Defeat Your Limiting Beliefs - Peter Crone | Modern Wisdom Podcast 327

1. 0:00 – 0:18

   Intro

   1. PCPeter Crone0:00

      Is it really true, like one of the very quick tips I tell people is put a question mark at the end of everything that you hear in your head. Just put a question mark. You're a (censored) idiot. You're a (censored) idiot.

   2. CWChris Williamson0:11

      (laughs)

   3. PCPeter Crone0:11

      I mean, it still might be a yes, but ... (laughs)

   4. CWChris Williamson0:15

      (laughs)

2. 0:18 – 0:48

   What do you do for work

   1. CWChris Williamson0:18

      What do you describe what you do for work? How do you describe it?

   2. PCPeter Crone0:23

      Um, well, I mean, the moniker that I've commonly, uh, become known as is the Mind Architect. Um, in terms of what does that mean, uh, my main product I tell people is freedom, uh, really liberating people from the constraints of, uh, particularly their subconscious mind. So the primal patterns that have us as human beings suffer in any way, I, uh, emancipate people from that mental prison.

3. 0:48 – 1:47

   Why is the subconscious important

   1. CWChris Williamson0:48

      Why is the subconscious-

   2. PCPeter Crone0:49

      (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson0:49

      ... so important with that, given the fact that a lot of people-

   4. PCPeter Crone0:52

      Mm-hmm.

   5. CWChris Williamson0:53

      ... see their suffering coming from external factors or internal obvious triggers? Why, why does the subconscious fit into this?

   6. PCPeter Crone1:00

      Um, it's sort of the quintessential part of the iceberg that you can't see. You know, we've all seen those memes a million times as it relates to business and whatever it is. Like, you know, you can just see the tip that's, um, someone's persona as we know them perhaps, but until you get to the deeper seated programming that really was, uh, created during the formative years of our childhood. And the- these are the constraints that we function within. And so if you really want to make any kind of lasting change in your life or any dramatic change, then you've got to be able to access what are the parameters that a human being currently functions in, versus sort of just changing the, the superficial behaviors which a lot of peoples, you know, are constantly trying to do. And then they wonder why they revert back to old habits.

4. 1:47 – 3:07

   How important is the subconscious

   1. PCPeter Crone1:47

   2. CWChris Williamson1:47

      How much or how important is our subconscious in between the two? We've got the external factors. Is it that iceberg analogy? Do you think that what we see and what we perceive is only a small amount of what causes suffering or happiness?

   3. PCPeter Crone2:01

      I mean, the immediate answer is yes. (laughs) Um, I mean, it's important, uh, as important as the foundations of a house. You know, you could say, "Well, you know, I really like this particular tap. You know, it's like gorgeous and it's gold plated," and (laughs) like, okay, that's awesome, but like, you know, where does that go in your master bathroom? And that's part of a five, 6000 square foot home and all of it doesn't mean jack unless you've got a solid foundation. You know, if you built a foundation for a house that can only hold a 2000 square foot building, then you can dream and aspire as much as you want for this beautiful sprawling mansion, but it's not gonna work. Right? So that's the equivalent in terms of construction, but that's someone's life. They want to make money, they want to have a beautiful relationship, they want to be in great shape, they want to live for a long li- you know, all of the things that people dream and aspire to can't happen if you're functioning within a foundation, AKA your subconscious, that won't, uh, permit it, won't, uh, make space for

5. 3:07 – 6:55

   What it means to have a conversation

   1. PCPeter Crone3:07

      it.

   2. CWChris Williamson3:07

      What does it mean to have a conversation or to interact with something which by its very definition is below the threshold of our own consciousness? We're talking about trying to interact with something which is purpose-built to not be noticeable.

   3. PCPeter Crone3:23

      Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what, what does it mean to have a conversation with that?

   4. CWChris Williamson3:26

      W- how do you, how do you even begin? Yeah.

   5. PCPeter Crone3:29

      Oh, it is ... No. Well, you have to, you have to talk to Peter Crone, obviously. (laughs)

   6. CWChris Williamson3:33

      That's why you're here, Peter.

   7. PCPeter Crone3:36

      Um, so yes, it, it gets a bit slippery and it's why I, uh, why I use the term reverse engineer. So where there's smoke, you know, where there's fire, right? Like, so there's an implication. So the way that I work, Son, is when somebody does work with me, an athlete, an entertainer, a businessman, or whoever it might be, whatever it is that they believe they're dealing with, they're gonna be able to present their story, their scenarios, their symptoms. And for me that reveals, okay, if you experience depression, anxiety, addiction, relationship problems, financial problems, an ongoing disease, some sort of chronic condition, then it's revelatory to me. Meaning I'm able to go, oh, okay, if you deal with this particular superficial situation, then that tells me a lot about what must be beneath the surface. So it's a bit of a, I'd say it's actually a lot of a gift, but it's also, it is difficult for the individual to be able to just access their own subconscious because it's sort of behind the eyes literally and figuratively, right? So it takes somebody who's willing either to get reflection from somebody who knows how to listen in a powerful way, or to be able to sit still long enough to really inquire, like through meditation, um, as one example, what must I believe about myself at the deepest level that has me think, feel, and behave in a certain way that elicits these results? Versus just trying to change behavior. Most people function in the world of action, right? You go and see a specialist or an expert and they're like, "Oh, you do this, do that, shouldn't do that. Stop." It's all in the realm of behavior. So that's maybe gonna make some sort of transitory difference, but it's not gonna be long-lasting if you haven't changed the fundamental code in the way that you view yourself 'cause you're still eventually gonna have the same thoughts that lead to the same feelings that then will create automatically actions, the habits, and the consequential results. So you've gotta go to the center of who you are as a being if you want to make any kind of long-lasting profound change in your life. So that's what it looks like, is it's slippery, it's difficult, it takes a lot of intuition, and invariably it takes reflection. You know, this is why I think relationships are beautiful because you may not be going to see a Peter Crone or a, you know, a-... or a, a therapist or someone who's worth their salt. But you know, you might have a girlfriend or a boyfriend or a husband or a wife or a mother-in-law, and they trigger the shit outta you. Well, there's your therapist. (laughs)

   8. CWChris Williamson6:10

      (laughs)

   9. PCPeter Crone6:10

      You know? It's like, "They piss me off, they upset me." Uh, you know? And okay, great. Well then, that's just helping you to see where is your foundation, to use the metaphor I gave earlier, a little bit shaky? Where are you unable to be with the circumstances of life without getting upset? That's the revelation process. So, usually most people don't want to look at it as themselves. It's, "No, it really is my mother-in-law. Like, if you met her, you would agree." (laughs)

   10. CWChris Williamson6:35

       Yeah, "She's a bitch."

   11. PCPeter Crone6:36

       You know, it's just like-

   12. CWChris Williamson6:36

       "Everyone around us says that she's a bitch."

   13. PCPeter Crone6:38

       Yeah. And you've got all the evidence to confirm. Okay, great. Well then, you're stuck, because you're right about the fact that you are a victim of circumstance, and that's one of the most powerless places for people to be. (inhales deeply) So, life will continue to help you to see what's going on in your subconscious. It's just, are you paying attention? (laughs)

6. 6:55 – 11:15

   The unknown unknowns

   1. PCPeter Crone6:55

   2. CWChris Williamson6:56

      It's obvious to me, sometimes you, you see people or you meet people, and they have a... It's like a flavor to, that imbues all of the things that they do, all of the different interactions. Whether they be in a relationship, whether they be at work, whether it's to do with their fitness, their health, their happiness-

   3. PCPeter Crone7:14

      Mm-hmm.

   4. CWChris Williamson7:14

      ... whatever it might be. Everything-

   5. PCPeter Crone7:16

      Yeah.

   6. CWChris Williamson7:16

      ... kind of has the same tenor.

   7. PCPeter Crone7:20

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah.

   8. CWChris Williamson7:20

      You know? It's like all on the same sort of frequency somehow. Everything's a bit, the... It's a little bit passive-aggressive, or it's a little bit kind of overly defensive, or it's a little bit vulnerable, or it's a little bit they don't take stuff seriously. And it always seems to happen across the lot. And the, there is a unifying thread that brings all of that together. I'm gonna guess-

   9. PCPeter Crone7:41

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson7:41

       ... that, that is these unknown unknowns that sit in the subconscious.

   11. PCPeter Crone7:45

       Correct. Yeah. It's... You know, if you're, if you're sitting in a, in a world, a construct, then it's kinda like it doesn't matter what you do, who you're with, what you wear, what you say. Everything is being informed by that fundamental construct, right? So, right now, for example, we are all on planet Earth. You know, I don't know how big your audience is. I'm assuming it's not beyond the globe, but maybe it is. Welcome to those who are listening from afar. (laughs)

   12. CWChris Williamson8:14

       World's first intergalactic podcast. Yeah, precisely.

   13. PCPeter Crone8:16

       Yeah. (laughs) Right. But I'm gonna guess that for the most part, people are on planet Earth somewhere. And one of the constructs that we all fall prey to, that we all have to abide by the laws of physics, is called gravity. Doesn't matter if you're in the UK or here in the States, or you're in Iceland or Timbuktu or Australia. If you stand on a wall, don't, you know, don't go on a very high wall, but if you go on a two, three-foot wall and you jump, you know you're going to go down, right? Hence why I don't want people to be on a massive wall. (laughs) Now we don't want any injuries on this intergalactical podcast. But anyway, the point is, that is a construct that we function within, and it doesn't matter where you go, that's going to be the case, right? That you're going to be able to jump to a certain degree, but you're always gonna come back down. So likewise, in somebody's subconscious, whatever it is, your particular flavor, to you said, you know, there's this sort of certain quality that is consistent in people's behavior. It's, it's because they're being informed by the same construct for them. You know, for someone it might be the world of, they don't feel like they're good enough, you know, which everyone can relate to. So, in their particular way of interacting in relationships, in the workplace, in their home, in their body, there's this undercurrent of perfectionism. You know, you, you know Dave, and he can't like ever kind of relax, you know? It's like he's always gotta have his shit together and he is always well put together and, you know, he can't really tell you that things didn't go well 'cause that would look bad and... You know, he's being informed by the fact that at the deeper level, he doesn't feel good enough. And so a compensatory like mechanism, the way that he's learned to protect himself and survive is to become a perfectionist, right? Um, so that's again where we could reverse engineer. You see someone's superficial behaviors, the way that they consistently get the same results, and then it will reveal, "Ah, okay, I can see that at a young age, 'cause his brother got more attention, was a better athlete or was more successful in the school play, uh, you know, or had greater academic results, than Dave relative to his older brother, felt somewhat inadequate. And he made that mean that he wasn't good enough, and then he developed his survival mechanisms, right?" So, um, that's, you know, that's what everyone's dealing with. They've got their own flavor of their personality, and even the word persona, right, in Greek re- relates to when they were doing plays, they would wear a mask and use this bullhorn to speak through as actors, and that was called the persona. It was a mask. And even though, you know, we're, we're, you see there's persons on the planet, like that persona is something really that I'm, I'm revealing for somebody in the most compassionate, loving way. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is gonna be an obstacle potentially to the things that you want to create in your life. And if I can bring light to the constraints so that you can step outside of them, then you have a bigger bandwidth, you become more expanded and you have a greater life, so-

   14. CWChris Williamson11:14

       Uh-

   15. PCPeter Crone11:14

       ... if you're into that

7. 11:15 – 14:35

   Laws of physics

   1. PCPeter Crone11:15

      kind of stuff. (laughs)

   2. CWChris Williamson11:15

      I like the analogy of it being your own personal laws of physics. I think that's really-

   3. PCPeter Crone11:21

      Yeah.

   4. CWChris Williamson11:21

      ... really cool, that you have-

   5. PCPeter Crone11:22

      Mm-hmm.

   6. CWChris Williamson11:22

      ... certain things and you could look at somebody else and they're a different universe. And in their universe, perhaps the laws of physics actually manifest a little bit differently.

   7. PCPeter Crone11:32

      Mm-hmm.

   8. CWChris Williamson11:32

      And that could be the way that they deal with setbacks. And in your physical universe, the way that your substrate, the source code within your subconscious is written, that you have this program. If bad thing happens, run program shityourpants.exe or whatever it might be.

   9. PCPeter Crone11:49

      Right. Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson11:50

       Um, but for this other person, you're like, "Well, how? He deals with it fine," or, "She deals with it fine."

   11. PCPeter Crone11:54

       Right. Yeah.

   12. CWChris Williamson11:54

       "How come that happens?"

   13. PCPeter Crone11:56

       Yeah. Yeah. And it's at that level that we can really say there's no such thing as choice. It's, uh, trigger and response. Trigger and response, right? So-... when you become increasingly aware of your code, of your deep-seated programs, now we could say that there's a semblance of responsibility, right? Which is, um, access to being a powerful human being. So, oh, if I know the mechanisms that run me by virtue of how I've been conditioned over time, then I have a choice. If I'm in the program, there's no choice. It's just literally external stimulus, internal reaction. And we see this, you know, people in traffic, someone cuts you off, it's like, "Hey, you fucking idiot." You know, it's like... That- that's no- that's not a choice response. That is purely automated and it can lead to a lot of, you know, blood and (laughs) scuffed fists and whatever, you know. But it's... If you start to go, "Wow, I'm under the impression that like, a piece of metal and plastic with a human being in it driving, that I don't even know who they are," that reaction is saying that I'm giving them power over my emotional state. Now, when you broke it down, it's like it's completely nonsensical. I don't even know who that person is and I'm saying they are in charge of my internal wellness, right? And when you see that, it's like, well, why would- why would I give that person so much command over my emotional wellbeing? Well, you wouldn't if you were like, a rational, intelligent, like, responsible human being. And that starts to give that idea of self-responsibility of like, okay, that person coming in front of me in the traffic adds maybe like, one to two seconds in my day, but I watch crap TV for three hours a night. Like, (laughs) you know, it's like, really? Is that really gonna change the fact that I'm not a multimillionaire with a six-pack and dating a supermodel or whatever that person wants? Like, no. I mean, you start to go, "Oh, hang on a minute, I'm just a victim of my own conditioning." Not even a victim of circumstance. I'm a victim of my own programming that I'm oblivious to. And becoming a powerful human being is to reveal the programming that I have by virtue of my childhood, which is no slight on parents. It's not like mom and dad's fault, they're doing the best they can within their programming. So we get out of the blame game too and go, "Oh, hang on. There's this sentient being, a soul who's incarnated, I've taken on this code. And perhaps we could say that my opportunity is to reveal the code and transcend it so that I step into a much broader, expanded version of myself, and consequently great things show up in my life." Boom. End of story. (laughs)

8. 14:35 – 17:35

   Deprogramming

   1. PCPeter Crone14:35

   2. CWChris Williamson14:35

      It's interesting, it's interesting thinking about just how much deprogramming we can do.

   3. PCPeter Crone14:41

      Mm-hmm.

   4. CWChris Williamson14:41

      Is there a state where you can get to where you've dissolved so much subconscious that it's actually a disadvantage?

   5. PCPeter Crone14:48

      Not that I'm aware of. Why would you think-

   6. CWChris Williamson14:50

      You think that most people just have more to do... Well, I- I don't know how your work and your vision of the subconscious maps onto sort of dissolving of the ego and letting go, et cetera, but-

   7. PCPeter Crone15:01

      Yeah.

   8. CWChris Williamson15:02

      ... I can imagine a world within which people became so enlightened or they-

   9. PCPeter Crone15:08

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson15:08

       ... became so detached from their subconscious and what their actual internal programming is supposed to do. For instance, your body keeps you breathing all the time.

   11. PCPeter Crone15:19

       Yeah.

   12. CWChris Williamson15:19

       You don't consciously have to think about that. It is a subconscious action that keeps that going. And there's a lot of wisdom inherent just in the way that we are. Now-

   13. PCPeter Crone15:28

       Mm-hmm.

   14. CWChris Williamson15:28

       ... a lot of that also kind of manifests in a malignant or a- a not... non-adaptive, non-effective manner.

   15. PCPeter Crone15:35

       Yeah.

   16. CWChris Williamson15:35

       But there's also, there's also certain things, you put your hand in a fire, you don't really actually need to be taught not to do it. Your body is able to react in that sort of a way.

   17. PCPeter Crone15:43

       Yeah. Yeah.

   18. CWChris Williamson15:43

       I'm aware that that's slightly less cognitive and cerebral and a little bit more sort of within the body, that's more embodied.

   19. PCPeter Crone15:50

       Yeah.

   20. CWChris Williamson15:50

       But still, I wonder whether there is too far... It would appear that you haven't found someone that's pushed it too far yet?

   21. PCPeter Crone15:56

       No, because again, like I said earlier when I was speaking specifically about the subconscious, I didn't say we're getting rid of everything that's part of your subconscious. Like being able to get out of bed in the morning and walk over to the toilet and, you know, take a leak or then go to the kitchen and get a glass of water. You know, that's part of your subconscious, yeah? When... If you remember, which most people won't, but if they're a parent, they certainly see it, which is as a three-month-old, they can't do that (laughs) right? So part of the habituation of what it means to be a human and certainly an adult or after we get to about the age of two and we have functions like walking, running, balance, that- that's great aspects of the programming of the subconscious. But what I said is we want to remove the constraints, not like, remove every piece of programming that you've ever downloaded and developed. No, that would, uh, that probably wouldn't look pretty. Um, so it's really specifically to what I would consider these primal pieces of code that are all in the realm of survival that are... They're- they're fundamentally based in fear, right? That's the... They're- they're the constraints of the subconscious that I'm reconciling and dissolving for people. Like, I love the fact that you know how to ride a bike or you can ride a motorcycle at speed around a corner. Like, you know, good for you. But if you do it from a perspective of, "I am trying to impress my girlfriend on the back 'cause I'm scared that no one loves me," yeah, you know, that might not end well, right? So (laughs) you know, like, that goes back to our mate Dave, you know, who's trying to show off all the time. (laughs)

   22. CWChris Williamson17:31

       What are the most-

   23. PCPeter Crone17:31

       That's only gets all the Daves out there

   24. CWChris Williamson17:33

       Dave, yeah, every day Dave's pissing himself

9. 17:35 – 19:35

   Common subconscious patterns

   1. CWChris Williamson17:35

      at the moment. Um, what are some of the most common patterns or constraints that you encounter in people's subconscious, then? Have you got like, a Top of the Pops top three or something?

   2. PCPeter Crone17:45

      Top 10. I got... It's my book. You know, I've delineated what I consider to be 10 primal ones. So obviously for, you know, self-evident reasons, I'm not gonna list them all here 'cause it's part of my book. But the one that I just gave is probably the most common, which is not feeling like we're enough. And that can manifest in different ways. Like, "I'm not pretty enough, smart enough, rich enough, you know, thin enough." Um, whatever it is, sexual enough. Like that whole domain of not enoughness is itself...... um, a dis-ease that human beings, uh, all can relate to and many people are defined by, so helping people to transcend that and see that as just a piece of code, it's not a truth, it's something that you've got evidence for based on the way that you were brought up, as I said, using Dave and his older sibling, it could be somebody who wasn't picked for the footy team or, you know, the hockey team, or, you know, or the first time they went on a- a date and they really felt like they were attracted to someone, they never heard back from them and they've used that external evidence, uh, as a means of triggering an internal dialogue that I would assert they actually arrived with. So it wasn't like something happened that gave it to you, it was the external stimulus was what turned it on, very much like epigenetics, and that's just in the emotional realm. So then you'll spend the rest of your life, for the most part, trying to compensate for that; people pleasing, perfectionism, you've got to look sexy, you've got to be wealthy, you've got to be thinner, as a way of offsetting the deep-seated belief that you're not enough in the first place. Which only continues to perpetuate it. That's the madness, right? Of these, uh, these compensatory patterns that people use, uh, all they're doing is actually sustaining the very f- deep-seated fear that we're trying to mitigate. Whoops. And then you wonder why people need to drink so much. (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson19:30

      Yeah, well it's a self-fulfilling prophecy in that way, right?

   4. PCPeter Crone19:33

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson19:33

      That every time that you do

10. 19:35 – 21:15

    Unexamined challenges

    1. CWChris Williamson19:35

       it, even if you fix the problem, even if you spend enough time to do the thing, to make the thing happen or not happen, that you were afraid of happening or not happening. Even if you do that-

    2. PCPeter Crone19:47

       Yeah.

    3. CWChris Williamson19:47

       ... it's still reinforcing, "I am the sort of person who..." needs to do this in order to make this situation feel good, to feel loved, to feel sufficient.

    4. PCPeter Crone19:58

       Yeah.

    5. CWChris Williamson19:58

       Yeah, it's, um ... It doesn't surprise me that people get into adulthood and they have these unex- unexamined challenges in life.

    6. PCPeter Crone20:08

       Yeah. I mean, there's just the mirror- fill in the blank of, like, what do people deal with, right? Like that whole umbrella of, what we could call, suffering. I mean the- the usual suspects are like anxiety, depression, sleeplessness, addiction, relationship woes, uh, lack of finances. Disease is a huge one, you know, the body starts to manifest over time the chronic internal sense of absence of ease, um, that's going to affect some sort of tissue system over time. Um, it's just what people call life nowadays, you know, and it becomes normalized. In my world, it's not normal at all. It's very unnatural actually, uh, for people to be suffering. So pain is one thing, you know, if you- you fall over, you scuff your knee, you put- you know, kick the coffee table accidentally with your toe or maybe not accidentally, you know, you're pissed. (laughs) That's gonna hurt, that's pain, but suffering as it relates to the psychological and emotional state of a human being to me, is optional once you understand these deep-seated patterns. And that makes for a very different experience of being human and would certainly make for a very different world than the one that we currently live in.

11. 21:15 – 25:15

    Step into the narrative loop

    1. PCPeter Crone21:15

    2. CWChris Williamson21:15

       How do people step into the narrative loop of how they see themselves?

    3. PCPeter Crone21:19

       (laughs)

    4. CWChris Williamson21:19

       It's just this recursive echo chamber of your own thoughts in your own head. Duh-dur, duh-dur, duh-dur, duh-dur, duh-dur, this problem, this problem, this problem.

    5. PCPeter Crone21:27

       Mm-hmm.

    6. CWChris Williamson21:27

       How do people start a break point in that?

    7. PCPeter Crone21:31

       Listen. Learn to listen. You know, if you're with one of your mates, girlfriend, you know, family member, your sister, your mum, it doesn't really matter if someone's struggling with something, as an observer of their experience, we tend to come naturally, hopefully, from a position of love and compassion and we want to make a difference. We want to, "Oh, it's okay." A mother, certainly, with a child who's fallen over, they're crying or they're upset because they didn't get picked for a team or they're hungry and they're cranky, we hold space for that person naturally. If your friend's struggling with something, they've gone through a breakup, you're like, "Ah, it's all right, mate." You know, "Don't worry, we'll figure it out." Like the energy that we bring to that is love and compassion. There's a holding. When it comes to our own dialogue we tend to berate the shit out of ourselves. (laughs) So listen is the first place. You know, um, I did a- a live during the whole COVID thing and the- the girl who was hosting it said, you know, "Gosh, I've got to- I've got to talk better to myself." You know, to her point about her own sort of negative dialogue. I said, "Actually, what about if you just listen better to yourself?" And it really was like in that moment you could see that she really was like, "Oh my gosh, I never looked at it like that." So if we understand, like we were saying earlier, these things are habituated, meaning your conditioning from your subconscious is just arising by virtue of the container that you're in, through no fault of your own, then that dialogue is- it's already there. It's too late, right? Like it's already arisen and the conversations that we have in our head, that's a- a byproduct of whatever construct you're still stuck in. So it's really about listening to, "Wow, like I really am quite awful to myself." (laughs) "The- the conversation that's going on in my head is really quite derogatory." And if it was a friend of yours speaking that way about themselves, your tendency would be to like, "Mate, mate, no, y- y- you, that's not you. You know, you're amazing." And you know, unless it was the guy who cut you in traffic and then you're like, "No, you are a dick." (laughs)

    8. CWChris Williamson23:40

       You are a dick, yeah, 100%.

    9. PCPeter Crone23:42

       Um, so having more love and compassion for self but through the facility of listening to the thoughts versus being the thoughts. The- the trouble is with an individual is that the thoughts arise in our head, they're so close to us. Listening to somebody else is this illusion of space, right? It's much easier to feel like removed from their situation or their narrative, but when we're sitting in the, you know, car by ourselves, or in the shower, just about to go to bed, where- wherever we are usually by ourselves is this dialogue and it feels like that's me. That's- that- that voice in my head, that's who I am.And it's really not, it's inherited. It's something that you've learned over time, uh, to just believe to be the self and said of like, what if that was like this, you know, mildly annoying roommate you have? (laughs) And if you could look at it through that lens and go, "Well, what was my roommates talking about now?" Um, and that's, that would at least start to spark the, uh, listening facility, faculty of a human to s- then you can investigate the validity of what you're listening to. Is it really true? Like, one of the very, sort of quick tips I tell people is put a question mark at the end of everything that you hear in your head. Just put a question mark. "You're a fucking idiot. You're a fucking idiot."

    10. CWChris Williamson25:04

        (laughs)

    11. PCPeter Crone25:05

        I mean, it still might be a yes, but (laughs) I don't know. But at least you get to have a conversation about it versus it's just a bold statement, you know.

    12. CWChris Williamson25:14

        I really

12. 25:15 – 29:55

    You are not your thoughts

    1. CWChris Williamson25:15

       like the idea of trying to create that space, trying to create that third party perspective between you and your thoughts. It took me... Man, I, I must have first heard "you are not your thoughts" on some pithy Instagram quote, probably like-

    2. PCPeter Crone25:28

       Right.

    3. CWChris Williamson25:28

       ... eight years ago in between a funny cat video and a booty picture. And, um-

    4. PCPeter Crone25:32

       Right. (laughs)

    5. CWChris Williamson25:33

       ... it's taken me, it's honestly took me until a couple of years ago to really, really genuinely understand and truly inculcate that I'm not, that the voice that appears in your head is-

    6. PCPeter Crone25:44

       Yeah.

    7. CWChris Williamson25:44

       ... no more you than the voice that you, Peter Crone, are giving to everybody that's listening right now.

    8. PCPeter Crone25:49

       Right.

    9. CWChris Williamson25:49

       It's not. It's just this, this bizarre conglomeration of things that are happening now and things that have happened in the past, and it just pops up. And you're totally right, you should question absolutely everything that your mind says.

    10. PCPeter Crone26:06

        Mm-hmm.

    11. CWChris Williamson26:06

        Because you don't know what you're going to think next.

    12. PCPeter Crone26:10

        Right.

    13. CWChris Williamson26:10

        I don't know what I'm going to think next any more than I know what you're going to say next.

    14. PCPeter Crone26:14

        Mm-hmm.

    15. CWChris Williamson26:15

        And when you genuinely realize that, you think, "Oh God." Well, I mean, that mean- that means maybe that I shouldn't have quite so much faith and trust in the words that appear in my own sort of mental landscape.

    16. PCPeter Crone26:27

        Mm-hmm. Yeah. That then, to me, what that pulls for and what it elicits is the, the ability to observe. Like it's almost like a fascination, a curiosity that that inspires, right? Versus it's a factual gospel dialogue that I'm hearing in my head and it's like, "Well, I'm kind of curious to see what crap I'm gonna come up with today in there." (laughs)

    17. CWChris Williamson26:50

        (laughs)

    18. PCPeter Crone26:52

        Let's see what, like, (clears throat) garbage narrative like I can, um, you know, pay attention today and see if I can transcend that, right? I mean, most people buy straight into it, and that defines their emotional state. And then, you know, if their mind is telling them like, "You're useless. What's the point?" Then there's gonna be an apathy and a resignation and a lethargy in their body, and then they're not gonna take action. Versus like, you know, I had a beautiful group of seven women at my house as a sort of a retreat event, and you know, one of the women there, they're all well-to-do, they've got resources, they're educated, they're smart, um, was really caught in this world of playing the second fiddle. You know, like for her, she was just not that special. But there's no, there's no evidence for that, like in reality, other than whatever she would attribute to that narrative, right? Like, "Oh well, because of this and because of that." Like she's using circumstantial evidence to confirm a narrative that is completely debilitating for her. And I said, "Well, what if I told you, you were the most important person on the planet?" And I mean, you look at her eyes like, (laughs) you know, just the idea of stepping into that arena, that conversation, no, no more true than the one that she's not very special, but boy does it give a entirely different experience of herself. Now, to begin with, she said, "God, that'd be so uncomfortable." But it's only uncomfortable relative to (laughs) what you've become accustomed to, which is that you (laughs) , you know, no one gives a shit about you. (laughs)

    19. CWChris Williamson28:21

        Yeah. Do you want the familiar, the familiar hateful discomfort of self-loathing, or do you want the new scary discomfort of being the person in the center of the stage?

    20. PCPeter Crone28:30

        Yeah. And, and for her, I was using that, it's not that everybody needs to be center stage, but like to use it purely as a, a point of comparison, if you were the most important person on the planet, like literally, like that's a statement of fact, not like, I'm just having fun. Like, how would you feel? And like you could see the trepidation, but the mild excitement. And for her it was sort of around the arena of relationships. Like, you know, for her to be not that special, and then she wondered why she's single. It's like, "Well, hello." (laughs) You know? It's like it's simple physics, right? But if you're the most important person on the planet, you're gonna have suitors left, right, and center just by virtue of the shift in your own frequency and your own energy, which are g- gonna give rise to the people that you attract. Not because you're gonna be walking around from a position of arrogance. Like she would never get there 'cause she was too familiar in her own sense of inadequacy. But just to be able to nudge the needle into a place of some semblance of self-worth, that would then be the precursor to men being attracted to her versus like energetically, yeah, just the way she just holds herself, her body, you know? It's a little bit like she's cowering and the way she dresses and, you know, all of that is an extension of our own dialogue. So you change the narrative, that is physics. You now have a different vibratory state. You function from a different frequency, you think differently, you feel differently, you act differently, and consequently you get different results. I mean, it just, it works every time. (laughs)

    21. CWChris Williamson29:53

        It's-

    22. PCPeter Crone29:53

        So-

    23. CWChris Williamson29:53

        ... the, the way that we interpret as well,

13. 29:55 – 36:35

    Impostor syndrome

    1. CWChris Williamson29:55

       right? Because the same situation could be experienced by two different people, and the frame that they go into that experience with, they could have completing, completely differing results.

    2. PCPeter Crone30:05

       Mm-hmm.

    3. CWChris Williamson30:05

       Someone could not get the job in a particular job application and come out of it and think, "Do you know what it is? I did everything there. I nailed it. I absolutely nailed it. Gave it my all. It just wasn't my day." That-

    4. PCPeter Crone30:16

       Mm-hmm.

    5. CWChris Williamson30:16

       ... different version of a different person would come in and say, "Ugh, you know, I, it was because I wasn't enough of this, or I should have done more of that," or whatever it might be. So we-

    6. PCPeter Crone30:25

       Right.

    7. CWChris Williamson30:25

       ... actively seek for...... evidence in the external world that proves to us the predetermined narrative that we decided to go into the exchange with in any case. So it's almost like ... O- o- it's unfalsifiable, in a way.

    8. PCPeter Crone30:38

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    9. CWChris Williamson30:38

       Any contrary evidence to what it was that we wanted or we predicted was going to happen, is going to be discounted because that's imposter syndrome, right? That's when you say-

    10. PCPeter Crone30:47

        Yeah.

    11. CWChris Williamson30:47

        ... "Oh, well, no. No, no, no. That, that was just a fluke," or, "That doesn't always happen to me," or whatever excuse-

    12. PCPeter Crone30:53

        It doesn't need to be true, or ...

    13. CWChris Williamson30:53

        ... you want to give it. Yeah, precisely.

    14. PCPeter Crone30:54

        Yeah.

    15. CWChris Williamson30:55

        Um, and all of the stuff, even if it isn't true, or even if it's super rare, all of the other stuff that's in there that does confirm the narrative we went into it with, we think, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the, that's the true me. That's, that, that-"

    16. PCPeter Crone31:06

        Mm-hmm.

    17. CWChris Williamson31:06

        "... always happens." No, you always see that happening.

    18. PCPeter Crone31:10

        Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    19. CWChris Williamson31:10

        Not, that always happens. You always manage to find it, the needle in the haystack.

    20. PCPeter Crone31:15

        Yeah. Yeah. Because the number one priority and prerogative of any ego is to be right. (laughs) I mean, having done this for 20 years, it was just fascinating to me to consistently see that pattern of like, wow, people would rather be right about their inadequacies, insecurities, and their limitations than actually create the life that they apparently espouse about wanting to have. And when you see the madness of that, you really see one of the fundamental flaws of the ego, which is self-righteousness, right? And this is what we see in relationships, like what is one of the ways that people garner any sense of self-value is, "Well, if I can make somebody else wrong, whether it's my wife, my, my, my kids, my, my parents, you know, my neighbors, for the fucking fact that they haven't trimmed the hedge yet." Or, you know, whatever it is, you'll find anything to make someone else wrong, which is really another means of trying to garner, desperately, some sense of self-value. We just do it through a narrative which itself, by de- definition, is, is limited. So people get to be right consistently. I'm like, "Wow, wow, that's, you know ... Congratulations, you're right about your insecurities and your inadequacies."

    21. CWChris Williamson32:21

        (laughs)

    22. PCPeter Crone32:21

        That's so, so fucking inspiring, you know?

    23. CWChris Williamson32:24

        (laughs) You have become-

    24. PCPeter Crone32:26

        And it happens to me with-

    25. CWChris Williamson32:26

        ... the architect of your own misery.

    26. PCPeter Crone32:29

        Yeah. Uh, it's the old expression, you probably saw it between your cat videos and your booties, in one of another pithy quote of yours. But it says, you know, you fi- ... fight for your limitations and they're yours, right? So I remember this with one of my professional golfers, like, I actually ended up caddying for him. Love the guy. We had a lot of success. We tripled his winnings in two years, but he hadn't actually got the win. But tripling somebody's business, you know, in two years is significant, you know, whatever it is. Like for him, an average million a year as a player, and we got to 3.5 in our second year. You know, that's a, that's a good return, right? But, you know, I remember this one green we stepped on, he'd hit it in two, so it was a par four. Like, he's, uh, quote-unquote, you know, "playing within the parameter of what you're trying to accomplish." And anyone who knows golf, you want to make the putt and make a birdie. I handed him the putter and he said, "Watch me three-putt this." (laughs) So now, that's not conscious, that's him being scared, 'cause it was a bit of a tricky putt. But it's his way of justifying and offsetting any potential, you know, failure. But at least even if he did three-putt it, where he garners a little bit of sort of self-pride is, "I was right about it," even though, like, that's shitty on a scorecard. It's not gonna help us in the (laughs) tournament. But that's how subtle, yet how destructive the ego can be. So, yeah.

    27. CWChris Williamson33:47

        It's a, it's a protective, it's like a prophylactic mechanism, isn't it?

    28. PCPeter Crone33:51

        Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. "Get to be right. Well done. Congratulations. I'm so inspired."

    29. CWChris Williamson33:56

        (laughs)

    30. PCPeter Crone33:56

        "You're never gonna meet anyone, no one loves you, and you're a dog shit at whatever your career is." Like, yeah. Wow. How, how do I sign up for that program? (laughs) Well, you don't need me either, am I the architect? I mean, clearly you're just like, you know ... How you don't have millions of people following your programs, I don't know. (laughs)
14. 36:35 – 40:55

    The universe is change

    1. PCPeter Crone36:35

       limitations."

    2. CWChris Williamson36:36

       Well, that's the Marcus Aurelius and also the Shakespeare line, right? Which is, "The universe is change, and life itself is but what you deem it."

    3. PCPeter Crone36:45

       Mm-hmm.

    4. CWChris Williamson36:45

       Then two people can see the same situation in completely different ways, which means that you can also see the situation in a completely different way. But-

    5. PCPeter Crone36:52

       Yeah.

    6. CWChris Williamson36:52

       ... there are... What I like that you've brought up there is that it's, it's not as if changing your subconscious is going to make all of the situations, the outcomes of the situations necessarily change. You're not going to be better at yoga by having a better subconscious that tells you about how not shit you are at yoga.

    7. PCPeter Crone37:10

       Mm-hmm.

    8. CWChris Williamson37:11

       But what you are going to be able to do is see these things as an opportunity. You said, "It's opportunity or it's going to be easy." And-

    9. PCPeter Crone37:17

       Mm-hmm.

    10. CWChris Williamson37:17

        ... that's nice, that it's not just-

    11. PCPeter Crone37:19

        Yeah.

    12. CWChris Williamson37:19

        ... about... It's not outcome-focused.

    13. PCPeter Crone37:22

        Right.

    14. CWChris Williamson37:22

        It's not necessarily about whether or not you do, do or don't. It's about how you interpret doing or don't-ing.

    15. PCPeter Crone37:28

        Yeah, and there's a little subtlety in there. Like, you know, I also, like you, with, you know, the Shakespeare quote, he said, "Nothing is either good nor bad, only thinking makes it so," right? So again, that points to the fact that life is the way it is, but then it's our own interpretation that's gonna give our subjective perspective. But then I would also say that there is some power in shifting the subconscious that would actually elicit a different response without the practice of that. So, to continue the yoga theme, it would require a proper case study, but for those people who are internally constrained, they went to a yoga class and we could, you know, as best as possible, quantify their ability to do yoga. And then if we did shift their subconscious, it's my assertion that actually, they would be better at yoga without having practice opening up, because there would be a softness about them, there would be a release. So that's the power. I, I've seen it time and time again with my athletes, like so many beautiful stories where, without shifting anything to do with their technique or their profession, but having a different mindset, they got an instantaneous different result. Like, one of my m- baseball players hadn't had a home run for almost the span of an entire season. It was over two seasons, but almost the length of a six-month season. And he wasn't one of the big hitters who'd traditionally get 30 home runs a year or whatever, and he wasn't a small guy who might get five or six home runs, but he was sort of middle of the pack, 15, 16 home runs. And he hadn't had any for about five and a half months, again, over two seasons, and it was starting to really, you know, piss him off. And he's getting paid millions of dollars, so there's a certain degree of pride. He's also getting teased by his teammates 'cause that's what, you know, guys do in a clubhouse or a locker room. And so literally, he was sitting in the parking lot of the baseball stadium about two or three hours before the game, calls me. I was new to the sport. I mean, I'm obviously a Brit. Like, (laughs) where do we play baseball? You know, it's rounders, you know? (laughs) And so... Which I don't know if that even exists anymore, but anyway, um, so I'm talking to this guy, and I took him to a place of complete acceptance, like profound acceptance, not only of the fact that he hadn't, which is reconciliation of his history, 'cause we're always fighting our past, like we haven't been able to digest something or accept something, and then that gets superimposed to a, to a future where we're worried that that's gonna be perpetuated, right? That's basically how the brain is functioning from a place of pre- prediction and protection. We're using our history to predict something, and then we're trying to protect ourselves from it, not realizing that what we're actually doing is perpetuating the history that we've yet to actually reconcile. That was a lot there. If people want to rewind that and really get that, there'll be a lot of value. Anyway, he, you know, suddenly realized that, "Okay, it's what's happened." And I said, "If you never hit a home run ever again in your life, could you be okay? It's not what we want. It's certainly not what I'm here to help you with. But emotionally, could you go, 'You know what? Okay, that could well be the case. Unlikely, but I'm gonna find profound acceptance.'" We got him to a place where he was genuinely okay with it. That night, second, uh, at bat, we were playing St. Louis Cardinals, boom, home run, right? And, and I mean, the texts that I got from him after the game is just like, you know, it's like worth the price of entry in my work. It's just so fun and gratifying to see the instantaneous results that people get when there's a shift in mindset. So, um, you know, I love, I love real-life stories like that where you can see that when you look through different eyes, you will immediately see a different world, uh, versus trying to change the world that you don't like but keeping the same eyes. (laughs) That's tiring. (laughs)

    16. CWChris Williamson40:54

        It's very rare

15. 40:55 – 46:52

    Painful but placid

    1. CWChris Williamson40:55

       that you're ever going to encounter any sort of situation in which being more tense or more uptight or adding-

    2. PCPeter Crone41:02

       Mm-hmm.

    3. CWChris Williamson41:02

       ... pressure to it is going to help.

    4. PCPeter Crone41:05

       Mm-hmm.

    5. CWChris Williamson41:06

       Almost never, you know? And, and it's easy-

    6. PCPeter Crone41:08

       No.

    7. CWChris Williamson41:08

       It's easy to say it in, in yoga where the whole point of the practice is to be relaxed and to breathe into the, the places, and it's quite slow usually and quite sort of-

    8. PCPeter Crone41:18

       Yeah.

    9. CWChris Williamson41:18

       ... placid. Painful but placid. But-

    10. PCPeter Crone41:21

        Yeah.

    11. CWChris Williamson41:22

        ... even if you take MMA-

    12. PCPeter Crone41:24

        Yeah.

    13. CWChris Williamson41:24

        ... the fighters don't want to go in there being, being tense-

    14. PCPeter Crone41:27

        Right.

    15. CWChris Williamson41:27

        ... and having applied more pressure to themselves than they need. They need to be alert-

    16. PCPeter Crone41:30

        Mm-hmm.

    17. CWChris Williamson41:30

        ... but they want their training to take over. They don't want their front brain to be too active. They just want to be seeing and feeling and moving. And, um-

    18. PCPeter Crone41:37

        Mm-hmm.

    19. CWChris Williamson41:38

        Yeah, the same in baseball as well.

    20. PCPeter Crone41:40

        Yeah. Any sport, uh, for sure, but we could say just in life generally, you know? I don't know if painful and placid is like what you have on your Bumble profile or how girlfriends describe you. (laughs)

    21. CWChris Williamson41:51

        Precisely, precisely what I aim for, yeah, it is. He's painful but placid.

    22. PCPeter Crone41:56

        Right. Just what every girl's looking for. (laughs) Um, yeah, it's, um, that, you know, physiologically is a reflection of self-protection, isn't it? Like, you know, if, if someone was to come running at you, there's an instantaneous primal reaction to brace for impact, right? That's the tension, and that's the holding. So if we look at that energy psychologically, what's happening is when positioned in, when we're in a position of any kind of self-preservation, it may not be overtly obvious, but people internally certainly are in a state of tension. There's a con- there's a perceived threat, and that's how most people live their lives, is, is this perceived threat. The boss leaves you a message or...... you gotta- you know, you're late coming home from the golf course and you know last time you did that, that the girlfriend or the wife got upset. And you know, you're in your car, it's fancy, it's got nice leather and however many cup holders and, you know, whatever (laughs) convinced you to buy the damn thing. And now you're like, "Oh, wow, I'm gonna get into, quote unquote, 'trouble'," which would be a re- remnant of when I was a child and I was told off by my dad. And, you know, it's the same emotional response, but something that's being created over a future event that hasn't happened yet, and that- that whole cycle is how most people live their lives, you know? It's just like these continual perceived threats, um, and it's exhausting. And no wonder the world, especially here in the States, is so medicated. Or self-medicated. (laughs)

    23. CWChris Williamson43:20

        So let's say, let's say that someone... Yeah, self-medicated. Let's say that someone is attuned to this.

    24. PCPeter Crone43:26

        Mm-hmm.

    25. CWChris Williamson43:26

        People that are listening, they- I'm blown away constantly by just how insightful the audience that listens to this show are. I swear that they, they inhabit a different part of the internet to the part that I usually see on Twitter, because the comments section of-

    26. PCPeter Crone43:38

        Cats and Pooties. (laughs)

    27. CWChris Williamson43:38

        Yeah. Well, just the comments section of my videos appear nothing like the ones that I see anywhere else on YouTube, which is awesome.

    28. PCPeter Crone43:44

        Yeah.

    29. CWChris Williamson43:44

        So let's say that, as there probably is, is people that are listening who are mindful. They've got that insight into-

    30. PCPeter Crone43:50

        Yeah.
16. 46:52 – 48:30

    Who would I be without concerns

    1. PCPeter Crone46:52

    2. CWChris Williamson46:52

       You encourage people to ask the question, "Who would I be without all of my concerns?"

    3. PCPeter Crone46:57

       Yeah.

    4. CWChris Williamson46:57

       And I really, really love that. Can you explain why it's an important question?

    5. PCPeter Crone47:02

       Yeah. "Who would you be in the absence of your concerns?" is really an invitation to look at what becomes available once we step out of the constraints, in this case, of what we've been talking about, the subconscious. And it really appeals to what I would assert is our innate inherent quality of being a free being, an unlimited, a boundless. This is why we watch movies like Limitless with Bradley Cooper or, um, Lucy, I think it was, with Scarlett Johansson. You know, wherever there's this sort of celluloid version of superhumans. And even, like, whole, like, you know, superhero movies that we all, like, love and have seen, um, they appeal to a bigger aspect of what it means to be human. Like, what is my potential? And so, that question certainly gets a lot of attention, and it really is inspiring for people to go, "Wow, gosh," like, "Who would I be in the absence of my concerns?" It's really just appealing to and triggering what I would assert is actually our true nature to come forward. You know, would the real Chris step forward, not the Chris that is, you know, thinking that, "Oh, well, because of this and what my dad said, and this, br- you know, this job didn't work out, that I'm... You know, I'm an okay guy, but I'm kind of like, you know... I'm not doing as well as I could." Or, that constraint, that limitation, is, uh, direct opposition to what I would assert is your abundant nature. So the question really just helps to, you know, appeal to that deeper sense of true boundlessness.

17. 48:30 – 51:44

    Our genetic predisposition

    1. PCPeter Crone48:30

    2. CWChris Williamson48:30

       Isn't it bizarre that it feels like everything that is in our subconscious that's part of the source code of who we are is compelling us to be less than we could be?... if you think about what our genetic predisposition is, even in terms of our evolution-

    3. PCPeter Crone48:45

       (clears throat)

    4. CWChris Williamson48:45

       ... we're wired towards unsatisfactoriness. We are wired towards anxiety and threat response and identification.

    5. PCPeter Crone48:53

       Mm-hmm.

    6. CWChris Williamson48:54

       And then even if you say, "Okay, so it's not, it's not technically a blank slate," right? You've got, you've got things that are there that are a part of you by virtue of being the species that you are.

    7. PCPeter Crone49:03

       Yeah.

    8. CWChris Williamson49:03

       And then you arrive in this world, and you spend the first decade and a half to two decades to, for some people, three or four decades, without really starting to question the things that you've accumulated along the way. The people that brought you up-

    9. PCPeter Crone49:17

       Mm-hmm.

    10. CWChris Williamson49:17

        ... the interactions you had during formative years, and all the traumas you went through, and all the successes that you went through, and what they told you about who you are.

    11. PCPeter Crone49:24

        Yeah.

    12. CWChris Williamson49:24

        And then you get to this point where you think, "Right, it's time, it's time for me to kind of open up the hood of this vehicle and, and have a, like, a little bit of a look underneath."

    13. PCPeter Crone49:34

        Mm-hmm.

    14. CWChris Williamson49:34

        And man, it is, it's a wonder to me that people find any degree of enlightenment.

    15. PCPeter Crone49:40

        Yeah.

    16. CWChris Williamson49:41

        Because there's so much (laughs) conspiring to make life challenging.

    17. PCPeter Crone49:45

        Yeah. Uh, uh, no, it is. And, um, by taking a look under the hood, I'm assuming at that point in your life, like what you're talking about, people get plastic surgery. So (laughs)

    18. CWChris Williamson49:53

        (laughs) No. No. Although you are in, you are in LA, so I guess that that might be the first place-

    19. PCPeter Crone49:58

        (laughs)

    20. CWChris Williamson49:58

        ... that your mind goes to for a reason.

    21. PCPeter Crone50:00

        (laughs) No, I'm just thinking of all the midlife crisises and the stupid things that humans do. Like, no judgment, but like, that would not necessarily happen if, to your point, they did discover what was really going on underneath the hood of like, "Wow, I spent four decades thinking that I'm useless or I'm worthless." Um, yes, it is ... But I would assert, you know, that's the beauty of this paradigm of why we're here as human beings, you know? Um, that is the mechanism by which we get to evolve and to discover our true natures, that we need the resistance of perceived constraint. Um, it's, uh, that's the game that we're here to play, is you arrive with your bucket of fears, life will present you with the circumstances to trigger them, and then, uh, the winner, so to speak, or success, is the person who gets beyond them. Um, and that's a different way of looking at the arc of what it means to be human. I've got many clients who've got more money than time. I've worked with, you know, a couple of dozen billionaires over the years, and that doesn't mean that they are, by any stretch of the imagination, the most successful people I've ever met. They could be the most, you know, hostile, uh, angry, you know, detached, lonely, isolated, depressed, anxious, um, as well as anybody else. And so it's not to be found in this sort of external material trappings. Success to me is the degree of which you've discovered true inner peace and freedom. So it changes the game. So yes, it is, at one level, bonkers, and it's like, "Well, what the hell?" You know, "What are we all doing here?" And all the questions that people eventually ask, as you said, oftentimes in their third or fourth decade on the planet. But it's like, well, to me it's like you're here to, you know, transcend constraint, discover freedom, and then inspire others to do the same. That's the game that I play.

18. 51:44 – 53:41

    Who am I

    1. PCPeter Crone51:44

    2. CWChris Williamson51:44

       What other questions have you got? I really like, "Who would I be in the absence of my concerns?" Is there anything else that people can use to meditate on for the next couple of days?

    3. PCPeter Crone51:54

       I mean, the traditional one from Mura- Ramana Maharshi, you know, one of my quote-unquote, "inspirations." He was a traditional Indian guru who would have, you know, Satsang, like in his ashram. People would come and have these dialogues and questions. He was renowned for the question, "Who am I?" Very simple, "Who am I?" And the immediate response of most people would be like, "Well, um, I'm Chris," you know? It's like, you know, (laughs) "I'm 30, whatever years old, and uh," but like, but the, if you go a little beyond that, like, "Okay, really?" Like, "Were you born Chris or was that given to you?" You know what I mean? It's like you come out the womb, it's like, "Hey, what's going on everyone? I'm Chris. Nice to meet ya." Like, "Can I get, like, some milk or something from someone's booby?" You know? (laughs) It's like, no, I mean, we, we had no quote-unquote, "labels," right? We're a being, we're sentient, we sleep, we eat, we poop. Like, you know, there's the process of the organism. But the persona has yet to be established. And so you look at something like nationality, religion. Like that baby, the babies that are being righ- born right now around the planet, they have no clue about being Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu. Like that doesn't, it doesn't mean anything, you know? So these are the things that get accumulated over time. So if we can start to question, "Who am I beyond the labels that I've accumulated over time?" Without judgment of the labels, but it just really opens up to a much more unified perspective of being human. It would certainly would mitigate all of the nonsense that we see around religious wars and racism and all of that crap. You know, that's just based in pure ignorance and the fact that people are attached to their labels and they want to make other people wrong for their labels. It's like, really? Like that's, that's how intelligent (laughs) this species is? I mean, we're not even close to an advanced society, (laughs) you know? It's like, it's just complete nonsense. So,

19. 53:41 – 56:19

    Emotionality

    1. PCPeter Crone53:41

       other people-

    2. CWChris Williamson53:42

       Dude, I've, uh ... I- I- I've thought so much about how, how challenging it would be for any other civilization that wants to become space-faring or colonize the galaxy.

    3. PCPeter Crone53:52

       Mm-hmm.

    4. CWChris Williamson53:52

       We don't know much about what aliens could look like, right? We don't know whether they're silicon-based or carbon-based. We don't know whether they exist underwater or, uh, anything.

    5. PCPeter Crone54:02

       Yeah.

    6. CWChris Williamson54:02

       One of the things that I can almost guarantee you about any other extraterrestrials is that their civilization could not be much more emotionally charged or an equivalent than ours.

    7. PCPeter Crone54:15

       Right.

    8. CWChris Williamson54:15

       If you turned the emotional set point of this species up by another 10% to 15% or something, nothing's getting done.

    9. PCPeter Crone54:27

       Yeah.

    10. CWChris Williamson54:27

        Absolutely nothing's getting done.

    11. PCPeter Crone54:29

        Right.

    12. CWChris Williamson54:29

        When you think about that, I, I genuinely believe that it's true. When you think about that, you're, "Oh my God, we are at cl- close to terminal velocity for emotionality-"

    13. PCPeter Crone54:39

        Mm-hmm.

    14. CWChris Williamson54:39

        "... of a, of an advanced species." That's mental to realize that.

    15. PCPeter Crone54:44

        Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, I mean, it's something that I sit and vacillate a lot just by virtue of the fact that's how my mind thinks. But I look at society today, and it's, you know, excuse my friends, but it's fucking embarrassing, you know, as a species. Like, the fact that somebody is gonna discern that because of someone's skin color that they are in some way a lesser person, whatever their color is, it's Black, it's you're Asian, you're Hispanic. Like, like, it's just, it just speaks to the absolute pure ignorance of the human being. And yet, then we have the audacity to think that we're the smartest on the food chain. It's like, no, you, you're literally killing the planet, your own home. Like, I mean, look at our species. We harm ourselves w- w- we talked about the dialogue and then certainly like the dog shit food that people put in their systems, the alcohols, the drugs. Like, that's literally poison so you're harming yourself. You harm others, whether it be through verbal or, you know, critical, uh, derogatory, and then even physical abuse and harm. And then we harm our planet r- we got the trifactor of stupidity. (laughs) Right? And then you wonder why you can't fucking have a good relationship. It's like, are you kidding me? You're a moron. (laughs)

    16. CWChris Williamson56:01

        It is.

    17. PCPeter Crone56:01

        And I say that with love and compassion.

    18. CWChris Williamson56:03

        It's-

    19. PCPeter Crone56:03

        You know? And again, I really want to emphasize 'cause it seems like, "Oh, well Peter Crone, like he's a..." No, I, I'm saying it as objectively. I include my, myself in the gamut at one point. Like, I feel like I'm doing a good job of like, you know, slipping out of the stupidity at least. But, you know,

20. 56:19 – 59:24

    We use 10 of our brain

    1. PCPeter Crone56:19

       like, I, I, I love the old quote of like, "Oh, as human beings we only use 10% of our brain," right? Or whatever it is. And like how accurate can even that statement be if you're only using 10% of your brain? (laughs) Like, if you're only using 10% of your brain then any of the assumptions that arise out of that limited perspective is probably gonna be pretty inaccurate, right? So, (laughs) you just see the stupidity of the vicious cycle by which we, I was gonna say function as human beings, but it's really just, you know, survive. We don't really function. So, anyway, you know, that's, you know, to your alien point, I always find it funny as well that like if aliens were to become and apparently that's going to be the next narrative in this whole COVID bullshit and this new world order or whatever's going on. Like, now let's start to get them worried about aliens and prepro- uh, propagate the fear underlying that, you know, these, these, the madness that's going on is 'cause they're, you know, triggering all of the fear responses. So, even in our response to a, an alien invasion, it would be we would because by virtue of the fact that we're designed to protect ourselves, it would be a perceived threat, right? It's like, "Oh, they're bad. Let's kill them." And you'd see the movie Arrival, right? Like, here's this intelligent species (laughs) who will actually try to gift you a different way of communicating that gives you an insight into the future. Like, that's obviously the movie script. But hang on a minute, if like these people have ships and they're around us and they can fly around and, and go through time and they're in different plan- Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a pretty confident assertion, they're way smarter than we are. (laughs) So then h- how about we just listen instead of just trying to kill them? (laughs) Right? But no, it shows again, like the guy that goes to yoga, he's tight. Okay, there's something that you're not familiar with and it creates, you know, the, the feared response which is showing that you're scared. It's a threat, right? So again, it just shows that as a species, we're functioning in fear and that's why for the most part everything is so deleterious in our lives, on our planet and in our relationships. So anyway, t- (laughs) I got off my soapbox there for a minute 'cause I'm like, "Holy shit, like, we are so un-evolved." It's like we are so immature it's ridiculous.

    2. CWChris Williamson58:21

       We're gods but for the wisdom, man. That's it.

    3. PCPeter Crone58:23

       Yeah.

    4. CWChris Williamson58:24

       Gods-

    5. PCPeter Crone58:24

       Yeah.

    6. CWChris Williamson58:24

       ... but just shitty gods as Daniel Schmactenberger said. Well, Peter Crone, ladies and gentlemen.

    7. PCPeter Crone58:28

       Yeah.

    8. CWChris Williamson58:29

       If, uh, people want to check out more of your stuff or keep up-to-date with what you're doing, where should they go?

    9. PCPeter Crone58:34

       Well, I'll be flying around in spaceships with my new buddies who've got the intelligence. (laughs)

    10. CWChris Williamson58:38

        Perfect, perfect.

    11. PCPeter Crone58:39

        Uh, but, but they can find me, uh, the dizzy heights of Instagram, petercroneofficial, uh, and then on my website, petercrone.com. So, pretty simple. And for Facebook users, I think I have Peter Crone Mind Architect.

    12. CWChris Williamson58:50

        I love it.

    13. PCPeter Crone58:51

        I'm... Yeah, I'm not too au fait with all that shit. (laughs)

    14. CWChris Williamson58:55

        Dude, thank you very much for your time today.

    15. PCPeter Crone58:58

        Chris, pleasure to be with you, mate. Really great conversation. I love, uh, I love the way that you look at things, so great to be with you.

    16. CWChris Williamson59:04

        Catch you later on. Thank you very much for tuning in. If you enjoyed that, then press here for a selection of the best clips from the podcast over the last few months. And don't forget to subscribe. It makes me very happy indeed. Peace.

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