Modern WisdomHow To Survive The 21st Century | Jason Stapleton | Modern Wisdom Podcast 148
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... the stuff that…
- JSJason Stapleton
... the stuff that I've been focusing on over the last couple of years is, is making my audience, my clients aware of the changes that are happening, and having them try and disassociate from political change as a way to improve our lives and, and improve our wellbeing, and focus more on individual change. What do I need to do to change my life to make sure that over the next 20 years I, I prosper, I thrive? Not that I survive, but that I actually thrive. And it's, uh, I mean, it's a full-time job just going through all that because we want to be focused on this stuff that doesn't matter. We love focusing on the noise, but the noise doesn't make you any money, the noise doesn't protect you. The noise just distracts you, keeps you dependent and apathetic.
- CWChris Williamson
Jason Stapleton in the building. How are you doing, man?
- JSJason Stapleton
I'm doing well, brother. Thank you for having me on your show.
- CWChris Williamson
Thank you for being here, dude. What's been going on? What you been doing today?
- JSJason Stapleton
Well, today I've been doing a lot of... It's so funny because the bu- people think that what I do is... Y- I mean, uh, some of what I do is cool and some of it-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JSJason Stapleton
... is, uh, i- is celebrity, I guess, in, in terms of how it looks and the places I, I get to go. I live in Los Angeles so I get to, I get to go to a lot of premieres and stuff like that. But the bulk of what I do is sitting in a room staring at a computer screen-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JSJason Stapleton
... uh, looking over numbers for marketing and advertising, and that's what I was doing today. I'm actually writing sales copy and I was building out, uh, a bunch of sales funnels for some YouTube advertising that we're doing. So it was... It's not glamorous work, it's not sexy, but it's, uh, it's, it's oftentimes that's the work that really pays the big money. Um, that's where the dividends are made. It's not when people are seeing you, it's not when you're on Instagram or Facebook or anything like that. It's when you're bunkered down in your room when no- nobody's looking at you doing the stuff that nobody else is willing to do. I always say, you know, success, success happens when nobody's watching. And, uh, and I guess I was involved in a little bit of that this morning.
- CWChris Williamson
That's cool. Yeah, I always think about Conor McGregor. You know, people look at this guy and he's essentially unlimited wealth now, and there's a, a bunch of things that he is capable of doing that pretty much no one else is. However, Conor's had two kids over the last few years. Conor McGregor, as a dad, has had to get up at 3:00 in the morning and change a dirty nappy. Like, that is just reality. There's some things that you have to do, that you can't stop doing, right?
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
There's this quote, I think it's Erasmus, that says, uh, "From the king in his castle to the peasant in the street, everybody shits."
- JSJason Stapleton
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
It's like there are certain parts (laughs) of life-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... that you just can't get away from. And you know, you, you're right as well, like, um, as a club promoter people see you standing on the front door of a nightclub and they just think it's like strippers and cocaine until 6:00 in the morning, then wake up, like throw the condoms in the bin, have some cereal and a Budweiser and crack back on. I'm like, "No." Like, absolutely not. I'm the guy that has to sit in the office and argue with the manager-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... because the, the fl- till floats off and all this stuff. So yeah, I think no matter your industry, you're always gonna have to do the grind.
- JSJason Stapleton
No, it's funny. When you talk about, uh, McGregor, one of the things that I was always... I really loved about him... He, he... You've got video of him going back to when he was a nobody from nowhere, and not only... What's always impressed me about him is that personality of his existed long before he was wearing the pants for it, right? Back when he did ecom- ... I mean, he hadn't won anything of, of note but he knew somewhere deep in his soul that he was gonna be, uh, the Muhammad Ali of the MMA world, and, and he went at it with a ferocity and with just a cold, unwavering belief that it was possible. And I just... I think that's necessary for any amount of success in life. You have to believe it, in yourself first before anybody else will believe it and, and before you're ever gonna be able to achieve what you want. And I, I, I... Uh, you know, people d- different... Some people love him, some people hate him. I absolutely love him as a fighter, but I love him more for the industry that he's built around himself. He's made himself into a true icon. And for anybody who studies influence or, or, uh, or brand building, man, he is somebody that you have to look at because he's just done it perfectly.
- CWChris Williamson
He's a beast, man. He really, really is.
- JSJason Stapleton
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, it's, uh... It's interesting that, right? Because I talk a lot about integrity and virtue and living your truth and speaking the truth, and in the same breath I can totally see that fake it till you make it or kind of believe it ahead of where your achievements are at is also a worthwhile and virtuous thing to do. You know? Like I-
- JSJason Stapleton
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... I genuinely believe that I could become the best podcaster in the UK. I think that there's episodes that I've put out that are some of the best content that's ever come out from the UK. An episode with Aubrey Marcus, maybe this one with you as well. And you know-
- JSJason Stapleton
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... like I, I feel proud of tha-... I don't feel like that's... I don't feel like that's being, um, unethical. I don't feel like I'm, I'm kidding myself or the people that I say that to. But you know, like leading first, leading with your confidence first, um, yeah, I think someone like Conor McGregor is a good, a good role model for that, you know. He's, he's living in his parents' attic on welfare, like, with the same missus that he's got now. Like just-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... some girl, some chick who's now, you know, got a husband that's worth probably 100 mil or plus, whatever it is, you know.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yup.
- CWChris Williamson
Crazy.
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I wonder how many…
- JSJason Stapleton
unreal. It has never been cheaper or easier to really take control of your life and, and to build your business, build your life the way you want it. And, um, and I said the second thing that I tell people is, you know, for the first time in human history, we get to consider personal fulfillment in what we do for work. And if you go back fif- even 50 years, the idea that your grandfather got up every day and went, "Hmm, I wonder what would fulfill me as a person today in the work that I do?" No. My grandfather's father was a farmer. He was a farmer. You know, my father went to law school 'cause that's what my da- my grandfather wanted him to do, right? So personal fulfillment wasn't even a consideration. And now in 2020 where we live today, there is... every single human being, especially watching this, has the ability to consider and to pursue personal fulfillment as part of what they do to earn their living, and I just, I think that's amazing. I, I just, I... other people look at this world and they're like, "Everybody's suffering, and everything's going to hell in a handbasket. It's all crap." And the, the truth is, I, I believe completely the opposite, and it's, I think it's one of the reasons that I've had more success maybe than a lot of people is because mentally my mindset is just one that says, "I'm surrounded by abundance. I'm surrounded by opportunity, and all I gotta do is figure out how to harness that and how to, how to bend it to me." And so that's what I try and get people to do first is to shift their mindset to one of "I'm surrounded by opportunity. I just have to figure out how to harness that and direct it towards me."
- CWChris Williamson
I wonder how many people struggle with this existential crisis, this lack of purpose and meaning, precisely because there is this paradox of choice now, you know? Like if you're not being fulfilled now, there are fewer excuses than there were 50 years ago.
- JSJason Stapleton
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
That's not to say that there aren't people who, you know, have disadvantages where they can't get themselves to the stage where work is joy for them and blah, blah. But there's fewer reasons for that, and there is more onus on you.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
There's a, a really interesting point by Alain de Botton from The School of Life where he talks about the modern world is a meritocracy, right? And if the successes of the people who do well are theirs to bear, that means that the failures of people who do badly must be also theirs to bear.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yes. Absolutely.
- CWChris Williamson
And you think, "Right." Now that is a very difficult pill to swallow.
- JSJason Stapleton
I, I oversimplify, as I do with most things, and I just say, you know, the most important phrase that you can learn is, "It's my fault." And if you will learn that everything, if you will accept responsibility for everything, I don't care whether it is your fault or not, just accept responsibility for it. What you're really saying is all the successes that I, that I'm in control of my life, that I, I get to direct where I want my life to go and what I want to have and what I want to be, and nobody can keep me from that. So if I'm not there right now, it's my fault. Far from being something that's negative, it's, it's very liberating because once you recognize that...... who you are, what you have, and, and what you want to achieve is completely up to you, it opens the world up. The problem is most people live a life of mediocrity somewhere between total failure and their true potential, and so they, as I say, they go only so far and then they park. And then they look at their life and they feel terrible about it because they don't have what they want, and instead of looking internally and saying, "What do I need to change about me?" they start pointing fingers externally and saying, "It's, ah, it's 'cause my boss doesn't like me," or, "Oh, because my dad didn't treat me right," or, "Because my mom, m- my mom didn't hug me enough," or whatever it is, it's something externally that is im- th- that's preventing them from going where they want to go and having what they want. And I say, you've got to have a mind shift there. You gotta have a shift that says, "No, no, no. I'm responsible. This is up to me. I get one run through life, and I'm, uh, at the end of the day, what, w- it's gonna be me who determines how far I go and not somebody else." And so "it's my fault" is a common phrase that I, my clients will hear me say all the time.
- CWChris Williamson
It's that Jocko video, isn't it? That famous "Good." You know?
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Like, that's it. It's-
- JSJason Stapleton
Isn't... I, I... Everybody talks about Jocko. I've never seen an interview with him. I've n- I haven't read his book. It's like I, I, I-
- CWChris Williamson
He's legitimate.
- JSJason Stapleton
... guess I should as much as he, uh, as much as he gets talked about.
- CWChris Williamson
He's good. So he did one that I would recommend if you want a first one that just completely throws you in the deep end and allows you to fully take a, like, Jocko in the ass is the one that he did with the Medal of Honor recipient. His name escapes me. Uh, Dakota Meyer, right?
- JSJason Stapleton
Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
And, um, him and Dakota, Dakota wrote this book, very, very heartfelt, and, um, (clears throat) he just talks through this particular experience where he was restricted by the powers that be for going back in to help people. He disobeys orders, he goes back in, and he just starts fishing people out and all this stuff's going on. But they... This is interesting, especially for you as a podcaster, and for everyone that's listening, it'll be linked in the show notes below. It's phenomenal, but I would listen to it on a day where you're feeling emotionally resilient because it's quite intense. Um, and it's the, a podcast which has got the best use of silence that I've ever heard. So they, they leave 20-second batches with nothing being said as they both just sit in this... allow this sort of sensation to swell as Jocko's reading passages from the book, um, that kind of provide structure to what they're talking about, and Jocko's got this, like, s- real growly, quite kind of, um, intense voice. And, uh, yet they, they're having this conversation. Man, it's, it, it... That one is a real... Especially for yourself with your, your military background, it'll be really, really, really cool. Um-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah. I'll, I'll definitely go check it out.
- CWChris Williamson
You need to. Um-
- JSJason Stapleton
Absolutely.
- CWChris Williamson
... the, uh, you were talking about the fact that people should take responsibility. Um, what do you think are some of the characteristics that you see in the highest performers within that domain, the people that take the most responsibility? What, what are, what's the sort of mindset that those people have, or what do they do, the sort of commonalities?
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah. That, that's a really good question. I, I think first and foremost, the people that I see who have the most success at life, and I'm not just talking about financial success, or wealth, health, happiness, relationships, all, all that stuff. First of all, they have very long time horizons. So what we tend to see across the board is people who are... people who come out of poverty. Let's take just people who were born into it and come out of it here in America. Um, they have very long time horizons. They're thinking 10 years, 20 years into the future. People with short time horizons, people who think only to the end of the week or the end of the month or till next payday, uh, tend to do very poorly, 'cause, uh, w- one of the things I see repeatedly of people who are very successful is that they are willing to, uh, they're willing to t- suffer the slings and arrows longer than most people. And, uh, you know, suffering and pain, th- these are o- really negative gr- uh, you know, gripping words, but what I really just mean is the ability to stick it out a- and, and go through the, the, the hard parts so they can get to the good part. Most people aren't willing to do that 'cause their time horizons are too short. So that's number one. Uh, second thing that I notice about, uh, really successful people is that they don't rely exclusively on their own, um, uh, the school of hard knocks to learn skill. So I'm, I'm very fond... I've, I've been really focused on, I'll give you an example, I've been really focused on YouTube advertising right now. I think it's a very underserved area where there can be a lot of money can be made.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm.
- JSJason Stapleton
And so I've been focusing a lot of time on that, and the very first thing I did when I knew I wanted to get up to speed on YouTube advertising and, and how it was being done was I went out and spent $1,000 on a YouTube course from a guy who was doing a lot of dr- really cool stuff in the space. I found the best guy I could to teach me how to do it, and I paid him. Why? Because that $1,000 is a, is a penance to what it's going to cost me if I have to go out and learn it all from scratch, both in terms of time and the cost of testing. So what I find the most successful people will do is when they wanna go faster, they'll write a check, and, um, uh, that's something that I've, I've, I've tried to do since the beginning of my career and, and it's something that I a- advise everybody else to... I'm, I'm a student first and foremost. I've always said, "I love being a student because eventually, uh, if I'm your student, I'm gonna know everything you know." And then I'm gonna know everything you know and everything I know-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JSJason Stapleton
... and I'm gonna know the most. Right? So this is kind of, this is my... I, I will buy your, I will buy your information, I will buy your time because in the end it leaves me better off. And so that, that's the second thing-
- CWChris Williamson
(clears throat)
- JSJason Stapleton
... that I see, uh, most people do. And then the third thing is, is that I think the most successful people that I ha- um, that I've seen in l- both life and business, um-... have a joy about it. For the longest time, I looked at my business as a war. It was something that I, I fought and gr- you know, got up every day and I had to win, like I had to win, you know, on the battlefield. And I remember, uh, I sat down with a friend of mine who was talking with me and teaching me a little bit about how he had built his business. He had a brick and mortar business. And he looked at his numbers every single week. Every week he looked at the numbers. And I said, "How do you do that every week?" He's like, "You're gonna be up and down all the time." He's like, "It's a game." He's like, "I don't win every week." But he's like, "It's fun to play. I come in and I, I look at my numbers every week, and every week I try and beat last week's numbers." And he said, "If I do that every week, I've had 20% growth, a steady 20% growth in my company every year since I opened it up in, like, 1981." To give you an idea of just how big this guy's operation is now. He said, "I've had 20% growth doing this every year without fail, come recession or prosperity it's, I, I always have it." And he said, "It's fun for me." Completely changed my way of looking at, um, my business and about life. It's just like, dude, life was meant to be lived abundantly. You're supposed to have fun at what you do. It shouldn't be a grind. You shouldn't hate it. And, uh, if it feels that way, you're doing something wrong. And so those are, I think those are the three things that, that really I notice about people that I admire and who I want to emulate i- as it comes to life and business.
- CWChris Williamson
Who was the YouTube course by?
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Mm-hmm. …
- JSJason Stapleton
make any money. Or if you shortcut it or if you expect to turn on your first ad and have it make you $100 and give you a five X return on ad spend, then, y- you know, you're dreaming, man. It, there's a, there's a learning curve involved with that. And so then they go out and they're angry because they're like, "I spent $1,000 on this thing and then I, I did what he said and the money didn't come in. Like, it didn't just print money day and night for me. So he's a terrible guy. What a liar and a cheat." And I'm just like, "Dude, I don't..."... that kind of thing really bothers me because having worked with clients for, you know, 10 or 11 years and seeing the successes versus the failures, um, the failures are almost always caused by the other person, not the course or the thing that they took. I- I mean, I, like I said, I've bought so much stuff. I'll buy it just to see what's in it.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JSJason Stapleton
I spent $4,000 on a course last year just to see what its backend funnel was, right? I just wanted to see. After I spend $4,000 to-
- CWChris Williamson
Just to funnel back what was going on, yeah, yeah.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah, yeah. I want to know what he's doing on the backend 'cause I know there's something back there, right? So, I do all kinds of stuff like that. And most of the time, 99% of the time, the course delivers, it's a, it's a decent course, it's gonna help you out. And the people who are complaining about it are just ... they're ... that's what they are, they're just complainers.
- CWChris Williamson
Compliance is number one, same with gym routines and meditation and-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... and stuff like that. Uh, it's interesting that you mentioned about finance. Have you followed the WallStreetBets Reddit subreddit? Do you know what this is?
- JSJason Stapleton
No. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, Jason, let me change your life, man. So r/wall-
- JSJason Stapleton
Hang on, what's it, what's the name of it?
- CWChris Williamson
It's r/WallStreetBets on Reddit. Um, and it's basically a subreddit that's blown up recently. I think, uh, Time Magazine or New York Times or something covered it a couple of weeks ago, and it's just a bunch of people that make insane calls in the market. Like, just ridiculous bets with-
- JSJason Stapleton
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... remortgage the house and do it just for internet points with a bunch of people that they're never gonna meet. And-
- JSJason Stapleton
I love it.
- CWChris Williamson
... some of the people-
- JSJason Stapleton
What a bunch of idiots.
- CWChris Williamson
M- Some of them turn ... they'll just be like, "Oh, I just made half a mil yesterday off this one thing." But then more often than not, people lose, and then there's a YouTube channel that does a collection each quarter of the dankest trades from WallStreetBets.
- JSJason Stapleton
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And it's, man, it's so phenome- once you're done, I want you to go in and have a look because it will blow you away. Um, but they were in the New York Times recently. They've been, um, almost even manipulating markets on penny stocks by, um, putting particular, uh, bits of advice into this huge subreddit with millions of people in it, and then just going onto Robinhood and pumping the shit out of this.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And there's like companies, there's companies that have 10Xed their value during, uh, this most recent period where we've had a lot of turbulence with the coronavirus stuff. And, um, there's, these companies have like 10Xed their value just like ... some random stationery company or whatever is that you can trade that someone's just popped in this subreddit. Man, it's so funny.
- JSJason Stapleton
Well, that's, that's not new. I remember when I first started trading, I traded penny stocks. And there are actually, there, there are teams of guys who will go around and they'll say ... and it only, uh, uh, it takes one guy who really has a following of people.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm.
- JSJason Stapleton
And he says, "Okay, we're all getting into this thing now," and you'll watch that thing go from five cents to 45 cents and, and then what happens is as it goes up, all the guys is, is, is small network of people ends up selling out as it's rallying, rallying, rallying. And then he says, "Okay, I'm out," and then the thing just crashes back down-
- CWChris Williamson
Someone's left holding it.
- JSJason Stapleton
... and everybody's got a ten- yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Did you see, um-
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It's make sure that…
- JSJason Stapleton
Well, you had three decades to figure that out, but you just chose not to do it. Well, we're having that same sort of evolution. That same transition is ha- is gonna happen in a multitude of industries as more technology, uh, and, and artificial intelligence begins to take over more of the repetitive work that we do as a society today. Now that's gonna open up a host of new opportunities for people to be creative and to engage in work that's fulfilling and, and exciting to them. But you're gonna have to learn some new skills to be able to make that transition, and the time to do that is not when they show up with your pink slip that says, "Hey, thanks for working here, but you've been replaced. You're fired." Right? That's not the time to start working on this stuff. And so that's kinda been my message. It's like, yes, a lot of people are gonna survive this, a lot of people are gonna do well, but it will be those people who are taking steps now and not waiting until they're out on the street.
- CWChris Williamson
It's make sure that you're one of them, right?
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah, exactly.
- CWChris Williamson
Make sure that you're one of the people who's there. So what are some of the skills? If you were to create a new human now and say, "I'm gonna imbue you with skills that I think are robust as we move forward over the next 10 and 20 years," what would they be?
- JSJason Stapleton
Um, if, if you got a, if, if I had a kid who was coming to me and saying, "Hey, I'm, I'm thinking about, uh, graduating high school. What skills do I need?" and he didn't really know what he wanted to do, I would... The first thing I would do is tell him to learn how to code. Um, whatever the common coding language is of the day, it's, it's the best language that you can learn because it does involve a great deal of creativity, just like writing. Uh, i- if you become a, a really good writer, uh, and creative writer is a, is a powerful tool. Uh, a good coder, someone who is good at that and has c- and, and can see the creativity of it, um, can, can do really well. Uh, the other stuff I would focus on is, what are the jobs that will still be in high demand even after repetitive work takes over b- is taken over by, uh, automation? And those are gonna be the jobs that require some sort of creativity, art, science, um, uh, things like i- information. I happen to think - and I'm, I'm somewhat biased when I say this, so I apologize to your audience - but I happen to think that the best business in the world that anybody can get involved in is the, uh, call it the, uh, knowledge business, the information business, the consulting or coaching business, um, because we all are good at something and it's a very cheap and easy business to get started with high profit margins. And it's also something that's gonna be in a high demand in years to come because as, again, as technology evolves and it becomes, uh, and it evolves quicker and faster, colleges will not be able to keep up. And you're already seeing a lot of con, uh, a lot of companies that are saying, "You know what? We don't really need this college degree anymore. We, we, I don't know what we were thinking here, but this check in the box is really unnecessary. What we want are people with drive and skill. That's what we really need." And people are getting that from places other than college. I never went to college, and when I wanted to learn how to do YouTube advertising, I didn't go and take a college course on it at night class, right? I went and I found somebody who's doing it right now, who's successful at it, and I paid him to teach me everything that he knew, and I paid him a lot less than I would have paid and it's in a lot less time than going to a college class. And so, um, I think it's a new industry and, uh, we're, it... It's already like $220,000, uh, an hour gets spent on information by small businesses alone in America, and I think that that's only gonna grow over the next 10 to 20 years. It's good business and, uh, and it's one I know inside and out.
- CWChris Williamson
So I got coding...... we've got creative work which is-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yup.
- CWChris Williamson
... art, poetry, science, copywriting, marketing I'm gonna guess as well would be in this.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah. Photography is another great one. Anything that requires a, uh, uh, y- requires something other than repetitive skill. It requires a uniqueness, uh, uh, to it that, uh, that won't be able to be created by artificial intelligence, at least in our lifetime.
- CWChris Williamson
What else do we do to survive the 21st century?
- JSJason Stapleton
Um, spend less than you make and invest the rest in things that you understand. Uh, there are a lot of books been written over the last 20 years on personal finance and it can be reduced down to those two things.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JSJason Stapleton
Spend less than you make. Save and invest the rest in things that you understand. And if you don't understand anything enough to save or invest in it, then you need to be investing in you. Build your human capital, your store of knowledge and skill that gives you value to the market. Um, those are the things that will protect you over the long term. Your, your, um, someone else's desire for you, for your knowledge or skill is what keeps you safe in a changing environment. Okay? Um, it is not y- It's not a union that protects a worker, it's employers. The number one thing that protects a worker are 10 other people who want that worker to come work for them. That's what really protects you. And the greater your... And, and the more marketable your skills, the more unique those talents are that you have, um, the more in demand you will be and the higher you'll, the higher you'll be able to charge for those skills.
- CWChris Williamson
Well-
- JSJason Stapleton
So, um, focus on that as your primary mission and what you'll find is that you'll never be out of work, you'll always be in high demand, and you'll always be pushing the maximum of what you can charge in your industry.
- CWChris Williamson
Look, Cal Newport's book, Be So Good They Can't Ignore You.
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah. Y- That's funny. I've... (laughs) I always have a version of these. Like mine's like, mine's like, uh, be, be So Valuable That they could Let Everybody Else at the Company Go But You.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JSJason Stapleton
I just be like-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Good.
- JSJason Stapleton
... "We can let everybody go, but we can't let Tom go."
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JSJason Stapleton
"If Tom goes, we might as well shutter the company because I can't do it without him." Right?
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, yeah.
- JSJason Stapleton
You need to be that guy.
- CWChris Williamson
You wanna be Tom. Be Tom.
- JSJason Stapleton
But, you know... So, (laughs) what-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Uh, it's, it's, it's interesting-
- JSJason Stapleton
Yeah, be Tom.
- CWChris Williamson
It's interesting that you said about the, uh, about the personal finance thing. I recently had Morgan Housel on. You know Morgan from Collaborative Fund? And-
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Couldn't agree more. Jason,…
- JSJason Stapleton
the truth is, you want to surround yourself with people who are like that, um, industrious, successful, uh, uh, people who you can draw from and who you can add value to. So yeah, absolutely.
- CWChris Williamson
Couldn't agree more. Jason, man, we made it. We made it through. We did it.
- JSJason Stapleton
Man, I really enjoyed this. Thank you so much for having me on the show.
- CWChris Williamson
It was sick, man. Where should people head? They wanna check out your stuff. Where do they go?
- JSJason Stapleton
Uh, well, the, the, the show I keep referencing is called Wealth, Power, and Influence, and you can get it wherever you get your podcasts. And then, um, if you want to know more about this, if any of this sounded interesting to you, I got a great, like, two-hour, uh, uh, presentation that I gave to about 600 of my clients, uh, uh, just not maybe a month ago. Um, and, uh, you just go to controlthesource.com, controlthesource.com. It's basically just designed to help, um, people discover what w- uh, it helps with the negative feedback loops and stuff that people d- struggle with, and it also helps them kind of, uh, figure out what they're good at. So what are those n- the knowledge and skill that you already possess? What, what is the stuff that's the creativity that you have? 'Cause a lot of people say, "I don't know what I would do. I'm not good at anything." Well, that's nonsense, and, uh, and after the presentation they can, uh, uh, it kind of helps draw that out and helps put them on a path. And so, um, I had a lot of fun teaching it. They ... People got a lot out of it. So have them go check that out at Control The Source. And, uh, yeah, those are the two things.
- CWChris Williamson
Awesome, man. Everything that we've spoken about, we will link to in the show notes below. You already know what to do: like, share, and subscribe. But for now, Jason, man, thank you so much for your time.
- JSJason Stapleton
Oh, thank you for having me. Really appreciate it.
- NANarrator
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