EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,153 words- 0:00 – 2:57
Intro
- HAHamza
Your competition right now, for the average guy who's watching this, who jacks off five times a week and he plays video games for, like, one hour a day, but it's more like four, the thing is, if you do a push-up today, you have literally beaten 500 million men. How can that not blow your mind? And that if you go and do, like, a good structured program, you're beating pretty much every single guy.
- CWChris Williamson
(wind blowing) I think that the dating YouTube space at the moment is totally fascinating, and it's fragmenting into loads of little sub-groups at the moment. How would you categorize the content that you make? What's the purpose of the stuff that you put out on YouTube?
- HAHamza
I'd say holistic self-improvement. I love that term more than, like ... I've, I've taken a bit from everywhere, right? And I've done the full, like, hardcore red pill type of stuff. I've ventured into the black pill, so (laughs) o- other people, though, have to go and look at their content. But I found that there's, there's never really, like, a healthy mix between them. A lot of them will just focus ex- like, just solely on women, seeing them as the enemy, trying to be sexist towards them or aggressive towards them. A lot of them just focus on, like, nihilism and, like, this sense of, like, hopelessness. And I don't think any one pill or space online really combines anything together to give, like, a younger man the, the framework for, like, a healthy life going forward revolving around good relationships. And I love the term holistic self-improvement, which is just, okay, let's ... why not ... why don't we all just improve as much as we can? So of course we'll try and up our SMV, we'll try and, like, attract more women and everything, but why not w- do that alongside things like healthy mental health practices, gratitude, mindfulness, learning things about, like, our childhood trauma and how that shapes our day in life?
- CWChris Williamson
You're right. W- there's no one pill that's got all of the answers within it. And you can learn bits by bouncing between them, but it seems-
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... like the, the most toxic communities are the ones where someone's got into it and then never, ever left.
- HAHamza
Oh, that was me being the red pill for, like, seven years. You can, like ... I, I think you've, you've taken it as well. Like, you can really, really go s- deep inside one of these, and when you stop questioning the reliability, the accuracy of what, like, you know, the information that you consume, you can sow ... you can put, like, such a hinderance on your growth.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, that's how cults work.
- HAHamza
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
That is precisely how cults work, that you have this leader. The leader's word cannot be questioned. All of the followers th- that, that get co-opted in, they all just believe because you're supposed to believe. And nobody questions anybody's words. And that lack of critical thinking causes ... uh, think about what cults do. They wrap people around. It's a geographical location, but also an ideological location, and they don't permit them to grow.
- HAHamza
Have you seen my Instagram bio? (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
No. What's it say?
- HAHamza
Oh, it just changed as the cult leader. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- HAHamza
So-
- CWChris Williamson
Maybe, maybe that's why you know what I'm on about.
- HAHamza
One of ... I did some research on, like, cults and religions, and I wanted to create, like, the first healthy cult where you actually, like, voluntarily come in. I, I voluntarily, like, tell you, "Yeah, you're joining a cult. We're a cult of young men who don't fap anymore," (laughs) and, like, who is trying to, like, reduce
- 2:57 – 10:47
The Problem with No Fap
- HAHamza
our drug usage.
- CWChris Williamson
Talk to me about no-fap.
- HAHamza
I, I think the online space has got this, like, w- different perception of what it is, in my opinion. I think a lot of people think, like, it is, you know, uh, the, the levitation and it's gonna make you amazing and everything. And it, you certainly will see a very, very significant change in your life if you're one of those, like, (laughs) hardcore wankers who, like, who are going multiple times a day, messed up porn and everything. Which, to be honest, like, there's a fair amount of guys, and I'm, I have the authenticity to say, yeah, 100% I was l- not, not that messed up, but, like, I was (laughs) one of those guys, right? And so when you go from this, like, multiple times a day, to, like, not ... maybe, let's say, once every three days y- you're masturbating, there's quite a big difference. And that's, like, I think as far as a lot of the benefit does go. After that, uh, this, this, like, this ... again, this cult online which is telling you, "Okay, if you, if you ever touch a dick again." And that's, that's the perception that they're pushing onto young, young men. If you fap again, you've lost the benefits, which, that, that blows my mind because that's so unhealthy to tell young guys. It's like telling an obese guy, "Okay, yeah, get into, get into the gym, get into the gym. You should go every day. If you miss a day, you lose all of the progress." That's, that's heartless, man. That's so, like ... I've come across more young men who have been pained by no-fap than who have just, like, got problems with, like-
- CWChris Williamson
Really?
- HAHamza
... porn and masturbation. Yeah. Because th- they get, like, this, this, um, existential crisis where now they feel like a, more of a loser because they keep failing no-fap. And it's just, like, simple habit science. I tell ... I, I always ask them the question, like, "When, (laughs) when did you start jacking off?" And they'll say, you know, "Age 13." They're, they're 19 right now. So six years you've buil- building up this habit, you found no-fap a few weeks ago. Six years you've been building it up and you just think you're gonna break the habit just like that? It's, like, f- at least for me, it, it took me about five years to get onto, like, no-fap where, like, I just ... it's honestly, like, it's not in my life at all. I d- I don't even think about it. I often forget that porn and masturbation is a thing. But I was so hard on myself for the first, like, year or so thinking, like, I should get to day 90 or something, because it's not just about, like, you know, the discipline and willpower. It's about the ... bro, like, we've been building up this habit for, like, s- 10 years, man. (laughs) It's, like, it's gonna take some time to, like, l- uh, reduce it down.
- CWChris Williamson
I wonder how many people would benefit from no-fap that aren't, like, pathological fappers, that people who aren't completely addicted and see it as a vice. Because one of the things that I've realized recently is that with a lot of the things we do that we don't like ourselves for doing, let's say it's using our phone too much or maybe it's junk eating on the nighttime or whatever it might be, I would say that less than 50% of the problem is the actual activity that you do. And most of the problem comes from the story that you tell yourself about the type of person you are for having done that action. So a lot of the benefits that I think we get from going through any type of personal development actually comes from a reframing around capturing our own agency to do with that particular action. Do you know what I mean?
- HAHamza
Yeah. Very, very well said. That's like, it's like this Bell curve where at first you don't really think that the original thing is the problem, the vice is the problem, so masturbation or, let's say, the junk food. Eventually you start to see people talk about, you know, quitting it and everything. Okay, this is when you hate the thing, you hate the thing, but you can't stop it. And so there's often this negative-... mental well-being stage when you're trying to start a new th- which everyone kind of knows, which is like when you finally start thinking, "Okay, I've got to go to the gym, got to lose weight, I've got to do this." It's like you just feel like shit for a little while, because you hate the thing but you still have a habit or even an addiction to the thing. And y- you've actually brought up like a fantastic point. Recently, I've been thinking that potentially the best way to actually improve things like this, whether it's NoFap or healthy eating, it's actually way more about the self-image and, like, the beliefs that we have about ourselves more than it actually is, do you know, like the stereotypical advice of like, "Oh, like, you know, install the website blocker and, like, don't buy the junk food and everything." Because if you just kinda like hide the stuff away from you, like, it's like a child just saying, "Oh, I can't, I can't see the porn anymore so I can't be addicted," or, like, you know, "I didn't buy the junk food so I can't eat it anymore." (sniffs) But it's, it's more if me, you, me and you have a chocolate bar in front of us right now, we're probably not gonna eat it because it's just, it doesn't really align with our identity. We're gonna think, "Oh, this is just not... I don't want to put it onto MyFitnessPal and just have the regret there." (laughs) Like, "I had-"
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- HAHamza
"... 400 calories for a bar, bro."
- CWChris Williamson
Speak for your- speak for yourself, man. I'm not-
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
I'm not tracking at the moment. I can eat whatever the fuck I want.
- HAHamza
Oh, good man. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
So I had, um, I had Charlie Houpert from Charisma on Command on the show earlier this week and, uh, we were talking about the fact that there is a tension between assisting yourself to not do the things that you don't want to do by hiding them away from you or by creating constraints in your life, so you don't wanna play League of Legends so you snap the game in half and delete your Xbox account or whatever. And there is a question-
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Look-
- HAHamza
I know that you're not a gamer 'cause you just said that. (laughs) Any gamers who's listening to you right now it's like... (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Or is it PC only?
- HAHamza
Snap the game in half. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Fuck. Fucking my wh- yeah, snap your PC in half. Um... (laughs)
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Um, the problem that you have is that there is a part of you that feels defeated by that, like, "Oh, I'm defeatist because I've assisted..." So the same as you saying, like, look, is keeping the junk food out of the house actually putting a blinker over your eyes so that you can't deal with the underlying problem that's causing the junk eating in the first place? I would be tempted to say that you need to give yourself assistance in the first place. Like environment design is a huge part of habit building. And it's probably the case that the tools you get in the beginning that get you across the first river isn't the boat that you're supposed to carry across land to get you across the second river. It's like, look, the thing that you did that got you here isn't the thing that's going to get you there. So if you decide to assist yourself by putting up a porn blocker on your laptop or getting rid of all the junk food out of your house or doing whatever it might be, that's fine, and then that will allow you to at least gain some-
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... momentum when your ability to stick to the habit is its weakest, then we start to build up, we start to build up, "Okay, now I've got a bit more capacity. I've got a bit more capacity. And now maybe I can look to reintroduce looking at where does my compulsion to eat junk food on an evening come from? Oh, it's actually because I'm bored because I don't have anything to do. Maybe it's because I'm lonely. Oh, well, now that I've given myself room away from the junk food, I can actually start to fill that with something else."
- HAHamza
That's a really, really good point actually, yeah. So the original, uh, environmental design, I often critique it. I often say even though every, like, scientist disagrees with me and they say, you know, like, "Willpower is limited," I'm like, I feel like I'm the one guy right now telling everyone, "Rely on willpower instead." Because at lea- like in my story, like, the environmental design would never even work, because it's this idea of, "Okay, I can not buy the junk food inside the store, but then we've, we've already got some at home. I can... okay, I'll throw it all out." I'll, you know, it's one of the, "I'm going on a diet, I'm gonna throw out the junk food," but then, like, my girlfriend's gonna come back home with, like, extra food. Or I go to, to work and it's like, it's a customer service job at the time so, like, motherfuckers are bringing me (laughs) like a lot of snacks and stuff so I'm eating that. So it's like, if the idea is like you're gonna say no once inside of the shop, the thing is if, if all you have is the environmental design, you, you probably aren't gonna manage the entire environment around you. Whereas it really is that level of willpower and even, like, the self-image, the belief, that any given time, like, we, we have junk food in the house all the time. My family love that shit, (laughs) but, like, I will pass the kitchen no problem. Ev- like every single day for like two years, there's the stuff that I used to binge eat on, but the reason why is because I always try to do this thing of like, "No, no, d- you know, don't go into the kitchen," like tell my dad not to buy the crisps. Eventually, I, I, I just... it's kind of like psychopathic, but I got my favorite snacks, just set them on the desk and just looked at them. And I don't think many people have done this but, like, oh, the, the weird thoughts (laughs) that you get about yourself when you do that. Like seriously, get the best snacks that you've ever gotten, even drugs as well, so I did this with weed and I just put it on top of the table just with a, like a notepad, started journaling, and it just makes you feel (laughs) like a crackhead 'cause you're like, oh, like, you know, like, okay, so the, the experiment's done so I can like... (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Look at me writing, writing a fucking ode to my drugs.
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
I've got a... I've written a poem, I'm outside of its window with a pair of roses.
- HAHamza
(laughs) The boombox in the...
- 10:47 – 23:25
Coping with the Difficulties of Self-Improvement
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Talk to me, so you've mentioned there about this sort of, um, chasm of difficulty. You've got self-dep- development depression is something that you talk about. What's that?
- HAHamza
Hmm. That's one of the first stages. It's like essentially, let's say you're a normal person, you just kind of... all you know about self-improvement is like, "Oh yeah, like go to the gym," but eventually you find the space online, you start finding the books on self-help and everything. Some people seem to get stuck in level one, and I think that a fair amount of, like, healthy people seem to breeze past this stage. So the healthy people that I've, for example, I've spoke to, I've coached, they'll find about, about meditation, NoFap, whatever, and they'll implement it fairly straightforward. Exercise, I'll tell them, "Okay, you gotta start exercising few- almost every single day," they'll, they'll do it, no problem. There's so many people who becau- it's only because of mental health that they're stuck in stage one, which is that they know what they should be doing, they just can't seem to do it. So for these people, for example, they would have had an idea, let's say, nice and simple, to exercise. And they'll be like, "Oh yeah, like, you know, today's the day I'm gonna exercise." Right? You know, it feels really relevant. And then they'll look back and be like, "Wait, it's been three weeks since I watched that motivational video and I said I was gonna exercise again." They just, they fall straight into the same pat- patterns. We could grab this person, take them inside the gym with us, make them do the best workout of their lives, and they're so hyped and everything, like, you know, they're making some gains, they're not gonna come again for like the next month. And it's this self-improvement depression because they are now in the space of hearing about people like me and even you, yourself, who have made progress and we're talking about, you know, the fantastic, like, stuff that comes from this and everything, and they don't get to enjoy that.... they just can't seem to get consistent in any of the habits. They can't seem to, like, make meditation work for them. They, you know, it doesn't work and everything. They've tried so many times. And it's a very, very depressing and, like, scary place to be, because you feel quite vulnerable and, like, you no longer are satisfied and oblivious to your old life of, you know, video games and porn and everything. But now you know the dangers of them. You've watched the videos. This, you know the, "Oh, like, I used to play video games, but now I don't play video games. And look at me, everyone, I've got, I've hot girls now." And like, some little guy's watching that thinking, like, "Wait, bu- but I want girls." But like, "I can't," you know, he can't, he can't, um, snap his League of Legends (laughs) disc in half as you would say.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's what he needs to do.
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Are you familiar with Plato's Allegory of the Cave? Do you know that story?
- HAHamza
No.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. So, uh, Plato gives this story about, um, three men that are chained up inside of a cave, and they're looking at a wall, in-
- HAHamza
Oh, the shadows?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, the shadows on the wall, right? And then one of them gets freed, he goes out into the world, he suffers pain, he can't see because it's so bright and he's been in the darkness. And then eventually, after looking at the reflection of the world in the water and then finally the world in its full color, he starts to see that, "Oh wow, the previous world that I thought this was all that existed is only a mere shadow of what is available for us." And he comes back into the cave, and then he looks at his friends, he's stumbling around, he can't see 'cause he's now in darkness, he's back, he's regressed back to the previous version of himself, to try and communicate between where he is and where the people that he wants to bring up with him is. And he says to them, "Look, guys, like, th- this isn't the real world. I promise you, out there, there is something better. It's more blissful, it's fuller." And they're not happy. They said, "Look, you, you can't even see in here anymore. You can't see inside of the cave. This was supposed to be the place that you knew." And he can't see because he's seen what is true. He comes back, he's ostracized by the people that live at a lower resolution than him. And the argument from Plato is, look, this is the job of a philosopher. It's to try and peer through, it's to see what the truth is, and it's to then try and tell people who need to be leveled up from that. But there is a pain associated with that. If the, if true hell is when the person that you are meets the person that you could have been-
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... every time that you get to see the person that you could be continue to ri- uh, rise up, and you see that through YouTube videos with people that are doing things and crushing it and killing it and Instagram and bundles and da blah, every time that you see that, the ceiling of potential continues to move away, and you need to try and catch up with it now. So you just continue to feel this chasm between where you are and where you could be.
- HAHamza
Wow, and that's gotta be painful. It kinda reminds me of the analogy of the crabs in a bucket mentality. So that's very common in self-improvement where the, one of the guys in the friendship group will find self-improvement, start working on themself, and find that no one else seems to want to, like, climb up in the same way. And it's, it's, it just, it blows your mind 'cause you wanna go up to your friend and say, "Look, look, boys, like, I've, I've been lifting some weights and I finally feel confident. You know, we're all nerds and stuff, but like, look at me, I've got some biceps and stuff." And they'll make fun of you. They're like n- like, "We don't do that type of stuff here."
- CWChris Williamson
"Oh, that's fucking gay."
- HAHamza
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
"Why would you do that?"
- HAHamza
Oh, like you're going to the g- "That's gay." Like, come on, man. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
That's the worst thing. Dude, this is my least favorite thing about British, British culture. My least favorite thing by far.
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, that tall poppy syndrome is holding so many young people back that could be amazing, that have got desires for growth, that want to go and do something different, but are terrified because every time they try to do something different, their immediate social circle take the piss out of them.
- HAHamza
What's that? Uh, tall poppy syndrome?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. So you can imagine that you look in a field and there's a field of poppies and there's a tall one. As you go through, which one are you going to chop down?
- HAHamza
Oh, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
The most likely one that you're going to chop down is the tall poppy. It's called tall poppy syndrome. I don't know the full history of it. I think it's an Australian term originally. But yeah, tall poppy syndrome. Something sticks out, something grows faster than everything else, that's the one that gets chopped.
- HAHamza
So then which one would you rather be, like amongst the masses and just kind of seeing the same thing as everyone else, or the one up here who kind of like-
- CWChris Williamson
Dude.
- HAHamza
... lives fast, dies young?
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, that's a good question. That's a genuinely good question. So when I, the first ever time that I saw Jordan Peterson live, someone said to him, "The depth of my consciousness causes me to suffer. Is it a blessing or a curse to feel everything so deeply?" I'm like, this is a really fucking smart question, because a lot of the people that are in the audience, they've maybe started to step out of Plato's cave. They've started to look around and go, "Look, fuck, maybe, maybe there is more to life." But by taking that decision, you are inevitably going to suffer as well. And Jordan said basically, you, the only solution would be to regress back to a lower state of consciousness, right? To go into some lower resolution version of the world. And a lot of people escape from their insights with drugs, with alcohol, with sex, with extreme sports. Sometimes people even take their own lives in an effort to try and get away from this because they don't feel like they can find a solution. And he said, "Look, it's too bloody late to regress back. What you need to do is take more of the thing that poisons you until you turn it into a tonic that girdles the world around you." He's like, "You have not less consciousness, but more. You go deeper, you go further in." And I'm watching this thing and my hairs, e- even now man, reciting it, the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. I'm like, "That is so correct." You need to go deeper. You need to take more of the thing that you think is the challenge, and you turn it into a tonic that girdles the world around you.
- HAHamza
Hmm. That's making me think of like the beginner who starts in the gym, and the first workout just absolutely kills them. They're like, "Oh my god, you know, how do people do this?" It's like, "My, my, my muscles are so sore." And if they stop right now, or e- even in any sport, like kickboxing reminds me of it, but if they stop right now, every single time they try to get back into the gym, they will feel the same pain, or even worse than normal. And it's so interesting that the more you go, the less pain that you'll actually feel, till eventually, the pain actually becomes the pleasure. Like it, like we actually like ... Like if my chest doesn't get sore, I'm like, "Oh, like, I guess I'm a little bitch then, 'cause I didn't-"
- CWChris Williamson
We'll see how Yeah. (laughs) didn't even hit that shit. (laughs)
- 23:25 – 30:18
Reacting to Britney Spears
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, I wanna talk about Britney Spears. We need-
- HAHamza
Let's do it.
- CWChris Williamson
We simply have to talk about this. So for the people that haven't seen, uh, one day ago, Britney Spears posted a two-photo carousel on her Instagram with the caption, "Free woman energy has never felt better." And she is completely naked apart from a long pair of white socks, and she has an emoji of a heart over her vagina, and a flower over her nipple. Uh, and then there's another photo. If you swipe right, there is another photo where she's kind of like wide-legged, uh-
- HAHamza
(laughs) .
- CWChris Williamson
... and the- with the same, the same emoji set up. So you can go and see this. And it's got nearly three million likes, but perhaps unsurprisingly, she turned comments off. Um, what's your, what's your thoughts on that, Hamza?
- HAHamza
So there's a YouTuber called Alexander Grace. I sent you th- uh, the link to his YouTube video where he was saying p- uh, polygamy is gonna be the new normal.
- CWChris Williamson
Yep, I watched that one.
- HAHamza
And, um, he- he said it in like a fantastic way where he said, "Imagine if..."... the real feminists of the 1900s saw what was happening today. Like, they would, they would think that you were lying. If we told them, "Oh, yeah, by the way, like, women are fighting to be more sexualized than ever, to like, to, for free, post pictures of themselves so that millions of hund- tens of millions of people can see it," the real feminists of the 1900s would, would think that you were joking. They would think that you were just, like, mocking them. That this is ... Like, it's the sad state we're now ... I especially think of, like, the young women and the teenagers who, who are kind of seeing, like, their idols post this, and obv- obviously, we model after the people that we look up to. And it's kind of like, okay, so in this bizarre counterintuitive way, the modern sort of feminist narrative has ... encourages women more than ever to show off their bodies, to be promiscuous, which is kind of like the counterintuitive aim of the 1900s movements.
- CWChris Williamson
Certainly not a linear progression between the two.
- HAHamza
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, the thing that I fucking think, we need to all apologize to her dad and say, "Look, Dad, maybe you were right."
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Do you see that court case? Do you see where he was basically ... Oh, right, okay. So the story seems like Britney Spears's dad had control over her entire life. Like, she, her, her estate, which included her back catalog of records, um, I think it was like even t- to do with her finances, how she could spend money. It was, it was pretty severe, right? And it seemed a bit sinister as well, especially the way it was portrayed in the press. I don't know the ins and outs of the court case, but it didn't seem fantastic. But also, Britney's had some, um, challenges mentally in the past, which I think was what had legitimated that in the first place. So anyway, there was this big back and forth, and it was #FreeBritney was going on for ages, right?
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
They wanted to give her her life back. And I don't know what the current situation of that is. I feel like she might've got more of her liberty back from her father. But you think, Britney, if this is the first thing that you do after getting ... if you post a fully naked selfie twice on Instagram to prove your own sanity and the fact that you don't need your father, I'm like, I, I don't know if we were right. I don't know if we were right. Save Britney. Maybe Save Britney, not Free Britney.
- HAHamza
I think, to be honest, you and I are looking at this from quite a level-headed pers- perspective, which isn't really the general consensus of the modern world around us. (laughs) Whereas, okay, so we're looking at this in, like, a quite critical way, but I think the overwhelming majority of people will see this as a positive act for, like, feminism and for the act of, um, expressing their sexuality. They'll see it like, this is a confident thing, like, a brave thing to do.
- CWChris Williamson
I'm so ... Maybe I have too much faith in humanity, but, well, people can let us know in the comments, right, if you think that ... what, what your opinion of this is, whether Britney is, um, liberating herself and experimenting with the sovereignty of her own body and her own social media platform, or if this is somebody that could do with a bit of help and needs a phone call from a friend. Like, it doesn't seem to me ... I, I would be interested to speak to the person that says, like, "Go Britney" after that. Um, and it just seems like a bad PR move as well. Th- you've just come out of a court case where your dad had control of everything because he was worried that you were gonna lose your head, and then you ... (sighs) I don't know.
- HAHamza
For some people, there's no such thing as bad PR though.
- CWChris Williamson
Ah, yeah, well, I mean, Britney's ... Come on, Britney. It's been a while.
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
How long was, like, her first single? 20, probably 25 years ago or some shit? But that's another interesting thing. We were talking about this offline, um, what happens when you very quickly gain status, and think about child stars. Um, and this is f- here's an interesting one for you, man. Britney Spears, Macaulay Culkin, and Brett Weinstein, Eric Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, people at kind of the opposite ends of life and maturity, but both of which can be just gifted global renown immediately. How the fuck are you supposed to deal with that status? Like-
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... the human brain was not meant to be able to receive international acclaim and be known by millions and millions of people like (snaps fingers) like that.
- HAHamza
Honestly, that's why you see so many of these, like, child celebrities with mental breakdowns. Like, it used to be ... In quite a horrifying way, it used to be quite kind of funny to the general population, I think, either it was Britney Spears or Madonna or someone that trimmed their head off, their, their hair off, and everyone was laughing about it and everything. But it's only now, as more, like, as we were saying, like, normal people are starting to get f- fame and, you know, w- you and I are branching into, like, the dark territory where we're, like, somewhat normal, somewhat not. And, like, we can start to see, like, we haven't spoken about this, but w- you, you must get some kind of, like, hate comments every now and then, and it does, like, mess you up sometimes because we haven't even fathomed the power of the internet yet. And when you do read a comment, it, it's in my belief that it feels exactly like a person in front of you saying that. And when we do get, like, a critical comment from someone, it's this evolutionary thing inside of us that, like, kicks up, you know, puts us into fight or flight thinking, "Okay, if you don't act right, you'll be kicked out of the tribe." Imagine that with 10 people. That's scary. Imagine that with ho- 100. Well, that's life-threatening. Now imagine it was, like, literally a million people. No wonder these, like, these guys are, like, literally taking naked pictures of themselves, so, like, hopefully, they get some likes or, like, you know, domain.
- CWChris Williamson
They don't know what to do, yeah. Well, I, I would love to know the, the motivation behind that vid- that, uh, photo. So fucking interesting. But you are right. Like, people remember the insults and forget the blessings. That negativity bias is a hell of a drug, and it's everywhere. But I don't know. Les would not be swayed by that. Les would be completely fine, and he would just-
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... get, get stuck into what he's got to do
- 30:18 – 52:01
Thoughts on Red Pill YouTube
- CWChris Williamson
next. All right, so give me, give me your thoughts on red pill YouTube.
- HAHamza
Yeah, um, it's mixed because a fair amount of people, and somewhat including myself, have found some value in them, and it's ... There is absolutely value in having, like, older men give you wisdom, and they'll, they'll record videos, and, and they'll say f- for example, like, "Don't pedestalize women. They're just normal people," and everything. The issue is that... (laughs) Th- those type of videos don't really do well on YouTube. What does better is like, "Okay, we hate women now and treat them like garbage, and here's how to, like, fuck them and, like, you know, th- throw them out and everything. Here's, like, how to do, like, degenerate type of stuff." And the issue now is the internet's very, very nuanced, and so any kind of, like, red pill YouTuber that you're gonna come across is usually on this side of quite, like, quite a degenerate, negative, hateful, hostile personality. And I, I've certainly, like, I'm not even exempt from this, I've certainly branched into this multiple times. Um, the issue is that what does best for views and for likes and for growth on YouTube, which is an admirable ... You know, it's, it's a business at the end of the day. It's how people make a living. The ... That isn't what, what is best for a young man's mind. So the red pill YouTubers who are very popular right now are qu- almost entirely just a negative influence, in my opinion. They do teach some things. So for example, a young man who's, who's stumbled onto the red pill YouTubers will, for example, learn something which will help him with the next girl he speaks to. But the issue with that is that by emulating the red pill YouTubers that he sees, the only girls that he can attract are similar to the girls that that red pill YouTuber are attracting. And then the red pill YouTuber, if he says, "All women are hos," and then he's teaching you, "Oh, yeah, like, here's, here's how to text girls," well, he's te- he's telling you how to text hos. So now the young man who's following that advice, any good, healthy woman is not gonna be attracted to the way he, like, texts very ... in this example. Only the hos are going to be attracted to it. So it becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy. And like people said this to me multiple times as I was going through my red pill journey myself but I couldn't really understand it, you know, they're the blue pillars, we can't trust them and everything. Up until you really do, like, take a huge step back and you realize, like, you've just pigeonholed yourself to attract the women that you actually do hate.
- CWChris Williamson
Dude. Well, I mean, think about ... Here's a good example. Think about the girls that Fresh & Fit invite round. Like, they purposefully go out of their way to find the thoughtiest, most ratchet, degenerate girls that they can from the streets of Miami, and they invite them round and they have some drinks, and then they use it as their opportunity to outwit the only other people in Miami that they can-
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... who are these club, nightclub girls, and then use that to ... Like, their intellect stands on the shoulders of girls that are five tequilas deep. And I'm f-
- HAHamza
Oh, my God. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, I'm fucking adamant, I'm fucking adamant that the fact that Fresh from Fresh & Fit is seen as an alpha male by some corners of the internet, I'm fucking certain that that is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Like, that is the biggest ... Forget COVID, forget Trump, forget January 6th. The fact that that man is seen as an alpha is the worst comment on culture in the modern era that I could give.
- HAHamza
Which one is Fresh?
- CWChris Williamson
He's the one that always sounds like he's got food in his mouth.
- HAHamza
(laughs) Oh, my God. Clinton's middle finger. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Permanently sounds like he's got food in his mouth. He just got rumbled, he just got rumbled for being on, uh, Seeking Arrangement. So he has this chick on the channel and he invites her round, and they start talking about how, "I know that she's different. She's this sort of a girl." She meets him at this boat party, then everybody finds that she's got this TikTok account where she says the only type of guys that she likes and then just switches to a photo of a, a bucket load of cash. She's got a channel on Seeking Arrangements and it's like luxury lifestyle, fitness lifestyle, exclusive parties, and it turns out that that's how he met her. He's got this weird story about how he was at a party in Miami with this basketballer and then this basketballer said, "Oh, I've fucked that girl as well on your Instagram. Hey, why don't you come back to mine? Where's the good parties tonight?" And then Fresh ends up taking him around and ends up having, like, sex with five girls in one night or something. You're like, "Dude, this is like Jay from The Inbetweeners."
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
This legitimately sounds like, "So I had one over there, and I was fucking her with my toe."
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And you think, "Oh my God, what the fuck is wrong with these people?"
- HAHamza
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, man. My first perception of them once I... Like, I saw, like, quite a lot of, like, clickbait-y content and, you know, there's just girls ass in the thumbnail and everything. And it, it's, it is definitely entertaining to watch because it is just like kind of degenerate shit that you, you know, you ... Like, I don't want the door to open at my mum, but I don't want my mum to walk in. (laughs) I'd rather just switch porn on. It's easier to explain. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- HAHamza
But, um, there's just ... The issue is, right, with, with stuff like that, again, it's, it's inherently just negative media. There's n- And l- Some people reply and, you know, they say like, "Oh, no, but it's really, really helped me." But it's like I don't think it would have. I think any realizations or insights that you really got from at least the, the show that they do with the girls is just kind of like you need to watch one episode or just read Rollo Tomassi's books.
- CWChris Williamson
It's the same shit.
- HAHamza
It's this, it's like, oh, like, oh, like, wom- women are n- 70%. It's like th- they just reply and the exact same thing, they've just got different girls. And it's just like young men a- are consuming it just as an addiction to, like, their YouTube, like, you know, content consumption. I will go to say though that they're, they do shows with like other guys. So they've done shows with like Rollo Tomassi, Jay Waller and, and, um, Sterling Cooper. And those ones, like, it's, it's so different. Like I, I wish they did more because th- they're actually giving some, like, great wisdom and it, it was a totally different vibe, where they're thinking of like the young man and they're thinking of, "Hey, guys, you should, like, focus on your credit score and everything." And it's like, that's some, like, good ass advice right there. But the issue is like that doesn't sell. Those ones will get a lot less views. Just ass on a-
- CWChris Williamson
Just the difference, man.
- HAHamza
Ass on a thumbnail, that's what we wanna see, like ...
- CWChris Williamson
We kick these hos out, like, that's what everybody wants.
- HAHamza
Oh, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
It's a, it's a drama channel. Someone said ... What was it? "It's Jerry Springer for the TikTok generation."
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
That's what, that's what someone fucking commented about it. Here's the thing, and I, I would be interested to know if you're the same. When I first started watching Fresh & Fit, Kevin Samuels, there's a part of me that I notice that gets satisfied by watching that.... like, "Yeah, yeah, you fucking- you take those thoughts down. You take those bitches down." I'm like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where are you coming from?" Like, what part of me is it that takes satisfaction from watching guys that are prepped shit on girls that have just come to come and sit in a podcast studio?
- HAHamza
It's the beta part, like, the, the part of you that still remembers getting rejected from girls and everything. It's like, this is, like, us indulging in that thing of, "Oh, look, we've got to get the girls."
- CWChris Williamson
Vin- vindicating some vengeance.
- HAHamza
Yeah, that's it. Because to... Imagine to how many guys that is so attractive to, because how many guys... Okay, this- that's a part of us right now. If we're doing okay with the girls, it's like a part of us still remembers and, like, you know, is, is hateful for the fact that we got rejected by this one girl or by hundreds of girls. Imagine how many guys are, like, literally not attracting any women whatsoever. All they have... It's not even a part. That is just them, it's just hateful, resentful. And then they go and see a show where a girl's getting made fun of, and, you know, the girl says something, but he's like, "No, but, uh, h- here's the fact. Like, here, you didn't, you didn't research like we did." Like, that, that guy's gonna feel like some kind of fulfillment from that, like, he's, "Yes, like, finally, like, they're, they're getting put in their place." It is so attractive to the, the, the huge proportion of guys who have been hurt by women.
- 52:01 – 1:08:12
Is the Future Polyamorous?
- CWChris Williamson
all. You, you sent me this video of the future is polyamorous. What do you reckon about the future of relationships? Can you see that happening?
- HAHamza
Yeah, 100%. I watched that video, and honestly, it really opened up my mi- my eyes. After I watched your podcast with, uh, Vincent.
- CWChris Williamson
Vincent Paranam, yeah.
- HAHamza
Yeah. Um, so you guys are discussing the sexual marketplace and how it's gonna just get more and more cutthroat, so I made like a one-hour video in response, where I was just kind of like just, you know, gurgitating ideas and just seeing what would happen. And we're entering some dark times for s- young men. The fact that I, I think near the end of your podcast, you were really like started taken aback thinking of, like, the seriousness of this problem. Like, I don't think we... You know, we're just kind of chatting away on how to get girls and everything, but this is like... This is maybe one of the biggest problems-
- CWChris Williamson
Civilization ending.
- HAHamza
Yeah. This quite literally is like a 10 out of 10, like, disaster just waiting to h- And like it's happening right now, and everyone's not really taking it serious because it's just like, "Oh, you know, like, guys just want to get laid." But it's a huge, huge problem. And the idea is, okay, what is going to happen in the future of dating? Well, relationships amongst young people, and even sex, is like it's just going out of place. No one's really getting into like a monogamous, committed, long-term relationship. The people who are getting into monogamous relationships are often finding that their relationships end six to 12 months later, and they end in like infidelity and everything. And the idea is that women just keep... You know, with hypergamous nature, they just keep wanting better and better and better, better, be- better m- men. And because w- the top men that all the women want are ruthly competi- ruthlessly competitive, it's like this, this section of men, let's say, the top 10% is becoming ever harder to get into. Let's say 50 years ago, it was like he didn't stink and he had a car, and all the girls (laughs) were after him. And now it's like you need everything. You need like... You need a six-pack, you've been training for six years in the gym, you need, like, your... the mental, uh, like confidence and a degree, post-gradu- graduate degree. You need everything these days as a man to, like, be in this top 10%. And so it's, it's just gonna get more and more ruthless. Women want the men in here. The thing is, the men in here don't just want one woman. If you're the guy who's essentially beating 90-something percent of other guys in terms of characteristics, chances are, like a lot of guys do say like, "You know, oh no, it's just like I just want one woma- woman." If you had the ability to, to attract more than one woman, I think the overwhelming majority of guys would actually accept that proposal and be with two women instead in like a, let's say, in a dating market. And I think we're gonna see this more and more. And I think Alexander Grace, the YouTuber who made that video of, uh, polygamy being normal, he had this fantastic point where he said that he thinks feminists are actually going to push this narrative, not men, because it's gonna be like this sort of like new-age fight for, like, more rights in a sense, where like women would rather be w- women... Uh, it's Rollo Tomassi's quote, "Women would rather share an alpha than be saddled with a faithful beta."
- CWChris Williamson
If that's the case, if the next frontier for feminism is opening up-... polyamorous relationships, those polygynous relationships, technically. Um, if that's the next frontier for them, I, I don't think that the future looks very good for civilization because that is... If that's a cause that women start to campaign for, that's the sort of thing that men are going to riot and kill about. And there's such a cool study. I ne- had you ever seen that graph before? The one where he's, uh, what was that guy's name, the YouTuber?
- HAHamza
Alexander Grace.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Um, where Alexander had found a graph that showed the relative number of men-
- HAHamza
Mm.
- CWChris Williamson
... versus the relative number of women that were giving birth to children. Presumably this must be genetic data somehow. And, um, you can see that from about 50,000 years ago until 10,000 years ago, it's relatively equal. Like, women are a little bit higher because, on average, uh, women are more successful at having children than men are. Women are a little bit higher, men are a little bit lower, but kind of tracking similarly. And then (snaps fingers) 10,000 years ago, the men just drop off a cliff, go to basically zero. It looks like, like who, who, which men are having children here? There's no, there's no one. And his argument was that during the agricultural revolution, what you had was the ability for men to accrue status and resources, which afforded them the ability to have huge harems of women that they could keep safe. But then what they realized was that it was an incredibly unstable society for men to be in. And I had an evolutionary biologist on the show, Joe Henrich, the other day, and he said that a lot of, uh, South Pacific islands and uncontacted tribes and stuff that have been studied, some of them have a, what's called a, it's like a genotriarchy, I think, or a ger- gerificic or something, uh, which is the old people are the ones that are in charge. Um, and men have to go through a number of rituals before they can marry, and often it keeps them until their 30s before they can do. You gotta do this, gotta do this, gotta do this, gotta do this. But what that leaves you with is a ton of available women that are captured by a bunch of old men, and then a shit ton of young men that are coming up that think, "Well, I've gotta do my next ritual in three years' time. I can't get a woman at the moment because they've all been captured by these guys and these stupid rituals and this ideology that we've got. Fuck it, let's revolt."
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And it's just an inherently unstable society. So, that's the thing. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that society when they actually look at it. Nobody wants the unstable, sexless underclass of men roaming the streets shit. Like, that's bad for absolutely everybody. And I don't know, I don't know if polygyny is as realistic as Alexander makes out, because modern notions of romanticism have skewed what women expect a lot. And I think that it's not sufficient for women in a relationship to simply get their fair share of resources. They actually want to feel emotional connection and time with their partner. And if you end up having, you know, one man to three women or one man to four women, like, is one-quarter of that man's attention going to be enough for you? I'm not sure.
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm. There's so many things to break down there. But th- the last point that you made, um, in terms of the media influence and... 'Cause that's the, that's huge. The media very, very heavily influences our dating and our sexual lives. And it was a realization that I had, let's say, 50 years ago. Disney was a, a huge thing that pushed forward, like, the blue pill i- ideology and, like the oneitis belief. You know, like, they got happily married, like ha- happily ever after. What's very interesting is, like, that media is very, very different. Like, I don't consume much media, but I can almost, like, envision sort of, like, new age sitcoms and, you know, like reality TV shows where it's, like, the modern stuff of the dating. We, you're seeing it in the show. You're gonna see this one girl who, like, oh, she just had a dr- drunken hookup with this guy who didn't text her back, and like, she wants this guy, but this guy's got this other guy. And may- maybe she'll go on a date and sh- you know, they had a threesome together or something. You're beginning to see it because media influences us, but we also influence, like, the media. And of course some random show that shows these dynamics is gonna be quite relatable amongst a certain audience. So, we are gonna see, like, the... I don't watch it personally, but like, I know for a fact there's gonna be some TV shows that are, like, doing really well right now, which will have quite a prominent character being a part of this, like, modern new age dating.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, dude, think about what Love Island does.
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Love Island turns... I- I'm fucking a part of this problem, right? I understand that it's the pot calling the kettle black. They turn dating into a game. Like, it's, it, it is a game show first and foremost. After everything, after you've been through six weeks, there's been vote-offs, there's been surprise editions, there's been Casa Amor. People have come in, you've been worried about losing this partner, it's been this really intense experience. You've been, you've got a wicked tan. And at the very end, "You've won. Here's some celebrations. Oh wait, now you get to play Would I Lie To You or Deal or No De- or Golden Balls. You get to do split or steal." And I've always been really interested about why that was there. And I asked the guys on my season, like, what was going on with that. But what it tells us, like, it's the final thing that you see on the entire season. You watch the whole season, it's the f- it's the fucking parentheses or it's the period at the end, right? The full stop is, "Will you split or steal this 50,000 quid?" Which is a pointless exercise now, because the money that you make-
- HAHamza
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... off the back of it, if you've made it to the end and you've won, is so much more. And if you were to steal, the amount of money that you would make from your Boohoo sponsorship would go through the floor because you wouldn't have as much brand equity anymore 'cause you'd be the dick that stole 25 grand. Um, it just reminds everyone that it's a game. That's what it does. It's a show that is called Love Island that is ostensibly supposed to be about love, and at the end of it, it reminds everyone...... that actually it wasn't so much about the relationship, there was this game show element to it as well. That doesn't seem like a tremendously effective, romantic way to teach young people about caring about their relationships. Everyone's swapping beds twice a week. New guys come in, "Oh, I like it. I know I'm with him, but I'm- I like him," or, "I know I'm with her, but I'm gonna like..." what's, what does Rollo call it, uh, branch swinging?
- HAHamza
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. "I'm gonna branch swing across this or I'll dip my toe in and see whatever's going on."
- HAHamza
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Fuck, man.
- HAHamza
That's so interesting, a show called Love Island is heartless. (snaps fingers) (laughs) That on- that's like the modern dating that we're literally surrounding ourselves... and of course, this is like to an extreme level and it's for the audience, the viewership and everything. But honestly, they're, they're not that far off normal dating lives anyway. A lot of it is recreating what people in, uh, in like, let's say, the young party casual sex scene are experiencing. 'Cause otherwise- honestly, like if you're someone who's been like a bit of a fuckboy, you go to clubs and everything, like, you know that dynamic. That's why it's so re- relatable and so fun to watch, because the questions that you're asking people is like the questions that I'm asking some girl that I just met yesterday. And then, it's like, "Oh, there's another guy. Is he gonna mug me off of the girl?" and everything. Like, it's so realistic, but it just- when you really think (laughs) about the fact that it's- it's literally just like all over the place, like this is... Modern dating is just kind of like the fast food version of l- the healthy version that we may have gotten to experience like 100 years ago.
- CWChris Williamson
Fuck. I don't know. And- but I also don't understand. Like, I agree, I think the oneitis thing disempowers people from bad relationships. You know, this is the part of Rollo's work that I think he really nailed, which is this myth of the one. There is not one person out there for you, there are a number of people that are, uh, variably appropriate, and the goal is to find somebody that is as close to appropriate as possible. Now, that's not to say that you can't feel incredibly special and like you have a team and a community and this is what you're going to do. And especially once you have kids, like, "Okay, like this is w- we're together through thick and thin here. You know, I don't want my kids to grow up in a single parent household, and I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure that that doesn't happen." I don't know how you blend, um, Love Island transient transactional relationships with the myth of oneitis with progression for, uh, women and men to not have rights removed from them and norms removed from them that restrict their premarital sex, with the challenges in women raising up through the dominance hierarchy and there being fewing- fewer men hypergamously that are attracted to them. I'm like, all of this blended together, just to me... Do you know what it is, man? It feels like fucking Don't Look Up, which is the new Netflix show about an asteroid that's coming toward Earth, and these couple of researchers are screaming at the President of the United States and saying, "This is going to come and this is going to kill us. We need to do something about it right now." And nobody listens. And they say, "Well, you say it's 99.9, let's call it 70, we'll get a press release out there." They're like, "No, no, no, no, don't call it fucking 70. This is a big deal. This is a planet killer." And then, it ends up being everybody gets destroyed.
- HAHamza
Yeah, I've tried to wrap my mind around the- the potential solution to all this, and I- I can't think of any good answers whatsoever. And, uh, th- the only one that comes to mind is things keep going the way that they are, and instead of the bottom 80% of sexless, intimacy, love-deprived men revolting, they all just get consumed by the metaverse and that's their new reality, and they find a sense of like love and int- And- and I'm being deadly serious. I think that's actually the most realistic scenario, is a few years from now we have like ultra-realistics of like virtual reality and guys are just trading an hour of cuddling for like 0.1 Ethereum and that's (laughs) that'll do them.
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, well, I mean, you'll see this in your YouTube comments. I've definitely seen it in some of the red pill videos that I've done, where guys will say... the more MGTOW-y black pill guys will say, um, "Don't need to bother with women. Just wait for the sex robots and buy cars in the- in the meantime." And I'm thinking, "Well, I mean, it's a solution." It's not... I wo- I wouldn't say it's an optimal solution, it's not the one that I would choose, but I understand the compulsion of a guy who feels like he can't get physical intimacy or find a woman or a wife that cares about him. I understand why that would be attractive. And maybe you're right, maybe the best- the second-best option, if revolt is the worst option, maybe the second-best option is sedation. If you sedate the populace with enough metaverse and virtual reality and convenience to the point where people genuinely- men genuinely don't care about mating anymore. But even that man, like I can't imagine me being that guy. I don't... That's not the sort of life that I want. And again, I understand that not everybody has the same life experiences, but fuck that. Like, did you- did you really want to grow up for this to be the pinnacle of your life?
- HAHamza
To be honest, I feel like the sedation is already- has been happening for many, many years. Video games, porn, social media. I think the majority of guys are so consumed in- in this technology that they wouldn't ever revolt, and ... li- life is like good enough for the majority of guys. And the things that they miss from real life, like a sense of brotherhood, status, and recognition, they're getting in games like Call of Duty. The things that they miss in the dating and sexual market, because they're not part of the, you know, the 20% of guys who are like allowed to get that stuff, they get from like, I don't know, TV shows and porn and just fantasies and sending dick pics on Instagram. So, although it doesn't exes- essentially fulfill the exact need, the thing is, the businesses that-... sedate a person and make them feel like somewhat like they've ticked off those bottom pillars of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, those industries are like billions, like hundreds of billions, because that's, that's where billions of men are going to. And to be honest, you were saying like you, you couldn't imagine a life like this. That made me realize, okay, usually if I do see those men, uh, those comments of like the men saying men going their own way and black pill, you know, usually I'm instantly like, "Okay, you're a loser. Like I don't know why you're doing that, just you know, focus on self-improvement and everything." But lately, I ... because of your podcast, I've been thinking more about this and I've been thinking, are men like you and I living our life through the lens of someone who isn't genetic ... this sounds horrible, like genetically sort of subpar, and that's why we're saying things like, "Oh, you know, I wouldn't wanna live that life," but it's like, w- we're tall, attractive guys, we've got like th- good features and everything. We couldn't imagine a life like that, but what about for the guy? Y- w- we couldn't imagine a life like that even if, you know, things were worse off, because we'd be, "Okay, you know, let's, let's still get, get the six-pack, get the money and everything." But what about the guy who's like literally five-foot-seven, unattractive face?
- CWChris Williamson
You know what's weird? Did
- 1:08:12 – 1:17:38
Does Everyone Have the Same Potential for Growth?
- CWChris Williamson
you watch ... Oh, again, you don't use a massive amount of social media, but Molly-Mae, who won Love Island a couple of years ago, she trended on Twitter, uh, this week because she made some pretty tone-deaf comments about how people that are poor just need to work harder, and they can do whatever they want. And someone mentioned that she works for PrettyLittleThing and gets £600,000 a year, but PrettyLittleThing pay their workers £3.50, so it's very difficult, it doesn't matter how hard I work, I'm stuck in a poverty trap. And it kind of feels maybe a little bit like that, that there is a degree of blindness to people for whom there is a ceiling on it, on their capacity for growth, personal agency, sovereignty. So the black pill, uh, in incel forums, on average, it's 30% of people to 50% of people have some sort of autism spectrum disorder. So they're aspergic, they're autistic, or they might be disabled physically. And you think, when you learn that stat, you're like, me telling you that you need to go read Atomic Habits by James Clear just doesn't cut the mustard. But I mean, frankly, I don't think that me or you are speaking to them. Like that's not my audi- bro, like I feel for you, you know, there is a channel of interesting content for you here. But genuinely, I feel like your situation requires more specialist assistance than I can give it. Um, this is for the, this is written for the me and you 10 years ago, right? That's what the content is created there for. And to pick out ... A- any- anything that you say is a generalization. And to pick out that one example that doesn't fit the generalization, you're like, oh, okay, cool. But I can't make a one-size-fits-fucking-everybody solution here. We're just trying to give across the best tactics that we found that worked for us that will hopefully apply to the widest group of guys, and girls.
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