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Does The World Need More Fossil Fuels, Not Less? - Alex Epstein

Alex Epstein is an energy theorist, the Founder and President of the Center for Industrial Progress and an author. Fossil fuels are a contentious topic. If you've currently got your hands glued to the surface of a road in England, you may not want any more being used. But what impact does reducing fossil fuel use have on human flourishing in the future, especially in the poorest parts of the world? Expect to learn why all our energy cost so much right now, why 2 billion people get their energy by burning wood and dung, how renewable sources are causing more problems not less, Alex's thoughts on the modern ESG movement, whether fossil fuels will create a climate apocalypse, why China tried to stop Alex from releasing his book and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Get 1 month free on Sendinblue at https://www.sendinblue.com/modernwisdom/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get the Whoop 4.0 for free and get your first month for free at http://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Buy The Moral Case For Fossil Fuels - https://amzn.to/2QyDkeE Follow Alex on Twitter - https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #fossilfuels #climatechange #philosophy - 00:00 Intro 03:25 Why Are Fuel Prices Rising? 10:31 The Modern ESG Movement 18:08 Alex’s Call for More Fossil Fuels 26:02 Bad Energy Policy 36:47 Will More Carbon Dioxide Destroy Earth? 44:40 How Leaders Catastrophise Climate Change 49:01 Common Criticisms of Alex’s Work 53:41 Reactions to Jordan Peterson’s Population Collapse Clip 59:07 What Should We Be Worried About? 1:06:33 Being Against the Mainstream Narrative 1:19:00 Where to Find Alex - Join the Modern Wisdom Community on Locals - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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Jul 4, 20221h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Alex Epstein Argues Humanity Needs More Fossil Fuels, Not Less

  1. Alex Epstein contends that global energy shortages and rising prices are largely caused by deliberate suppression of fossil fuel investment driven by ESG, net-zero policies, and anti-fossil-fuel activism, rather than by market forces alone.
  2. He argues that fossil fuels are uniquely capable of providing low-cost, reliable energy at scale and that billions of people still live in energy poverty, making rapid decarbonization both harmful and morally questionable.
  3. Epstein’s core framework contrasts a “human flourishing” goal (maximizing human well-being) with what he calls an “anti-impact” or quasi-religious environmental ideology that seeks to minimize human impact on nature at any cost.
  4. He claims climate risks and CO2 impacts are systematically exaggerated while the benefits of energy and climate mastery are ignored, pointing to a 98% decline in climate-related disaster deaths as evidence that more energy has made us safer, not more vulnerable.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

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Energy prices are high primarily because of long-term political and financial suppression of fossil fuel supply.

Epstein argues that net-zero agendas, ESG mandates, and anti-fossil-fuel policies discouraged investment in oil, gas, coal, and related infrastructure for over a decade, so when post-pandemic demand rebounded, constrained supply drove prices sharply upward.

Billions still live in severe energy poverty, making rapid fossil fuel elimination harmful.

He notes that around three billion people use less electricity than a typical American fridge, and a third of the world relies on wood and dung for cooking and heating; cutting off fossil fuels without a proven replacement risks worsening poverty, food insecurity, and mortality.

ESG and stakeholder capitalism often undermine shareholder value and energy security.

Epstein claims ESG embeds ideological goals—like mandated net-zero, board quotas, and anti-fossil-fuel norms—into corporate governance, amplified by index-fund giants (BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street) that wield huge proxy voting power, pushing companies into economically damaging commitments.

Solar and wind add cost and depend on reliable backup; they are not on track to replace fossil fuels.

Because wind and solar are intermittent, grids must still maintain nearly 100% backup from controllable sources (fossil, nuclear, hydro), leading to “infrastructure duplication” and higher prices; Epstein highlights that these technologies currently supply ~3% of global energy and rely heavily on mining and conventional power.

Climate risk should be evaluated by weighing both benefits and harms, including human climate mastery.

He argues that discussions fixate on CO2’s warming downsides and ignore its fertilization benefits and the role of abundant energy in irrigation, air conditioning, heating, warning systems, and infrastructure—all of which have contributed to a claimed 98% drop in climate-related deaths over the last century.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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The rate of climate-related disaster deaths is down 98% over the last century.

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We live in an energy-starved world from our perspective… six billion people use a level of energy that you and I would consider unacceptable.

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The idea of net zero is like saying, ‘Let’s have ten holocausts.’

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Our leaders ignore the benefits of fossil fuels and catastrophize the side effects.

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Most people are really poor and from your perspective live in an apocalypse.

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Global energy prices, supply-demand dynamics, and underinvestment in fossil fuelsESG, stakeholder capitalism, and corporate pressure to commit to net-zeroEpstein’s “human flourishing” framework vs. “anti-impact” environmentalismCritique of solar and wind as primary replacements for fossil fuelsCO2, climate change, and the idea of climate “mastery” through energyMalthusian views, population, and human beings as “parasites” vs. “producers”Personal attacks, accusations of being industry-funded, and epistemic resilience

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