.

    8. CW

      Okay. I understand. I understand. I'd, I've... Myo, uh, self myofascial release to one degree or another is like a mainstay of almost all strength sports, right? Almost all sports in, in general, uh, pretty much every, from casual to professional sports person is going to have a, a foam roller or a lacrosse ball or whatever in their, in their kit bag, right? So-

    9. GL

      Sure.

    10. CW

      ... to one degree people are aware that the fascia is important, but it sounds like you're putting a lot more emphasis on it than previous-

    11. GL

      Correct.

    12. CW

      ... previously had been. Is that right?

    13. GL

      Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a lot of stuff. I mean, we don't have the time on this podcast to dig into it, and if people want to listen, there's, there's a lot more where, where I've, I've gone into this into deeper fashions. But basically, you think about it this way. Um, the, the fascia is, uh, completely wraps a body. It's super intelligent. It tra, information travels beyond the speed of light, faster than you can feel it. Like if you were to, if you were to sit there right now and you clench your right jaw, you'll feel it in your right foot the second you clench your right jaw. The th- the problem is, is that a nerve signal takes about a second and a half to make that same distance to transit. And so if you really look at it, is the way that we're getting information that our brain and our body operates on, is it really what we're told? And the answer scientifically is coming up, no and no and no.

    14. CW

      So you think-

    15. GL

      Everywhere.

    16. CW

      ... you, you think that it's something to do with the fascia that's communicating, is that right? Like the fascia's communicating signals?

    17. GL

      It, it does. There's no question about it. Um, it takes a second and a half for a nerve signal to go from the foot to the brain back to the foot again. So when you walk off a curb and you hit a sharp rock, how can you move so fast? You know, in medicine we say it's, in science we say, "Oh, it's a reflex." Like the ganglion reflex. But, but that's an in, that's an unintelligent movement. If I hit my knee, a doctor hits my knee with a hammer, my knee is going to jolt, right?

    18. CW

      Yeah.

    19. GL

      But if I step off a curb and I have zero drop shoes and I step on a rock and I jump and I move intelligently, that's not the same response as a doctor hitting my knee with a hammer. So the question is, a nerve signal cannot travel to the brain that fast, so how is that signal getting there? Yeah, I, I know-

    20. CW

      Good question. Good quest-

    21. GL

      I know, it's a-

    22. CW

      Good, good question.

    23. GL

      ... good question. Well, so our, our hypothesis is it's fascia, and we deliver it every day by, we know we can, we can demo it in just 10 seconds while you're sitting here on a table. But the whole point is, let's just say this. Without getting into the particulars and having cat fights about what is and what isn't, let's just say that the information that we have doesn't adequately explain the experiences that we are currently living in. And if that's the case, then we, that, that just opens the door to have to look and investigate. And the Human Garage is We recognize that there's a truth in every single modality that's out there, and you know that we have MDs, we have chiropractors, we have, uh, nutritionists, we have naturopath doctors, we've got body workers, we've got PTs, our neurologically trained trainers. We've got every form, or every discipline that helps a human body into one location.

    24. CW

      You were very well-

    25. GL

      But not only one location.

    26. CW

      ... you were very well armed with, um, different practitioners while I was there. There was about, I think maybe six people upstairs, all of whom were from a different background or a different discipline-

    27. GL

      Sure.

    28. CW

      ... and then at one point I think about four of f- four of them were working on me.

  7. 24:00 – 27:09

    What sessions look like: multi-practitioner standing work and fascial ‘inputs’

    1. GL

      Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and that's the other part too, is that the body, you know, we can get into that too, but the body just, uh, it's, it, it's not the way that we think it is. And again, if we open up that question and that thought process, you start to, you start to investigate and look at more. So part of the reason why there's four people working on you is that there's three distinct regions of the body, the lumbar, the thoracic, and the cervical. And each of those regions have its, has its own little eco structure, things that it does that's important. Like, like pressure relief valve. Your head has a pressure relief valve, it's your ears. Your lumbar has a pressure relief valve.... that's your, yeah, your, your backside. And your diaphragm itself, at the top, the diaphragm has two pressure relief valves, one with the esophagus and one with the arteries. And, and the body's always trying to balance the pressure and the mechanics. And what you experience when you're there, there's three of us working on you, you're standing up, and there's three people touching you in different areas of your body. And what we're doing is stimulating a response, and we're asking your body to figure itself out.

    2. CW

      Yeah. For, for, just as a, a brief segue here, if anyone is listening on iTunes, you're going to have to imagine this, or Spotify, wherever you're tuning in. However, if you are on YouTube, I'll make sure that video guy, Dean, overlays all of the footage, all of the imagery that I got while I was having this treatment in Human Garage. So head to Modern Wisdom on YouTube to check that out if you want to see just what Gary's actually talking about here. But it does, it does look a little bit like a ... if it's a still image, it looks a little bit like an army of people are maybe fighting me.

    3. GL

      (laughs)

    4. CW

      But if you see (laughs) , if you see a video, it's a number of people, um, twisting, right? There's a twisting motion going on.

    5. GL

      Yeah. Yeah. And what we're, and what we're doing is we're provi- we're prov- providing fascial inputs to different regions of the body. And the reason why we do this, this is actually the interesting thing, Chris, is, uh, because people that have no reference to this, they're like, "Why are you doing therapy standing up?" And I'm like, "Well, it's pretty simple in my mind. Uh, we're meant to be standing and walking in gravity, so if I want my body to act in a certain way, the best thing to do is put it in its natural environment and let it figure itself out." I looked at the human body and said this, you know, again, asking dumb questions. I, I looked at it and said, "Okay, if I'm going to fix myself, I'm going to approach it like a tech problem, like I did everything else." And I said, "What are, what's my goal? I want ... I have back pain, neck pain, I have bloating, I have brain fog, I have, I have pain in my (laughs) feet." Um, I want to be able to stand and walk without pain and dysfunction. And is ... And at that point, that's all I was saying. I mean, I'm at the point now where I want to play sports again for the first time in two decades, which is really cool.

    6. CW

      What sp- what sport are you going to choose to play?

    7. GL

      I don't know. You know, I've been trying to make a decision, which I go back to, but I'm such a fan of golf, but I want to do something team-based, so maybe it's some ball sports (laughs)

    8. CW

      You've got, you've got the build ... uh, having been around you for a little while, you've got the build for someone a little bit bigger than a golfer.

    9. GL

      (laughs)

    10. CW

      (laughs)

    11. GL

      I know, it's just that little white ball, it's such a pesky thing, you know? It's like all, all I want it to do is get in the hole, and all it does is fight me. (laughs)

    12. CW

      Yeah. Yeah, I've, uh, I've, I've felt that, felt that pain before as well.

  8. 27:09 – 31:37

    Gravity, atmospheric pressure, and the ‘spiral’ (torque patterns and common injuries)

    1. GL

      So, so the strongest action, I looked at it and said, "Okay, what is it ... what are the things that are imposed on, on the body?" And literally, I wrote it down like this, gravity, atmospheric pressure, um, emotional stress, uh, sleep deprivation, dehydration. I went through it and list all the things that were potentially wrong in my body, or that were wrong, and only to find out that the first two had never been thought about in 3,500 years. We've never considered our body's ability to adapt, um, to co- uh, to compensate around atmospheric pressure and gravity! And since those are the two factors that are the, the single largest imposing factors on the human condition, is atmospheric pressure and gravity, and in 3,500 years, we've never considered that at any form of therapy, mechanics, sports mechanics, in any way, shape, or form. That just doesn't seem logical to me. And (clears throat) so when we, when we looked at that, we started ... we said, "Well, what happens when we put the body in gravity?" And what we found out, as you saw, Chris, is a very unique thing happens. The body's strongest ab- strongest action of a human existence is our ability to adapt or compensate, and we're great at compensating. Now, the thing is, when we put the body in gravity and we give it inputs, the body has to adapt to our inputs and gravity, and the adaptation is a unification between the three areas of the body. And once that happens, everything else starts to just work better.

    2. CW

      Okay. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I remember when we sat down, I remember you discussing the spiral of gravity going down and how that can affect, uh, affect different areas of the body. I remember you speaking about the atmospheric pressure as well.

    3. GL

      Correct. Yeah.

    4. CW

      So how do, how do natural forces like pressure, air pressure, and gravity, how do they unprime the body? Or how do they prime the body for injury, should I say? Or how do they unprime it for being optimal?

    5. GL

      Right. Okay. So yeah, um, I'm trying to (laughs) trying to decide how far we go into these discussions, but-

    6. CW

      As far as you want, Gary.

    7. GL

      Yeah. With ... Well, we do have a time restriction though.

    8. CW

      We do.

    9. GL

      So we've got about 30 minutes left, right? So-

    10. CW

      Yeah.

    11. GL

      So the ... Uh, so basically, imagine this, you're on a ... if you've never held a gyroscope, I encourage people to just hold one for once, 'cause you put a little gyroscope the size of your palm in your hand, and you hold it and your arm's straight out, and your whole body will want to turn around in it. It's bizarre. But basically, we live on the planet Earth, uh, Earth spins at 1,000 miles an hour, and, uh, that creates a centrifugal or spin gravity. And it travels at 66,000 miles an hour around the sun, so it's another gravitational force. And what we're doing is we're standing against it, and gravity's not just pulling us down, it actually pulls us and slightly torques us-

    12. CW

      Hmm.

    13. GL

      ... and depending on our orientation and where we are, hemispheres, northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere, there's a slight difference. At the equator, there's a difference, because gravity is imposing a different force on us in those behavior, or in those, in those areas. So when we're in the northern hemisphere and we're being pulled down, uh, typically, you're going to have a little bit of a pull from your left shoulder to your right hip. So you're pulling and rotating into your right a little bit. And that's why most people, that's why the most common injuries, 80% of the people, they tend to have injuries in the same generalized areas, and that's because we have the same basic forces applied upon us. Um-

    14. CW

      So eight, 80% of people in the northern hemisphere have got an injury which is left shoulder or right hip, is that correct?

    15. GL

      ... though they got a tension pattern in the left shoulder and right hip.

    16. CW

      Okay.

    17. GL

      Usually, yeah, so we have a, a little joke here, uh, at the garage, we say that murderers are silent, but victims scream. And what I mean by that is, is that the tight muscle's the murderer. You don't feel it, it's silent. But what you feel is all the muscles reacting to it, all the screaming from all the muscles that are trying to resolve that one issue b- the one muscle being tight.

    18. CW

      That's the referred pain, so to speak, right?

    19. GL

      Yeah. The referred pain or a reaction to it. So, so typically people are tighter on one side. Most people can tell you, "I'm tighter on my right side or my left side." And most people are tighter on one side of their body, and the injuries typically happen on the other side, because the body's compensating around it. But what I am saying is, is that 80% of people have the same basic tension pattern, because we do things basically the same way. Uh, we, we tend to throw the ball most of the time with our right hand, right with our right hand. Now, there's lefties too, and there's people that are back and forth,

  9. 31:37 – 34:41

    Scaling the clinic: high appointment volume, open-format learning, and equalized care

    1. GL

      goofy or am- ambidextrous, but just generally, the majority of the world has, has the s- the same type of issues. So, if the same forces are implied upon the body, then that comes into things like socialization. Do I play a sport? Do I walk? Do I sit down? And all those things just start to change, and but after a while, you start to know th- pat- notice patterns. In the physical medicine industry, most practitioners you'd see, uh, about, they have about 25 or 35 appointments a week. 35 is on the top side usually.

    2. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    3. GL

      And you're going to see people usually once or twice a week. Twice a week is kind of the norm when you're in a repair status. And so, you're talking about somebody having somewhere between 12 and 18 clients a week they see, and they're going to double it up over the course of the month, and they're going to see them a couple of times in a month. So, they're most likely seeing about 50 to 60 people a month. In the Human Garage, and you know our format's open, we're, you know, we're into the two and a half to 3,000 appointments a month. So, we have such a broader aspect to see things, and since it's an open format, um, I'm not only a witness as what's happening on my table when I'm working on you, Chris-

    4. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    5. GL

      ... or when we're working in the corner, I can see all the other people working and what's going on. So, my, my, uh, scope of what, what is normal or what patterns are starts to, uh, starts to really enlarge. And-

    6. CW

      I guess your, your, your sample that you're taking data from, in whatever form you want to say that-

    7. GL

      Mm-hmm.

    8. CW

      ... is wider by (laughs) , by a pretty big factor. If you guys-

    9. GL

      Yeah. I think it is.

    10. CW

      ... if you guys are moving through between 2,000 to 3,000 clients a month, and as you said at the beginning, and this is something that I did want to emphasize for people that are listening at home, the range of, um, the range of clients that I saw while I was in there, I think you had a pregnant woman followed by me-

    11. GL

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      ... then followed by the guy who played Superman-

    13. GL

      Yes.

    14. CW

      ... in the 2005 movie? Is that right?

    15. GL

      Yeah. Brandon Rouse. Yeah.

    16. CW

      Brandon, Brandon Rouse, is it?

    17. GL

      Rouse. Yeah. Yeah.

    18. CW

      Yeah. So-

    19. GL

      Yeah, and-

    20. CW

      And y- and you've got NFL players-

    21. GL

      And you have, you have, you have pro athletes-

    22. CW

      ... and you've got basketball players and ...

    23. GL

      Yeah. Yeah. All sitting there-

    24. CW

      So-

    25. GL

      ... on the same tables right beside each other, going through the same therapy. You know, my general thing is if it works, it works, and it shouldn't be less because you have less money. Um, ours are ... we're neutralizing therapy costs, so if people pay the same price for ... the same work that gets done on a professional athlete gets done on a pregnant lady.

    26. CW

      Well, that's it.

    27. GL

      I mean, we maybe do different therapies, but ...

    28. CW

      Yeah. You might not quite have the same physiological demands. But it's nice, it's certainly nice for people to be able to feel like they get the same level of treatment. I certainly know from personal experience that if you go into some physiotherapy studios, you know if you've kind of been put in with the apprentice or the master sometimes.

    29. GL

      Sure.

    30. CW

      And, and th- especially when your health's on the line or an injury's on the line and you want to feel like you're getting the best service, it's not a, it's not a very conducive environment-

  10. 34:41 – 37:11

    Systematizing results: training ‘torque mechanics’ and de-emphasizing the guru model

    1. GL

      So that's an-

    2. CW

      ... definitely not for healing, right?

    3. GL

      (laughs) Yeah, that's an in- that's an interesting dilemma, Chris, because then, you know, in the world of healthcare, we, what we do is we, we, uh, we, um, put the practitioner, the guy who has the therapy on a pedestal. And you'll see that even if you go through our media and stuff like that, you'll see, uh, podcasts from all my practitioners, doctors, and stuff like that, because this isn't about me, first of all. And, um, second of all, is that it's not a very good strategy to have the f- to have the, the access to help people a limited resource. So, I am a limited resource. There's only one of me. And, um, but the idea is to be able to take and have a system that allows my, that allows my staff, whether they've been here two months or three months or six months or 12 months or a year or five years, to be able to deliver the sa- get the same end result. And the same end result is ... and we found a way of systematically doing it, uh-

    4. CW

      So, you've been able to-

    5. GL

      ... um, with the junior practitioners as-

    6. CW

      I was gonna say, you've been able to expedite your training. Is that right?

    7. GL

      Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of hands-on. The junior practitioners are the hands for the senior practitioners, and our practitioners are called mot- motion mechanics and torque mechanics. So, what happens is you start off as an assistant, um, and depending on your level of skill, your ability to understand, you move to become a torque mechanic, and then the senior, the, the most advanced part is a, is a ma- is a motion mechanic and then a master motion mechanic. And the, the, the difference really is, is that we encourage our, our practitioners to be multi-disciplined. Like, for example, a master motion mechanic makes more money than a motion mechanic, but the reason why is because they understand in neurological rehabilitation, they understand the chemistry and the supplementation aspect, they understand the fascia work, they understand the chiropractic portion, so they have a wider range of knowledge. And but at the end of the day-... really, all you care about is, as a client, is that you come in, the pain that you have or the issue you have is looked at, understood, addressed, and resolved. And that's what we've been good at. And, um, um, and it's, it's not The Gary Lineham Show, for sure.

    8. CW

      (laughs)

    9. GL

      And I'm trying to make myself less and less and less available. Um-

    10. CW

      Well, I mean, that's how you-

    11. GL

      ... and with-

    12. CW

      ... from a business perspective, that's how you make yourself, uh, how you make the business bigger than you, right? And obviously, that's how you s-

    13. GL

      Mm-hmm.

    14. CW

      ... you allow yourself to scale as well. Um-

    15. GL

      Yeah.

  11. 37:11 – 48:21

    Skepticism vs outcomes: when results conflict with professional identity

    1. CW

      ... I think what you've touched on, uh, the, there must be, you must hear some skeptical voices in the industry-

    2. GL

      Mm-hmm.

    3. CW

      ... both from people who are established-

    4. GL

      Mm-hmm.

    5. CW

      ... and defensive, from people who don't understand-

    6. GL

      Mm-hmm.

    7. CW

      ... or aren't willing to understand. Um, but I think what you focused on is correct. If someone comes in and they have a pain or they have a discomfort or they have a problem, and when they leave or at the end of their course of treatment or whatever it is, if that has been reduced, then the method has been effective. And-

    8. GL

      Correct.

    9. CW

      ... do you think in the industry some-

    10. GL

      Not everybody buys into that though. You know, like, I, I'll give you a really, I'll give you an example. Uh, 25% of our clients are doc- doctors, medical practitioners, chiropractors, physical therapists, surgeons, whatever. And, uh, I was dealing with a guy not too long ago. He'd been in pain for about 15 years. Um, and within 45 minutes, he's out of pain, literally out of pain for the first time in 15 years. And, and I said, you know, he was in, uh, somebody else got him to come in, bought him a initial consultation. It was, it was kind of pushed him into going. And, uh, and, and he's, he's an orthopedic by the way. And, uh, and at the end of it, I, I just said, "Hey. Well, how do you feel?" He says, "I, interesting enough, I'm out of pain." And I said, "Well, let's, let's go forward and let's, let's take this to the next step and let's work this out so that you can have this as per- permanent solution. You know, something that, you know, how to manage." He goes, "You know, science hasn't worked out on this." I say, "You know, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a little while to see, to see how this all shapes up." And I'm like, "You gotta be kidding. You've been in pain for 15 years. You're now out of pain for the first time in 15 years, and you want to wait and talk to somebody about it?" You know, it's-

    11. CW

      Yeah. That's, I mean, that's, that's-

    12. GL

      It's-

    13. CW

      ... kind of, that's a perfect example for what I was referring to there, which is potentially people dogmatically sticking to whatever their ideology is, whatever their school of thought is-

    14. GL

      (clears throat)

    15. CW

      ... and not, not permitting themselves to allow the effect of whatever the treatment is to move through them. So I mean, why-

    16. GL

      That's a society, Chris, that's a society thing. So we, we value in our society time and lineage more than we value results.

    17. CW

      (laughs) That's a-

    18. GL

      It's, it's true.

    19. CW

      ... that's a lovely, a lovely little synopsis. No, you, you're to- you're absolutely right. I mean, it, does it feel sometimes like you guys at The Human Garage because you are quite progressive, you know, there's a bed of crystals for, um, d-charging-

    20. GL

      (laughs)

    21. CW

      ... which I want to get on to in a second, and there's the talk therapy and three practitioners working at once. Do you sometimes feel like that's maybe an easy target for, um, kind of vindictive, uh, critics and stuff like that to go after?

    22. GL

      You know, I, I don't... I, I guess it could be. I don't know if it hasn't been so far and I'll tell you why, is because publicly, we've never told people how we do what we do. We just do it. So, so the one thing it's hard to argue with, you can't argue with, with results. We, we-

    23. CW

      You also can't, you also can't argue against a process that you don't know what it is either, I suppose.

    24. GL

      Correct. Yeah. You can't pick it apart. So and, and by the way, that's purpose, per- personally. Like, how do you, do you really care how I did it or do you just really want to know that it's been done? 'Cause you know, I can spend all this time drawing out the technical aspects and talking about the science of it and back and forth and our investigation, how we found it, or, or just, just want it done. And that's... So the idea is that it, it kind of splits into two categories. The people who just really want to get it done and very initially, and then, uh, then the ones that, that, you know, that have to understand. And if they want to understand, they come in here, we'll explain. We explain to people as they come through the process. Um, we, we explain everything that we're doing, why we're doing it. We, we show them the thought process, even if they have some history, like they're a body worker or a chiropractor. "This is how you would look at it before, correct? This is how we look at it, and this is what we're going to do." And we're always there to explain to people, but just generally, as a rule of thumb, I think that the more we try to explain right now, the more, uh, the less credible it sounds. I mean, uh, listen, I was just working just before I got, I got on this podcast with you. I had a guy that I've been working with, and he was an old client. He's been, you know, uh, probably four and a half years ago, five years ago, really when we were starting the thought process, right? And, uh, so he had, has been, been here in about four years, somewhere in that range. He comes back in, and normally looking at him, it would have been, "Okay, we're going to be here for the next, uh, 12 hours of therapy, six sessions or seven sessions, eight sessions." And in 35 minutes, he walked out better than he had ever walked out of The Human Garage. And, and that was, that's a, that's a shift because even for a practitioner who's used to delivering a result but, but they know what kind of time and energy it takes to deliver the results, to be in a situation where, you know, 20, 30 minutes they can do more than they used to do in 8 to 10 hours. That's a little hard for people to swallow. And by the way, that's our biggest problem with, uh, practitioners today is training them, is that it just looks too simple.

    25. CW

      They can't let go of the tether to their previous education-

    26. GL

      Yeah. (coughs)

    27. CW

      ... to, to one degree or another.

    28. GL

      Oh, yeah. And this has got to be the worst industry in the world where people are tethered to an education I've ever seen.

    29. CW

      Well, it's, it's interesting. So I was, I was learning about, uh, a, a theory called working from first principles. It's something which Elon Musk does a lot, and it definitely sounds to me like your, for want of a better term, your lack of education, formal education within the industry has permitted you to look at these issues in a new light. And-

    30. GL

      Yeah.

  12. 48:21 – 52:00

    Strength & conditioning after ‘untorquing’: restoring movement patterns + home demo

    1. CW

      ... finish up. So, first off, I want to talk about how you think that, um, strength and conditioning complements what you're doing or how they fit into what it is that you guys are doing. We've discussed the fact-

    2. GL

      Okay.

    3. CW

      ... that the body, the body repatterns movements and moves itself around pain. To me, it would feel, if someone's had pain for an awful long time and has reprogrammed bad movement patterns, it seems difficult to believe that they would be able to be repatterned in the space of one hour. Does that make sense?

    4. GL

      Yeah, fair enough. Uh, so the- so there's- there's, uh, there's structural, uh, so the balances, the energy that my body uses to stand against gravity, and then there's movement. Movement is where those patterns come in, and if you don't re- rehabilitate motion or movement afterwards, then the- w- we are basically, our bodies are a collection of everything that we have done to date, whether it's movement, whether it's food, whether it's drugs, whether it's, uh, psychological/emotional health issues. Our body is a scoreboard for everything. And, um, and if you could think, maybe we could, uh, do one thing for the listeners.

    5. CW

      Yeah.

    6. GL

      If you could take and put your hands on your knees so your thumbs are on the inside, um, so thumbs are on the inside and your knees-

    7. CW

      I'm doing, I'm doing it now. I'm doing it now. Yeah.

    8. GL

      Okay, so turn from your thumb on your one side, your right knee, turn your thumb towards your little finger, so you're turning away from the center of your body.

    9. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    10. GL

      And initially, w- within seconds, you're gonna feel your arch tighten up. You're gonna feel your quad, your lateralis tighten up, your glute tighten up, and all the way up into the back. Do you get any of that, Chris?

    11. CW

      I think, well, I've got sweaty hands at the moment, but yeah. Yeah. I think-

    12. GL

      Yeah.

    13. CW

      Yeah.

    14. GL

      Okay, so- so basically, what that is is applying a little bit of lateral torque in the knee, and then all these muscles, uh, two lateralis, the, uh, gastrocs, the, uh, medial arch, um, my piriformis all tighten up immediately. If you turn it the other way, so that the little fingers are coming to the thumbs and you hold that, within seconds, your back will release, your quads will release, your legs will release. And that's- that's a side example, by the way. That- we have a home care program, we're gonna be out in about two months where, uh, partnering with Gwyneth Paltrow and we're putting it out to the world for free.

    15. CW

      You're partnering-

    16. GL

      And it can reduce-

    17. CW

      ... with Gwyneth Paltrow for a home care program.

    18. GL

      Yeah-

    19. CW

      That is a big n- that is a really, really big name to have behind a home care program. I mean, it's not one that I would have immediately ... I guess, is Gwyneth Paltrow into her, uh, wellness and- and stuff like that?

    20. GL

      Yeah, she has- she has a platform out here called Goop, G-O-O-P.

    21. CW

      Okay. What's the- what's the f-

    22. GL

      Um, don't ask about the names. (laughs)

    23. CW

      (laughs) It's not- it's not- doesn't sound very nice, does it? But, um, so what does Goop do?

    24. GL

      Uh, they're- it's a health and wellness platform, but it's for people that are moving towards health and wellness. It's not the same kind of people that we're talking about-

    25. CW

      Okay.

    26. GL

      ... who are into fitness, nutrition, who can re- repeat to you what they're, you know, why they're taking a microbiome test and stuff like this. These are more, it's just a broader base of people.

    27. CW

      Yup.

    28. GL

      But it has a big reach. It has, you know, roughly about 50 million people in the reach.

    29. CW

      Wow.

    30. GL

      And so what we're doing is a home care program which is, in 15 to 20 minutes, you can reduce your own tension and pain in your body by up to- up to 75%. The reason why we're doing that, and the reason I did that with your knees, that's one of the home care activities, and the reason why we- we're releasing this in this way is that part of the time that we're rolling out and stretching tight muscles, when it's really just the torque in a joint, and if we remove the torque out of the joint, the muscles automatically relax. Um, I'll send it over

  13. 52:00 – 55:10

    Athlete performance claim: removing joint torque to unlock speed/strength

    1. GL

      to you, Chris, but I'll send, uh, I was working with, uh, for those of you guys football fans, but different football out here. We have-

    2. CW

      American, yup. (laughs)

    3. GL

      ... American football. We have the Philadelphia Eagles and Haloti Ngata. He's a 345-pound linebacker, and, uh, you know, he's- he's- he's been in the league for 16 years, I think. He, uh, you know, he's one of those guys that walks really slow from the car to the- to place, and he doesn't move that fast, right?

    4. CW

      (laughs)

    5. GL

      He's a linebacker.

    6. CW

      He's 345 pounds. I'm surprised he can get out of the car. He's a big old boy.

    7. GL

      Oh, he's big, big boy, yeah. So, uh, we did the, uh, torque work on him, and, uh, without any warmup, he just ran, he ran the 40, he ran it eight times. He, uh, ran it as fast as when- as the day he qualified in the league. And we did no other form of therapy to him. We just removed what was stopping him from performing. So my- my basic belief is this, is that the body and the muscles are designed to do a job, and the job that they're designed to do, if you remove the restrictions, it'll do it.

    8. CW

      And the-

    9. GL

      So we spend all this time try- trying to get, like, my glute to fire harder or whatever. Remove the torque from the muscles and the body will perform accordingly.

    10. CW

      So, this goes back to your, one of the first principles that you mentioned, which is that you believe that the body- the body knows what it wants to do, and the body's able to fix itself, but sometimes there's inhibitions and these roadblocks that get in the way.

    11. GL

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      And those are- those are manifesting themselves in the fascia, mostly-

    13. GL

      In the joints. In the fascia, in the joints.

    14. CW

      ... in the fascia, in the joints, mostly, and the- one of the remedies to that is untorquing?

    15. GL

      Yeah, and if you untorque the muscles, then you get to see what's really happening because like- it's like when we did the knee. You felt- uh, you felt the couple muscles starting to tighten up. Well, if you hold that there for 30 minutes, you're gonna wanna- you're gonna wanna take a roller and roll out that muscle. But if you just have to turn the knee and- and pro- provide a counter torque, and that all goes away by itself, then the rolling of the muscle was actually an ineffective action. It was actually creating damage to the body or tension the body didn't need to have. And that's part of the- that's part of the issue. So like, what we've done with our athletes is they- they stretch between 75 and 90% less once their body's untorqued, and they have a basic untorquing pattern for themselves. And, uh, and little things like this is like, uh, like running pro athletes without warming up. I'm not suggesting you do that, but-

    16. CW

      Yeah.

    17. GL

      ... but- but I, you know, knowing what we're doing, I'm taking a pro athlete who doesn't run, and he's running his fastest time in 16 years just by taking the torque out of the joints.

    18. CW

      I mean, it sounds ... Some of the, uh, some of the results, some of the claims are- they're unbelievable. Um, it- it's-

    19. GL

      Yeah. Yeah, and the- the cool part about it is is that's- that's because they're all true, and-

    20. CW

      Yeah. Yeah, well-

    21. GL

      And it's- it's- that's a base of what we- based our therapy on what you said earlier about skeptical. Yeah, you can be skeptical about it, but you can't argue with the results.

    22. CW

      ... that's-

    23. GL

      You can argue with why we got them.

    24. CW

      (laughs) Yeah. That's the, that's the bottom line, hey? So I wanted to finish off, I know that there will be some healthcare practitioners and also some soft tissue workers, chiropractors, other physiotherapists, and other people who work with people close to them on a daily basis. A lot of my, uh, co-hosts on this are in the medical profession as well.

    25. GL

      Sure.

  14. 55:10 – 58:39

    Practitioner energy, crystals, and clearing ‘carryover’ from patients

    1. CW

      And we had a really interesting discussion when you laid me down on a bed that had crystals underneath it.

    2. GL

      Yeah.

    3. CW

      And I just wanted you to try and retell-

    4. GL

      (laughs)

    5. CW

      ... re- try and retell one of the stories that you had to do with the way that people who are practicing on patients can sometimes have a, uh, they can have a bad time due to-

    6. GL

      Yeah.

    7. CW

      ... due to the way-

    8. GL

      Energies.

    9. CW

      ... that the patients are feeling, yeah. I just wanted-

    10. GL

      Yeah, yeah. I mean-

    11. CW

      ... I wanted to hear that 'cause I was fascinated by that.

    12. GL

      Sure. I mean, look it, uh, you walk into a room, somebody walks into a room, they're really angry, you can feel it. You know? There's, sometimes it's like that. Like a friend walks in or, or a wife or girlfriend walks in the room, you did something wrong, you feel it. So energy is transferred, and energy is transferred and collected. And there's like, there's just, there's so much science to prove that's true to even ackno- to say that it doesn't is, is not right anymore. Um, and so what happens is the body collects and holds onto the energy from people. And so what we've done is we, we use a lot of techniques but we just don't say the things. Like I say, crystals on the table, I showed you that. That's a little trade secret. We, uh, use quartz crystals organized around a table in a very specific fashion to create a net result. And one of them is decompression. And decompression and what causes compression is trauma or torque, same thing. So what we do is, uh, as we started putting the crystals on the tables, the clients, uh, treatment, uh, would speed up by twice, and the practitioners could do three to five times more work without feeling the fatigue they would normally feel. Um, and it's basically, again, it's just using something that doesn't sound like it's credible, so we just don't make a big deal out of it. We just do it because it works.

    13. CW

      That's interesting. I think, uh, there's definitely an implication, no matter whether you think that the solution is quartz crystals on a bed or mindfulness practice or sitting with your thoughts or yoga or anything, I think that there is definitely an implication for healthcare professionals that by one system or another, whether it's socially, psychologically, as you're discussing, the mechanism that this particular energy works on, I do think that it is, um, it's an important, uh, an important thing for them to keep in mind that they are dealing with people that are sick and unwell all the time.

    14. GL

      Yeah. Absolutely. And th- and there's, there's a lot of stuff that goes along with that. Uh, I mean, I used to get sick going home, and I wasn't, like, I didn't put hands on people until just a little under ten years ago. And, and I, I didn't, wasn't prepared for what would happen when you have, when you're working with sick and, and frustrated and people that have been through horrible abuses and sexual abuse and physical abuse and all kinds of injuries and stuff like that. That stuff is, it's pretty thick and pretty heavy, and having a mechanism to clear it is really important. If you're a practitioner and you don't have a daily routine or routine to clear that stuff, eventually it adds up. And what we're doing is we see a p- see practitioners who are, been 20, 25, 30 years working with people like that, and we're cleaning up that mess now. It's best that people, if you don't have a routine, to learn one. And a lot of the stuff that we use, uh, Chris, uh, over the next, uh, between now and, uh, Q1 next year, we'll be publishing a lot of it-

    15. CW

      I was literally-

    16. GL

      ... uh, for free.

    17. CW

      ... I was literally just, I was literally just about to say, so obviously you're talking about the, the home therapy that you've been doing, which is typ- typically more for patients. For prac-

    18. GL

      Yeah.

    19. CW

      ... for practitioners, will there be any resources that they'll be able to tap into which will assist them?

  15. 58:39 – 1:04:43

    What’s next: certifications, licensing model, and how to find The Human Garage

    1. GL

      Y- yeah. A couple of th- things, uh, a- again, if it's, if it works at home, it usually works in a practitioner environment. So, um, uh, so yeah, how we organize crystals around a table and different effects, including decompression, charging, uh, the body, um, e- energize for both male and female. There's also, uh, for the first time ever in the history of The Garage, uh, we're going to be, uh, doing outward certifications starting in about three months, and we're gonna be training our, uh, training torque mechanics. And our intention is to use... torque mechanics work really well with chiropractic offices, um, because the body often, the spine, when it's been torqued for a long time and it gets un-torqued, it needs to be, uh, needs to be adjusted. And so we're gonna be, uh, certifying torque mechanics out because the one thing that we have is we have people from all over the world trying to get in. The one thing that we're short on is people to deliver care. So we're gonna take the care on the road and, uh, instead of just trying to build a bunch of human Garages, we're just gonna start training people how to, how to help people as quick as we can.

    2. CW

      You'd mentioned that before, is that going to be, uh, uh, franchising or a licensing or how's that gonna work?

    3. GL

      Yeah. So the general modal- general mode is, uh, that, uh, people that are registered torque mechanics will get leads from us because we have, we have a plethora of leads coming in.

    4. CW

      I was gonna say-

    5. GL

      And-

    6. CW

      ... y- y- you're not gonna be short on lead generation, right?

    7. GL

      No. No. That's not gonna be a problem. (laughs) Um, as a matter of fact, that's part of the reason why we took down our website years ago is just that, uh, you have to, you have to have some sort of control of the flow. And now we want to open it up and, uh, and give, give people like, literally, if you're a chiropractor out there and you want to do this work, you'll be able to do portions of this work by having two torque mechanics work with you. And what our chiropractors, uh, will tell you is that they have a 75%, uh, reduction of force in the adjustment, and the adjustment lasts three to five times longer when you take the torque out of the body.

    8. CW

      Wow. Well, I mean, you know, it, (laughs) I think over the coming, the coming weeks and coming months, I'll definitely be posting a lot more of your stuff. Uh, I think there'll be a lot of people that will be interested in it. Can you tell the-

    9. GL

      For sure.

    10. CW

      ... can you tell the listeners at home, there will be some people that I know that are listening in LA and not too far from you, can they, can you tell them where they can find you first online and then where the practice is?

    11. GL

      Sure, yeah. We're in, uh, Marina Del Rey on, uh Beach Avenue,right down in the heart of Venice and Marina Del Rey. Um, you can get us at, uh, humangarage.net. And if they are coming off your podcast, if they put your name in the referral bar, th- they're not gonna get in right away, but they're gonna jump to the head of the line. We take care of our, our clients, their referrals, our media partners first and their referrals. And then, then we go off to everybody else after that. So, they put your name into our wait list, uh, what we'll do is we'll move them to the, to the front of the wait li- uh, the wait list.

    12. CW

      That's fantastic. Thank you. I really appreciate that, Gary. So, eh, if you're listening at home, modern wisdom, when you do your referral, or quote Chris Williamson yourself. I wanted to say as well, Gary, I've actually got the, uh, guys behind essential oil coming on soon.

    13. GL

      Yeah.

    14. CW

      Essential Oil Wizardry. Um-

    15. GL

      Oh, you got ... Ugh, Dr. Nick, man, he is my favorite. Do- Dr. Nick is a special human being.

    16. CW

      (laughs) He's ...

    17. GL

      And, uh, there are no, there are no oils anywhere in the world like his. We have searched the, the entire world, and that's why we've partnered with Essential Oil Wizardry.

    18. CW

      I know, so I, uh, I, I heard him on Ben Greenfield, and I, I really wanted to get a hold of him after I'd, uh, after I'd listened to him. It's another, you know, t- from a similar kind of school as yourselves, it's, it's the sort of thing which does sound contrary and it sounds different, but, you know, bottom line results, results are, are interesting, and I think it's worthy of further investigation.

    19. GL

      Well, the, uh, the, um, British Medical Journal, uh, was the first one, I think, to report on two things. Um, we should, you know, 'cause we, we, we listen to allopathic, but British Medicine Journal reported on, um, MRSA, seven, seven clients who used manuka honey, and, uh, terminal, terminal clients for MRSA, um, and used manuka honey to clear it. And the other part too is, uh, is the, other than the American Medical Journal, they have lots of references to essential oils' frequency, um, that there's not a bacteria in the world that is resistant to essential oils. Um, so that's one you can st- you know, you can put in your back pocket and use.

    20. CW

      Tho- tho- those are some unbelievable sort of stats there. That's the British Medical Journal talking about manuka honey and, uh, bacteria resistance to aromatherapy oils, right?

    21. GL

      Yeah. It's, it's, it's pretty incredible. They had seven patients there who had lesions, they were gonna die from MRSA, and they, at this point, they got nothing left, they tried whatever, so they, uh, used manuka honey. All seven of them lived. And, uh, there's a whole bunch of things like that coming. Just watch over the next couple years. Uh, what we think is, what we've been told and what we think about how the body works, just not that way, and I just encourage people to have an open mind and just investigate a little bit more. And keep asking the question, "Why?"

    22. CW

      I was gonna say, do you, do you feel like this is the beginning of the crest of a wave towards a new direction for, um, wellness and for, uh, the way that the medical world looks at-

    23. GL

      Absolutely.

    24. CW

      ... looks at fixing people?

    25. GL

      Absolutely. We are on the, we are on the forefront. We're, we are, we are breaking, uh, new science, new frontiers every single day here. And if we're doing it here, there's other people doing it all over the world. We just don't know about them yet. Maybe we're in a better spot, we get a bit more media here. But whoever you are out there, if you're actually changing the world and, and doing things that are gonna actually benefit the world, just keep doing it and don't listen to people.

    26. CW

      Well, hopefully we'll have, uh, contacted some of them and they'll have a kindred spirit with yourself-

    27. GL

      (laughs)

    28. CW

      ... on the other side-

    29. GL

      For sure. (laughs)

    30. CW

      ... on the other side of the internet. So Gary, I really appreciate your time. I, I loved my time when I came out to come and see you. I'm hopefully gonna be back in LA not very soon, and I can't wait to come back and see you again. Um-

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