Power Changed the Right Faster Than Anyone Expected - Brett Cooper (4K)

1. 0:00 – 8:14

   Is the MAGA Movement Dying?

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      What are your thoughts on the conservative civil war that seems to be happening?

   2. BCBrett Cooper0:05

      Starting off strong, huh? Oh, gosh. Um, you know, I think that it is... Obviously, there are a lot of issues that people are debating, think that have caused this schism that we're seeing. But I think that there are a lot of people that are arguing and fighting in good faith. I think that there are a lot of people online who think that these are just, like, bad actors on both sides who are going after each other. I look at it as there are these groups of people, they're extremely passionate. They have an idea of, you know, the direction our country in this, you know, movement and party should go. And they're worried about, you know, one side taking too much power, of the radicals taking control of, you know, of us getting too involved in foreign affairs, whatever it might be. And so I look at it as something that is... Not that the civil war is a positive, but that there are good people fighting it.

   3. CWChris Williamson0:57

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BCBrett Cooper0:58

      Uh, so I think that makes it a little more nuanced.

   5. CWChris Williamson1:00

      That's a very diplomatic way to start. Yeah, well done. Disclaimer done.

   6. BCBrett Cooper1:04

      Yep. But I also think that... I think my big issue with it is when it comes down to the issue of free speech and hypocrisy on the right. That's what I've been talking about a lot, is that we've spent so many years railing against the purity tests, and we're not gonna dig up people's social media and cancel them. We're not gonna take things out of context. We don't do that. We're better than that. Like, we celebrate when somebody, you know, refuses to bend the knee to the mob. And then the same thing is happening on the right, and they're demanding that somebody be, you know, is canceled and deplatformed because that person platformed somebody that you don't like. Or now, you know, when I talked about it on the show today, just really get into it, is Tucker Carlson's son works for JD Vance.

   7. CWChris Williamson1:46

      No.

   8. BCBrett Cooper1:47

      I don't know if you knew that.

   9. CWChris Williamson1:47

      No.

   10. BCBrett Cooper1:48

       And they're now asking his son to disavow his father.

   11. CWChris Williamson1:53

       (laughs)

   12. BCBrett Cooper1:54

       Must make a statement about his father. Well, like, how have we gotten to this?

   13. CWChris Williamson1:58

       Yeah.

   14. BCBrett Cooper1:58

       And I said this on the show, but it reminds me so much of... Do you remember when Sydney Sweeney went viral for her mom having a Make 60 Great Again birthday party?

   15. CWChris Williamson2:06

       No.

   16. BCBrett Cooper2:07

       Okay, it was, like, 2022, I think. These photos made their way around Reddit and X and all of the things, and people saw her at, you know, a birthday party celebrating her mom, and there were, like, MAGA-looking hats in the background, and everybody lost their shit. And it turns out it was Make 60 Great Again. And she took a photo with one, some relative who was wearing a Thin Blue Line T-shirt, and that just exploded it even more, and she had to make this statement.

   17. CWChris Williamson2:31

       Ah.

   18. BCBrett Cooper2:31

       And she basically said, "Guys, like, get over it." She was like, "I'm like, I'm not gonna disavow my family. I don't really care. Um, it was a celebration for my mom, and that's all that matters." And the right was like, "Yes, this is so amazing."

   19. CWChris Williamson2:43

       (laughs)

   20. BCBrett Cooper2:43

       "She's an inspiration. This is how you handle these types of things. You know, her values don't necessarily need to represent her family. This is great. You know, she loves her family." And now here we are, like, demanding Tucker Carlson's son, like, condemn his father.

   21. CWChris Williamson2:55

       The Carlson silence is deafening.

   22. BCBrett Cooper2:57

       Yeah. So, anyway... So I just think it's all a bit ridiculous. I would rather people air out their ideas and debate them.

   23. CWChris Williamson3:06

       Ah.

   24. BCBrett Cooper3:06

       I think sunlight is the best disinfectant. If you hate somebody's ideas, like, let them speak and see what people think about them. I think that there is a, uh, a bit of a Streisand effect going on as well, that we'll always say, "Don't... Like, don't listen to this. Don't listen to that person."

   25. CWChris Williamson3:20

       Yep.

   26. BCBrett Cooper3:21

       Especially with my generation, everybody's gonna go like...

   27. CWChris Williamson3:23

       Exactly, I'm gonna go on Rumble and I'm gonna see what's happening, yeah.

   28. BCBrett Cooper3:26

       Yeah. So, I, that's, those are my thoughts on it.

   29. CWChris Williamson3:29

       What I'm interested in is why the unity we saw for probably the last four years has started to splinter apart. And my-

   30. BCBrett Cooper3:37

       Yeah.
2. 8:14 – 22:38

   Do the Right Think Trump is Succeeding?

   1. BCBrett Cooper8:14

   2. CWChris Williamson8:14

      What would you say are the factions that are splintering off? How do you come to think about the terrain of-

   3. BCBrett Cooper8:20

      Yeah.

   4. CWChris Williamson8:20

      ... like the right at the moment?

   5. BCBrett Cooper8:22

      I think we have what I would call, like, the establishment neocons, um, you know, the politicians that have been office for God knows how long. Um, and then I think we have the, you know, the younger, I would say, the cooler right that is, you know, pro-Israel. So it's not like they are these neocons that have been in office, but they are pro-Israel. And then I think you have, okay, maybe there's four. And then you have people that, you know, they say are more far right. Um, maybe you could put them in the camp of Fuentes, maybe he's in a camp of his own-

   6. CWChris Williamson8:59

      Hmm.

   7. BCBrett Cooper9:00

      ... um, who are anti-Israel. That's really caused-

   8. CWChris Williamson9:03

      Mm-hmm.

   9. BCBrett Cooper9:03

      That's really been the biggest break.

   10. CWChris Williamson9:04

       Who's the pro-Israel one? Who's in that group?

   11. BCBrett Cooper9:07

       Um, I see that as, like, the Babylon Bee guys, Ben Shapiro. Um, and then I think you have people that are a bit more in the middle, like the Megyn Kellys and where I think Charlie Kirk was, who are actively trying to keep everybody together-

   12. CWChris Williamson9:22

       Mm-hmm.

   13. BCBrett Cooper9:22

       ... and who don't really fall in either or any of these camps and want to continue pushing the party forward and are working on unifying and bringing people together-

   14. CWChris Williamson9:31

       Mm-hmm.

   15. BCBrett Cooper9:32

       ... um, and who have critiques with both of these groups. Um, but often the people that sit in the middle, as we're seeing with Megyn Kelly, like, she isn't good enough for either group. She gets criticized by people who are further right, the gropers, Nick Fuentes, whatever it might be, but she also, you know, is not pro-Israel enough for, uh, the people in that faction. And so she's constantly-

   16. CWChris Williamson9:54

       So it feels like a purity test.

   17. BCBrett Cooper9:55

       Yes. And so she's constantly ping-bonging... ping-ponging back and forth. I think that she's doing a very good job of handling it right now, and she's really trying to maintain her personal close relationships, which I think is important above all else.

   18. CWChris Williamson10:07

       Mm-hmm.

   19. BCBrett Cooper10:07

       She's obviously been in this world for a long time, and she has friends on all different sides of, you know, these issues and in the admin and out of the admin, which is in a tough spot.

   20. CWChris Williamson10:16

       Mm-hmm.

   21. BCBrett Cooper10:17

       But it's been interesting to watch her navigate.

   22. CWChris Williamson10:21

       Mm-hmm.

   23. BCBrett Cooper10:22

       And I'm learning a lot from that, uh, because I do think that she's handling it gracefully.

   24. CWChris Williamson10:27

       Well, handling it badly is not too hard to do. And we've seen enough people-

   25. BCBrett Cooper10:31

       Yeah.

   26. CWChris Williamson10:31

       ... that have face-planted or put both of their feet in their mouths-

   27. BCBrett Cooper10:34

       Yeah.

   28. CWChris Williamson10:34

       ... uh, in an attempt to try and, like... I don't know. I, I... We've definitely seen a lot of people be very gregarious when you're on the outside, this sort of anarchistic, uh, w- we must at any-

   29. BCBrett Cooper10:46

       Mm-hmm.

   30. CWChris Williamson10:47

       ... any way, "I'm, I'm part of the rebellion."
3. 22:38 – 33:27

   What Mamdani’s Win Means for the US

   1. CWChris Williamson22:38

      what do you think Mamdani's, uh, election tells us or teaches us? What did you take away from that?

   2. BCBrett Cooper22:44

      Um... Well, first of all, I saw a lot of people responding and going, you know, "This means that we need to teach young people about the dangers of socialism and communism," and that's what, you know, that's the response here. I actually don't think that people were voting for him in large part because they were all socialists. Like, I don't think the majority of New Yorkers are socialists. They were voting for him, number one, 'cause he preached about affordability-

   3. CWChris Williamson23:08

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BCBrett Cooper23:09

      ... and the economy. Again, that is the number one issue. It's the number one issue in 2024. It's what Trump talked about basically every single day on the campaign trail. It's why he won. It's why people are desperate for him to deliver and are still, you know, trying to be hopeful. Um, and it's hard to argue with free when you're saying, "I'm gonna give-"

   5. CWChris Williamson23:23

      (laughs)

   6. BCBrett Cooper23:23

      "... free housing and free groceries." We're gonna do all of these things. People are gonna go, "That sounds really great-"

   7. CWChris Williamson23:29

      It's the best.

   8. BCBrett Cooper23:29

      "... 'cause things are really fricking expensive." So it's like, it, it wasn't surprising to me at all.

   9. CWChris Williamson23:33

      Mm-hmm.

   10. BCBrett Cooper23:34

       I also had a lot of people asking, you know, "Were you shocked that young women voted for him?" No. Like, young women are the most far-left group in history. They are also worried about the economy and affordability. Those two things combined, like, obviously, they were gonna vote for him. They are, you know, much further left on all these social issues.

   11. CWChris Williamson23:48

       Mm-hmm.

   12. BCBrett Cooper23:49

       Um, so no, I think that it just solidifies the fact that the number one thing people are concerned about is their futures and the economy and obviously affordability.

   13. CWChris Williamson23:58

       Hmm.

   14. BCBrett Cooper23:58

       And I also think it solidifies the fact that politics really is about personality. And I think that we saw a major shift, especially with Obama and the, you know, I grew up during the Obama years. And just looking back, he brought politics into pop culture, and he became this pop culture figure. And then with Trump, obviously he is an entertainer. He connects with people on that level.

   15. CWChris Williamson24:24

       He brought pop culture into politics.

   16. BCBrett Cooper24:25

       Yes. And...... and I think that that still rings true and pe- you know, they tried to run Cuomo thinking that he could beat somebody like Mamdani who was going viral every single day on social media, who genuinely looks like he enjoyed the campaign trail. That was the similarities that I saw with Trump and Mamdani. I think that they're, you know, two different sides of the same coin of, like, Trump loves the fight. He loves being out there, you know, the adages, you know, shaking hands and kissing babies. He loves being the McDonald's fry cook and doing the gags and getting in the garbage trucks, whatever it is. Mamdani loves doing the same thing. I, when we got to New York a couple weeks ago, Alex and I were in New York for the, for that election, actually 'cause I had a show there and was doing a bunch of stuff with Fox, and the moment that we landed there, my TikTok algorithm completely shifted to show me all New York stuff.

   17. CWChris Williamson25:19

       No way.

   18. BCBrett Cooper25:19

       And I had been kind of tuned out. And we got there on Sunday and I was like, "Oh, obviously," the moment I opened TikTok I was like, "He's gonna win." Because I got served these ridiculous videos that Cuomo was making. They were, like, AI attacks on Mamdani. He wasn't actually out in the streets interacting with anybody. Apparently, allegedly he hasn't even lived in New York City since the '90s and he was using his daughter's address to register himself to be able to run, like a whole weird thing, and Mamdani, like, is this New Yorker and he's speaking to New Yorkers and I remember sitting in our hotel room and a video popped up of Mamdani and he was doing, like, Tai Chi in a old folks home in New York-

   19. CWChris Williamson25:57

       Huh.

   20. BCBrett Cooper25:57

       ... with a bunch of, like, old, like, female New Yorkers. And whoever had posted it had put this, like, really sad, like, TikTok music behind it and I was laying in bed watching it and I was like, "Oh, he's kind of cute." Alex was like, "Shut the fuck up." Like (laughs) it was like-

   21. CWChris Williamson26:09

       (laughs) they're getting you. That's how they get you.

   22. BCBrett Cooper26:10

       Yeah, exactly. They were like, "Turn it off! Don't look at it!" But it showed me a lot because I was like, oh no, he is the entertainer. He's connecting in the same way that Trump connected with voters where he is just, like, speaking like a normal human being. Trump, the appeal of him to so many people, especially, you know, I love this about him, is that he has more money than most of us could even fathom having. He has this insane life. He lives in these, like, gold-plated mansions and penthouses, and yet he looks completely comfortable driving a trash truck. He can talk to the average American. Um, you feel heard and seen by him. You feel like he understands your issues.

   23. CWChris Williamson26:43

       Mm.

   24. BCBrett Cooper26:43

       He's funny, he's relatable. And Mamdani has that same, has those same attributes.

   25. CWChris Williamson26:47

       Mm.

   26. BCBrett Cooper26:48

       Meanwhile, Cuomo was probably the most, like, stiff, ridiculous, you know, unrelatable politician ever.

   27. CWChris Williamson26:54

       Mm.

   28. BCBrett Cooper26:55

       Um, and it was also unfortunate to me that, like, that, that's who the GOP told us to throw our support behind. It's like, "This is the best alternate." Like, I'm tired of having, like, the better of two evils basically. Um, so I wasn't surprised that he won. I think it shows us that people care about personality, they care about authenticity, and they care about affordability. They want free things.

   29. CWChris Williamson27:15

       When it comes to the affordability point, politicians that are the challenger always have an advantage because they can make promises that they haven't had to deliver on yet.

   30. BCBrett Cooper27:26

       Yeah.
4. 33:27 – 44:39

   How Can Politicians Win Over Gen Z?

   1. CWChris Williamson33:27

      actually. What do you think conservatives and Republicans are missing in how they can better compete for Gen Z if you've got this huge female swing-

   2. BCBrett Cooper33:39

      Yeah.

   3. CWChris Williamson33:39

      ... I'm aware it's New York-centric-

   4. BCBrett Cooper33:42

      Mm-hmm.

   5. CWChris Williamson33:42

      ... but, uh, it's probably indicative of other cosmopolitan areas around the country.

   6. BCBrett Cooper33:46

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CWChris Williamson33:48

      What are the right missing that Mamdani got correct?

   8. BCBrett Cooper33:53

      Again, I th- I think it goes back to saying the right things, unfortunately. Like, it's like the right has to deliver. Like, that's easier said than done, but we're at such a turning point, as we've been talking about, um, that I think people, especially in New York ci- especially people who are on the left, were desperate for something new because I think people on the left, uh, are just as fed up with their own establishment politicians. They were, you know, they didn't want Kamala to be insated. I think they were tired of the fact that Bernie never got a fair shot 'cause they-

   9. CWChris Williamson34:21

      Mm-hmm.

   10. BCBrett Cooper34:21

       ... primary whatever it is, they primaried him. And so I think that th- we're dealing, we're all dealing with the same type of feelings.

   11. CWChris Williamson34:28

       Mm.

   12. BCBrett Cooper34:28

       And Mamdani was an outsider and a disruptor, and so I think that worked-

   13. CWChris Williamson34:34

       Mm.

   14. BCBrett Cooper34:34

       ... in the same way that Trump worked in 2016. And so, I do think that it comes down to what Trump and Vance are able to deliver, and I also think if Vance is the nominee in 2028, his messaging has to be so incredibly clear and he cannot fall prey to, you know, the neocon messaging, um, the-

   15. CWChris Williamson34:56

       What would be, what would be the biggest error, errors that he could make in a m- if you were to design-

   16. BCBrett Cooper35:00

       Yeah.

   17. CWChris Williamson35:00

       ... a campaign for JD to fail as, uh-

   18. BCBrett Cooper35:02

       Yes.

   19. CWChris Williamson35:03

       ... uh, impressively as possible, what would he be talking about?

   20. BCBrett Cooper35:06

       Um, I think a big part of it would be tone and talking down to people. Uh, I think that's one way that he shines right now is that JD Vance s- sounds the same when he is speaking to a supporter in middle of America. He sounds the same when he's speaking to a reporter. He tweets in the same way. He doesn't take himself too seriously. I think that is a great quality, and I think if he loses that and becomes a bit too, uh, I guess politician-speak and a bit too diplomatic, I think that that's where he'll start to lose people, again, because politics is personality, so I think that is like going to be the driving force here. Um, I think if he t- talks a lot about foreign affairs, I think if he's saying, "We're gonna send all of our money overseas," I think that's gonna be a, a problem for young people because again, if we're looking at our own country and going, you know, if my generation is saying, "I don't feel like I can buy a house. I am, you know, under all of this debt. Um, my taxes are so high I can't start a family," whatever it is, if that is the attitude that they have and what they feel like their reality is, the last thing they wanna hear is, "Hey, we're shipping our money overseas."

   21. CWChris Williamson36:08

       Mm.

   22. BCBrett Cooper36:08

       Um, and so I think that's going to be a real pressing issue. Um, I also think, and I said this in a recent episode and I was interested to see how people responded to it and they actually agreed, but I kind of made a joke and I was like, "I don't think my generation cares as much about owning the libs. They care about owning a house." And the culture war is obviously important-

   23. CWChris Williamson36:29

       Mm.

   24. BCBrett Cooper36:29

       ... but it felt less important in Mamdani's campaign-... and I think that showed a lot. Like, obviously, he was like, "You can come here and you can get your gender reassignment surgeries," whatever. But that wasn't the key point of his campaign.

   25. CWChris Williamson36:41

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BCBrett Cooper36:41

       He was talking about making your life better-

   27. CWChris Williamson36:43

       Interesting, he was, he was-

   28. BCBrett Cooper36:44

       ... for all New Yorkers.

   29. CWChris Williamson36:44

       ... very radical economically, but relatively normal culturally.

   30. BCBrett Cooper36:48

       I guess cult- uh, normal culturally for his base.
5. 44:39 – 50:32

   How Immigration is Reshaping Politics

   1. BCBrett Cooper44:39

      to go about it.

   2. CWChris Williamson44:40

      What feels more unstable to you, politics or culture at the moment?

   3. BCBrett Cooper44:44

      Can you even separate the two? I think that's my main question.

   4. CWChris Williamson44:47

      Yeah.

   5. BCBrett Cooper44:47

      They're so intertwined. Um, I think culture is more dominant at the moment and is influencing more of politics. So, I would say that's just a bit more volatile.

   6. CWChris Williamson44:59

      Well, when we think about my initial fracturing of the right question, we're talking about culture. We're not talking about pol-

   7. BCBrett Cooper45:05

      Yeah, we're not talking about-

   8. CWChris Williamson45:06

      The right.

   9. BCBrett Cooper45:06

      Yes.

   10. CWChris Williamson45:07

       Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, like, the YouTube right.

   11. BCBrett Cooper45:09

       Yes, yeah.

   12. CWChris Williamson45:09

       Right? I don't mean (laughs) I don't mean the pol- the political right, fucking-

   13. BCBrett Cooper45:12

       The real people, yeah.

   14. CWChris Williamson45:12

       It's, um, it's the end of the human centipede with YouTube at the front.

   15. BCBrett Cooper45:16

       Yeah.

   16. CWChris Williamson45:16

       Um-

   17. BCBrett Cooper45:17

       No, that's what's so ridiculous. It's like, oh, the civil war, and it's like with a, a group of people on X.

   18. CWChris Williamson45:21

       And you can make videos.

   19. BCBrett Cooper45:22

       Yeah, exactly, yeah.

   20. CWChris Williamson45:22

       Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah, wild.

   21. BCBrett Cooper45:24

       Everybody's competing for views and, and dominance.

   22. CWChris Williamson45:27

       Uh, y- you've got a quote, "Spend one day being grateful that you are allowed to say that online, that you are allowed to criticize your country, because a lot of people don't have that freedom." Now, that would sound like, you know, you're talking about Iran, you're talking about North Korea.

   23. BCBrett Cooper45:41

       Mm-hmm.

   24. CWChris Williamson45:42

       Unfortunately now you might be talking about the UK as well.

   25. BCBrett Cooper45:45

       Yes.

   26. CWChris Williamson45:45

       Um, just that quote in isolation-

   27. BCBrett Cooper45:48

       Yeah.

   28. CWChris Williamson45:49

       ... and then realizing, oh, that, that's my country.

   29. BCBrett Cooper45:53

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson45:53

       That's actually my country.
6. 50:32 – 56:42

   Why Optimism Feels Outdated

   1. CWChris Williamson50:32

      It does feel like, from every different angle, hopefulness is increasingly hard. Like-

   2. BCBrett Cooper50:38

      Yes.

   3. CWChris Williamson50:38

      ... optimism is more radical than nihilism-

   4. BCBrett Cooper50:40

      Oh, for sure.

   5. CWChris Williamson50:41

      ... at the moment. And, uh, it- it- it really doesn't surprise me. Do you see the, uh, sentiment analysis of the relationship advice subreddit? Has this come across your radar?

   6. BCBrett Cooper50:50

      No.

   7. CWChris Williamson50:50

      This stinks of you.

   8. BCBrett Cooper50:51

      (laughs)

   9. CWChris Williamson50:53

      Um-

   10. BCBrett Cooper50:53

       I don't think it should.

   11. CWChris Williamson50:53

       ... relationships, it's never been more fashionable to ditch your suboptimal loved one.

   12. BCBrett Cooper50:57

       Mm-hmm.

   13. CWChris Williamson50:57

       For every post since 2010, a computer scientist used an AI to filter for and then categorize the subreddit's most upvoted comments.

   14. BCBrett Cooper51:05

       Mm-hmm.

   15. CWChris Williamson51:06

       He found the comments advising boundaries, therapies, and breakups have surged-

   16. BCBrett Cooper51:09

       Yeah.

   17. CWChris Williamson51:10

       ... while nearly every other kind of advice telling people to communicate, giving each other space, compromise, et cetera, has declined. So the law was correct. Telling people to walk away or cut contact with someone, shown by an up and to the right line, is the most popular tip in the relationship advice subreddit, and it's not even close. And I can show you-

   18. BCBrett Cooper51:25

       Yes, I wanna see.

   19. CWChris Williamson51:26

       ... what the line looks like.

   20. BCBrett Cooper51:27

       That doesn't surprise me at all.

   21. CWChris Williamson51:28

       So this is 15 years of Reddit relationship advice.

   22. BCBrett Cooper51:31

       Okay.

   23. CWChris Williamson51:31

       It's over a million comments. Um, you don't even need to be able to see.

   24. BCBrett Cooper51:37

       Oh my gosh, that's insane.

   25. CWChris Williamson51:38

       Yeah.

   26. BCBrett Cooper51:40

       But I mean, that- that is a complete parallel to what we're seeing in politics, where it's like, "Oh, just cut off your family, disavow your parents." Just a couple-

   27. CWChris Williamson51:49

       Well, we're about to go into Thanksgiving, which is where you get the-

   28. BCBrett Cooper51:52

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson51:52

       ... uh, how to ignore your racist maggot uncle-

   30. BCBrett Cooper51:56

       Yeah.
7. 56:42 – 1:04:21

   Has Ozempic Shown Body Positivity as a Scam?

   1. CWChris Williamson56:42

      Cut off contact with your family or partner is socially and relationally the exact same philosophy as body positivity is for health.

   2. BCBrett Cooper56:53

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CWChris Williamson56:53

      It's like try and become thin or try and become healthy, at a healthy weight, and if you can't, declare that weight has no bearing on health anyway.

   4. BCBrett Cooper57:02

      Yeah. Exactly.

   5. CWChris Williamson57:03

      So maybe don't even try, don't even try that. Just like declare that it doesn't, in any case, if you go straight to the end, th- the end goal. Uh, but the same thing here. Maybe some people might try to fix their relationship with their family that they fundamentally disagree with or whatever. But if you can't, you can just cut off contact and announce that the desire for having a family or being in connection with your brothers and mother and father is misguided and must be subdued in any case.

   6. BCBrett Cooper57:26

      Yeah. Well, it all goes back to creating the reality that you wanna live in and what you're most comfortable in. It is more uncomfortable to say, "I don't agree with these people, but I love them and I want them in my life." It is more uncomfortable to say, "Oh, I've cut these people off and now I'm really unhappy and I'm really lonely." So if you can trick yourself into saying, "This is empowerment, this is great, actually everybody should be doing this," then you're creating this really unhappy reality.

   7. CWChris Williamson57:49

      Body posi- body positivity in the age of Ozempic is a really radical position to take now.

   8. BCBrett Cooper57:53

      Yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson57:53

      Like, Ozempic just showed how much of a scam body positivity was all along.

   10. BCBrett Cooper57:57

       Oh my gosh, yes.

   11. CWChris Williamson57:58

       As soon as the Golden-

   12. BCBrett Cooper57:59

       Did you see Amy Schumer's recent photos?

   13. CWChris Williamson58:00

       No.

   14. BCBrett Cooper58:01

       Oh, she's-

   15. CWChris Williamson58:03

       Stick thin?

   16. BCBrett Cooper58:03

       Yeah, the wind could blow her away. (laughs)

   17. CWChris Williamson58:06

       (laughs)

   18. BCBrett Cooper58:06

       She's like Meghan Trainor. She's no longer all about that bass. She's like this big.

   19. CWChris Williamson58:09

       (sighs)

   20. BCBrett Cooper58:11

       Lizzo's lost the weight. Mm-hmm.

   21. CWChris Williamson58:12

       Lizzo has lost the weight, yeah. I mean, Adele did it in the before times.

   22. BCBrett Cooper58:16

       Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson58:17

       You know, she did it through health and fitness. Interestingly-

   24. BCBrett Cooper58:20

       And she looks phenomenal.

   25. CWChris Williamson58:21

       She looks fantastic. Uh, interestingly, I wonder whether Adele's weight loss would be more or less accepted by her fans now. I don't know whether part of the reason that Adele's weight loss was seen as such a objectionable middle finger-

   26. BCBrett Cooper58:39

       Mm-hmm.

   27. CWChris Williamson58:40

       ... to her fans that she did it with a resource, with a fuel-

   28. BCBrett Cooper58:47

       Mm-hmm.

   29. CWChris Williamson58:47

       ... that is even less accessible to most people, because she did it with discipline-

   30. BCBrett Cooper58:52

       Yep.
8. 1:04:21 – 1:14:01

   Why Changing Your Beliefs is So Hard

   1. CWChris Williamson1:04:21

   2. BCBrett Cooper1:04:21

      It is a choice.

   3. CWChris Williamson1:04:21

      (clears throat) The hypocrisy thing of, um, you made this position and now you've reversed this position, didn't, hasn't Alex Cooper come out recently in support of, support of something to do with relationships, like, you should be monogamous, you shouldn't have casual sex? Did this not happen recently?

   4. BCBrett Cooper1:04:42

      Yes. She had something, uh, it was even, like, four days ago-

   5. CWChris Williamson1:04:46

      Yes.

   6. BCBrett Cooper1:04:46

      ... or five days ago where she-

   7. CWChris Williamson1:04:47

      Yes.

   8. BCBrett Cooper1:04:47

      ... did a... I should have watched it and prepped for this. But no, she... It was one of her sit down, like, straight to camera talking to her daddy gang, um, and it was talking about what to look for, I believe-

   9. CWChris Williamson1:05:01

      Mm-hmm.

   10. BCBrett Cooper1:05:01

       ... in a partner-

   11. CWChris Williamson1:05:02

       Mm-hmm.

   12. BCBrett Cooper1:05:02

       ... and why, I think, uh, why her mind changed about being married and what to look for.

   13. CWChris Williamson1:05:08

       Well, that-

   14. BCBrett Cooper1:05:09

       And she's already publicly changed her mind about, I mean, she changed her mind by getting married, that was radical in and of itself. We talked about that the last time I was on.

   15. CWChris Williamson1:05:15

       Mm-hmm.

   16. BCBrett Cooper1:05:16

       Um, and then she had a few months ago where she talked about wanting children, and then she kind of took a step back because she didn't want to sacrifice her life. Um, it's like she's inching, she's inching there, um-

   17. CWChris Williamson1:05:29

       One step, one step at a time-

   18. BCBrett Cooper1:05:30

       Yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson1:05:30

       ... she does seem like she's moving in that way. Yeah, the, uh-

   20. BCBrett Cooper1:05:33

       But there always has to be the caveat, like, for her audience of, I guess I don't know if caveat is the right word, but-

   21. CWChris Williamson1:05:39

       Disclaimer type thing?

   22. BCBrett Cooper1:05:41

       Yes.

   23. CWChris Williamson1:05:42

       Well, I'm not-

   24. BCBrett Cooper1:05:43

       Yeah.

   25. CWChris Williamson1:05:43

       ... like, this-

   26. BCBrett Cooper1:05:43

       I'm not telling you yet and I'm not saying-

   27. CWChris Williamson1:05:44

       It's this land acknowled-

   28. BCBrett Cooper1:05:45

       ... that I'm really happy- Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson1:05:46

       It's this social land acknowledgement that you need to do before. Look, I, I, I think the last time that I was on, I, I did throw my toes out of the pram about the Alex Cooper thing.

   30. BCBrett Cooper1:05:55

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 1:53:01