Christmas Special - Life Hacks, Biggest Lessons & Best Resolutions

Chris Williamson 0:00 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. It is a Christmas special. For those of you who have only joined the show over the last year, or the last few years, might not recognize this room, and it is my old living room in Newcastle upon Tyne where we first started the show. Joined by Jonny and Yussef from Propain Fitness, uh, and George Mac, uh, stopping off en route from Glasgow to Manchester, of course. Uh, this is a life hacks, lessons from 2024, and best New Year's resolutions episode. So if you haven't seen these, we'll go round in a circle coming up with whatever we've discovered over the last year, and then the rest of us will rip it apart or say that it's good, and maybe there'll be some ideas for you for what you can implement going into the new year. Also, if you haven't done a new year's review, uh, the exact template that I use and have crafted very delicately over the last decade or so is available right now for free at chriswillex.com/review. That's tradition. Something else which is tradition is you getting hot potato and going first, so-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 0:59 Hot potato.

Chris Williamson 1:00 A festive potato for you-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:02 Festive potato.

Chris Williamson 1:03 ... Jonathan Watson. What have you got for us?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04 Is it life hacks first?

Chris Williamson 1:05 It is.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07 So my life hack is a Ninja Creami.

Chris Williamson 1:13 So happy you said that.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:14 Oh, really?

Chris Williamson 1:15 I've got one.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:15 I thought you, have you?

Chris Williamson 1:16 I've got one.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:17 Yussef's been thinking about getting one. I think hasn't got one yet.

Yusef 1:20 Okay, what's a Ninja Creami?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:22 Do you know what one is?

Yusef 1:23 No.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:24 It's-

Yusef 1:24 Educate, educate me.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:25 It's, um, it basic- what, what I use it for is making ice cream from a protein shake. It's brilliant. So like, s- skimmed milk, what, what do you, what do you use it for? The same thing or-

Chris Williamson 1:39 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:40 Berries? I imagine you have berries in yours.

Chris Williamson 1:42 Uh, actually no. Uh, mine has been low sugar, high protein ice cream made with the exact protein powder that I want.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:52 Right.

Chris Williamson 1:53 So pretty much the same thing that you're doing.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:54 Yeah. Do you put topping in it?

Chris Williamson 1:57 Uh, so I've encountered a problem with that, which is when you, you have to make up the mixture and then put it in the freezer for it to freeze. The issue is, the viscosity of the liquid when you put it in the freezer versus the viscosity of the liquid when it becomes ice cream is different. So if you put chocolate chips in, they all just sink to the bottom and create a layer. What's your solution?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:16 Well, you put them on after you've... So you, you, you creamy it.

Chris Williamson 2:19 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:20 And then you-

Chris Williamson 2:21 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:22 You what, sorry? I'm just writing instructions. You do what?

Chris Williamson 2:24 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:25 (laughs)

Yusef 2:25 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:25 I don't see a pen, George. Doesn't look like you're making notes. It looks like you're trying to make fun of me, George.

Chris Williamson 2:29 (laughs)

Yusef 2:30 Go on.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:30 You, um, you-

Yusef 2:31 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:31 You cr- you creamy it.

Yusef 2:32 You creamy it?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:33 Creamy it. And then once it's creamy, there's a mix in button.

Chris Williamson 2:36 Oh. Well that'll-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:38 Have you not encountered that?

Chris Williamson 2:40 If I-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:40 Or have you seen it and you're like, "That's not for me."

Chris Williamson 2:40 If I'm being com- if I'm being completely honest, it's not me that uses it.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:43 (laughs) Oh, God. What a bougie problem.

Yusef 2:46 So this is to distribute the chocolate chips throughout the height of the ice cream rather than all at the bottom like a screwball, or all at the top like a...

Chris Williamson 2:56 Like a topping. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:57 Yeah. But it is a topping.

Chris Williamson 2:58 Okay. Yeah, so-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 2:59 So you make it first.

Chris Williamson 3:00 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:01 And then you, once it's turned into ice cream-

Chris Williamson 3:03 You add the shit that you wanna make.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:04 ... a little bit of topping and then press mix in. Or, I think it's called mix in, or mix again.

Chris Williamson 3:08 Okay. Uh, what is the best recipes that you've come up with?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:13 I think white chocolate and raspberry whey.

Chris Williamson 3:16 From?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:17 Uh, Perform. It's like P... (laughs)

Chris Williamson 3:23 (laughs) I'm just trying to focus. Carry on.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:25 It's like P and then the number four-R-M or something like that.

Chris Williamson 3:29 Okay.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:29 Um-

Chris Williamson 3:30 How many scoops?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:30 Two. Always two.

Chris Williamson 3:32 With?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:32 Skimmed milk.

Chris Williamson 3:33 How much?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:34 350 ml. 400 ml is what you wanna use, 'cause that takes you up to the limit, the limit line. It's just not quite, the, the ratio's not quite right.

Chris Williamson 3:41 Mm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:42 Sometimes a banana improves the texture.

Chris Williamson 3:46 Interesting.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:47 I also think-

Chris Williamson 3:47 Have you been able to get the sort of gelatinous stickiness that you want? That's something that I've struggled with.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:52 Do you like it to be more sticky or less sticky?

Chris Williamson 3:53 Little sticky. Little, more sticky.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 3:55 I think that's about how long it's frozen for.

Yusef 3:58 Xanthan gum. I've heard.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:00 Yeah. I don't wanna get involved with that stuff.

Yusef 4:01 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:01 I feel like that's a, a whole other variable to manage.

Yusef 4:04 Yeah. It's-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:05 'Cause how much xanthan gum?

Chris Williamson 4:07 Well, you'd just experiment, wouldn't you?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:08 But think how long it's gonna take to get that right.

Chris Williamson 4:10 That's true. Because you've got something that works sort of 80% now.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:13 Yeah, exactly.

Chris Williamson 4:14 Okay, so white chocolate, Perform.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:16 White chocolate and raspberry whey.

Chris Williamson 4:17 Yep.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:18 With-

Chris Williamson 4:18 Sounds great.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:18 ... raspberries and white chocolate chips as the topping mixed in. So good. And it's like 40 grams of protein. Well, a little bit more if you include the milk. And like 400 calories. It's brilliant. Brilliant.

Chris Williamson 4:30 And you just eat one of those off in one go?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:32 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 4:32 Wow.

Yusef 4:32 Dessert, lunch.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:33 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 4:33 Can tell you're not running anymore.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:34 Usually. (laughs) Usually like last meal of the day.

Chris Williamson 4:38 That's pretty dialed.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:39 So good.

Chris Williamson 4:39 That's very good. I'm a big Ninja- I mean, Ninja are just, between the air fryers, all of the different-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:44 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 4:44 ... air fryers they've got. They've got this air fryer crispy thing now, which is a glass tray at the bottom so you can see how it sort of crisps and you can make lasagnas, you know, where you have that sort of, the filtering on the top.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:57 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 4:58 Ah, so good.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 4:58 I've not got an air fryer. You have an air fryer, I imagine.

Chris Williamson 5:03 That seems like...

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:04 Yeah, I should get one, shouldn't I? Do you have one, George?

Yusef 5:07 Yes, but I, I never use them. You really value culinary appliances that allow you to eat low calorie foods and make them nice, so I think an air fryer would be high value.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:17 Do you know what I value more than that?

Chris Williamson 5:19 An air fryer is basically a speed slow cooker.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:19 Something that allows me to see whatever it produces as one serving. Ideally in a container. So what I, I think what I like about a Ninja Creami is-

Yusef 5:29 Yeah, you love discrete servings.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:29 ... I can't have more or less than it. I just eat the whole thing. And I don't have to worry about, like, "Oh, how many scoops of this should I have?"

Chris Williamson 5:34 Yeah, yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:34 Do you not eat the whole thing?

Chris Williamson 5:36 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:36 Okay.

Yusef 5:36 That's, that's Chris's way of life. Eat the whole thing.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:39 Yeah (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:39 Eat the whole thing.

Yusef 5:39 So it's a-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:40 I love a sorbet.

Yusef 5:40 ... a sorbet in a kilo of yogurt.

Chris Williamson 5:42 (laughs) Uh, I think an air fryer for you, and this isn't even one of mine, but I think an air fryer for you would be nothing short of life changing.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:49 What would I use it for?

Chris Williamson 5:50 Uh, do you ever eat steak at home?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:52 Yeah, but not like regularly though.

Chris Williamson 5:55 But would you-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 5:55 I'd have a Ninja Creami every day.

Chris Williamson 5:57 Okay, would you eat steak at home if you could have, from frozen, amazing steak in 20 minutes?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 6:02 Is that, is that your best suggestion? A steak?

Chris Williamson 6:04 It's fucking unbelievable for steak, yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 6:07 Okay.

Chris Williamson 6:07 ... uh-

George 6:08 Yeah, I'll get my A4.

Chris Williamson 6:08 ... this is a, this is a Peterson hack.

George 6:10 I'll get my A4.

Chris Williamson 6:10 And as a woman who eats a lot of steak, she knows how to cook a steak.

George 6:13 Mm-hmm. If that's all you're eating.

Chris Williamson 6:14 Yeah, which I am. So, it's important. All right. I like that, Ninja Creami.

George 6:19 So, you're not having Creamis?

Chris Williamson 6:21 Uh, that's-

George 6:22 That's a past, that's a previous Chris thing.

Chris Williamson 6:23 Correct.

George 6:24 Got it.

Chris Williamson 6:25 Uh, Bert, what have you got?

Yusef 6:26 This is Ernie, actually.

Chris Williamson 6:27 Is it? Fuck, I misgendered him.

Yusef 6:29 Thank you, George (laughs) .

George 6:31 (laughs)

Yusef 6:31 So, I've, I've chosen this suit to introduce the most, kind of, serious point of the podcast, but I've been doing a lot of walking and journaling and reflecting, and I've actually been tuning an AI model using a few kind of different database structures to identify the optimal categorization method for Life Hacks, and-

Chris Williamson 6:54 You're doing it again.

Yusef 6:54 ... what I've come down to is physical and digital. So-

George 7:01 (laughs) You said this, the exact same thing.

Yusef 7:02 Actually, last year it was a team of operational analysts-

George 7:05 Oh, okay (laughs) .

Yusef 7:05 ... and, yeah, but I think we're getting closer to the-

Chris Williamson 7:07 They came up with the same conclusion.

Yusef 7:08 ... k- yeah, same, it was-

Chris Williamson 7:09 Wow.

George 7:09 What a, what a relief.

Yusef 7:10 I think we're onto something.

George 7:10 Wow, increased the compute and still hit the same wall (laughs) .

Yusef 7:15 (laughs) So, the physical Life Hack is to use things that annoy you, like mild irritations throughout the day, as gratitude triggers. So, you wake up in the morning, 7:00 AM, you hear a siren going past, you're like, "Oh, bloody hell, like I wish I'd wanted five minutes more sleep," and that's a gratitude trigger for, "That could have been me in the ambulance." Or like, you, you could be even the driver of the ambulance, still pretty rubbish having to drive an ambulance at 7:00 in the morning. Or you could be in the back of the ambulance. So it's like, oh, okay, there's a little switch. You encounter someone who's a bit of a dick to you at the checkout in a shop or whatever, and you go, "They're being a dick because they're miserable at their job, they're having a bad time. I can go home and eat my sushi and pot of mango or whatever, they, they have to be on shift until..." So, just having that little flip has been really valuable.

George 8:09 I've been trying to think of something that you couldn't do that with, but I'm struggling.

Yusef 8:14 I'm sure there's loads, yeah. But it's, I guess it's how flexible-

George 8:17 Or is it challenging?

Yusef 8:17 ... do you wanna be?

George 8:17 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 8:18 Well, are you trying to have empathy for the other person, or are you trying to sort of do inversion on yourself? What are you prioritizing?

Yusef 8:29 B- both are good effects of that, aren't they?

Chris Williamson 8:30 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 8:31 I think it's, it's like a nice side effect to have.

George 8:34 Just be, be more happy.

Yusef 8:35 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 8:36 It's pretty pro-social. I like

Chris Williamson 8:39 that. Okay, uh, this is one from George's, uh, birthday this year in Miami, uh, which Dickie Bush decided to do, and it's Uber Black XL. So, Uber Black XL, I don't know whether, I don't know how available it is in the UK, but especially in America and probably in the bigger cities in the UK, you can order, you know, a seven-person Escalade with a driver that's always dressed quite nice and formally. And it's basically you having a private driver, but you just order it on Uber, and it's about maybe two to three times the cost of a normal Uber. So it's, you know, special occasions only for the most part. But the way that you feel when you get into it and when you get out of it is lovely. And the experience is easily three times nicer than being in the back of someone's Kia Forte.

George 9:25 Mm.

Chris Williamson 9:26 Um, especially in America, this is a big America problem because it's less expensive, uh, it's less, more expensive in America, and the depths that your normal Uber X can descend to in America, as you learned firsthand this year, (clears throat) it's like the back of some N- Nissan Altima, the 30-year-old th- you're sticking to the seat, it can go really low. So, uh, if you've had a, a tough day and you wanna treat yourself, a journey home in a blue Uber Black XL is nice. If you're o- out on a date and you sort of wanna make something feel a little bit nicer, big fan.

Yusef 10:02 Why do you think the standard of cars in America is generally higher? Is it more of a status symbol?

Chris Williamson 10:08 No, no, it's lower. It's lower.

Yusef 10:09 Is it that the, is it bimodal? 'Cause I've, like, you're saying that the, Ub- some Ubers go really low.

Chris Williamson 10:15 Very low, correct, in America. The UK doesn't seem, I think Americans generally have lower standards for what they keep their cars to. If anybody's got a small dink in the UK, it's almost immediately taken to-

Yusef 10:26 Oh, I've got a small dink (laughs) , yeah.

George 10:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 10:27 (laughs)

George 10:28 You're always complaining about it as well.

Yusef 10:29 It's, I know, it's terrible.

Chris Williamson 10:31 But you take it to the, like, shop or whatever and you get it fixed, most people would. Uh, Indy-

Yusef 10:36 I, I need to get my dink fixed actually, yeah, I'll...

George 10:38 Come back with an XL-

Chris Williamson 10:39 (laughs)

George 10:39 ... make it bigger. Black XL.

Chris Williamson 10:42 Uh, I think, I think it's a, I mean, you, you've, you've been a, a big proponent of that as well, like using Uber Black XL.

George 10:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 10:50 Yeah, yeah (laughs) , yeah. I think, um, y-

Yusef 10:54 This is a highbrow podcast (laughs) .

George 10:55 In, in Dubai, for example, all the Ubers are essentially Lexuses, they're all beautiful. It's only when I, uh, was in the UK or the US experiencing Uber do you realize sometimes you could be going 70 miles an hour and it's more dangerous to be out the car than in the car (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 11:09 Right.

George 11:10 Yeah. Yeah, 'cause, uh, in Dubai, I feel like I was always like a Mercedes Vito person in a suit. So, but is that, that's just a Dubai thing?

Chris Williamson 11:18 Yeah.

George 11:19 Right.

Chris Williamson 11:19 Yeah.

George 11:20 I've had some shockers when e- in, one I had in Munich where he just went rogue. Went, was trying to go to the petrol station, was going like different stop-offs, was like, was texting. And then when I had, I said, "Hey, can you not text on your phone?" he just threw his phone against the window and then just started speeding faster and faster.

Chris Williamson 11:38 Wow.

George 11:39 And I thought-

Chris Williamson 11:39 You, you had a guy-

George 11:40 ... "Maybe should have paid the 20%"

Chris Williamson 11:41 I was gonna say, was it, was it, was it you where someone was trading? What was he-

George 11:44 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 11:44 ... trying to show you a video?

George 11:45 Yeah, so we were in one Uber, and we're on a huge highway, and I'm at the back, and I just go, "What's he doing on his phone?" 'Cause sometimes he may be doing a WhatsApp or anything like that. And I look, and he was, there was like trading charts on, and he was shorting the Japanese yen.

Chris Williamson 12:01 Nice.

George 12:02 Like mid-

Chris Williamson 12:02 While driving?

George 12:03 ... mid-drive. And I said, "What, uh, what are you doing?" Um, so yeah, you may face them shorting the Japanese yen. I had a Uber driver in Croatia who had like, uh, like mini seizures while driving.

Chris Williamson 12:15 Oh.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 12:15 ... and I couldn't work out whether it was, like, just something that happened to him all the time or whether it was serious, but he was, like, having a seizure and, like, pressing the accelerator as he was having the seizure.

Yusef 12:25 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 12:25 So we were like... We were coming up towards traffic and it- the car would, like, lunge-

Yusef 12:28 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 12:29 ... and then brake. But he just didn't acknowledge it. At all.

Yusef 12:33 You-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 12:33 He's the opposite of the- of the guy we had in Iceland. So, driving back, the final-

12:39 (laughs)

12:39 ... the final coach out of the Blue Lagoon in Iceland, because the alternative was to stay there for nine and a half thousand pounds for the night. And some hurricane level winds were coming in. And we m- managed to make it onto this bus and we're at the back of the bus and it's l- tilting up onto what feels like just its side wheels because of the strength of the breeze coming along. Johnny's solution, which was fucking genius actually at the time, was "I'm gonna go up to the front and look at the bus driver and if he's not concerned, we shouldn't be concerned." And he went... (wiggles finger)

Yusef 13:13 Hands at the bottom of the wheel.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 13:15 (laughs) . 'Cause for him it's just-

Yusef 13:16 Chin retracted.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 13:16 ... for him, it's just Wednesday afternoon.

13:18 Another day, another day at graffing then.

13:19 Yeah, another day at the office.

Yusef 13:19 It was the worst storm that Iceland had seen in several years as well.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 13:23 I think just that year.

13:25 (laughs) .

Yusef 13:25 The- that guy is a source of inspiration to-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 13:29 Yeah.

13:29 Yeah. He's Jocko if Jocko was a bus driver.

Yusef 13:31 ... some of you.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 13:31 All right, you're up. I'm coming in hard, so- Like Lily Phillips.

13:36 (laughs)

13:36 Jesus Christ. Um, the Kale algorithm. So this is a custom-built life hack which I'll- I can put in the comments section. But me and Chris have had these debates for years that whether the platforms will ever change so you have control over your own algorithm. And I've been convinced it's gonna happen, but I kind of sat there waiting for years for it to happen. And particularly my... I don't know where your weakness is, where your Achilles' heel is in terms of digital platforms. Mine is YouTube by far. Mm-hmm. And the most frustrating thing is YouTube is the Library of Alexandria. You have all the world's knowledge and if, like, Marcus Aurelius, Julius Caesar would trade everything to have access not only to the best library but then it turned into this magical video format where you can watch anything, learn- teach yourself anything. And everyday I would turn up to that library and I'd get distracted by fights and fentanyl in the car park, right? (laughs) That was my YouTube experience. "Oh, oh! Logan Paul's done what?" (laughs) "Coffeezilla's gonna expose him for what shitcoin?" Click, click. And I remember once (laughs) , um, I went on the... And this is a "if you wanna stare into the abyss and have the abyss stare back into you," go to youtube.com and press history and just scroll through some of the things that you've watched. And I went through quickly, like, the last maybe 100 videos I've watched and about 80% of them were regrettable in hindsight. So, I had the best library of all time and I was watching absolute shite. So, what was interesting though, I looked at the videos I did enjoy and the videos that I didn't enjoy in hindsight, and you could've built this whole complex algorithm but there was one simple thing that the videos I did enjoy and didn't enjoy had between them, and it was over 30 minutes long. Any video that seemed to be over 30 minutes long for the most part I enjoyed in hindsight, and any video under 30 minutes long I for the most part didn't enjoy. And I think there's something about the monkey brain that if you see a 15 minute expose on Logan Paul's new NFT debacle it's like, "Oh, I can do that." But if it's a two and a half hour one, it's a bit harder- A bit more discerning. ... it's a bit harder to justify.

Yusef 15:57 So is the conclusion to watch, like, a 45 minute fentanyl in the car park?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:01 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

16:01 That wastes more time.

16:02 So the conclusion-

Yusef 16:03 Dash cam compilations from Russia.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:04 I did- I tried that s-

Yusef 16:05 (laughs) .

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:05 ... but the problem is you go on youtube.com, thumbnail.

Yusef 16:09 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:10 Title. You just don't have the willpower. Um, like, ima- imagine if you had a social media feed, right? And they just showed you porn, like, constantly. You would end up watching a lot more porn as a result. So it's not necessarily about discipline (laughs) , it's about preventing that coming on in the first place. So what I built was, I built a script that removes any videos under 30 minutes and it's now the full Kale algorithm. And I've gone from about 80% of my YouTube time I regret to 80% of my YouTube time is now enjoyable.

16:40 What's that running on? What's the script running on?

16:41 So you wanna download-

Yusef 16:43 Sorry.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:43 ... a Chrome extension called Tap A Monkey-

Yusef 16:45 Oh.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:46 ... and then, uh, you (laughs) -

Yusef 16:47 Oh, I've seen this.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:48 Um, ♪ I've been there before. ♪

Yusef 16:50 I've... Okay. Sorry, go ahead. I've got a couple of things I wanna challenge you on about this, but-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 16:55 It's a bit bean. So you then... I built the code using Claude or ChatGPT and I can share the code with people. You put it in and it's permanently there now so I no longer see any video under 30 minutes long. And you go on my- my feed now and it's just, like, lecture, stand-up comedian, cool documentary. Uh-

17:11 Does that not mean though that you waste more time? Because the- the regret is about the video, but there's no regret about how long you spend watching the video.

17:21 No, because the- well there's a di- I'm sure if you looked at your YouTube time, right? There's a difference in quality of things that you watch.

17:28 Yeah, but usually I'm doing it instead of doing something else.

17:32 Hmm.

17:33 So it's- it's rare that I, like, find myself on my phone and then, uh, 30 minutes later I'm like, "Oh, I'm so glad I watched that."

17:38 But that might be because of this exact thing.

17:40 But that assumes that the thing that I was d- I wasn't doing because of YouTube wasn't more important.

17:44 That's fair. There's always some kind of opportunity cost trade-off.

17:46 Mm-hmm.

17:46 But for me... So this is particularly on desktop and I would use YouTube end of the day as an alternative to TV.

17:52 Oh, okay.

17:53 And that's where it- versus-

17:54 Right. Right, right.

17:54 Yeah, I agree that kind of two-minute quick scroll is- is different. That's the cocaine algorithm.

17:58 Yeah, yeah.

Yusef 17:59 There's a couple of ways you can get one step upstream of that. So there's a native thing on YouTube where you- uh, you disable the... It might be Watch History or s- one of these features where it means that when you log onto YouTube it's just a blank screen.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 18:13 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 18:13 You just have the search bar and nothing else.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 18:14 You've done that on the propane.

Yusef 18:15 I've done on the propane one and now I never procrastinate with YouTube. Like it just doesn't... 'Cause you have to then actively, like, "Oh, what am I gonna search for?" Rather than having stuff, like, pushed onto you that you might not want.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 18:23 So the problem with that though is there's still value, I find, in the algorithm. Certainly randomness and optionality.

Yusef 18:29 Okay. So you want- you want the upside of the-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 18:31 Yes.

Yusef 18:31 Right.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 18:31 I want the upside of the randomness and the optionality without...

Chris Williamson 18:34 ... Logan Paul in-

Yusef 18:35 In that case, you're trying to, like-

Chris Williamson 18:36 ... the car park.

Yusef 18:36 ... fine tune it. The other thing that you can do is, and I think we talked about this last year, using ReadWise or Reader to establish that past George is the only one who can determine what current George is going to watch. So, you're not allowed to consume any media unless it's on your to-read list or to-watch list-

Chris Williamson 18:55 Hmm.

Yusef 18:55 ... and you've made that decision ahead of time, so that you've made the decision when you're in a position of strength, not when you're like, "Oh, I'm knackered and it's 9:00 PM and I just wanna-"

Chris Williamson 19:03 So, just to find a potential problem with that, a lot of the time, you know how in three months I'm gonna have all of this white space on my calendar? I'll agree to that.

Yusef 19:10 100%.

Chris Williamson 19:11 It's like, "Oh, I- I really want to watch this thing. I'm sure that me tomorrow will want to watch it. I'm not convinced that me yesterday is the best-"

Yusef 19:17 Yeah, so you'll end up with, like-

Chris Williamson 19:17 "... adjudicator of actually what I want to watch today."

Yusef 19:19 So, the problem there is you end up with, like, a huge queue of stuff-

Chris Williamson 19:22 Right.

Yusef 19:22 ... and then you either say-

Chris Williamson 19:23 None of which you think is interesting, but because you now don't have to pay the price, you tomorrow has to consume it, you kick the can down the road.

Yusef 19:29 It's a bit like-

George 19:29 Or you watch the relevant thing in the fridge-

Yusef 19:30 ... you looking in the fridge and you're like, "I've got, we've got no food in the house at all." And actually, like, there's loads of food, but it's like lettuce and a bit of-

Chris Williamson 19:36 Not stuff you want.

Yusef 19:37 ... tomato and... Yeah.

George 19:38 Y- you basically want an algorithm that's working nearer towards what your goals are and your long-term intents are. And i- it's not just purely, like, boring educational shit. Like, if there's, like, long-form comedy on there, like long-form comedy podcasts, I enjoy those way more. But there's something about the- the shortness of it. And I think having that pre-built in to remove it... My sister, little life hack to this, um, is also on email, if anybody has, um... But just set up a filter that if it has "unsubscribe" in the email, it goes to a separate inbox, and then you scroll through that, and you've reduced about 80% of your email clutter. So just putting those systems in place-

Yusef 20:13 That's great. I'm doing that now (laughs) .

George 20:13 ... is, um, is useful (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 20:15 Gmail has that automatically, doesn't it? Hmm? Gmail has that automatically with the promotions.

George 20:19 It does, but I find loads of them-

Chris Williamson 20:21 Like, it works out directly to that.

George 20:21 ... loads of them still slip through.

Chris Williamson 20:23 True.

George 20:23 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 20:24 All right. Johnny,

Chris Williamson 20:25 you're up.

George 20:26 This is linked to what you were just saying, Chris, about, um, waking up at night.

Chris Williamson 20:30 Mm-hmm.

George 20:31 The... So there's two l- two hacks in one. One is, um, Audible on a... So, eye mask, one AirPod-

Chris Williamson 20:40 Mm-hmm.

George 20:40 ... a 30-minute timer on Audible, audiobook. That's life hack one. Life hack two is, Audible have, like, similar to a Netflix original, like an Audible Original. Some of them are in Dolby Atmos, so it's like a film being read out, which is the most immersive thing I've ever heard on a-

Chris Williamson 20:57 How immersive can it be with one AirPod in?

George 20:59 Well, 'cause the other one's, other one's pressed. It's bugged. Do you find that you turn... That you- you- you can just go full-

Chris Williamson 21:06 (laughs)

George 21:06 ... like monk mode and stay there? 'Cause I'm a... Even if you roll over, though.

Chris Williamson 21:10 (laughs)

George 21:12 (laughs) Even if you roll over, it's just one AirPod. It's fine. You're asleep. Doesn't matter. The third life hack-

Chris Williamson 21:16 Mm-hmm.

George 21:17 ... is Red Rising, the Red Rising series.

Chris Williamson 21:19 But the, uh-

George 21:20 Immersive audio version.

Chris Williamson 21:21 Yep. Phenomenal.

George 21:22 So good.

Chris Williamson 21:23 So fucking fantastic.

George 21:24 So that-

Chris Williamson 21:24 What's Red Rising?

George 21:25 That's a fall asleep. It's a series by Pierce Brown?

Chris Williamson 21:29 Pierce Brown.

George 21:30 Um, really good.

Chris Williamson 21:30 Sci-fi, sci-fi series. The most addictive set of novels, but they've redone it as a movie in your mind.

George 21:35 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:36 And, uh-

George 21:37 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:37 Yeah.

George 21:37 Helps you get to sleep.

Chris Williamson 21:38 Dolby Atmos, full audio cast. You know, they're not just saying what's going on back and forth to each other. They're fully acting it out, the sound effects.

George 21:46 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:46 Beautifully soundscaped. It's awesome.

George 21:48 It's brilliant.

Chris Williamson 21:48 I'm glad, I'm glad you like that.

George 21:49 So that to fall asleep. And if you wake up at night, like, stick an AirPod in. I'm just-

Chris Williamson 21:54 Throw it back on.

George 21:54 ... s- because you're just immediately... Especially with racing thoughts, you're just immediately in another world.

Chris Williamson 21:59 Mm-hmm. Manta eye masks make a Bluetooth eye mask-

George 22:03 Do they?

Chris Williamson 22:03 ... that is built for you to- for to sleep on.

George 22:07 I ha- I have a pair of headphones called, like, Philips something. They're, like, called SleepPods.

Chris Williamson 22:11 Snoozies or some shit.

George 22:12 They're just not very good.

Chris Williamson 22:13 Well, they're just not AirPods, are they?

George 22:14 Yeah. Just one AirPod in. Like, 'cause y- you can have, you can have your head against a pillow with the side with the AirPod in, still doesn't wake you up.

Chris Williamson 22:22 Hmm. Uh-

George 22:22 I worry a little bit about, like, what it's doing to me. It's the sort of thing I think Youssef would worry me about if I spoke to him about it too much.

Chris Williamson 22:28 Oh, about its non-ionizing radiation.

George 22:30 Like, is that AirPod talking to the AirPod that's over there and, like, cooking my brain in the process? End up with a Chernobyl ear, yeah.

Chris Williamson 22:36 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's already going through... I mean-

George 22:38 But I've only got one in, so is that okay?

Chris Williamson 22:41 Who knows?

George 22:41 Is it okay? Am I, what I doing okay?

Yusef 22:42 I'm less concerned about Bluetooth earphone... As far as, like, EMF exposure. I think there are other things that like-

George 22:48 Somebody shared an A- th- an AirPod thing, where the, it was like the communication between one AirPod and another.

Yusef 22:53 It's like sending multi-

George 22:53 Is... Yeah.

Yusef 22:53 ... signals through your head. Yeah. But I think, like-

George 22:56 But as medical advice, you's saying that's fine?

Yusef 22:58 The- the problem is, it's, you've got to pick your battles, haven't you? It's like air quality, water quality-

George 23:02 (laughs)

Yusef 23:02 ... plastic exposures, you know, especially with like-

George 23:04 Receipts.

Yusef 23:04 Receipts. So, for me, it's like, don't microwave plastic and don't be an idiot (laughs) .

George 23:09 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 23:09 Drive with s- drive with your seatbelt on.

Yusef 23:11 Drive with a seatbelt on and get any dinks in your car sorted as quickly as you can.

Chris Williamson 23:13 Yeah, sorted first.

George 23:15 Straightaway.

Chris Williamson 23:15 I like that. Just to add another one on there from l- l- life hacks four years ago. Uh, you can bulk buy your Audible every year.

George 23:23 Can you?

Chris Williamson 23:23 So you don't need to pay monthly. You can pay yearly, annual-

George 23:27 And you get the-

Chris Williamson 23:27 ... and you'll get all of your credits upfront and it's cheaper.

George 23:32 That's brilliant. Is that... Was that a life hack?

Chris Williamson 23:33 Mm-hmm.

George 23:34 I should really pay more attention.

Chris Williamson 23:36 It... We've just done a lot. I mean, I- I reckon we've done a thousand life hacks.

George 23:39 That's, like, top tier though. Pretty sure people know about that.

Chris Williamson 23:43 And you'll save, you'll save probably 30 or 40% and you get all of your credits immediately.

George 23:47 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 23:47 So you don't have to wait until next month if you've got a bunch of book... Or you're on holiday and you wanna download four, you've got all of your credits for the next 12 months ready to go.

George 23:55 Does Red Rising stop being good? 'Cause there's like, there's several books, right?

Chris Williamson 23:59 Uh, I'm on book six or seven now.

George 24:03 Wow.

Chris Williamson 24:03 I can't remember which one it is and I'm still going.

George 24:05 Same-

Chris Williamson 24:05 Everyone that I know that I've gotten to-

George 24:06 ... same storyline?

Chris Williamson 24:06 Yep. Same protagonists.

George 24:08 Wow.

Chris Williamson 24:09 And everyone that I know that's got onto it is h- hooked.

George 24:11 I think it, I think it crossed a point of like when they're in the mine at the beginning. I'm like, "This is a little bit bor- little bit dull."

Chris Williamson 24:16 As soon as you get out. Yeah.

George 24:17 And then he's out and he's like, "Oh my God, this is..." You can see how it's just this world of-

Chris Williamson 24:21 It's huge.

George 24:22 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 24:22 Uh, book two and book three are just obsessive. So, uh, Red Rising. You should go and download it. Even if you don't get the-

George 24:27 The, the like graphic audio, whatever it's called.

Chris Williamson 24:28 Yes.

George 24:28 Like the f-

Chris Williamson 24:29 There's a good rule of thumb, fiction before bed is amazing for-

George 24:32 Because the mind winds right.

Chris Williamson 24:32 It's kind of like that Mind War thing, right?

George 24:34 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 24:34 You're out of your own head, you're not thinking about your problems. Good. Very good. All right. Seth.

Yusef 24:39 There's the heuristic of, what can I remove? You know, so delete, automate, then delegate. But there's also, what am I already doing or using that I could be using better? So a few examples would be, like, I'm already spending the time meditating in the mornings. Like, how can I make that time more effective? Or I'm already sleeping seven hours a night, how can I improve the quality of that? Um, I'm already e- you know, you, everyone's seen someone exercising in the gym. Like, every time you go to the gym and they're there, and they're just kind of like, and they're like texting, and just swinging their arms around, not really doing anything. And you're like, they're taking all of the steps to get the result, but wasting the actual critical time in there. But this also applies to, um, the decision of like, do I add something, or do I just make what I'm already doing better, take, get more use out of that, squeeze the lemon? So rather than adding in, like, uh, a red light box and additional supplements and all this kind of stuff, it's like, "Well, what am I doing already?" We often get clients that ask us, like, "Oh, what's a good bit of software for this?" Or, "What's a good software for this?" And you're like, "Well, what are you already using?" And you, it, like 80% of the time, the software stack that they're already using does the thing that they're looking for, but they're just looking for the next thing.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 25:58 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 25:58 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 25:59 And so I'm always on about TickTick, but like the deeper I go with it, the more I'm like, oh actually, like, there's no point looking for any other app to solve any of these other problems, because if you just really, like, dive into TickTick, and now my, my referral, um, my referrals are so much that I've got an account until like 2067 or something. (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 26:24 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 26:24 My goodness.

Yusef 26:25 Um, so now I'm just like lifetime believer-

Chris Williamson 26:28 Lifetime.

Yusef 26:28 ... of TickTick. Um, so yeah, like, and as I've applied this in the last few weeks, whenever I've, like, found myself trying to solve a problem, I always take a pause and go, "Hang on, what in what we already have, what software we're already paying for, what tools we already have can do the thing?"

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 26:43 Have you got another example?

Yusef 26:45 So th- this is a niche one, but we were looking for a way to convert Twitter threads or X threads into carousels, and I was looking at new bits of software, and went, "Actually, like, we already use Hypefury for scheduling tweets, and they have a built-in thing for this." But I think it's just a natural habit of like, wow, what's the-

Chris Williamson 27:04 Shiny new thing.

Yusef 27:05 ... shiny new thing.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 27:05 Something, something new to solve this problem, as opposed to looking where you already are.

Chris Williamson 27:08 Well, what's your, what's your one of, um, you don't need new lessons?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 27:11 You need to relearn your old ones. Yeah. I mean, most of the stuff that you already, th- most of the answers to problems you have now, you already know, and you probably learned five years ago.

Yusef 27:20 So the, ironically, we were talking about this just before the episode, and last year on this episode, that life is a spiral curriculum. And that-

Chris Williamson 27:29 Mm.

Yusef 27:29 ... you look back on your-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 27:30 Beautiful.

Yusef 27:30 ... yeah, you look on your journals from when you were like 19, and even who you think was your 19, like, idiot self was still telling you the same thing that you need to learn.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 27:37 It's the same problems, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 27:38 Same problems over and over.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 27:39 The day one feature of, like, today, a year ago, five years ago, 10 years ago-

Yusef 27:43 And you're like, "Ugh."

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 27:43 ... and you're right about the same fucking problem.

Chris Williamson 27:44 But you're the same person, that's why. Like the common thread between all of that is you. And lots of stuff changes on the surface, but fundamentally, the same challenges that you have, the same emotions that come up, the same worries and concerns you do. You go, "Oh my God, so much has changed in life," you know, "I'm a dad now, I'm in a different country now, a different career now," whatever it might be, and you go, you mean y- you're still the same person.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:03 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:03 So-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:03 Experiencing the same things.

Chris Williamson 28:04 ... same hard life.

Chris Williamson 28:05 Uh, all right, my next one, uh, one that we've done a long, long time ago but continues to pay huge dividends, clip the curtains together in hotel rooms using the trouser hanger.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 28:16 I challenge anybody-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:19 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 28:20 ... to take me on with that. You get into a hotel room and these curtains, for no reason, have got, you know, a three inch or a two inch gap between them, and you try to sort of do that weird thing where you push them-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:31 Mm.

Chris Williamson 28:31 ... and see, and then they sort of settle, and they settle a bit better sometimes, and you're like, "Oh, is that good? Should I leave it?" And then you go, "I'm gonna go again." You do it, and it's further apart, and you're like, "Fuck." Uh, set of trouser hangers from the, uh, wardrobe, pin it at the top. If you've got two trouser hangers, one, two, and then three, four at the bottom. Pitch black, beautiful.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:51 Why not just wear an eye mask?

Chris Williamson 28:53 Uh, you could, but sometimes even with an eye mask, and you're rolling around, it comes off, and there's a little-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:58 You still end up with peeping in.

Chris Williamson 28:59 Yeah, it's just I think you-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 28:59 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:59 ... should always optimize for environment first and then-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 29:02 And then-

Chris Williamson 29:02 ... other stuff second, or-

Yusef 29:03 Well, technically, the light receptors on the skin will also expose you-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 29:05 I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yusef 29:05 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:05 And I think about that all the time, you know. The back of your knee can actually wake you up, so that's that, and then I guess the other one, which is related to sleep, I've spent a lot of time on the road, again this year, and a lot of time in hotels. Um, good pillow, bad bed, good night's sleep. Bad pillow, good bed, bad night's sleep. Basically, the pillow is the most important thing.

Yusef 29:23 I'm sure I've seen that in Confucius.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 29:24 Mm.

Chris Williamson 29:25 Pillow's the most important thing, uh, because it's the th- the most sort of, uh, obvious experience of you interacting with the bed-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 29:34 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 29:34 ... is whether or not it's this sort of sss, knowing of those ones that fuck you up.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 29:39 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 29:39 Yeah. And then you wake up with-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 29:41 (Laughs) Having your summate don't you? (laughs)

Yusef 29:43 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:44 (laughs) Am I fucking sleeping or drowning here? And, uh, yeah, that's it. Pin the curtains together in a hotel bedroom and optimize for, uh, better pillows, and the way you can do that, what you want to do, is find what pillow do you like, and then how available is it on Amazon Prime worldwide? And then if you can find one that you like that's available like that, and it isn't an insane price, you can add, you know, 25 pounds or whatever onto a stay but improve your sleep quality by maybe 30 minutes or an hour a night by just ordering a pillow to the hotel. You get in, you're like, "Ah, fuck, it's one of the sss ones." Get the order done next day, get a good night's sleep.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 30:21 There's a Kelly Starrett thing, like a piece of advice from years ago, where if you lie on the mattress and you bend one leg, the mattress is the wrong, like, level of turgidity. So, like, if you, y- let's say you're going into extension, so you bend, you bend one leg-

Chris Williamson 30:36 Right.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 30:36 ... to get out of extension.

Chris Williamson 30:37 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 30:38 And I think that's if the mattress is too hard.... that, that's the thing. So with the pillow versus mattress thing, I could sleep with no pillow, but if the mattress is bad, I wake up and I'm like tight, hitched up.

Chris Williamson 30:48 Interesting.

Yusef 30:48 Your Kelly Starrett hack with pillows has changed my life as well.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 30:52 Wow. And it won't even be a life hack.

Chris Williamson 30:53 Using the towel roll?

Yusef 30:54 I think it's from a, it'll be from like a 2017 life hacks or something.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 30:58 It's back when it was, like, phone video Kelly Starrett on YouTube. Never heard of the word.

Chris Williamson 31:02 Is it the towel roll thing?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:03 Th- That's, uh, and it's, it's lying, like it's, so it's like tucking your shoulder back-

Chris Williamson 31:06 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:06 ... and then the towel sits here.

Chris Williamson 31:07 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:08 And then you're, everything's in a straight line.

Chris Williamson 31:09 'Cause I've followed that, but I just put another pillow in between the two top arms.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:13 So the pillows are crossed?

Chris Williamson 31:14 No. So one's behind my head, and then I turn over to, like, spoon-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:18 Oh.

Chris Williamson 31:18 Like just my body spoon.

Yusef 31:18 It's a makeshift pregnancy pillow.

Chris Williamson 31:20 But it's not for the legs, because I found that if I had one-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:23 Too hot.

Chris Williamson 31:24 ... it just disarrang... If you've got, you've got to do this Brazilian jujitsu, you know, like sweep the legs-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:28 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 31:28 ... and then fold it up and over. If anyone that uses a pregnancy pillow consistently, very impressive, but you can't move side to side.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:34 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 31:35 So normal

Chris Williamson 31:36 pillow. G, what you got?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 31:39 My one, um, relates to, you mentioned then being on the road, um, big thing for myself this year again, don't have an office, so I'm often working from hotels, coffee shops, and things like that. And the combination of the Boyata Portable Laptop Stand with the Apple Magic Keyboard and the Apple Magic Mouse. So a few points on this. Number one, this is a bit Tony Robbins, but my kind of contrarian take on the world right now if I sit in that Peter Thiel interview, one of my contrarian takes that I give is, (laughs) is that... (laughs)

32:22 Ah.

Yusef 32:22 It's very on brand, Chris.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 32:23 Very good.

Chris Williamson 32:23 Solid.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 32:24 Um, the contrarian take right now is if you had to picture a depressed person's body language in your head, what do they look like?

Chris Williamson 32:34 Slouched over.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 32:35 The armchair.

32:36 Real contrarian.

32:37 (laughs)

32:37 Yeah, slouched over, hunched. Where's their eyes?

Chris Williamson 32:40 Down.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 32:40 Down. And people are spending eight to ten hours a day like that, whether it's on their laptop or on their phone. So the Boyata stand means that the laptop's raised, like, perfectly in front of you like that, your shoulders are back on the mouse, and you go, once you go to that, you can't go back.

Yusef 32:57 Lap lap.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 32:57 And you look at everybody else and you go, "How are you spending two hours in this depressed posture?" It's like, we've spoken about this previously, that I think a, a nonsig- uh, or a significant amount of people being, uh, miserable is just being in resting serious face versus resting smile face.

Chris Williamson 33:12 I thought about that this morning.

Yusef 33:13 And resting serious body.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:14 Yes.

Yusef 33:15 So, so I, I presented at the International Posture Summit, believe it or not. (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:18 Oh, here we go. Here we go.

Yusef 33:19 And, uh-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:19 Come right up next to me in the urinal there, and come on.

Yusef 33:22 (laughs) Yeah, how did you know?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:22 You seen this?

Yusef 33:23 Uh, no.

Chris Williamson 33:24 Been in Lily Philips?

Yusef 33:25 Well, so this is, uh, there is a study that shows that your posture impacts how much you believe your own thoughts.

Chris Williamson 33:31 Mm.

Yusef 33:31 Which is interesting. So like not so much mood and, you know, power pose, and t- testosterone/cortisol ratio's kind of been difficult to, to re-, um, reproduce in the results. But believing your own thoughts. So if you are sat up Burrata stand, (laughs) what does he call it?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:49 Boyata.

Yusef 33:50 Boyata.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:50 It's a type of cheese, isn't it, Burrata?

Chris Williamson 33:51 Yeah.

Yusef 33:52 Uh, I've, I've got a couple of-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:53 It's delicious.

Yusef 33:54 So, yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 33:55 But my, my, um, take with that is you've seen the, um, is it Jonathan Haidt who did the whole anxious mind? He says since 2008 anxiety has gone through the roof, and it lines up with social media. Obviously that's, I think, had a factor, but that's well discussed. However, it also lines up with everyone's head being down, their eyes being down.

Chris Williamson 34:13 Posture pill.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:13 And shoulders hunched over.

Chris Williamson 34:14 The posture pill.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:15 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:16 No, I'm a, I'm a big fan of it. I will say your, the height that you have it at and the closeness that you have your laptop to yourself. I would come down the stairs when we were both living in the Colton house in Austin, and you don't see a person.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:29 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:29 What you see, (laughs) what you see is this massive MacBook like this, and because it's spread out as well, it's covering his entire body, and then this, just a set of AirPod Pro Maxes poking out the top, and you're like, "Oh, Geor- Georgie's behind there somewhere." Uh-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:43 It's terrible for day game.

34:45 (laughs)

34:46 If you wanna, if you wanna pick up girls at the coffee shop, not that-

Chris Williamson 34:48 You can't do any keynote escalations.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:49 ... but it's good, it's good for networ- The amount of people go, "He must be hardcore."

Chris Williamson 34:53 He knows. Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:53 "What does he do?"

Yusef 34:54 You've loved it.

Chris Williamson 34:54 Meanwhile he's reading David Deutsch's The Beginning of Infinity with ChatGPT up and yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 34:58 For the 52nd time.

Chris Williamson 34:58 (laughs) Yeah.

Chris Williamson 35:00 Fuck. All right, uh, should we do a lesson?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:02 Oh, God.

Chris Williamson 35:02 Bring it on.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:03 Got a lesson? Oh my God.

Yusef 35:05 Yes.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:05 Fine.

Yusef 35:06 Are we out of hacks now?

Chris Williamson 35:07 No, we can go back. We've, we're-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:08 Okay. 'Cause I've got two micro hacks, but we can-

Chris Williamson 35:10 Do you want to do one more round of hacks?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:11 You trying to throw him in?

Chris Williamson 35:13 Do you want to do one more round of hacks?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:13 Well, I can do another hack.

Yusef 35:14 Just depends if you're-

Chris Williamson 35:15 Let's do ano- Let's do another round of hacks.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:16 I had ano- I had another hack chambered, ready to go.

Chris Williamson 35:18 Fire it.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:19 But now it's made me question my hack, the hack that I picked.

Chris Williamson 35:22 Mm-hmm. Don't worry.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:23 I am worrying though. I'm gonna say walking pad.

Chris Williamson 35:28 Ah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:28 Have we done that before?

Chris Williamson 35:29 Walking pad?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:30 Walking pad.

Chris Williamson 35:33 It's like a under desk treadmill?

Yusef 35:34 Both RSRPing, both just like...

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:35 Yeah, exactly. So you need a standing desk.

Chris Williamson 35:37 Yep.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:37 And then it's a treadmill that's, like, you can't run on. I mean, I've never tried, but it says don't run on it, so I figure, like, probably best to listen.

Chris Williamson 35:45 Is that why you stopped running?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 35:46 Exactly. Yeah. But the, just that as a way of you just do like two hours of work while on that, you forget that you're on it, and you, I think it's like 2,000 steps every, or like maybe 4,000 steps an hour.

Chris Williamson 35:59 Can't be 4,000 an hour.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:01 Why?

Chris Williamson 36:01 Oh, no, no it could be. Yeah. You're gonna. At that pace, yeah, probably about 4,000 an hour.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:05 'Cause you thought that was too many.

Chris Williamson 36:06 I, originally, but now I've repurposed.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:09 Realized you're wrong.

Chris Williamson 36:09 Yeah. I am.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:11 Walking pad.

36:12 And what kind of pace? 'Cause d'you ever get to a pace where you're going too fast-

36:15 Yeah.

36:16 ... and then you can't concentrate?

36:17 Also really quickly, yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:17 The classic type A problem.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:18 And then you, and then you're like, "All I'm doing now is walking low."

Chris Williamson 36:21 Looking at my screen.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:22 Yeah. (laughs) Trying not to just slightly miss the walking pad and walk into the computer.

36:27 What, what types of work, well, A, sorry. What speed have you found useful, and then what types of work have you found-

36:35 3.5.

36:35 ... 3.5. And w-

Chris Williamson 36:36 What's that, miles? Kilometers?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:37 It's just what it says on the screen.

Chris Williamson 36:38 You've both got the same one? Right.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:40 I think we might have the similar one. We have the same one.

Chris Williamson 36:43 Right, but your legs are longer.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 36:45 Doesn't matter.

Chris Williamson 36:48 I would imagine you walk quicker than these two.

George 36:50 Does that matter?

Chris Williamson 36:51 Then you would-

George 36:52 'Cause this is, we're talking about preferences here.

Chris Williamson 36:53 Uh-huh. But it actually-

George 36:54 If you ask- if you ask me-

Chris Williamson 36:54 ... means that they're walking a little bit more quickly 'cause they're

Yusef 36:56 ... what speed have you found?

Chris Williamson 36:58 They're all... They... You all like-

Yusef 36:59 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 36:59 ... the same speed.

Yusef 37:00 Don't ask me my preference and then tell me that I'm wrong.

Chris Williamson 37:02 I mean, don't freaking litigate me out of it here.

George 37:04 (laughs) Tie me up. So yeah, 3.5. Next question.

Yusef 37:07 On what type of work? (laughs)

George 37:09 Uh, so you would think it needs to be, like, email or... But it can be anything. It j- I think it just helps. You just dr- dr- drop into whatever you're doing.

Yusef 37:20 Mm. Might be quite hard.

Chris Williamson 37:20 What does that Kelly Starrett thing about, uh, when you're on-

George 37:23 At the coffee shop.

Chris Williamson 37:23 ... when you're on a phone call that's getting intense, you stand up and start walking around.

George 37:26 Yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 37:26 'Cause we're meant to locomote while we think.

George 37:27 Yeah.

Yusef 37:28 I'm- I'm picturing you Alan Partridge style, with like a Bluetooth headset on-

George 37:33 (laughs)

Yusef 37:33 ... short shorts, going, "100K or it's going to Sky."

Chris Williamson 37:37 (laughs)

George 37:38 (laughs)

Yusef 37:38 I once heard a story of, um, you know... So Ari Emanuel, that's... M- m- can't say it. Okay, it's not that bad. Um, Ari Emanuel who Ari Gold was based off on Entourage, so they own the UFC, W-W- uh, WWE. He's like the apex lawyer, um, in America for entertainment. And he's heavily dyslexic, so he just spends all day on the phone rather than doing anything that would, uh, reduce dyslexia, I guess. And I knew somebody who was in the office walking past his room, and he's on a full incline treadmill with, like, speaker on just saying, "Fuck him- fuck him for another million. Fuck him for another million. We're not moving till we fuck him for another million." That's the gateway drug, isn't it? He's gradually stepping up until he's-

Chris Williamson 38:22 That's where you're going to be 12 months time.

George 38:24 I'll be on like a-

Yusef 38:25 Yeah, one of those.

George 38:26 ... A, um-

Chris Williamson 38:26 12th strainer fucking people for a million.

George 38:28 A, uh, s- sister to your one is I found when I was in America, 'cause of the time zones reverse, I'd wake up at 6:00 AM and you've already got so many bits of work that you have to do, so you have such a high cortisol state. Going on my phone, incline treadmill, and then just working for the first 30 minutes replying to messages and emails meant that the cortisol in the morning is then getting counterbalanced by-

Yusef 38:52 Getting used.

George 38:53 ... the incline treadmill.

Chris Williamson 38:54 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 38:54 Yeah. I knew a guy who, you've met him actually, who would do cardio and just have TikTok on, like, autoplay because he said it-

Chris Williamson 39:01 Mm.

Yusef 39:02 ... made 45 minutes just-

Chris Williamson 39:03 Does work. All right.

Yusef 39:03 ... go... Which is probably terrible for your brain.

Chris Williamson 39:04 Does work.

Yusef 39:05 But... (laughs) Yeah, only allowing social- Rant.

Chris Williamson 39:06 Only allowing social media usage when you're doing incline cardio-

Yusef 39:11 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 39:11 ... is actually- That's not bad. ... good har- But- but, like, purposefully doing social media usage because you're on incline cardio-

George 39:18 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 39:18 ... feels like-

Yusef 39:18 You end up fitter-

Chris Williamson 39:19 ... slightly different.

Yusef 39:19 ... but also a bit, like-

George 39:20 Yeah, tweaked.

Chris Williamson 39:21 Yeah.

Yusef 39:21 Do you fi- 'cause Steve Jobs famously used to only do walking meetings or a lot of walking meetings. Have you found doing it for meetings useful? Or do you not want to be that guy?

Chris Williamson 39:32 Me-

George 39:32 I mean, Johnny used to try and record podcasts whilst going on- So I was gonna say that. Uh... (laughs) It's not really the audience to say like, "Well, I think I did better podcasting 'cause Chris is quite good at podcasting." But I think it's... You produce a better podcast-

Chris Williamson 39:44 Mm.

George 39:44 ... while walking.

Chris Williamson 39:45 Apart from the sound.

George 39:45 Apart from the sound. But who cares about the sound?

Chris Williamson 39:48 Yeah.

George 39:48 I c- uh, meetings are the only thing I would struggle with.

Chris Williamson 39:51 Hm.

George 39:51 For some reason. I think because you just feel like, you know, "I'm that- I'm that guy walking on the meeting."

Chris Williamson 39:56 It very much depends what sort of a meeting it is as well. You know-

George 40:00 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 40:00 ... if it's- if it's you just, "Okay, like, recap me on this what..." It's, you know, kind of sort of-

George 40:04 Mm.

Chris Williamson 40:04 ... standard stuff. Uh, okay, like, here we go. I'll have a little plod.

George 40:08 And if it's a really serious meeting and you're the only one walking, and you're the one being really serious, and like-

Yusef 40:12 You've just got to perfect the art of, like, perfectly level walking so you-

George 40:15 (laughs)

Yusef 40:15 ... only your legs are moving.

George 40:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 40:16 (laughs)

George 40:16 But you're just-

Chris Williamson 40:17 Squat jog.

George 40:18 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 40:18 Squat walk.

Yusef 40:18 I think you'd have a little bit of... Shift.

Chris Williamson 40:21 Mm-hmm. Uh, what brand did you go for?

George 40:24 Don't know, but I do know it's out of stock. But if you go on Amazon-

Chris Williamson 40:27 Oh, brilliant. That's two great things.

George 40:29 If you go on Amazon... Well, the- they cancel each other out, don't they? It doesn't matter. If you go on Amazon and search walking pad.

Chris Williamson 40:35 Walking pad. Okay.

George 40:36 Pretty much any of them. They range from... I think you tried to find, like, a bean one, didn't you, for like 50, 60 quid.

Yusef 40:43 Up to whatever you wanna pay.

George 40:44 Like s- 300 quid. 200, 300 quid get you a good one.

Chris Williamson 40:47 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 40:48 All right. Stef, you're up.

Yusef 40:49 Great product promo there (laughs) .

George 40:51 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 40:51 Well, I don't know. Don't know.

George 40:52 It's out of stock-

Chris Williamson 40:52 Don't know what it is and it's not available.

Yusef 40:53 And they can range at any price.

George 40:54 So, well, yeah. 50 quid maybe.

Yusef 40:55 So this is also to springboard off your and your hack which is just to only do voice notes while I'm walking. So, it's just to get me out of the house 'cause I know that if I got a desk pad, it would enable my screen time and I'd be doing it more. And so Dickie Bush who, um-

Chris Williamson 41:14 Twice now.

George 41:17 Chris mentioned him before.

Chris Williamson 41:18 Boobada dick down.

Yusef 41:18 Oh, there we go. Double Dickie. So, he just said don't do any work that at your desk that could be done walking.

Chris Williamson 41:27 Mm.

Yusef 41:27 And that includes, like, emails, voice notes, and to- to be honest, like, most writing now with GPT, you can just dump a bunch of words into an audio file and...

George 41:38 I mean, if you get a walking pad, it's all work, isn't it?

Yusef 41:41 It's all work.

George 41:42 Mm.

Yusef 41:42 But then you're just at your desk for a certain time.

George 41:43 But you're still walking. Still a net improvement.

Chris Williamson 41:45 What is it that you're looking for to get outside?

Yusef 41:47 To get outside.

Chris Williamson 41:47 Like, have environment change.

Yusef 41:49 Yeah. And you can now walk with AirPods in talking to yourself and people no longer think you're a nutter. It's great that-

George 41:55 Because they think you might be on a call. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 41:58 Mm, mm-hmm. Yeah, that's not bad.

Chris Williamson 42:00 Good, all right. Um, which one am I gonna choose next? Last year I said Sleep Token. This year I'm gonna say Beartooth and it's gonna make you very happy-

George 42:08 Mm-hmm. Beartooth.

Chris Williamson 42:09 ... that I've finally come around to listening to Beartooth. Really phenomenal.

Yusef 42:13 Oh, good.

Chris Williamson 42:13 Most recent album they just put out, the London vlog, uh, the song at the end that we had and the sort of the tune that was threaded throughout. Uh, shout out to Caleb, the front man, who sent me the stems from the track. So he sent me the track broken up into its individual component parts so we could really, really dial that in. That was very kind of him to do. And, uh, I just... That- they were my top played track of this year. I felt like important to give-

George 42:37 That's Alive.

Chris Williamson 42:38 Alive. Yep.

George 42:38 That was Beartooth, Attention.

Chris Williamson 42:39 Yep, of course.

Yusef 42:40 So good.

Chris Williamson 42:41 Good. Bit mincy compared, but it's all right. No, good. That whole album's, that whole album's fantastic.

Yusef 42:47 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 42:47 It only came out in October and I think they still managed to get into my Spotify Wrapped, so...

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 42:53 ... place of, uh- I'll do, I'll do another one given that that one was just music. Uh, Mitchum deodorant. So, Luke got me onto this last year and, uh, there is no deodorant that's anywhere near as good. This isn't just, like- the smell of it is fantastic, the price of it's great, the quality, it doesn't leave any white marks. And y- everyone's sort of looking for what's the best sort of deodorant. I'm not a fucking medieval peasant, I don't use roll-on deodorant. But spray Mitchum, and they also have in every Boots of UK airports, they'll have the travel size so you can actually take a 50 mil travel, throw that in your bag. Pretty sick. Mitchum and Beartooth.

43:31 So, what's good about it?

43:32 Smells good, doesn't leave any white marks, and you don't sweat. It just seems to be-

43:36 So it ticks all the boxes?

43:37 It's, yeah. And as of yet, most of them have a lingering smell. Like, Dove, Dove deodorant, you can smell somebody wearing it-

43:44 Mm-hmm.

43:44 ... from like fucking a- a few miles away and I don't like that. It's like, it- basically odorless, but does the job. So, unbeatable.

43:53 Naughty.

43:53 Naughty.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 43:55 Speaking of naughty, my one is not naughty. It's a prompt for AI. So, either ChatGPT, Claude, whatever your- that's actually a life hack within itself is to be an absolute LLM whore-

Yusef 44:08 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 44:09 ... if you can. Um, is the following prompt. So, do you know the Elon Musk quote? It's around how to learn. It's essentially this idea that you want to view knowledge as a semantic tree. So you start at the roots, then you go up to the trunk, then you have the branches, then you have, like, the secondary branches, then you have the leaves. Whereas often the way we'll approach things is, "Oh, I wanna learn about, um, the heart. I'll just put on this random Andrew Huberman podcast with a specialist about the heart and just kind of hop in." But you don't have any of the roots or anything there, so y- you never actually retain any information. Whereas when you treat knowledge as a semantic tree, you work all the way up from the base and a- and then all the way there. And a big realization this year was, it's kind of a, a bit of a Deutsch concept but essentially this idea that the only thing, the only bottleneck that really exists is knowledge. Um, uh, and then you look at, okay, you have all these great people who are self-taught, so y- you can just teach yourself, uh, from Nikola Tesla to Leonardo da Vinci. You have access to the alphabet so you can understand any concept with words. You have access to numeracy, which is only 10 digits, but you can access- you can understand any mathematical equation with numbers. Therefore, the only bottleneck to literally every single thing in your life, skill issue, knowledge. So, placing that into Claude or ChatGPT and you realize, "I can learn anything starting from there." So you start with the- you say the specific Elon quote and you say, "Teach me about X, but start with the roots and then work all the way up and don't move to the next layer until I say, 'I understand.'" And you're constantly just moving up and you realize, "Oh, I can literally teach myself anything."

Yusef 45:56 This is a nice development from your last year's one which was, "Treat me like a total idiot and start at zero until I say, 'I understand.'"

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:03 Yes.

Yusef 46:03 "And then go to step one and then step two and-"

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:04 The step here is to s- really then- you can then just move it into a, like a mind mapping software and literally just build the tree yourself.

Yusef 46:10 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:10 So then you have that semantic tree in your head of all the, um, interweaving parts.

Yusef 46:15 Big mistake that I made when studying medicine was not doing that earlier.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:19 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 46:19 You have to have, like a- a framework or a skeleton to be able to hang concepts on. Otherwise, you are just learning raw data and it's so difficult. (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:26 Yes. There's nothing connec- And, and you're just memorizing like you did at school.

Yusef 46:29 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:29 You're never actually understanding. It doesn't add together.

Yusef 46:31 There's like a tipping point.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:32 Yes.

Yusef 46:32 Like, if- if you just raw- brute force, raw dog enough data, eventually you'll start to see the coalescing, uh, parts kind of join the dots, but it's not a fun way to do it, yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:42 Rough going.

46:42 Is there something you've used that for recently?

46:45 Um, I started yesterday with longevity. So I'm going d-

Yusef 46:49 Yeah. Good one.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 46:49 'Cause that's a topic that I've always wanted to learn about-

46:52 Mm.

46:52 ... but I just kick the can down the road because I'm like, "Where do I even begin?" So I started with that. Um, try- w- with any kind of topic that will come up now, I will just whack it in there. What are you... For the, uh, LLM non-monogamous out there, what do you use each platform for? Have you found certain things are better on a certain platform?

Yusef 47:12 Yeah, I mean, there's a huge asterisk here that this will be outdated by tomorrow, 'cause it's constantly ch- literally yesterday they released a new, um, the new O version. Um, s- and then you have X now getting, uh, the- it's like three times the number of super, um, computer clusters s- with the Grok AI that's gonna go live. So, me right now, I vary between Claude and ChatGPT, but I would be shocked if next year I'm saying the exact same thing.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 47:38 Yeah, it seems like Google is-

47:40 Google's great, yeah.

47:41 The Gro- the new Grok one now where you can be on Twitter and ask Grok to explain things to you, um, Grok has way fewer, um, bottlenecks. It's way less politically correct as well. It has access to Twitter's live data.

47:53 Mm.

47:53 Um-

47:53 So it's being updated-

47:54 Yeah.

47:54 ... much more quickly. But it's also being updated by people who are on Twitter. (laughs) Highly dangerous dataset there to use.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 48:01 Uh, lesson. Johnny. Lesson.

48:03 You got a lesson?

48:04 I do.

48:05 Um...

48:07 (smacks lips) So it's a reframe on hard things, or a hard thing.

48:12 Mm.

48:12 So I think- so something that, um, I think I've been guilty of is not necessarily thinking, like, "When I achieve this, I'll be happy." But rather, like, "When I achieve this, problem's gone. Like, solved that thing now." And actually, I mean, it's, it's mainly a Propain thing. So like-

48:29 Mm.

48:29 ... Propain's grown a lot over the last two, three years and you always think, like, "We'll hit this revenue, we'll hire this person, we'll achieve this thing, n- no more problems." But actually all that happens is the new more thorny, harder problem. And reframing that as, like, that is the thing where the development- that's the devel- the develop opportunity because the next revenue level, the next th- th- the next achievement just f- always just feels exactly the same as the last one. Doesn't matter h- the size of it, they're exactly the same. But the, the who you become as a result of solving the problem at the level that you're at...... that's the, that's the gain.

Chris Williamson 49:04 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 49:04 So the phrase that I remind myself of is "For every level, there's a devil." And it's just-

Chris Williamson 49:09 Hmm.

Yusef 49:09 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 49:09 ... the current, just the current devil you're facing. Um, that's 'cause we've had like a very weird year in business, like a very, like, lots of problems that I think we would've never, um, expected. And you, your immediate response to that is like, "Ugh." But actually if you reframe that as like that's where the, that's where the growth is, that's where the personal growth is, see it differently, and it becomes almost like, not exciting, but like it's some- it's like, "Wow, there's something on the other side of this."

Chris Williamson 49:36 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 49:37 So that's been my lesson for this year, probably the biggest one.

Chris Williamson 49:40 I think that's really good. It's not too dissimilar to what we spoke about last year, and I think what all of us are kind of zeroing in on, which is accepting that things are going to be tough, but not necessarily white knuckling our way through it, and not assuming that there's any additional nobility in white knuckling it and- and trying to, uh, uh, increase the difficulty or sort of the hustle pawning your way through things. It's like, well, if there's a way that I can make this simpler or easier-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:03 Find the gummy.

Chris Williamson 50:04 Fi- yeah, exactly. It was-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:05 A creative gummy.

Chris Williamson 50:05 How can you, how can you have-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:06 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:06 ... a creative gummy for every different thing?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 50:08 And, uh, yeah, I think assuming that one day you're gonna wake up and there'll be no problems is-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:14 I- I remember the... I- I think it was Mark Zuckerberg on, maybe on Rogan, where he was, like, describing his morning. Has anyone heard this?

Chris Williamson 50:22 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:22 So, like, Mark's- Mark Zuckerberg's morning was like he wakes up and he goes and surfs because, like, when he looks at his phone, it's really all really shit, bad news.

Chris Williamson 50:32 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:32 And I was like, "Well, fuck," like, 'cause, like, that's my morning.

Chris Williamson 50:34 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:35 And it's like, his bad news will be all far worse.

Yusef 50:37 How many unread have you got currently on Telegram?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:39 Oh, I don't know. The other day it was-

Yusef 50:40 I'm at 46,000.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:42 Oh, right. Oh, shit.

Yusef 50:42 I think you're at more.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:43 No, I think the other day it was like one, two, three, four for me, and I screenshot it.

Chris Williamson 50:47 Oh. (laughs)

Yusef 50:47 (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:47 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 50:48 That's particularly, so particularly satisfying.

Yusef 50:50 On- on, uh, this lesson, there's a, uh, a beautiful... Have you ever heard of the book called The Gap and the Gain?

Chris Williamson 50:57 Benjamin Hardy.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 50:57 Yeah.

Yusef 50:58 Yeah, so there's one line in that that stuck with me and I still think about, and it's kind of a semi life hack related to this, which is forget your current problem, whatever it is. Just go back to a maybe even a more severe problem in the past, um, whether it's girlfriend cheated on you, um, fired from job, insert problem, whatever it is, right? And you go back and go, with the benefit of hindsight now, what would have been the worst interpretation of that problem? It's like, okay, girlfriend cheated on me. I'm a loser. Um, I'm gonna binge a load of food. I'm gonna write a load of angry Facebook statuses about her. Didn't work. Um, that's the kind of worst interpretation of that problem. And you go, okay, well what was the... Now I'm detached from it, what would have been the best interpretation of that? It's like, okay, I'm gonna book this personal trainer for three months. Um, I'm gonna book this trip with my friends that I was putting off because I was supposed to go on holiday with her, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you look at that now in the cold light of day, and which one did you bl- which one do you wish that you chose?

Chris Williamson 51:59 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 52:00 It's so obvious. So you do that for the past problem, and then you just go, okay, now I'm at current problem. What, what's the current worst interpretation of this? Da-da-da-da-da. What's the current best interpretation of this? Da-da-da-da. Which one do you want to choose in the absence?

Chris Williamson 52:14 What would-

Yusef 52:14 The-

Chris Williamson 52:14 ... what would you tomorrow want you today to do?

Yusef 52:15 Yes.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 52:16 The Choko, good.

Yusef 52:17 And- and then ref- literally do that exercise and just refuse to get up until you've hypnotized yourself that it's the best thing to ever happen to you.

Chris Williamson 52:24 (laughs) The, uh, uh, Marc Andreessen was on the show the other week, and he gave me this quote from Sean Parker that said, "Running a startup is like eating glass. You just start to like the taste of your own blood."

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 52:33 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 52:34 And, uh, I think that's the acceptance that after a long enough amount of time, problems are always gonna be there. You're not gonna get to a point where there aren't any problems. As the CEO or founder of a business, your only job is to work on the hardest problems, the problems that nobody else can fix, and they always stop with you, and there will always be pressure. Okay-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 52:50 Well, the more advanced you are in any field, in any pursuit, the problems are worse, aren't they?

Yusef 52:55 Yeah. Problems are-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 52:55 Or more, or more complicated-

Yusef 52:56 Problems-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 52:56 ... more painful.

Yusef 52:57 Yes.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 52:58 And it's- it's just easier to be at the basic level of everything.

Yusef 53:02 Yeah.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:02 So if you're gonna pursue the journey of like, well, I wanna achieve the- the highest level in anything, it's like, well, the- the final level, going from level nine to level 10 is gonna have the worst problem attached to it.

Yusef 53:11 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:12 So that's the price. Is that-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:13 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 53:13 ... the price that you're prepared to pay?

Yusef 53:14 I- I think there's some truth to that, but I think that's also the benefit of hindsight. You now look back at level one problems as so obvious 'cause you're now a level nine person.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:22 Yeah.

Yusef 53:22 But then as soon as you get to level 29, you look back at level nine in the same, in the same way.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:26 But that's because the- of the- of the person you become by solving these problems.

Yusef 53:29 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:29 So that- that's a much more succinct way of saying what I was saying, is that, like, it's only... It's the, it's the person you are as a, on the other side of the problem of like, wow, that was so basic, like, two years ago.

Chris Williamson 53:38 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:38 I was worrying about this thing that's really easy now.

Chris Williamson 53:41 Mm-hmm. Yeah, because if that challenge came back up to you again now, you-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:44 So easy.

Chris Williamson 53:44 ... ah, fine. No worries.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:45 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:46 Yeah, that's very interesting. That's cool.

Chris Williamson 53:48 I like that.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:48 Beautiful.

Chris Williamson 53:48 Good one.

Yusef 53:49 We didn't coordinate this, but-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 53:51 (laughs)

Yusef 53:52 ... the- you've described the irony of the human condition.

Chris Williamson 53:55 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 53:55 That we will always hit this spiral curriculum and still run into the same problems, and with our clients we have the same thing. So we help coaches to move online, and they often think that, "If I can just fix my lead generation, then my life will be sorted, and it'll be absolutely, you know, I've- I've completed it." And then all that happens is like very quickly from working with us, you know, we fix- fix that problem. It's not actually that hard a problem to solve, but then they end up with a sales bottleneck, and then they fix that, and they end up with a fulfillment bottleneck, and then they f- fix that, and they end up with an operational bottleneck. And then like, oh, actually, like, life isn't just sunshine and rainbows after this one thing that I can solve. So for me, very similar lesson, which was we are the ones that define success in our lives, and yet for some reason, we have a desire, we close the gap somehow by fulfilling the desire, and then we move the goal post, and then we keep doing that. And we're like, "Oh, why am I perpetually dissatisfied?" And hearing your podcast with, uh, Andrew Wilkinson, billionaire, who's just like, his main conclusion from becoming a billionaire is, "Oh, I'm still the same, like, miserable, dissatisfied person I've ever been, but with more money." And it's like it takes somebody who's actually, like, smashed that particular stream to be like, ah, maybe the answers aren't hiding behind more money or whatever.

Chris Williamson 55:09 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 55:10 And so ultimately-

55:11 ... we defer gratification for- or, or we feel like we're suffering the most in the thing that we're most deficient in. So, whether it's money, or time, or friendships-

Chris Williamson 55:22 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 55:22 ... or whatever, that's like the thing which is like the- the alligator at the boat. And whoever has something like that, it's like the drowning man wanting air, they feel like that is the thing which, if they solve it, life would be complete. So like, in cell forums, they're obsessed with like, "If I could just get a girlfriend, then I'd be totally fine." And the weird thing about all of this, I think when I kind of reflect on this, is that the- the domains of life that we have sorted, and most of us like watching this, you know, you- if you're watching this, hopefully you're healthy, you have access to being outside, you're not in prison, you- you know, you have central heating. Like all this stuff, like physical health, and time, and family, and sun, and all that stuff is just fully available in abundance, but we just go, "Oh no, but I need another two grand- (laughs) or I need another whatever." And so, um, the- I guess the lesson is to stop moving the goalposts, or if you do, recognize that it's just a game that we're playing, but you can still recognize that you are happy right now and all that suffering of the gap is just caused by the mind.

Chris Williamson 56:32 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 56:33 So, Felix Dennis has a book called How to Get Rich, which is- he's- he's made it really like distasteful in the way that it's branded and stuff, and he's sat there like- like a maniacal, like monocle and, uh, "Ah-ha-ha," you know, the kind of- um, because he's trying to paint this picture that you are, um- you set that as the goal. And he says, "I'm writing this at the age of 83, and if you're reading this book, I would swap places with you in a heartbeat because you have the one thing that I don't, which is time." And I've made my $300 million or whatever to then go and sit in a wood cabin and write poetry, and I could have done that at 30.

Chris Williamson 57:13 Mm-hmm.

George 57:14 Yeah. I had that, uh, realization, it's kind of like a- a nice meme, but you're already a billionaire just in a illiquid asset, which is your health. Because any billionaire, and there'll be a lot out there right now, or center millionaires that are on their deathbed, would give everything for your health.

Yusef 57:30 Yeah.

George 57:30 Therefore, yes you can't, uh, liquidize it yet, maybe you will be in the future.

Yusef 57:35 Mm-hmm.

George 57:35 But illiquid wealth, you're already a billionaire, which is a wild thought.

Chris Williamson 57:39 The insight around the thing that you desire most is the thing that you assume will fix all of your problems. Uh, I came up with this idea the other day of unteachable lessons, and I think one of the unteachable lessons is money and fame won't fix all of the problems that you have in life, because for- the total addressable market for more fame and more money is basically everybody. And-

George 58:01 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 58:01 ... Andrew Wilkinson is a billionaire coming on, it's so done, it's so done that when he even comes on, there's a bit of me that thinks we can't go down that road, because I know of the antibody response system on the internet. I also know that it just doesn't- it seems to not land. And maybe it wouldn't have landed with me, and it probably still doesn't land with me.

Yusef 58:16 It- it never does. It's n- it's- as Frankl says, it's one of the three insatiable desires, money, sex, and power.

Chris Williamson 58:21 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 58:22 And you can keep chasing them. So, I mean, Wilkinson was talking about his mate who was like a multi-billionaire and was like, "Oh, but Jeff, he's like really rich though, isn't he?" And he was like, "But what can Jeff afford that you can't?" And they're like, "Oh, a super yacht." Right, okay, so (laughs) -

Chris Williamson 58:40 Yeah.

Yusef 58:41 ... that's the level-

Chris Williamson 58:41 Was it you- was it- who was it that taught us that lesson about how when you ask people what they want their, uh, annual income to be, it's always the-

George 58:49 Sahil.

Chris Williamson 58:50 Yeah, yeah. Do you wanna tell that story? Can you remember it?

George 58:52 Yeah. Essentially whenever you ask somebody what would be your kind of goal income where you would stop and relax a bit more, it's basically always 2.5 to 3X where you are right now.

Chris Williamson 59:02 Mm-hmm.

George 59:03 And then as soon as you hit that, it just re-baselines.

Yusef 59:05 2.5 to 3X, 2.5 to 3X, 2.5 to 3X.

Chris Williamson 59:06 Re-baselining, re-baselining. Yeah, it's so funny.

George 59:09 That thing going around social media where they- they ask someone like, "You can- I'll give you 10 million, but you can't wake up tomorrow. Would you accept?" Or like, "Would- would you want 10 million?" And everyone goes, "Yes, yes." But then, "You can have 10 million, but you don't wake up in the morning. Do you still want the 10 million?" And everyone goes, "Oh, no." As you're saying, "Well, waking up tomorrow is worth more than 10 million."

Chris Williamson 59:25 Mm-hmm.

George 59:26 And people go (gasps) .

Chris Williamson 59:27 (laughs)

George 59:27 But like if you really think about that, it's- it is like, oh right, so th- the most valuable thing is the thing that I take for granted every single day. Which is, I suppose the- it's the youth, it's like the future that you have ahead of you.

Chris Williamson 59:37 Mm-hmm.

George 59:38 But you- you ignore that.

Chris Williamson 59:39 But a lot of that's- a lot of that as well is framing, because you can't cash the future in right now. Like the fact that no- nothing is promised beyond just th- this moment-

George 59:47 Right now.

Chris Williamson 59:48 ... right now. And sure, your felt sense of it, as you're older maybe you can do less, there's less you can do with this moment right now. But tomorrow at 80 and tomorrow right now are the exact same amount of time.

George 59:59 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 59:59 Uh, so beyond the health impact of it, there is no difference. The only thing is, you- remember when you used to go back to school- or a Monday for me, it's a good example on a Monday. For me, I go to bed on a Sunday night, I reliably have good sleep, and I'm fired up for a Monday 'cause it feels like the whole week is ahead of me. But I get to sort of a- a Friday or a Saturday, and I have this sort of retrospective energy to me where I'm thinking about the week, and then it gets to Monday morning again and I'm sort of excited, and it almost feels like that but with age. It's like there's no real reason, if you can do the full non-dual fucking attachment thing, there's no reason why a day now and a day in 20 years' time is worth any more or any less. In fact, you should-

Yusef 1:00:36 We do it at all time frames, don't we? 'Cause I'm sure in our 20s we were like, "Oh," but the 30s are, and then the- the 40s it's the same-

Chris Williamson 1:00:42 But at some point it's gonna flip, right? At some point it's gonna be like, oh, if you're not careful about it, that you're gonna get older and start thinking wistfully about what was behind, not hopefully about what's to come.

George 1:00:51 Is it not multiplied by like physical ability?

Chris Williamson 1:00:54 By a- a big margin.

George 1:00:55 Like that's- like enjoying anything is magnified when you can walk-

Chris Williamson 1:00:59 Mm-hmm.

George 1:00:59 ... there's no pain, there's no-

Chris Williamson 1:01:00 Mm-hmm.

George 1:01:00 You're fully mobile.

Chris Williamson 1:01:02 All

Chris Williamson 1:01:03 right, my first one. Uh, that was fucking awesome. That was a good one too.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:01:05 Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one.

Chris Williamson 1:01:06 Um, uh, this again from Your Birthday, uh, "Outcomes matter more than inputs." And, uh, you've been on this, Fleck, for quite a while, it's, uh, not too dissimilar to I look for efficiency over... I look for effectiveness over efficiency. Um, but outcomes matter more than inputs. A lot of the time, especially as you get sort of further into black belt territory on the productivity row optimization world, you do this sort of weird rain dance, this sort of productivity rain dance of lots of things that maybe you needed them previously or maybe they never served you or maybe they did serve you but they don't serve you now, uh, but you keep doing them. You have these sort of odd, uh, attachments to ways of working and things that you do or members of staff or systems or processes or, or whatever it is. And, uh, what's that quote about people working so hard and achieving-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:01:55 So little.

Chris Williamson 1:01:56 Who's that?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:01:57 Andy Grove.

Chris Williamson 1:01:58 Andy Grove. There are so many people working so hard and achieving so little. Holy fuck.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:02:02 So is this... Is this like don't complete suffering with productivity or is it more like-

Chris Williamson 1:02:07 It-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:02:07 ... don't get attached to old systems that-

Chris Williamson 1:02:09 It-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:02:10 ... got you to where you are?

Chris Williamson 1:02:10 The suff- the suffering thing is, is probably a part of it, but this is probably even more zoomed out than that, which is a lot of the time people focus on how hard I've worked during the day, regardless of whether it was suffering or not. It's wh- I did all of this stuff, look at all the effort that I put in. He goes, "What did you do on the backend of that?" Because we've all had jobs, projects, things that we needed to finish, and the very thing that you're putting off is the most important thing that you're supposed to do.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:02:36 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:02:36 And you go, "Dude, I worked all day." And you go, "Track what you did today. You cleaned the kitchen. You had this huge email to write and you clea- you spent 45 minutes cleaning the fucking kitchen. Why'd you do that?" "Well, I worked really hard today." And he's like, "Yes, yes, yes, but what were you trying to achieve?" And it's also, I think, just a reminder that effectiveness is really the only thing that matters.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:02:56 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:02:57 Y- you can continue to put your foot harder and harder and harder on the accelerator, but if you've also got your foot on the break, or if you're driving in the wrong direction, it kind of doesn't matter. So outcomes matter more than inputs, as in a lot of the time because you're... The feedback loop on when am I going to get the output is usually a little bit down the line. Maybe it's gonna be tomorrow, maybe it's gonna be next year, maybe it's gonna be in five years time, or whatever. The only thing that you can, uh, bounce off is inputs. How much work did I do today? And then, for instance, you wake up on a morning and you're, you've slept in by three hours and immediately feel like a piece of shit. You think, "I'm a piece of shit because I slept in."

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:03:36 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:03:36 And you go, "Right, okay." W- th- you're looking at such a brief window, uh, like y- the entirety of your life-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:03:42 But I'm in the lower quartile of the-

Chris Williamson 1:03:44 Your fucking sleep regularity.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:03:46 ... window of

1:03:47 Yep.

Chris Williamson 1:03:47 Uh, the entirety of your life and you've taken this one moment and be like because of that one thing that I did. It's like what if that allows you to get way more out of this week?

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:03:56 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:03:56 What if this allows you to get closer to your goals much more quickly, or what if this is just something that your body needs so that you can be happier? So-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04:02 And is there one way to guarantee that you won't get the best out of this week is if you just beat yourself up for it all day.

Chris Williamson 1:04:06 For the rest of the day.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04:07 Call yourself a piece of shit, yeah. There's a fun idea here which is just only setting on your, like, to-do list the biggest thing that you have to do. And sometimes it might be, like, 10 minutes long. It might be send an email or fire this person or put this job ad live, and then just give yourself the rest of the day off. I did that for a few weeks and it was fucking weird.

Chris Williamson 1:04:30 You feel, you feel brilliant.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04:31 You f- yeah, but you also still have it, to your point, that kind of Protestant guilt that I, I need to be working.

Chris Williamson 1:04:36 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04:36 Why are you not working? Even though I've achieved more than I would do by doing the most important thing, there's then just this sense of anxious I need to be busy, I need to be busy.

Chris Williamson 1:04:45 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04:46 So that's the first one. And then the second one is, um, yeah, if you don't know what the most important thing is, you've identified what the most important thing is-

Chris Williamson 1:04:55 Mm-hmm.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:04:55 ... and it's figuring out what-

1:04:55 It's just like finding the most important thing.

1:04:57 ... the most important thing. So it's a beautiful loop.

1:04:59 Is it, like, a really old Tim Ferriss article about this, about, like, how he stays productive? It's called, like, Productivity Tips for Depressive People Like Me or something like that. But it's, there's loads of quotes in it like, "Doing something well doesn't make it important," which I think about all the time.

1:05:14 Doing something well doesn't have to be important.

1:05:15 Does not make it important.

Chris Williamson 1:05:15 That's, that's it. That's it in a meme.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:05:16 Like, being, being busy is a form of, like, indiscriminate action and procrastination. Like, b- busy people just don't know what to focus on.

Chris Williamson 1:05:23 Well, your calendar is a better indication of your wealth than your bank account.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:05:26 Yeah. And then right out, the practical thing is right out all your to-dos, pick, like, the top three that make you most scared, then pick one of them and just do it for three hours.

1:05:35 Beautiful.

1:05:36 And that's, that's how he says productive or effective. Like wr- wr- wrestling with bears, um- Would it be on your to-do list-

1:05:41 Fight, fighting an ax. (laughs)

1:05:42 Even if it-

Chris Williamson 1:05:42 Representing, legally representing Lily Philips. (laughs)

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:05:45 Jesus.

1:05:47 It's always the thing that makes you-

1:05:48 I want it to be by a hundred.

1:05:50 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:51 Um, so-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:05:51 If you're looking at your to-do list and pick the thing you're like, "Oh."

1:05:54 So the asterisk I'd give to that, you know, you mentioned then the one that will, and then do three hours on that.

1:05:58 Mm-hmm.

1:05:58 The key thing there is even, you know, Elon Musk algorithm of, like, question every assumption and then simplify, simplify, simplify. Even that I would drop off, do three hours 'cause it might, the biggest thing might just be I need to break up with this person-

1:06:11 Mm-hmm.

1:06:11 ... or I need to do-

1:06:12 Right, to just do that thing. (laughs)

1:06:13 ... book this flight. I just, all I need to do is book-

Chris Williamson 1:06:15 (laughs) Parkinson's Law the breakup out into three hours long.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:06:18 (laughs) Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

1:06:19 Right, so we've got...

Chris Williamson 1:06:21 No, no, no.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:06:21 Or I need to book this flight to this location, and it might, or I need to set up this banking account.

1:06:26 But if you've got three hours blocked out, you're definitely gonna get it done, aren't you?

1:06:29 True. True.

1:06:29 That's, I think that's the point is, like, fence off, like, don't try to be this, like, "Oh, I'll just do it 10 minutes later, I'll do..." Like, the most important thing to do today is that thing.

1:06:37 Yeah.

1:06:37 That's all you're doing until lunch.

1:06:38 Mm-hmm.

1:06:38 Until it's finished. But it's, no one ever does it. And people write too many things on this to-do list, don't get them done, and push them over to tomorrow.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:06:46 Sure.

Chris Williamson 1:06:46 Do you want me to-

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:06:47 No, you're up.

1:06:47 I'm kind of related to this one. It's, uh, it's a good, it's a very cool one. Um-

Chris Williamson 1:06:50 So funny how all of the hacks and all of the lessons end up... We, we, we haven't coordinated this before.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:06:54 No, but that's so similar.

Chris Williamson 1:06:55 We don't talk about doing it before.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:06:56 So this is, like, a life hack/lesson. They're both, both related. Um, and I call it, um, turning bullshit into reality.And, I'll do the exercise with you guys. Now, this- if only- if I only did this every day. Whenever I've done it, I've gone, "That's a great day." So, we start with bullshit. What are your values? Do you have any that come to mind? And i- o- and if you don't have like, "I've thought through, like, my values, blah, blah," that bullshit. Any values that you just immediately come to mind of things that you'd like to do more of? Johnny. There's no wrong answer.

1:07:31 Physical challenge.

1:07:32 Physical challenge. Yusuf.

Yusef 1:07:34 Pass.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07:35 Just, come on, you got-

Chris Williamson 1:07:35 Come on.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07:36 Come on. Just give me something that you value, like, that you-

Chris Williamson 1:07:38 Organized personal gratitude.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07:40 ... more of a conversation. I don't know.

Yusef 1:07:40 Yeah, gratitude.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07:41 Gratitude, okay, cool.

Chris Williamson 1:07:42 Adventure.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07:43 Adventure, okay. So, you create an Apple Note, and you put that value at the top. Now you have to creatively brainstorm 10 ways you can do that. So, for example, physical challenge. It could be...

1:07:53 Run.

1:07:54 But like, run 5K, right? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:07:55 Run 5K.

Jonathan (Jonny) Watson 1:07:56 Um, it could...