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Has Woke Taken Over Everything? - Dr Joanna Williams

Dr Joanna Williams is the Founder of Cieo, associate editor of Spiked and an author. The last few years has seen progressive ideas capture institutions, academics and headlines. But how much has this ideology actually trickled down to making a real impact in the world? Is it just a moral panic about a moral panic or is there something to really be concerned about? Expect to learn why police officers are being told to actively refer to themselves as woke, how 3 month old babies can be racist, why air conditioning is misogynistic, whether the people pushing these narratives actually believe this stuff, what the future of progressive messaging has in store and much more... Sponsors: Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ Get 15% discount on Craftd London’s jewellery at https://bit.ly/cdwisdom (use code MW15) Get 2 weeks free access to Wondrium by going to https://www.wondrium.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Buy How Woke Won - https://amzn.to/38YNu1h Follow Joanna on Twitter - https://twitter.com/jowilliams293 To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #race #woke #gender - 00:00 Intro 00:23 Woke Policing 05:52 What Minorities Really Want 14:36 Origin of ‘Woke’ 20:05 How the Left is Demonised 26:22 The Shift from Class to Identity 36:52 Does the Woke Movement Impact Women’s Rights? 52:06 Adversarial Nature of Current Society 59:28 The Right’s Moral Panic 1:07:04 Is the Panic Justified? 1:12:50 Where to Find Dr Williams - Join the Modern Wisdom Community on Locals - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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Jun 6, 20221h 13mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Joanna Williams Critiques Woke Politics, Identity Culture, And Class Abandonment

  1. Joanna Williams argues that contemporary “woke” politics has shifted the left’s focus from class-based inequality to identity-based grievances around race, gender, and sexuality, often in ways that are authoritarian and counterproductive.
  2. She contends that institutions like the police, schools, universities, and councils are internalizing critical race theory and gender ideology, producing policies (e.g., ‘racist babies’, diversity trainings) that stigmatize ordinary people and hinder practical goals like crime-fighting.
  3. Williams believes that these movements frequently appropriate the hardships of genuinely disadvantaged groups while being led and framed by relatively privileged activists outside those communities.
  4. She and Chris Williamson also discuss how this climate fuels online culture wars, pushes some young people toward extreme reaction, and leaves moderate, good-faith progressives politically homeless and frustrated.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Interrogate how ‘woke’ frameworks define racism and prejudice.

Williams notes the shift from understanding racism as discrimination plus power (embedded in institutions) to seeing it as an innate, inescapable trait within all white people—down to claims that three‑month‑old babies are racist. Before accepting such ideas, ask what definition of racism is being used and what evidence supports it.

Focus policy on behavior and outcomes, not racial quotas.

In policing, she argues that trying to equalize stop-and-search by skin color rather than targeting actual offending hampers crime-fighting and constantly racializes routine work. Effective policy should prioritize reducing crime and harm, regardless of the ethnic breakdown of arrests.

Be wary when ‘lived experience’ is selectively validated.

Williams points out that activists embrace ‘lived experience’ only when it aligns with their narrative; Black or trans people who say they don’t feel systemically oppressed are often dismissed as the ‘wrong kind’ of minority. A consistent approach should treat diverse testimonies within a group as equally valid data, not cherry-pick them.

Recenter class if you want broad, practical social progress.

She argues that focusing on working-class conditions—wages, housing, education—would automatically uplift many ethnic minorities and disadvantaged women. Identity-first politics can obscure material class issues and instead reward already-privileged representatives of those identities.

Recognize ideological capture in institutions and ask who benefits.

From nursery training on ‘racist babies’ to diversity consultancies and HR regimes, Williams suggests asking who is gaining money, status, or control from new anti-racism or gender policies. This can reveal how moral language is leveraged for bureaucratic or commercial advantage.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“Either you think babies are born racist or you don’t. And I definitely don’t.”

Joanna Williams

“To me, the whole kind of debate around transgender is sexism rehabilitated. Critical race theory is racism rehabilitated.”

Joanna Williams

“The number one thing of identity politics is telling people, certain groups, that they’re really at a big disadvantage in life.”

Joanna Williams

“Rehabilitated racism and sexism masquerading as compassion.”

Chris Williamson

“You can’t at the same time say to people, ‘You’ve got to have less,’ and tap into the aspiration for people to want a better life.”

Joanna Williams

Definition and evolution of “woke” politics and identity-based ideologyPolicing, anti-racism training, and accusations of institutional racismCritical race theory, ‘lived experience’, and claims like ‘babies are racist’Shift on the left from class-based politics to identity politicsFeminism, motherhood, gender pay gap, and the erasure of ‘woman’Culture wars, moral panics, and the online escalation between left and rightClass divides exacerbated by COVID, remote work, and political representation

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