The Dark Truth About The Trump Assassination Attempt - Tim Kennedy

1. 0:00 – 6:12

   How Has America Come to This?

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      Busy weekend. (laughs) Busy, busy weekend. Talk to me. How did this happen?

   2. TKTim Kennedy0:08

      I mean, I think, uh, I think it's the worst and scariest answer possible, which, which is, like, a balance of Occam's razor and Halen's razor. Um, the, the first is so obvious about, you know, basically looking for the most simplest solution and the evidence supporting that, and not looking for anything further than that. Which leads us into Halen's razor, which is, um, never attribute something to malice when it can be explained with stupidity. And, um, if I go back... I, I don't wanna start on Saturday, because I think that grossly misrepresents the problem. We have to go back three years and start looking at what has happened organizationally, what has happened with personnel selection, what has happened with training, what has happened with requirements, um, what's happened with authorities, with authorizations, what's happening with the, the overall labor force within that specific organization, um, the government as a whole, Department of Homeland Security as a whole. Who are the appointees? Who did the appointees then appoint? And then when you take that big, huge picture and you then look at the actions on Saturday, which clearly had inept, negligent, incompetent, stupid people that did a, a abhorrent, dangerous job of doing the one thing, which is keeping their principal alive. They did nothing. There was... The only reason that that man is not dead, that the former President Trump is not dead, is because his head, at the very last second, changed a few degrees and a bullet went past his ear instead of hitting his temple and taking out the back portion of his brain, which is not survivable. That is nothing that anyone else did. That was divine intervention or President Trump's luck.

   3. CWChris Williamson2:11

      Jesus Christ. You've worked presidential details before as well, right?

   4. TKTim Kennedy2:15

      Yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson2:15

      So, you know... They, uh... For the people who don't know, in what you might consider a more golden era, one that was more competent, just how thorough is the process for this stuff?

   6. TKTim Kennedy2:26

      So, what's supposed to be is that this is the most premier security detail on the planet. This is, this is the standard that everybody looks to. The competence, the selection, the training, the personnel, um, they, they have to be. Because this is the leader of the free world. That is who the American president is. And I'm gonna talk about the position, not about any specific president. 'Cause this is not a partisan issue. You know, if you look, there, there have been, um, a total of 10, uh, sui- uh, assassinations or assassination attempts on former presidents, and 60% of them were Republican, four bu- 40% of them were Democrat. So like, it's not a partisan issue. Uh, like are... I had a whole bunch of friends like, "Yo, why is it always Republicans getting assassinated?" It's like, like, I mean, it's not always. You know, it's, it's, um, it's, it's a dangerous rhetoric, and it's an, a dangerous idea, and it's a social contagion, this thing that is hate, when it moves into discourse that is directed in a very unh- unhealthy way. Um, so if we created this, like, spectrum, this continuum on, this Halen's razor, uh, on one side, we have this complete negligent, stupid, incompetent, inept, uh, ignorant, just unable to do the capa- the, the job, which is being a- c- able to be capable to protect somebody. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, on the, the, the op- the total other end from just being stupid-

   7. CWChris Williamson4:03

      Incompetent.

   8. TKTim Kennedy4:05

      ... is complicit, which is, um, in cohorts with, which is, um, enabling. I th- and using that Halen's razor, if somebody is so... And these are not stupid people, um, that are running these organizations, um, that assigned the details to work for the former President Trump. If they are, if they are knowingly, if they are aware about how dangerously inept they are, uh, we me- then, we then move into the malice category. (laughs) Then we move into the complicit category. And that gets... Like, does that mean, like, this is, like, a deep state? Uh, like, were, were they allowing this dude on a roof? I mean, w- well, kind of. Like, if they had s- if they were so undermanned and they were so ill-prepared and they were so untrained, and the people that were there were following or hiring with DEI practices, and they, you know, like were too overweight to be able to get their w- their own weapon in their holster, they are the ones that are cowering behind the stage or cowering behind the president, while other people that are not even part of that organization are running up the staircase with their guns at the high ready, looking out into the audience and towards the direction of the gunfire. Completely opposite reactions. It, it starts becoming very evident a-about where, how, and how dangerous this situation not just was, but currently is, 'cause it's not fixed. The same department of, uh, the s- the, the same Homeland Security Director is in place. The same S- uh, Secret Service director is in place. Every single one of, um, those people that have been hired and trained in the past three years are still part of that organization. The group that (laughs) , uh, investigated the January 6th and then raided the president's own home, they're the ones that are doing the investigation around the assassination. Think about that for a second. And the people that are doing that are of the opposing party that's running for president in November.This is wild.

2. 6:12 – 13:26

   Explaining the Different Security Roles

   1. TKTim Kennedy6:12

   2. CWChris Williamson6:12

      Let's go back to, sort of, what you know about the level of caliber of protection that happened on the day. I've heard that it was more Homeland Security contractors, as opposed to Secret Service agents than there should be. I've heard that outside of a hundred and... hundreds-ish meter fence. It actually is local law enforcement officers, as opposed to the actual Secret Service. What- what do you know about the, uh, detail that was there on the day?

   3. TKTim Kennedy6:39

      Yeah, man, it is bad. It's what it is. Um, so regardless of, uh, what personnel from which departments, whether it's state, uh, federal, Department of Homeland Security, Secret Service, which is, uh, county, which is municipal city, ultimately under ICS, this is in- i- i- um... This command system that all goes up to who's in charge, which is the ground force commander. That person is then leveraging and identifying threats, like most dangerous course of action, most like- most likely course of action. Um, they start from the- the site surveys that came in before the- the former president even got there. They've identified which buildings have line of sight of the president, which ones, which ones are in small-arms fire, where a drone could be taken off from, which ones have vehicle access, what is an egress route, what is an exfill route, what is their infill route, where is the medical plans placed, where are they jamming all s- all frequencies from? Um, all of that stuff is done well ahead of time.

   4. CWChris Williamson7:39

      How long? How- how well is well?

   5. TKTim Kennedy7:41

      Um, so, uh, like, I was just in France with President Biden's Secret Service detail, like, a month ago. (laughs) Um, like, the- on- this- this is, uh... And they are so good. Uh, they are the A-team, to- to put it mildly. Like, the- the- these- all of those men, all of those guys were the best and the brightest. And, um, and I'm not disparaging the people that were on the ground, uh, on Saturday, because I- m- their heart, I- I bet you, you know, if we lined them up right here and I started interrogating them, they're like, "I did my best." And- and I believe that. Like, they- they- they truly are public servants. They are trying their hardest with the resources they have, with the training that they have, with the God-given gifts that they were... And- and the- the current physical condition that they're in, and they were doing the best that they could with what they had, which just wasn't enough. And, um, so what I know about on- on Saturday was... President Trump's campaign has requested time and time again, and this is de- denied by Department of Homeland Security, for additional security. Um, and it's been... And it's been denied. Like, I- I know... Which is funny that they're denying it, like they're denying that Trump's team has requested it because like, it's all gonna come out, you know. Like they have emails. (laughs) It's so dumb to be like, "Oh yeah, we ne- we never... They never said a request." Like, I mean, but- but they did. Did they, you know? Like here's an email about it. You know, like them requesting it and then you gave them a bunch of hacks that don't know how to do their jobs. Um, so on Saturday, they had... The vast majority of the heavy lifting on the labor side was not Secret Service. Um, you had municipal local law- law enforcement that... This is what's wild. Staging area for the local law enforcement was immediately adjacent from the building where the shooter climbed up. Mind's blown. Uh, so, you know, the security perimeter, uh, who is doing the met- who- who is allowing people into the venue, who is controlling the- the area outside of that per- that perimeter. Normally that perimeter is set at least to the bare minimum of explosion and small arms fire. Like so about 1500 meters. That's normally where that circle is. Um, sometimes it's a little bit more, sometimes it's a little bit less. But generally, that's well within the total protected area. Um-

   6. CWChris Williamson10:30

      Not 130 meters.

   7. TKTim Kennedy10:32

      That's right. That's, that is an impossibility. There, uh... Listen, zero chance. There is zero chance that everyone on the ground didn't know that that building with the direct line of sight and 100 and... I think it was 151 yards from the... Not the corner, which was 131 yards, but from the top where the guy... The shooter took the shot to where the president was standing at that moment was 151 meters. But that every single person on the ground didn't know how much of a liability that building was. No way.

   8. CWChris Williamson11:10

      How hard is that shot?

   9. TKTim Kennedy11:12

      D- my nine year old can do 10 out of 10. I bet you, you could find every single Texas kid that's... So in the- the hunting blinds in Texas, you set up the deer feeders about 150 yards. I hate saying yards, but 100 and f-

   10. CWChris Williamson11:32

       Freedom units.

   11. TKTim Kennedy11:33

       Yeah, yeah. Um, 150 yards from where the hunters climb up into their little hunting box and then shoot the animals when they go up to- to eat the corn or pick up the feed at the end of the day. Nine to 11 year olds, seven to 11 year olds, every single one of them would be able to make that shot.

   12. CWChris Williamson11:54

       Have you got any idea what the weapon was that the shooter was using?

   13. TKTim Kennedy11:58

       It looks like... It looks like an AR. Um, and of course, it- it's, uh... This is a really weird thing, and I'm not putting on my tinfoil hat here. Uh, but photos are disappearing.Um, there were photos that were initially being released and, um, both of the shooter, of him on top of the roof, clear pictures of the weapon, uh, and I can't f- you know, there, there was so much happening. I had just-

   14. CWChris Williamson12:29

       Yeah.

   15. TKTim Kennedy12:29

       ... walking up, I was at a military shooting range when, um, somebody walked to their car and we were running, like, hammer drills. Like, th- this blister is from the trigger guard of a rifle as I was shooting a couple of thousand rounds this weekend. And, uh, one of the dudes walks to the car and, and he's like, "Somebody just sh- tried to assassinate President Trump." And this is all special operations guys. And all of us are like, "All right," you know, "whatever. Last time that happened was 1981." And they're like, "No, no, I'm serious." So like, we're out in the middle of nowhere on a military shooting range and so, you know, like, we're trying to drive back. I'm getting information, I'm seeing pictures and I'm seeing posts and like, you remember it was like just-

   16. CWChris Williamson13:09

       Fog of war.

   17. TKTim Kennedy13:09

       ... crazy of ... Well, some of the stuff I saw, I can't find any more.

   18. CWChris Williamson13:14

       Mm-hmm.

   19. TKTim Kennedy13:15

       Like it's, it's, there, they've ... Accounts that I, that I know I saw it on, no, that account doesn't even exist anymore and, uh ... Yeah.

   20. CWChris Williamson13:23

       Very interesting.

   21. TKTim Kennedy13:24

       They are-

   22. CWChris Williamson13:24

       Okay, so going, going,

3. 13:26 – 20:29

   Step-by-Step Rundown of the Shooting

   1. CWChris Williamson13:26

      the thing that I'm most interested in learning from you, given that you are Green Beret, Sp- Special Forces sniper, a lot of time around firearms and have done this from a presidential detail, the specifics around the shooter on top of the, uh, roof. How he gets up there, how he, uh, isn't seen and then the response specifically from the Secret Service snipers. That ... Can you just game out sort of what you think happened? Why, why they seem to hesitate, why they seem to flinch? Who shot first? Have, have you been able to work out any of that?

   2. TKTim Kennedy13:56

      Yeah. Yeah. Qui- quite a bit of it. Um, I was actually (laughs) like taking some notes about it, trying to get my head wrapped around what seems like such an impossibility. And, um ... So ... This is the ... Can you see this?

   3. CWChris Williamson14:17

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   4. TKTim Kennedy14:19

      All right. Um, I'll go the other way. There we go.

   5. CWChris Williamson14:23

      Mm-hmm.

   6. TKTim Kennedy14:23

      Over here is where the president, former president was standing and this is the negative pitch roof. So, he climbed up here. There's a ladder right there and he climbed up on top and then clambered over to here. Um, back behind that, that parking lot back there, is the staging area for the local law enforcement. So, negative pitch roof. Roof looks like this, right? Dude gets up on a ladder, climbs up on top of the roof. The fact that this building has a ladder and has a negative sloped roof hiding the person on the backside ... So, uh, uh, a sector steck, sketch, which would have a range card, every counter-sniper that is put in a position like that has this, this diagram. And on it, it has the buildings, it has distances, you have target reference points, you have, um, uh, distance ... So like you, you have pre-assigned distances so you know what adjustments to you need to make for every single shot from your left to right limit within your sector of fire. Um, and on that range card, there is ... And gigantic X which is that specific building because the security detail this, that did the survey of the area would've marked that this building has a ladder and that this building, which is in small arms fire, which this building has direct line of sight to the podium. There's ... We know that that counter-sniper would've had that on his range card, um, in his sector sketch. And this supposed 20-year-old walks around the backside of this building, goes to this ladder, gets up on top of this roof-

   7. CWChris Williamson16:06

      Just, just to interject there. The, it seems like the ladder's already there? He didn't-

   8. TKTim Kennedy16:09

      Yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson16:09

      ... carry it in?

   10. TKTim Kennedy16:10

       Nope.

   11. CWChris Williamson16:10

       It's like fi- affixed to the back of the building or whatever?

   12. TKTim Kennedy16:12

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson16:12

       Right. Okay.

   14. TKTim Kennedy16:13

       Yeah, so there's two metal buildings and there's like this little valley between the two, um, which is ominously protected from most, uh, observation angles besides, uh, really just one direction. So like ... And, and it's receded from the rest of the open space. All of the people at the rally saw this, this 20-year-old walk up, clamber, with a rifle, start clambering up this building and for four minutes they're screaming for law enforcement to come over. And which one of them finally does. Goes up this, up this ladder, gets on top of the sloped roof and the sniper's on the opposite end, he's over here.

   15. CWChris Williamson16:55

       Mm-hmm.

   16. TKTim Kennedy16:55

       And as this guy's climbing up this, this roof, he cannot be seen until his head comes over like the prelongation, like the top of the crest of that roof. So it's, it's, it's actually a perfect location for an assassin to b- go and position which is why it's so insanely believable that everyone didn't know about that roof. Once he gets up there, um, and people have been screaming that there's a guy with a gun over there, a law enforcement officer goes up. He climbs up the ladder, he takes a peek. The kid with the gun turns around, sees the cop. The cop jumps back down, gets scared from the kid with the gun. The kid turns back around, comes back and starts slinging some rounds towards the former president.

   17. CWChris Williamson17:39

       So you think that the impetus for the shooter to begin firing was that he was stumbled upon by a local law enforcement officer?

   18. TKTim Kennedy17:48

       Yep. I think that's why the shots were rushed and, and he shot so fast and that's why there was such con- confusion. So if you go back to that kind of like instant command system, um, you, you do have one person in charge, but you have multiple organizations on a bunch of different frequencies of radio.

   19. CWChris Williamson18:06

       I was gonna say, that communication from law enforcement to Homeland to s- special s-

   20. TKTim Kennedy18:12

       That's right.

   21. CWChris Williamson18:12

       Right, okay.

   22. TKTim Kennedy18:13

       Yeah, so Department of Homeland Security, um, the, you got, like, mall guards that are using little Motorola radios or maybe they're, like, texting each other. Then you've got lock- local law enforcement, then you have county law enforcement, then you have state law enforcement. All of them, they're all on different frequencies. All of them, usually you take, like, one person, uh, that is from the command organization, and you embed them with the other organizations-

   23. CWChris Williamson18:36

       Mm-hmm.

   24. TKTim Kennedy18:36

       ... so that that person can be, like, the conduit and continuity between that unit's communication back to the incident commander. That's normally what happens. But ultimately, you end up with a damn telephone that takes a few seconds for that information to get circulated around. Obviously, now if we switch from where the, the assassin's building is over to the counter-sniper team, you could see for a good 40 seconds, they have directed all of their attention towards the shooter's building, towards the would-be assassin's building. They're looking at it, and he's doing this super amateur thing where he's coming off his glass. He's going-

   25. CWChris Williamson19:12

       So just before, before you even do that, who is it that's gonna be up there? Is that a spotter and a shooter? Is that two snipers?

   26. TKTim Kennedy19:18

       Yep.

   27. CWChris Williamson19:18

       What's the kit that they're using, et cetera?

   28. TKTim Kennedy19:21

       Yeah. Um, so y- you're gonna have a sniper, uh, a-a-and, and a spotter. But the spotter also is a sniper. So you have two really competent shooters. Um, and, uh, I ca- um, I, I, um, not gonna get, like, too really specific into the equipment that they're using 'cause it's kinda sensitive. And people are gonna try to kill the president, the former president a whole bunch for the next four months. And the last thing we want is people to understand the capabilities or the lack of capabilities ar- around the-

   29. CWChris Williamson19:55

       But probably safe to say that it wasn't basic kit. It's something that allows them-

   30. TKTim Kennedy20:00

       No, this is dude's stuff, Chris.
4. 20:29 – 27:22

   What Was the Counter-Sniper Thinking?

   1. TKTim Kennedy20:29

   2. CWChris Williamson20:29

      Okay, so talk me through what that sniper is doing. Wh- why is his body language the way it is? Why does he respond in that way? What do you think's going on?

   3. TKTim Kennedy20:38

      Yeah, um, so he's being fed information, right? He's like, okay, building those numbers, so you have this GRG. And, uh, this GRG, which is a grid reference guide, that has, you number all the buildings left to right, one through ten, right? So every single building on his whole entire, uh, sector sketch is numbered. So he knows, let's just say, um, not that I've already done this, but from his position, that's building number three. That building, from his position, is 151 yards. So he's looking at building number three on his GRG. He's talking to his sniper, um, his spotter. His spotter's getting hi- giving him estimations and, um, they also set up that they're slightly offset, so he has a kind of different perspective, but they're both looking in the same general area and they're supposed to be on different magnification areas, so they're able to see different things but same, the same thing kind of simultaneously. Um, there's a lot of science around, like, how the sniper and the spotter work together. Um, and, uh, all the schools ultimately... Holy crap.

   4. CWChris Williamson21:42

      What?

   5. TKTim Kennedy21:42

      Uh, President Trump just picked J.D. Vance for VP.

   6. CWChris Williamson21:46

      Oh, yeah, that's been up a couple of hours. But yes, that'll be, I think that's, uh...

   7. TKTim Kennedy21:50

      Hoo, should have opened that. I've been, I've been fricking working all day. You're the-

   8. CWChris Williamson21:54

      Some operational excellence coming into the potential Republican White House there.

   9. TKTim Kennedy22:00

      Interesting. Um-

   10. CWChris Williamson22:02

       Yeah. Yeah, it's smart move, I think.

   11. TKTim Kennedy22:03

       Yeah. So that team, and, and I'm not using the word team, like, lightly at all. Th- they, they are a very c- cohesive unit. They spend a lot of time together. Like, they know how they smell, they know how they breathe, uh, like they, they know when they're anxious, they know how each other's brains work, you know? Like, they, they spend lots of time together. Um, and the time that they spent together is for them to be able to work in unison where, like, they can alm- almost like... Not that they're precogs, but they can anticipate what the other one's gonna say and do. And as they're looking at the same area or the same thing, they're both, like, processing information. And when you have a really, really good team, this is what's so unique about a... with the right equipment, with the right personnel, with the right training, um, the, the ability and the capability of that two-man sniper team is, yes, they can shoot something from a mile away, but they can also anticipate what is gonna be happening in a battle space before anybody else on the planet can see it or understand it. And that is why they're so crucial as a counter-sniper element. Um, and it's a really difficult thing to, like, explain and put into words in- unless you've, you've either experienced it as the shooter or counter-sniper, um, or you've been on the receiving end of that capability, which is a pretty severe thing.

   12. CWChris Williamson23:27

       Okay, so talk me through, uh, their actions. The flinching, the coming up-

   13. TKTim Kennedy23:30

       Mm-hmm.

   14. CWChris Williamson23:30

       ... off the glass, the standing up, the stances, all that stuff.

   15. TKTim Kennedy23:33

       Okay. This is the worst case scenario of all of the things that we've been seeing over the past three years. Um, and I'm just gonna hypothetically paint an opposite picture here. A young Black kid in Butler climbs up on that roof to get a view of former President Trump. Dude, all he wants to see is the man that his grandpa's been talking about and he loves, the man that's gonna, like, help them not be poor anymore. And he picks, picks his head up, looks over the top of that roof, and he gets his face caved in, canoed by a special operations sniper.... um, that law enforcement for the past, I mean, really bad for the past three years, but since the Defund the Police movement, since countless indictments, since the, the gutting of the Department of Justice, of every single good law enforcement officer... Not every single one of them. There's still a few left, but not very many, because most of them have had to leave because of the toxic policies and the toxic hires and the toxic appointees. So that guy behind the gun, man, he does not have the confidence that he can pull that trigger, and it's not until those rounds start going that he actually moves his finger to the trigger and moves into hunt mode.

   16. CWChris Williamson25:03

       Has he got the clearance to be able to unload rounds without getting the okay from somebody on the radio?

   17. TKTim Kennedy25:09

       Yes.

   18. CWChris Williamson25:10

       So he can make-

   19. TKTim Kennedy25:11

       With a confirmed threat.

   20. CWChris Williamson25:12

       What's that mean?

   21. TKTim Kennedy25:13

       Yeah. That, that's-

   22. CWChris Williamson25:14

       Specifically?

   23. TKTim Kennedy25:14

       ... that, that is intentionally vague and ambiguous thing. So a confirmed threat, um, bad guy with a gun pointing a rifle at the former president, smoke him. Eliminate that threat. Um, a head cresting the top of a rooftop, nope. That's a very fine line.

   24. CWChris Williamson25:34

       And this, (clears throat) just for clarity, this is, the call is made by the sniper and spotter team?

   25. TKTim Kennedy25:40

       That's right.

   26. CWChris Williamson25:41

       So they have, like, executive independent authority to be able to pull the trigger or not?

   27. TKTim Kennedy25:45

       On some things. On some things, they don't. On some things, they have to be-

   28. CWChris Williamson25:49

       Can you just explain that for me?

   29. TKTim Kennedy25:50

       Um, so, uh, a clear threat to their principal, they have the authority to protect. Rounds started being sent towards the former president, obviously they have the authority without approval to pull that trigger.

   30. CWChris Williamson26:08

       Hmm.
5. 27:22 – 34:14

   How Many Shots Were Fired?

   1. CWChris Williamson27:22

      What about the order of shots? What do you think? Uh, h- have you been able to reverse engineer? So presumably, it looks like the shooter got at least one off.

   2. TKTim Kennedy27:31

      I-

   3. CWChris Williamson27:32

      Did he get-

   4. TKTim Kennedy27:32

      Yeah, I think he got, like, four or five off. Yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson27:36

      So what, what happens? Is that where we see the flinch, where we see the-

   6. TKTim Kennedy27:40

      Yes.

   7. CWChris Williamson27:40

      Okay, so talk me through that. What's going on?

   8. TKTim Kennedy27:43

      Yeah. Uh, the second part of that question, uh, th- th- your earlier question about... So they know that that building's a threat, and I think, judging by both of their body language, that they're processing communication that's coming in about that specific thing, 'cause both of them weren't just, like, scanning. Both of them are zoned in to that one building for about 40, 45 seconds, and they're coming off and they're looking specifically at that building. They're looking down their optics, they're looking down their binos, they're looking over their binos. And this is what's really sad, is that guy was close enough that they didn't need any magnification to see him. That's bad.

   9. CWChris Williamson28:24

      Oh, because they can pop up and just-

   10. TKTim Kennedy28:25

       They-

   11. CWChris Williamson28:25

       ... look normally.

   12. TKTim Kennedy28:26

       Yeah. He's 150... Like, he's one and a half football fields away. Do you know how close that is? So they're literally just, like, coming off their optic and, like, looking at e- the top of a building and being like, "Yep, that's a dude, all right. That's a bummer. Holy crap, he's shooting at us," and then he gets on the glass. So they're observing, they're processing all that com- communication that's coming in. Clearly, like, they're working together trying to figure out what it is. Um, then whether the shooter had to rush his shots, he comes up and over the top and you see him immediate- the sniper, the counter-sniper, immediately go down back onto his glass because I think he knew he had to shoot. But then the shots started coming in. Then he jerked and had to get back on the gun.

   13. CWChris Williamson29:11

       So what's that? Is that just the response to, "Fuck, there's bullets coming"?

   14. TKTim Kennedy29:15

       I don't think that dude's been in a gunfight. Yeah. Um, last night, I was talking, uh, with a Canadian special operations guy that has the current and longest confirmed kill, or his team does, um, which is at, like, two miles. And, um, then I was talking with Rob O'Neil, who is a Navy SEAL sniper, and the three of us were kind of, like, nerding about, uh, a- around, like, ballistics and winds and all of those things. Um, and the three of us were in agreeance in, in pretty much everything, but the thing that we just were astounded by was the level of experience, and combat experience especially, with those immediately around the former president.

   15. CWChris Williamson30:11

       Just before we go on to kind of the tight detail, 'cause there's a lot to talk about there, um, it seems to me, based on my total Muggle knowledge of how this works... Muggle knowledge, I know. Normie knowledge.Um, it seems like 150 yards-ish, 150 meters is kind of a bit of a unique distance that it's very short for a sniper team, but it's also sort of too long. It seems like, based on what I'd seen, that a lot of what the snipers were looking at is way out beyond that. Is, is that 150 meter or is the fact that it's such a, an obvious potential assailant position that would have kind of overshadowed the fact that it's in this maybe Goldilocks zone of too, too long to be short, too short to be long?

   16. TKTim Kennedy30:55

       Um, it, it is so close. Uh, in, in scanning, besides being great marksmen, marksmen and being, uh, masters of lethality, spec- snipers are observers first. They spend so much time, like w- some of them are must-pass events in sniper school. They, they take these men. They drop them into the, you know, um, a middle of nowhere area, and out in front of them, between 50 and 1,000 meters, there's a pair of binoculars. There's a scope. There's a guy in a ghillie suit. And they have to, um, on their sector sketch, mark every single one of those things. And those are graded and must-pass events. Like, if you can't find those things, so you have, you have these swirl searches, you have these grid pattern searches. You have the book up to right or left to right, top to bottom. You're using all of these search techniques. You're changing focus from far away to up close. Um, in some of these static positions, you're not, uh, seeing movement, which is like one of the easiest things to see, but you're looking for shapes. You're looking for colors. You're looking for, um, non-natural, you know, material, uh, that's not ref- that's reflecting and not ... You know, most natural things kind of absorb light, not reflect light. And, uh, so there's no way that both of those trained snipers, um, 150 yards is outside of the realm. It's not too close. It's not too long.

   17. CWChris Williamson32:28

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   18. TKTim Kennedy32:28

       Um, it's not too anything.

   19. CWChris Williamson32:29

       Right.

   20. TKTim Kennedy32:29

       They're professionals. They're perfect.

   21. CWChris Williamson32:31

       Okay. All right. So, it looks like based on your assessment that, uh, maybe they'd been warned. For some reason, they seem to have their attention very much on that building. Uh, we'll call it building three. Uh, and then they maybe see a guy. They come back up off the glass. They go back down onto it. Then first shot hits, which is the one where Trump just turns his head a tiny little bit, glances his ear. Then they flinch, come back up a second time, then go back down and presumably ... 'Cause he gets hit very close between the eyes, I think, based on the, uh, the photos that I've seen.

   22. TKTim Kennedy33:05

       Yep.

   23. CWChris Williamson33:05

       You reckon it's those guys that delivered that shot? There's no one else?

   24. TKTim Kennedy33:09

       Um, I, I, I don't think that there's no one else. We know that it was a Secret Service sniper that engaged him. Um, the CAT teams doing their work.

   25. CWChris Williamson33:21

       CAT?

   26. TKTim Kennedy33:21

       So you see ... Yeah, that, um, within Secret Service, you have multiple teams from counter-sniper teams. You had rel- red cell teams that, that are like reverse engineering and doing all the threat, like, lots of different really specialty teams. The guys that run up onto rooftops or ran up onto the stage wearing body armor with machine guns, they, they fall into that category. Um, they're rad. And, um, they're like the direct action when you see the plainclothed people wearing like tacky, poorly cut suits with weird holsters. Um, they ... That's, that's, that's ... They're there to protect the former president. The people that rush out with long rifles, they're there to kill people. And, uh-

   27. CWChris Williamson34:07

       (laughs) Okay. All right.

   28. TKTim Kennedy34:10

       They're the hammers.

   29. CWChris Williamson34:11

       Um, yes. Okay. So, let's talk

6. 34:14 – 39:54

   Who Were the People Shielding Trump?

   1. CWChris Williamson34:14

      about the sort of, what do you call it, immediate detail? What's, what's the thing that encircles the president? What is that called? How are they selected? Where have they been drawn from, and what do you make of the, uh, performance on Saturday?

   2. TKTim Kennedy34:27

      Yeah. I mean, of all the bad stuff, this might be the worst, huh? And there's lot, there's a lot bad here, and we're not even scratching the surface. And listen, I'm not mon- I'm not like Monday morning quarterbacking this. You know, if you, uh ... Everybody, to include the guys on the ground who are gonna be way ... Uh, the guys and gals on the ground, are gonna be by far the worst critics of this whole entire situation. Um, I'm, I'm not saying anything that anyone else is, is, is gonna disagree with, with maybe slight differences of perspectives or opinions, but generally everybody in an AAR, an after action review, that does a sustains and improves of this operation is gonna come to the general, generally the same conclusions. And, um, and that's what we do after every single mission that we ever do, is an AAR, an after action review. And then we break these things down by phase into cat- just like we are, Chris. And in these phases, we say, "All right, this is what went right, and this is what went wrong," and improves and sustain. So improves are things that went wrong, we have to fix and improve on, and then these are the things that went well, and, uh, let's continue to do those. I do not have very many things in that latter category. So. And under this phase, which is shots have just skipped off the president's ear. Man, y- y- are you really understanding c- like, how one mile an hour wind difference, one degree head direction in either direction-

   3. CWChris Williamson35:53

      I just-

   4. TKTim Kennedy35:54

      That bullet was already in the air when he turned his head to look at that graphic.

   5. CWChris Williamson36:01

      No fucking way, ............................

   6. TKTim Kennedy36:01

      Yes way!

   7. CWChris Williamson36:02

      I've seen the image where someone explained what a straight line does to the human head. Um-

   8. TKTim Kennedy36:08

      At 151 yards, what that bullet does-

   9. CWChris Williamson36:12

      What's-

   10. TKTim Kennedy36:12

       ... is takes off the backside of the brain.

   11. CWChris Williamson36:14

       What's the caliber of round coming out of that, do you think?

   12. TKTim Kennedy36:16

       I, I think it's gonna be an AR. I think it's going to be 5.56, 223.

   13. CWChris Williamson36:21

       Okay. So-

   14. TKTim Kennedy36:21

       I think it's gonna be a 55 grain to a 77 grain traveling at 9- 2,900 feet per second.

   15. CWChris Williamson36:28

       How close does that need to be to someone's ear to draw blood? Because presumably, it could actually miss the ear and still just the, the pace going past.

   16. TKTim Kennedy36:36

       Yeah. Tho- those... So, 55 grains to 77 grain, uh, that, that 556 and 223, um, that is a very small projectile that is moving really, really fast. The, the, the danger of that bullet is the energy that it carries because of its speed.

   17. CWChris Williamson36:51

       Mm. Mm-hmm.

   18. TKTim Kennedy36:52

       Um, so unlike a .50 cal where like, you know, if a .50 cal gets near somebody's head, um, you know, it's gonna, like, jumble the brains.

   19. CWChris Williamson37:00

       You're gonna know about it.

   20. TKTim Kennedy37:01

       That's right. You know, like, you're... If a g- if a guy's waving and a, and a .50 cal bullet goes through here, the air displacement, um, and energy of that bullet going by might blow that dude's arm off. That, that's not the same with a, you know, s- 65 grain bullet.

   21. CWChris Williamson37:17

       Much, much smaller mass.

   22. TKTim Kennedy37:18

       Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson37:19

       Okay. Uh, so, right, we're talking about this probably having nicked the skin, then-

   24. TKTim Kennedy37:25

       Mm-hmm.

   25. CWChris Williamson37:25

       ... in order to have done this.

   26. TKTim Kennedy37:26

       Yep.

   27. CWChris Williamson37:26

       This isn't it, it was just close. This is actually 50 Cent got shot.

   28. TKTim Kennedy37:30

       That's right. Yep.

   29. CWChris Williamson37:35

       Bro. And then... Okay, so that happens. Let's say that, uh, gold standard, um, you are the... What's it called? What's that immediate team called around the president?

   30. TKTim Kennedy37:45

       Um, that's the principal security detail.
7. 39:54 – 48:27

   Criticisms of the Security & DEI

   1. CWChris Williamson39:54

      what do you make of the, um, criticism around female Secret Service agents that aren't tall enough for the principal, that their head comes up to his chest line. That there's one that used him as a, a shield as she cowered behind?

   2. TKTim Kennedy40:09

      Yeah. Uh, I mean, ju- just take gender out of that conver- take s- tak- take sex out of that conversation. Like, I don't wanna talk about m- male or female. You're either capable of doing the job or you're not capable of doing the job. You're either strong enough to pick up your principal and move him off the X. You're either large enough to block that person that you're trying to protect or you're not. You're either trained enough and equipped enough and prepared enough to do the job or you're not. They're not. The women that were there, um, um, there, there's not just the one. So as, as shots are bi- still being fired and you see bodies being flung on top of the former president as he's down on the ground, what an amazing photo, blood's dripping off of his face and there is a woman, Secret Service agent, that is hiding behind the president. Not on top of. She's hiding behind him, cowering, hoping to not get hurt when her one job is to put herself on top of the president. Go forward 10 seconds, the hammers start coming out. You see guys in body armor with helmets run out with guns. There's another photo of a Secret Service agent that is... Here we go. So here's the guys running up-

   3. CWChris Williamson41:36

      Uh-huh.

   4. TKTim Kennedy41:36

      Go the other way. Running up the stairs. 10 seconds later, and this is one of the photos I was trying to find. 10 seconds later, you see all three of these guys with their guns pointed out into the crowd. Guess where that girl is? That girl right there?

   5. CWChris Williamson41:49

      Hm.

   6. TKTim Kennedy41:50

      She's still right there. She's hiding behind the stage. These guys, dude, they're up, guns in the high ready. They're on their optics. They are scanning. They are hunting. I'm telling you, if you farted weird, you're about to get a round. And they were also positioning themselves to prepare for an exfil. And while they're doing that, there's a Secret Service agent hiding behind her principal and there's another Secret Service agent that's hir- hiding at the base of the stage. Fired. They're fired! And I like to say, "You're fired," because, you know, it's such a Trump thing right now. But Department of Homeland Security, Mayorkas, you're fired. Department, uh, Secret Service, uh, what's her name? Kimberly, you're fired.Every single one of those DEI hires in the past three years, you're fired. You don't meet height and weight, you're fired. You can't pass a shooting test, you're fired. You can't do a site survey, you're fired. You didn't know that building three at 151 yards wasn't the highest risk possible and allowed a dude to clamber up and get on top and take a shot at your principal, you're freaking fired, man. Everyone's gone. Gut that whole... And then don't get me started on the FBI or the Department of Justice, who are currently doing the investigation around the opponent to the reigning gov, the reigning government, the FBI that just raided President Trump's home, armed. They're the ones that are doing the investigation on the assassination of the organization under the... (laughs)

   7. CWChris Williamson43:16

      Bureaucracy doesn't help when there's bullets flying.

   8. TKTim Kennedy43:19

      Nope.

   9. CWChris Williamson43:21

      How big of a deal is this DEI initiative? I'm always hesitant about taking, um, like accusations that it happens to be some women there, therefore there has been this huge amount of hires. I did see a video talking about how the Secret Service wanted 30% female recruits by 2030. Uh, that makes me think, uh, okay, this isn't just talking points. This isn't just a slightly oddly skewed sex ratio of the president's detail. This is actually part of a broader narrative, a broad- a broader, um, push to try and get more diversity into the Secret Service.

   10. TKTim Kennedy43:59

       Yeah. I, I have worked overseas with capable, competent, impressive women. Um, and, and again, this has nothing to do with sex. This does... I... Male, male/female, you're, you can either do the job or you can't.

   11. CWChris Williamson44:16

       But it's prioritizing diversity over competence.

   12. TKTim Kennedy44:18

       And that's where things get dangerous. So we... Let, let... We'll work from, like, mission. So the mission of the military, the job, the one job of the military is to be the most lethal fighting force on the planet. So with that, we'll br- we'll brew that down into lethality. We are gonna measure every single person's contribution to the government, or to the Department of Defense, into lethality. You either make it more lethal or you don't. If you don't make it more lethal, you can't have the job. So on Special Forces selection, you are going to have a rucksack that weighs this amount. You will have to move over this distance at this speed, and you can either do it or you can't. And then you're gonna have to be able to pick up, for the ACFT, for, as an 18 Bravo, a Special Forces weapon sergeant, you're gonna have to pick up this amount of weight this many times. You'll have to run this distance at this... Like, very clear, can, cannot. And the reason of that is because you are going to be capable of doing the job, you're going to be lethal, or you won't. That's black and white.

   13. CWChris Williamson45:24

       It doesn't matter who you are.

   14. TKTim Kennedy45:25

       Doesn't matter.

   15. CWChris Williamson45:25

       It doesn't matter whether you're Asian, it doesn't matter whether you're a woman, it doesn't matter-

   16. TKTim Kennedy45:28

       Nope. Nope. Look at the NBA. Like, I, I see a ton of young Asian women out on the, on the basketball court these days, and I'm, and I'm really, really, really celebrating, um, the DEI of the NBA. You know, congratulations. No, obviously not. Like, there's not a single one out there. Why? Because they can't do it. Right? There, there's not a little tiny white suburban mom that's going out to the NFL offensive line being like, "Hey man, listen quarterback, I got you. Nobody's gonna get past me." Right? And then Derek Wolfe is like, "I'm gonna take your face off, and then I'm gonna go kill that quarterback." Right? There's not a single one of them because they can't do the job. On the firefighter side, on the law enforcement side, on the military side, like these... On the flying a plane side, I don't care what color you are. I don't care who you have sex with. I don't care about any of it. You can either fly the plane and you can do the job or you can't. And what we're seeing right now is a really, really, really dangerous cross-section of policies that have been implemented over the past three years. And it's about to get really bad, Chris. 'Cause all of these people that were hired over the... this, this DEI phase are now moving into legitimate roles like we just saw. Like, you're not going to get hired yesterday or on Friday and then be on the principal security detail for a nationally presidential running election. Right? That person was probably hired about five years ago. Here we go.

   17. CWChris Williamson47:03

       How different are the assessment criteria for men and women? I've seen something about i- it's the, like, scaled version of the CrossFit workout for, uh-

   18. TKTim Kennedy47:13

       Yeah. It's about 30% off everything.

   19. CWChris Williamson47:16

       And what are some of those assessments?

   20. TKTim Kennedy47:19

       Uh, running, push-ups. Um, some, some events don't even exist. Like, there's a requirement for a man, um, but, like, we'll just, we'll just use running. So you have to run, uh, two miles in 13 minutes and 44 seconds. That's the man requirement to pass at 100%. Um, the woman requirement is 15 minutes and 20 seconds. But this is how they get tricky on the numbers game. They both still have to pass at 80% for them to qualify for the job. So I can say... Let's, let's say I'm Kimberly at the Secret Service. "Thank you for the appointment." Um, I say, "No, no, there's no change. They still have the same requirement. They have to pass at 80%." Ah, you're so kooky, man.

   21. CWChris Williamson48:11

       The standard of what makes 80% is...

   22. TKTim Kennedy48:12

       That's right. Yep. And they, they've been, they've been doing it to m- a lot... To a few different selections, to a few different, you know, assessments, um, and for a few diff- different job selections.

8. 48:27 – 59:24

   Trump's Fighting Spirit

   1. CWChris Williamson48:27

      What did you make of the, uh, exfill, the exfiltration when Trump finally gets stood up. He says, "I need to get my shoes." Apparently, he's knocked to the floor so hard that his shoes come off.

   2. TKTim Kennedy48:37

      Right.

   3. CWChris Williamson48:37

      I don't know how loosely you tied your shoes. Um-

   4. TKTim Kennedy48:40

      He's got giant feet too.

   5. CWChris Williamson48:41

      Uh, he's got a bruise on his arm, apparently from where he hit the ground so hard, obviously from being tackled to the, a combination of falling, ducking, and being tackled to the floor.

   6. TKTim Kennedy48:49

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CWChris Williamson48:49

      Uh, and then I hear, like, "What are we doing? What are we doing? Where are we going? Where are we going?" a lot. And then eventually, he's stood up, he says "Hang on," and then he gets taken out. And that really seems to kind of be a-

   8. TKTim Kennedy48:59

      Ah, he does get taken out. Don't skip that. Give it to them. What'd he do?

   9. CWChris Williamson49:04

      He says-

   10. TKTim Kennedy49:05

       Blood run- running down his face. He pushes some security people aside.

   11. CWChris Williamson49:08

       60 seconds, yeah. Get the good, get the good photo op first.

   12. TKTim Kennedy49:11

       Tha- that's the heart of that man, dude. He is, he's not a normal person.

   13. CWChris Williamson49:16

       Dude, I, you know, I, I think it's the first time... I can say this because I'm British. Uh, it's the first time that I've looked at Trump as somebody who's genuinely admirable. I, you know, he's sort of gregarious, and he's got this sort of strange way of speaking, and he's not from my country, and he's all of these other things. He's lots and lots and lots of things, many of which are kind of bombastic and, and out there and all the rest of it. And I'm like, I, I kind of don't really fully understand him, although I respect him. But I wouldn't have said, "Oh, that's like an admirable man." You know, he's, it's very difficult to work out. And I saw that, and I was... Then him playing golf the next day, apparently sinking a 20-foot put- put with a, a, like two foot of break and saying, "Unlike the sniper, I don't miss."

   14. TKTim Kennedy49:58

       Wow.

   15. CWChris Williamson49:58

       When he, when he sank it.

   16. TKTim Kennedy49:59

       Evidently, that's true. A lot of things have been debunked, but, uh, that, that has, uh, that seems to be an actual thing.

   17. CWChris Williamson50:07

       Do you remember the Reagan, do you remember the Reagan bit where the balloon pops, and he goes-

   18. TKTim Kennedy50:11

       "Miss me."

   19. CWChris Williamson50:11

       "... miss me"? Yeah, fucking brilliant.

   20. TKTim Kennedy50:12

       Yeah. Don't... Do you want to talk about Reagan for a second?

   21. CWChris Williamson50:12

       Um, that was it, dude. I, you know, I s- I really have felt, uh, in me... And I c- again, I'm an Independent. I'm not, I'm not gonna be able to vote in this country. Uh, I'm, I find him significantly more admirable than I did a few days ago. And maybe that's just unlocked a character trait that I'd overlooked. Um, or maybe this is a, a genuine sort of pivot that many other people are going to feel too. But, uh, yeah, that was-

   22. TKTim Kennedy50:35

       I don't know.

   23. CWChris Williamson50:35

       ... fucking badass.

   24. TKTim Kennedy50:36

       I, I don't consume media. Uh, I, I really t-... I, I have for the past three days, and I actually feel really gross about having to get information from, from, from media, because I think it's so toxic and it's unhealthy. Um, so I don't know the man that everybody knows as President Trump. Uh, I know Don Jr., I know Laura, uh, I know a... From 2016, me going, and he's like... I'm in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He comes in on, uh, during his campaign trail. And, uh, he's like, "I want you to do the Pledge of Allegiance and the prayer," and, "Hey, you better do it good." You know, he grabs my arm. He pulls me in, like face to face. He's like, "I want the Pledge of Allegiance to be, like, good." You know, I was like, "I'm, I'm a professional fighter, first of all." Like, "Don't try intimidating me like that," but that was pretty intimidating. Um, so like, I don't... And so I've never... And I, and I get that, and I really appreciate your kind of transparency and your perception of him. But I only know, like, this man that when, in, in Charlotte a few months ago, I, I sit down, and he's like, "Hey, Tim, I, I wanna know what's happening with veterans and suicide." We could talk about anything that he wants, and the thing that he wants to talk to me about is the border, because he knew I'd spent time on the border, and he wanted to know about veterans, their mental health, and suicide prevention.

   25. CWChris Williamson52:04

       This is Trump or Trump Jr.?

   26. TKTim Kennedy52:06

       No, this is pre-... This is, this is Tr- this is Trump. And I mean, don't get me started on Don. Like, Don's hilarious. Um, not his persona. I'm talking about the man, the hunter, the father. Like, guy, the guy's epic. Um, and I judge a lot of people by their kids. And I s- I know his kids way more, better than I know him. And I'm, and I'm just... They're, they're amazing people. So like, I'm glad that people got a snap- a snapshot of the guy that I know.

   27. CWChris Williamson52:35

       Yeah, it's interesting. It's, it's... There is no more costly signal than after you've just been shot, how you respond-

   28. TKTim Kennedy52:44

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson52:44

       ... after that. It's very difficult to deny that that guy is built different.

   30. TKTim Kennedy52:48

       Yeah.
9. 59:24 – 1:03:30

   What Happens Going Forward?

   1. CWChris Williamson59:24

      think happens from here going forward for-

   2. TKTim Kennedy59:26

      Nothing for four months.

   3. CWChris Williamson59:30

      What do you mean? Say more.

   4. TKTim Kennedy59:31

      Like, you, you think the government, with the president that wants to win an election, um, is going to be providing a bunch of... Like last night, President Biden did a live speech to the entire nation about the assassination attempt of the opposing party's nominee. The first words out of his mouth were, "I fired the, my appointed Department of Homeland Security director." Um, nope. Nope. Those weren't. He never did that. Did he fire the head of the Secret Service? No. Didn't do that. The FBI currently has this 20-year-old's phone in Quantico and they, you know, they're doing... Like, did you read all of the release about the motive?

   5. CWChris Williamson1:00:24

      Yeah.

   6. TKTim Kennedy1:00:24

      And, um, no. Like, they didn't do that. Why? Because it negatively affects their position of power, and there's no benefit for them to do anything better. I think for President Trump to survive the next four months to the election and the next six months to the inauguration is he has to bring in private security.

   7. CWChris Williamson1:00:46

      He calls up someone like you or Erik Prince.

   8. TKTim Kennedy1:00:48

      We're, uh, we're talking... Those are good names. Um, and, uh, nobody's better at it than that man. Uh, and talking to him yesterday, he very wisely pointed out every single way that they, when I say they, the...And, and when I say they, like... It's just because people in power that wanna remain in power. And in either side, it's not, it's still not, like, a partisan thing, you know? Of the 10 people that, uh, there was, uh, assassination attempts against of our presidents-

   9. CWChris Williamson1:01:22

      Nearly 50/50.

   10. TKTim Kennedy1:01:23

       Yeah, it was 60/40. You know? Like, it's not a partisan thing. And, um, they just wanna stay in power. The Raytheons, the Halliburtons, the Dynacors, the KBRs, um, the Boeings, the Lockheed Martins. You know, they want more, they want more war, and, uh, they wanna stay in power.

   11. CWChris Williamson1:01:47

       What would you look out for over the next sort of week or couple of weeks? There's gonna be a lot of people who think, "God, that was a lot of news in a lot of time. I don't really know what to pay attention to." What would be the things that you would say, "Hey, you're a civilian, you don't really understand too much about what's going on, but this is what I would try and pay attention to over the coming weeks"?

   12. TKTim Kennedy1:02:04

       I think it's really important to, um, listen to... So, we, we, we, we got a very rare opportunity, which was to look past, um, the shtick that is President Trump. Now that you got a glimpse of what there is, if you, one, register to vote. I don't care what side of the party you're on. I don't wanna hear your complaints. I don't wanna see your TikTok. I don't want you to, like... I don't want any of it. Go and vote in November. Go and vote. Go register to vote and then go and vote. But now that you got a, a little peek at the, the wizard behind the smoke and the mirrors, um, look for that. Go and, go and look at a man and look at what he's going to do in Milwaukee. And, uh, and then, and then go and vote in November. Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson1:03:06

       Tim Kennedy, ladies and gentlemen. Tim, I appreciate it. Emergency episode, needed to get this one done. Uh, I'm sure that you're going to be all over the news over the next couple of weeks as well, so I, I very much appreciate you finding time to speak to me.

   14. TKTim Kennedy1:03:17

       Yeah, anytime. Can't wait to work out with you, dude.

   15. CWChris Williamson1:03:18

       Soon. Cheers, man.

   16. TKTim Kennedy1:03:19

       All right. Take care.

   17. CWChris Williamson1:03:20

       If you enjoyed that episode, you will love a selection of the best clips from the podcast over the last couple of months, and it's available right here. Go on. Give them a watch.

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