Modern WisdomA New Approach To Optimising Human Movement | The Human Garage
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(wind blowing) Hi, friends. Now,…
- CWChris Williamson
(wind blowing) Hi, friends. Now, you may remember earlier on this year that I got to go away to LA and I got to see the guys from ROM WOD, which was really cool, got to record some routines with them. I also got to go and see the guys from the Human Garage. Now, the Human Garage is a wellness and movement specialist facility near Santa Monica, uh, just off LA's beach, and I first heard of them when Ben Greenfield mentioned them on his podcast. They have a very progressive, very forward-thinking, and different alternative view of human anatomy and wellness in general. I thought it would be interesting for me to pay them a visit, so I got in touch, and very kindly they let me go down and use the facility. It ended up being around about a two to two-and-a-half-hour procedure. We were supposed to sit down and podcast while I was out there, but then the guy who played Superman in the (laughs) 2005 movie came in, so he, uh, he took precedence. But this facility deals with NBA stars, NFL players, doctors, Hollywood movie stars. They literally have got one of the hottest spots in all of LA. I'm very, very fortunate to have been able to go and see them. I wanted to get Gary, who is the co-founder, on the podcast to just try and (laughs) explain where this very popular, very alternative thinking, um, success has come from, and I think he manages to do it today. So I'm not gonna take it any further. I'm going to let Gary speak for himself. One final thing, if you are in LA and you do want to check out the Human Garage, they haven't sponsored this episode at all, however, the waiting list is incredibly long if you want to see them. But if you mention Modern Wisdom when you book for your consultation application, they will bump you to the top of the list. I'm going to be really interested to hear some feedback about this one, so don't forget, get at me @chriswillex on Instagram, Twitter, wherever it is that you wanna get in touch or modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com. But for now, onto the show. (instrumental music plays) Gary, welcome to Modern Wisdom.
- GLGarry Lineham
Hi, Chris, how you doing?
- CWChris Williamson
Very good, thank you, and yourself?
- GLGarry Lineham
I'm doing fantastic. Sitting here in southern, uh, California, nice and sunny. We've been having a little bit of a heat wave out here.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, it's, uh, not too bad in the UK for once either actually. I'm, uh, I'm gonna guess, based on my experience when I was out with you guys-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... the weather is not going to be, uh, not going to be quite the same, but we'll take, we'll take what we can get in England at the moment.
- GLGarry Lineham
(laughs) For sure. It's, uh, really good having you out here. It was, uh, really interesting. I just wish we had more time with you.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, me too, me too. It's, um, LA is one of those places, it's, uh, kind of like a hotspot for wellness and, you know, it pushes the forefront and the boundaries to a degree of, of treatments and of, um, you know, I mean, weed is legal out there at the moment, cannabis is legal, and you know, i- i- it seems like it's, um, seems like it's very progressive on all fronts. Would you say that's about right?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, I think, I think it's really, uh, progressive in all fronts. I mean, I'm from Canada originally, and, uh, in Vancouver we're a bit more liberal in, in all aspects of things. But, uh, down here you've just got a collection of, uh, both athletes, um, professional or otherwise, Olympic athletes, so you have a little bit more of the treatment talent and the thought processes and the modalities that are out here. So you just get a bit more of everything, that's all.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, I get that. So you are the co-founder of the Human Garage?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yes, my, uh, my wife is my co-founder. She is, uh, the boss. She signs all the checks.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- GLGarry Lineham
I've learned, I've learned, uh, through submission, to be very nice to her.
- CWChris Williamson
Fantastic. Well, you don't want, you don't want your paycheck cut. That's exactly what happens with my business partner sometimes. If I've pissed him off for... If I've pissed him off for a little while, I'll, I'll find out that he's got a bunch of my paychecks sat in the safe.
- GLGarry Lineham
(laughs) For sure, for sure.
- CWChris Williamson
So-
- GLGarry Lineham
But we, we have a, we have a whole, uh, variety of people, as you know, that come out here. So we have people from all over the world, including... UK is our third-largest draw market. So we have, uh, uh, quite a bit of people come from the UK out to Venice Beach to see us.
- CWChris Williamson
So take everyone through at home who hasn't heard of the Human Garage, take us through the story what, where you started, what your ethos is, where you are now and, and, and what you do.
- GLGarry Lineham
Okay, fair enough. I mean, it's, uh, it's a little bit of a journey, but, um, but one of the best ways for people to get the, the whole story is to, is to listen to some of the backgrounds. I mean, there's a number of different, uh, different reports and media outlets that we've reported to. It, it started from a, in the short form, in the time that we have, it started with me being a professional bodybuilder back in the '80s, and, um, I fell under a 600 pound squat. And from that point forward, the rest of my adult life I've been in one form of therapy or another trying to resolve that. And, um, and I was using exercise, uh, stretching and, and, and chiropractic physical therapy, Egoscue, Rolfing, Feldenkrais method, anything and everything, um, to keep my body, uh, out of pain. And it just... And I was always in like a... From, from my early 20s through to my, uh, mid-30s, I was in a, a two to four pain every day, but towards the end of the- my 30s, that started being more like a six to nine pain every day. So after being through every form of therapy literally known to mankind, not only here but all through Europe, all through Asia, I...... um, and I was just determined to find a way to solve my issue, and I, and I realized that, that if, uh, if I didn't understand enough to tell people, to communicate my issue, every time I went to another mod- modality, they had another way of looking at it. So, I had to find a unified way of communicating what my problems were. (clears throat) So I looked for, um, for foundations in chiropractic as a, and as physical therapy to try to help explain my problem. So when ... I don't know if you've ever experienced this, uh, Chris, but if you go from doctor to doctor with a chronic issue of any kind, having to explain yourself and go through their process each and every time, it gets pretty tedious. And after hundreds and hundreds of these, you just start learning the language. So, as we learned the language of chiropractic and physil- physical therapy, we went to the next step and I, I was just trying to really solve my issue. So I, I sought out the top 10 people in probably every, every industry you can imagine and went to them, wherever they were in the world. Um, and towards the end, as I s- got into my 30s, my, (clears throat) my back would be going out once or twice a year, but it got to a point where it was g- it was starting to go out every month or two. And, uh, at the end of it, it was like 10 times I w- my back went out, and I would be out for about two weeks at a time, and it ... So I was in, in bed 22 weeks, uh, towards the end of my journey, and (clears throat) that's where the foundation, uh, that's where I said, "Something has to change." Because you may or may not experience this or have any ref- relationship to this, but at some point, I didn't want to kill myself, but I really didn't want to be alive anymore. It was just a excruciating pain, and, uh-
- CWChris Williamson
I can imagine it's, I can i- imagine it's very, very uncomfortable.
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, yeah. And then neurologically, it gets stressful too, because the pain itself starts become the pain.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, yeah, it'll start to re-pattern. That's correct, isn't it? Especially with back pain, I'm right in thinking that as you get back pain, you'll be- you become more susceptible to further back pain.
- GLGarry Lineham
Correct, yeah, yeah. And it's just because your, your whole body's trying to organize and keep itself, uh, aligned and working in, in gravity, and that's really what the, the challenge was, is that we were looking at the body the wrong way, or in my opinion, the- most of the industry has looked at the body the wrong way, and that's part of the reason why we have so many people that are in rough shape.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay, so that's the, the setup, I suppose. Who was it that you went to go and see? You said that you went to go and see a number of experts around the world. Can you remember who they were?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, I, I just don't feel it appropriate to call out the people, but nothing worked, (laughs) so ...
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, dear.
- GLGarry Lineham
If I, if I had a ma- smashing success with somebody, I'd maybe want to call it out, but this ... Just basically, and it wasn't the practitioners, it's just the way that we there- we were approaching the body. Each modality learns how to help the body, uh, with its background and its own view of the body, and, uh, if you don't fit in any one of those boxes, and, you know, there's a number of people out there that are going around from practitioner to practitioner and from modality to modality, and it's just ... And they, they trade off a little bit of, of success or a little bit of pain reduction, but, but then they have to go somewhere else, and that's typically what happens. People just get pushed around from therapy to therapy until, until one time that they're just no longer to do it, able to do it anymore, and that's, that's, that's generally what happens to people today.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, yeah. I can understand that. So, where do you go from there? You've spent enough time with the doctors that you feel like you could do their job for them and (laughs) what-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah.
- 15:00 – 30:00
Yeah. That's to- that's,…
- GLGarry Lineham
a PhD in medical science and had five doctors and dozens of therapists defending his science. So yes, there's a lot of education, but the formalized education, and most people can relate to this, you go to school, you learn a bunch of stuff, then you go off and you go into your practice or into your career, and you use almost nothing that you learn in school. And I don't, it's no, really no different in healthcare. Um, uh, a lot of the education comes from being out there working with people and seeing live results. And-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. That's to- that's, that's totally correct. I guess the letters-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... the letters in front or behind your name are just, they're really just a fail-safe for someone who doesn't know you that says, "I have the minimum required education that someone should do to be able to practice what you think that you want from me."
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, I'm the, I'm, I'm the least trained or educated person here.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- GLGarry Lineham
(laughs) I'm s- I'm serious. I mean, I have, I have actually technically outside of nutrition training and supplement training, uh, you know, I've taken courses on biomechanics and fascia and stuff like that, but those are more, more interest courses that you would take as a practitioner. But for the most part, yeah, I've, my training came from the street. But that, what, what that allowed me to do is ask a lot of dumb questions, Chris, and you know, when you ask dumb questions, you get smart answers. And, you know, like for example, um, let's just, uh, let's just jump off the deep end. Where do we start off with? I, I looked at it and said, "Okay, I have a problem," and my background, just so you know, is, uh, when I got out of school in the '80s, uh, you could go out and be a doctor for $150,000 a year, you could go and be a lawyer for about $200,000 a year, or you could go into the wireless industry and technology and make three-quarters of a million dollars a year. So I did what any young man would do, (laughs) went into wireless.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. (laughs)
- GLGarry Lineham
Went into technology.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- GLGarry Lineham
And I went, I went where the money was, and, uh, and I, but as I started getting more and more, uh, problems with sick or more and more dysfunctional, I started organizing more of my life around my dysfunction. So in other words, if I'm going to a telecom conference in Miami (clears throat) and I had a choice between Miami and California, I'd take the one that had a health conference somewhere around that time, and I started double dipping in my, in my travel 'cause I was really trying to figure out, you know, what the ishu- well, you know, what the issue was.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- GLGarry Lineham
The, the nice thing about asking stupid questions is I got to, as I said, let's d- dive off the deep end. I got to ask the biggest one, which is, is the brain in charge of the body? And, you know, fundamentally, uh, scientifically that's not true. It- it's a command center, but it's not the command center. And if it was a command center, Chris, then why is it then when a baby's being developed that the heart beats before the brain is developed?
- CWChris Williamson
That's interesting. So what do you mean about the brain not being in control?
- GLGarry Lineham
Well, it's not in charge.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- GLGarry Lineham
It's a control center. Yeah. So it's not... If, if you think of your body, like, we've, we've contextilized, contextualized this experience of being human, and we, we, uh, try to make analogies so we feel grounded in those analogies. Like, we say our brain is like a computer. Well, let me give you another reference point. How about your body is like a computer and your brain is like a CPU? It runs programs. The brain is always analyzing the internal and external environments imposed upon us and adapting us to the environments. And, you know, the latest research on the vagal nerve shows that 90% of the information goes up the vagal nerve to the brain. Again, that's another indicator that maybe the brain isn't in charge.And so if, so the world of science and medicine starts to split right there. Either I, either the brain is in charge of the body or the brain is just another organ that's part of the body's operation. And if you say the brain's in charge of the body, then the body's a meat suit. And then that's, that's where traditional medicine and thought processes go down. But there's this whole new world of people that are saying, "Hey, there's way more to this than we think." Like for example, your fascia, which we were working on when, when you were here, Chris.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- GLGarry Lineham
There's 100 trillion cells. Your brain is 100 billion cells. That's 1,000 times, that's 1,000 stomachs in your head. Or s- or sorry, in your fascia. Your, your brain is, or your fascia is te- 1,000 times more organically dense than, than it's supposedly the command center in the body. And if you think about the fascia from the inside of your skull to the inside of your feet, right on your toes, it's a complete sheet of material, connective material, and I'll give you a way to reference it. Think about that material, it's all one big sheet, and in there, there's pockets, and then in al- in those pockets lie muscles, tendons and bones and organs. So basically if you think about it that way, that's more of a true representation of the body, and the body has all these input systems or these intelligent systems that have to work together and they're interdependent, and each one is dependent upon the other one. Like even the brain is dependent upon your senses to give you information. So one of the things that we get here with a lot of people is they'll have a neurological, like a vestibular, an inner ear balance issue, and their brain perceives, uh, that they're falling over. Well, if you have a vestibular issue and you're trying to do body work or chiropractic work or alignment work or train yourself or get your glute to fire, it's not going to fire, um, because neurologically the brain has the wrong information and the body acts accordingly. So the idea is, is that we can't separate, um, mechanics from neurology from organ function. These are all have to be looked at together, and the problem with our current system of evaluation and treatment is they're all broken apart.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. I understand. I understand. I'd, I've... Myo, uh, self myofascial release to one degree or another is like a mainstay of almost all strength sports, right? Almost all sports in, in general, uh, pretty much every, from casual to professional sports person is going to have a, a foam roller or a lacrosse ball or whatever in their, in their kit bag, right? So-
- GLGarry Lineham
Sure.
- CWChris Williamson
... to one degree people are aware that the fascia is important, but it sounds like you're putting a lot more emphasis on it than previous-
- GLGarry Lineham
Correct.
- CWChris Williamson
... previously had been. Is that right?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a lot of stuff. I mean, we don't have the time on this podcast to dig into it, and if people want to listen, there's, there's a lot more where, where I've, I've gone into this into deeper fashions. But basically, you think about it this way. Um, the, the fascia is, uh, completely wraps a body. It's super intelligent. It tra, information travels beyond the speed of light, faster than you can feel it. Like if you were to, if you were to sit there right now and you clench your right jaw, you'll feel it in your right foot the second you clench your right jaw. The th- the problem is, is that a nerve signal takes about a second and a half to make that same distance to transit. And so if you really look at it, is the way that we're getting information that our brain and our body operates on, is it really what we're told? And the answer scientifically is coming up, no and no and no.
- CWChris Williamson
So you think-
- GLGarry Lineham
Everywhere.
- CWChris Williamson
... you, you think that it's something to do with the fascia that's communicating, is that right? Like the fascia's communicating signals?
- GLGarry Lineham
It, it does. There's no question about it. Um, it takes a second and a half for a nerve signal to go from the foot to the brain back to the foot again. So when you walk off a curb and you hit a sharp rock, how can you move so fast? You know, in medicine we say it's, in science we say, "Oh, it's a reflex." Like the ganglion reflex. But, but that's an in, that's an unintelligent movement. If I hit my knee, a doctor hits my knee with a hammer, my knee is going to jolt, right?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- 30:00 – 45:00
So eight, 80% of…
- GLGarry Lineham
and where we are, hemispheres, northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere, there's a slight difference. At the equator, there's a difference, because gravity is imposing a different force on us in those behavior, or in those, in those areas. So when we're in the northern hemisphere and we're being pulled down, uh, typically, you're going to have a little bit of a pull from your left shoulder to your right hip. So you're pulling and rotating into your right a little bit. And that's why most people, that's why the most common injuries, 80% of the people, they tend to have injuries in the same generalized areas, and that's because we have the same basic forces applied upon us. Um-
- CWChris Williamson
So eight, 80% of people in the northern hemisphere have got an injury which is left shoulder or right hip, is that correct?
- GLGarry Lineham
... though they got a tension pattern in the left shoulder and right hip.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- GLGarry Lineham
Usually, yeah, so we have a, a little joke here, uh, at the garage, we say that murderers are silent, but victims scream. And what I mean by that is, is that the tight muscle's the murderer. You don't feel it, it's silent. But what you feel is all the muscles reacting to it, all the screaming from all the muscles that are trying to resolve that one issue b- the one muscle being tight.
- CWChris Williamson
That's the referred pain, so to speak, right?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah. The referred pain or a reaction to it. So, so typically people are tighter on one side. Most people can tell you, "I'm tighter on my right side or my left side." And most people are tighter on one side of their body, and the injuries typically happen on the other side, because the body's compensating around it. But what I am saying is, is that 80% of people have the same basic tension pattern, because we do things basically the same way. Uh, we, we tend to throw the ball most of the time with our right hand, right with our right hand. Now, there's lefties too, and there's people that are back and forth, goofy or am- ambidextrous, but just generally, the majority of the world has, has the s- the same type of issues. So, if the same forces are implied upon the body, then that comes into things like socialization. Do I play a sport? Do I walk? Do I sit down? And all those things just start to change, and but after a while, you start to know th- pat- notice patterns. In the physical medicine industry, most practitioners you'd see, uh, about, they have about 25 or 35 appointments a week. 35 is on the top side usually.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- GLGarry Lineham
And you're going to see people usually once or twice a week. Twice a week is kind of the norm when you're in a repair status. And so, you're talking about somebody having somewhere between 12 and 18 clients a week they see, and they're going to double it up over the course of the month, and they're going to see them a couple of times in a month. So, they're most likely seeing about 50 to 60 people a month. In the Human Garage, and you know our format's open, we're, you know, we're into the two and a half to 3,000 appointments a month. So, we have such a broader aspect to see things, and since it's an open format, um, I'm not only a witness as what's happening on my table when I'm working on you, Chris-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- GLGarry Lineham
... or when we're working in the corner, I can see all the other people working and what's going on. So, my, my, uh, scope of what, what is normal or what patterns are starts to, uh, starts to really enlarge. And-
- CWChris Williamson
I guess your, your, your sample that you're taking data from, in whatever form you want to say that-
- GLGarry Lineham
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... is wider by (laughs) , by a pretty big factor. If you guys-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah. I think it is.
- CWChris Williamson
... if you guys are moving through between 2,000 to 3,000 clients a month, and as you said at the beginning, and this is something that I did want to emphasize for people that are listening at home, the range of, um, the range of clients that I saw while I was in there, I think you had a pregnant woman followed by me-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... then followed by the guy who played Superman-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
... in the 2005 movie? Is that right?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah. Brandon Rouse. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Brandon, Brandon Rouse, is it?
- GLGarry Lineham
Rouse. Yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. So-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, and-
- CWChris Williamson
And y- and you've got NFL players-
- GLGarry Lineham
And you have, you have, you have pro athletes-
- CWChris Williamson
... and you've got basketball players and ...
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah. Yeah. All sitting there-
- CWChris Williamson
So-
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
The un- the untorting.…
- GLGarry Lineham
it was nine to 12 months to have somebody functional and, you know, realistically, you know, 12 to 18 months to h- to be comfortable with, "I can walk away." Today, that, that's, uh, 85, 80% reduced because it's just the, the tenets of what we do. I wish we had more time to talk about how torque affects the body, but that is the magic of what we do.
- CWChris Williamson
The un- the untorting. Well, I mean, that was, you know, that was the buzzword. If I was to take a word away from the, uh, the session that we'd had, it, it would've been untorting. And, you know, the, the spiral down, there's a, a cool YouTube video that I will make sure that Dean overlays in YouTube and I will put in the show notes below, where a guy pops a flower in a funnel and he's next to the equator. Have you seen this?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yes, yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- GLGarry Lineham
That's pretty neat.
- CWChris Williamson
So he pops it in on one side and it spins one way, and he pops it in on the other side and it spins the other way, and then he walks to this line on the floor and puts it on it and pops the water in and it falls straight down. Our bodies-
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... are, uh, I'm not sure what percentage water, but I know that it's a lot.
- GLGarry Lineham
75.
- CWChris Williamson
75% water. There we go. Thank you. That's why I've got you here, Gary. You're just an assistant to, uh-
- GLGarry Lineham
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... to deliver me facts about water. Um, and, you know, it ... Does it sound ridiculous that our bodies would be subject to that as well? Well, I mean, we're not constantly draining, but-
- GLGarry Lineham
You know, think, think about it this way. I say this all the time to people. We're 75% wa- water, so we're basically, we're an aquarium with legs.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- GLGarry Lineham
And if you, and you start, you know, I, I like to take these wild extreme comparisons to sh- to either show how right or how wrong things those are. So basically, every law that governs water on the planet Earth governs the en- entire inside of your body. And the fact that we think that physics and engineering and, and natural laws of nature, that, that, that we should be different, is the problem. I mean, we just, as human beings, we're on top of the food chain, we're the best in the universe, we've, you know, grew up thinking we're alone and no one else in this whole 14, uh, .5 billion year universe that goes on hundreds of billions of light years, uh, no one else could be alive. I mean, it's just, think about how ignorant we are when we say stuff like that.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, and, uh, to segue on that, I recently did a podcast with, uh, Adam Frank who wrote a book and recently did, uh, published a paper on exactly that, what the likelihood is of us being alone in the universe, and-
- GLGarry Lineham
Actually, if you just wanna go to, just go to NASA's website and you'll see it all leaking out. Uh, with UCLA, they just did a report and they said, "No, actually, even in our own solar system, there are thousands of planets in our solar system that have to have life." I mean, they're really reversing the thought process. It's just, it's just, when you've stuck to a, a parting line for, you know, for like 100 years and then you find new evidence, you don't want to ta- tackle it so quick because-
- CWChris Williamson
In our, d- do you mean in our galaxy or in our solar system?
- GLGarry Lineham
No, in, or sorry, in, in our solar system, in our galaxy. They're just saying life is everywhere. And this is all new stuff NASA's been re- releasing over the last 24 months, and it's not big press releases. You just look because they're, they're required to release. So they actually, they, they, uh, the UCLA/NASA report just said that the entire universe is teeming with life.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. Well, I mean-
- GLGarry Lineham
And, and that's a big diversion from where we're-
- CWChris Williamson
... Adam Frank will be, Adam Frank will be, uh, will be very happy to hear that. So I wanna, I wanna cover two more topics before we, uh, before we-
- GLGarry Lineham
Sure.
- CWChris Williamson
... finish up. So, first off, I want to talk about how you think that, um, strength and conditioning complements what you're doing or how they fit into what it is that you guys are doing. We've discussed the fact-
- GLGarry Lineham
Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
... that the body, the body repatterns movements and moves itself around pain. To me, it would feel, if someone's had pain for an awful long time and has reprogrammed bad movement patterns, it seems difficult to believe that they would be able to be repatterned in the space of one hour. Does that make sense?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah, fair enough. Uh, so the- so there's- there's, uh, there's structural, uh, so the balances, the energy that my body uses to stand against gravity, and then there's movement. Movement is where those patterns come in, and if you don't re- rehabilitate motion or movement afterwards, then the- w- we are basically, our bodies are a collection of everything that we have done to date, whether it's movement, whether it's food, whether it's drugs, whether it's, uh, psychological/emotional health issues. Our body is a scoreboard for everything. And, um, and if you could think, maybe we could, uh, do one thing for the listeners.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- GLGarry Lineham
If you could take and put your hands on your knees so your thumbs are on the inside, um, so thumbs are on the inside and your knees-
- CWChris Williamson
I'm doing, I'm doing it now. I'm doing it now. Yeah.
- 1:00:00 – 1:04:43
Wow. Well, I mean,…
- GLGarry Lineham
gonna be a problem. (laughs) Um, as a matter of fact, that's part of the reason why we took down our website years ago is just that, uh, you have to, you have to have some sort of control of the flow. And now we want to open it up and, uh, and give, give people like, literally, if you're a chiropractor out there and you want to do this work, you'll be able to do portions of this work by having two torque mechanics work with you. And what our chiropractors, uh, will tell you is that they have a 75%, uh, reduction of force in the adjustment, and the adjustment lasts three to five times longer when you take the torque out of the body.
- CWChris Williamson
Wow. Well, I mean, you know, it, (laughs) I think over the coming, the coming weeks and coming months, I'll definitely be posting a lot more of your stuff. Uh, I think there'll be a lot of people that will be interested in it. Can you tell the-
- GLGarry Lineham
For sure.
- CWChris Williamson
... can you tell the listeners at home, there will be some people that I know that are listening in LA and not too far from you, can they, can you tell them where they can find you first online and then where the practice is?
- GLGarry Lineham
Sure, yeah. We're in, uh, Marina Del Rey on, uh Beach Avenue,right down in the heart of Venice and Marina Del Rey. Um, you can get us at, uh, humangarage.net. And if they are coming off your podcast, if they put your name in the referral bar, th- they're not gonna get in right away, but they're gonna jump to the head of the line. We take care of our, our clients, their referrals, our media partners first and their referrals. And then, then we go off to everybody else after that. So, they put your name into our wait list, uh, what we'll do is we'll move them to the, to the front of the wait li- uh, the wait list.
- CWChris Williamson
That's fantastic. Thank you. I really appreciate that, Gary. So, eh, if you're listening at home, modern wisdom, when you do your referral, or quote Chris Williamson yourself. I wanted to say as well, Gary, I've actually got the, uh, guys behind essential oil coming on soon.
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Essential Oil Wizardry. Um-
- GLGarry Lineham
Oh, you got ... Ugh, Dr. Nick, man, he is my favorite. Do- Dr. Nick is a special human being.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) He's ...
- GLGarry Lineham
And, uh, there are no, there are no oils anywhere in the world like his. We have searched the, the entire world, and that's why we've partnered with Essential Oil Wizardry.
- CWChris Williamson
I know, so I, uh, I, I heard him on Ben Greenfield, and I, I really wanted to get a hold of him after I'd, uh, after I'd listened to him. It's another, you know, t- from a similar kind of school as yourselves, it's, it's the sort of thing which does sound contrary and it sounds different, but, you know, bottom line results, results are, are interesting, and I think it's worthy of further investigation.
- GLGarry Lineham
Well, the, uh, the, um, British Medical Journal, uh, was the first one, I think, to report on two things. Um, we should, you know, 'cause we, we, we listen to allopathic, but British Medicine Journal reported on, um, MRSA, seven, seven clients who used manuka honey, and, uh, terminal, terminal clients for MRSA, um, and used manuka honey to clear it. And the other part too is, uh, is the, other than the American Medical Journal, they have lots of references to essential oils' frequency, um, that there's not a bacteria in the world that is resistant to essential oils. Um, so that's one you can st- you know, you can put in your back pocket and use.
- CWChris Williamson
Tho- tho- those are some unbelievable sort of stats there. That's the British Medical Journal talking about manuka honey and, uh, bacteria resistance to aromatherapy oils, right?
- GLGarry Lineham
Yeah. It's, it's, it's pretty incredible. They had seven patients there who had lesions, they were gonna die from MRSA, and they, at this point, they got nothing left, they tried whatever, so they, uh, used manuka honey. All seven of them lived. And, uh, there's a whole bunch of things like that coming. Just watch over the next couple years. Uh, what we think is, what we've been told and what we think about how the body works, just not that way, and I just encourage people to have an open mind and just investigate a little bit more. And keep asking the question, "Why?"
- CWChris Williamson
I was gonna say, do you, do you feel like this is the beginning of the crest of a wave towards a new direction for, um, wellness and for, uh, the way that the medical world looks at-
- GLGarry Lineham
Absolutely.
- CWChris Williamson
... looks at fixing people?
- GLGarry Lineham
Absolutely. We are on the, we are on the forefront. We're, we are, we are breaking, uh, new science, new frontiers every single day here. And if we're doing it here, there's other people doing it all over the world. We just don't know about them yet. Maybe we're in a better spot, we get a bit more media here. But whoever you are out there, if you're actually changing the world and, and doing things that are gonna actually benefit the world, just keep doing it and don't listen to people.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, hopefully we'll have, uh, contacted some of them and they'll have a kindred spirit with yourself-
- GLGarry Lineham
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... on the other side-
- GLGarry Lineham
For sure. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... on the other side of the internet. So Gary, I really appreciate your time. I, I loved my time when I came out to come and see you. I'm hopefully gonna be back in LA not very soon, and I can't wait to come back and see you again. Um-
- GLGarry Lineham
For sure. Absolutely, Chris.
- CWChris Williamson
It's, it's been a blast. Thank you, man.
- GLGarry Lineham
Thank you. Take care.
- CWChris Williamson
Bye-bye.
- GLGarry Lineham
Bye-bye.
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