EVERY SPOKEN WORD
80 min read · 15,958 words- 0:00 – 0:41
Intro
- TKTim Kennedy
When I was fighting in the UFC, I would never let the doctor ever use any painkiller anytime he had to stitch me closed because I wanted to feel that pain. Because I made a mistake in there, in the octagon, and I didn't want to dull the pain 'cause there should be a consequence for that pain. And, uh, and I wanted to remember that pain in the future. (wind blowing)
- CWChris Williamson
Tim Kennedy.
- TKTim Kennedy
America.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- TKTim Kennedy
You're fucking here. Sorry.
- CWChris Williamson
I made it, man.
- TKTim Kennedy
All right, do your thing.
- CWChris Williamson
I made it.
- TKTim Kennedy
I'm glad you're here.
- CWChris Williamson
I'm here. I did make it.
- TKTim Kennedy
I'm pumped.
- CWChris Williamson
Thank you.
- TKTim Kennedy
Oh.
- CWChris Williamson
What's happening?
- TKTim Kennedy
Just, uh, busy bee as ever.
- CWChris Williamson
Yes.
- TKTim Kennedy
Um, getting ready for this book and, uh, expanding freedom, preserving and protecting human life, uh, man, just like the purpose of man, I guess.
- 0:41 – 5:26
How Tim’s Childhood Shaped Him
- TKTim Kennedy
- CWChris Williamson
I knew that you'd done a lot and then reading the book, it feels like you've lived maybe between four and five lifetimes to fit everything in.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. My, my mom is absolutely positive that I'm ... If like reincarnation's a real thing, I'm a cat and that I have died nine times already and that I've broken the cat nine life rule because clearly I should have been dead more than nine times already and I've lived at least nine lives.
- CWChris Williamson
Yes. Talk to me about what's driven you through childhood to get to where you are now, the sort of person that's in front of me.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. The, I'm dumb. That's a big contribu- a big contributing factor is I'm dumb. Uh, I'm really stubborn and I can't stop. And when you put those things together, you, um, you have this kind of relentless pursuit of, in my case, it was a purpose and an idea and like it didn't matter as a young man without a fully developed frontal lobe, you know (laughs) , like making lots of bad decisions, I still kept moving, right? Uh, even almost drowning, uh, when I was, I don't know, trying to kill myself or not but swimming out in the Pacific Ocean a couple miles just to try to like get a- another chance at life, um, I just kept swimming, you know? Getting blown up in Afghanistan, just kept moving. Um, you know, like pissing off m- my teammates in Iraq, being a young ignorant narcissist, I just kept moving. So, uh, yeah, just kind of this adventure that is life that's full of failure and lots of struggles in my life, I just kept moving.
- CWChris Williamson
Do you know where that comes from? Is that something that's just in you? Is that... Do you feel like that's herited?
- TKTim Kennedy
Uh, I think a little n- nature and a little nurture. You know, uh, my family, I'm surrounded by greatness, you know. My, my grandpa came from the greatest generation, you know, World War II hero, um, you know, literally dropped bombs on Nazis type guy and, um, survived the Great Depression, you know, the patriarch of our family and setting everything up and then my dad, uh, heroic b- undercover narcotics officer, my big brother, all my uncles, Vietnam War, like I'm j- I'm surrounded by greatness.
- CWChris Williamson
Some strong genetics in there then.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. Just like some strong stuff and then in the environment that I grew up in, ordinary was just not accepted. Like plain average was just not ever e- an allowed state of being, you know? It was, uh, high achievers in every, in everywhere I looked and, um, doing anything else besides the best that you could do was just not enough.
- CWChris Williamson
Did you always know that you wanted to be in the Army?
- TKTim Kennedy
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I was, uh, at North County Christian School, um, the same school that this jerk made fun of Laura Licari because she had a b- a new haircut that looked kind of boyish and, um, shame on her mom for putting that bowl on her head and then cutting her hair but that's what happened. And, um, and he made fun of her and I followed him up onto the play scape and I punched him in his mouth and I pushed him off which broke his arm and I got paddled in the...
- CWChris Williamson
How old were you?
- TKTim Kennedy
I was four. Yeah and, um, but th- in the same time period we journaled like, and I still have this journal today, it's like this little tiny, you know, like it has wallpaper glued on the outside of it, I'm not sure if all kindergartners or kindergarten made their kindergartners do this, but inside of it it's like what do you want to be when you grow up and like who is your family? What does your house look like? And you draw all these things and what do I want to be when I grow up is a picture of a camouflaged guy jumping out of an airplane and a dude wearing a martial art gi doing karate.
- CWChris Williamson
You're kidding me.
- TKTim Kennedy
I'm dead serious. So there's a couple of things that are happening here. One, I very, very early on knew right and wrong and that I was gonna stand up to bullies and two, I kind of knew what I wanted to become and, uh, the journey to become that was long, arduous-
- CWChris Williamson
Meandering.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Meandering.
- TKTim Kennedy
Meandering, yeah that's...
- CWChris Williamson
I got distracted.
- TKTim Kennedy
Lots of living.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Yeah.
- TKTim Kennedy
Before I finally... But man, I got penalized every time I went astray, you know, like I knew-
- CWChris Williamson
How so?
- TKTim Kennedy
Like thinking I had AIDS, that's, that's a good example of it. Knocking up a d- a bunch of women, another great example of it.
- CWChris Williamson
That was prior to the swim out to the ocean, right?
- TKTim Kennedy
That's right.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- TKTim Kennedy
That's right. You know, uh, wrecking my motorcycle. I'm not saying that m- my grandpa died of emphysema by my choices but it felt like it, you know, like every time that I wasn't doing what I was put on this planet to do, I was, the, the consequences of those bad decisions like had serious repercussions.
- 5:26 – 11:58
Is Extreme Ownership Negative?
- TKTim Kennedy
- CWChris Williamson
I've been thinking about this a lot recently, so radical responsibility, you know, Jocko's put this forward-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... taking complete responsibility for the things that you do. I do sometimes wonder if there's such a thing as too much responsibility where you take responsibility for things that you don't have responsibility for and it sounds like maybe that creeps in.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah, there, there might be a little creep, um, but you absolutely need the extreme ownership Jocko approach to this. If you look at all of the things that were going wrong in my life, almost all of them were my doing. Like they were my choices and the repercussions from those, you know, like I go to an orgy with a bunch of girls after a fight and one of the girls has HIV and she walks into the gym and is like, "Hey, I have HIV." It's like cool, this is on me, there's no other blame there, right?
- CWChris Williamson
Yes.
- TKTim Kennedy
Um-
- CWChris Williamson
It wasn't somebody else's penis.
- TKTim Kennedy
No. 100%.
- CWChris Williamson
It's my penis.
- TKTim Kennedy
Mine. My penis. Um, you know like-... putting babies in a few different women at the same time. Like, there's nobody else f ... No one el ... Nobody else's penis in there. Like, that's mine. And, uh, you know, like, failure at work, um, you know, like, indecisiveness in school, like all of those things were ... Those are my decisions. And then compounded by, you know, as we deal with stress, uh, external stressors, you have coping mechanisms and, and those things are the ... how you deal with all of these different struggles. Well, the really important ones to me at the time, one of them, my grandpa was dying in front of me. You know, every breath was just slightly less than the prior breath. So, you know, my motorcycle, like, that was my ... It was me that crashed that. You know, like, I'm going down 90 miles an hour on Highway 46. You know, like, that's a, that's a me choice when that meth ... Sure, that meth head pulled out. You know, but had I been going 55, I could've been able to stop. Um, instead, I, you know, did not. So, I, I definitely hear you, but, um, I'm gonna go ahead and accept ownership for the vast majority of the problems in that specific time period.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. So then when you do decide to get into the Armed Forces, you do decide to join-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... Special Forces.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Is that the beginning of a pathway you begin to take a little bit more responsibility?
- TKTim Kennedy
Th- I love how you're, like, putting in a lot of, um, the adjectives and, and pronouns in there 'cause I, I was not yet ... Like, beginning to, absolutely. I was beginning. I was starting. Uh, this was, like, definitely not a turn. The ... In the hero movie, this is not like that moment where there's, like, hero music and-
- CWChris Williamson
Not the call to adventure yet. It's like-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. And it's like, "Oh, um, he's gonna do the right thing now." That is not happening.
- CWChris Williamson
No. He's gonna continue to fuck up for ages.
- TKTim Kennedy
Ages.
- CWChris Williamson
S- i- eh, episode five.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Like season 10-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
... he might start to get things a little bit less shit.
- TKTim Kennedy
A little bit.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. That's how this ... That's how that journey was. So, lots of really shameful, regretful moments with lots of humbling experiences.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay. So, I, I've heard you talk about this a good bit. I've heard you talk about the fact that sort of shame and reflecting on, um, deficiencies, situations where you didn't know enough, do enough, have the capacity, that that's one of the driving forces for you.
- 11:58 – 24:19
Tim’s Military Deployments
- TKTim Kennedy
- CWChris Williamson
Talk to me about the difference between your first and your second deployment when you went away because the first one, you were part of a team.
- TKTim Kennedy
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And the second one, you were very much-
- TKTim Kennedy
Alone.
- CWChris Williamson
... on your own.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Give me a sense there, because there's kind of this romantic Lone Wolf, like, no fucks, no support needed kinda thing, right?
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Th- that can be put over the top of a character like you.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
But-What's it like that first time? What's the genesis of that? And the reason I ask this is, there are a bunch of people listening who think, "Fucking yes." Like, "I want this. I want to be a sovereign individual with agency who goes after it and gets after stuff in his life." But the first time that you go, that first beginning of the rock moving up the hill can be pretty uncomfortable, and I wanted to hear your sort of sensation around that.
- TKTim Kennedy
And it's supposed to be uncomfortable. You know, the, uh, the Special Forces ODA, the operational detachment alpha, which is like the 12-man A-team, right, like the TV show, The A-Team. Like, it's, it's, it's the collective of all of the best and the brightest put into a team-
- CWChris Williamson
The motherfuckers of the motherfuckers.
- TKTim Kennedy
That's right, uh, dude, and they are hammers. Like, I walked down halls of heroes. I mean, these guys are giants to my left and to my right, both emotionally, physically, mentally. Like, they're just the most incredible humans on the planet. And, um, and I'm the weakest link, you know? I am the newest, I am the weakest, I'm the slowest. Um, I'm the fastest to judgment, um, I'm the quickest to anger. I'm all of the things that I shouldn't be. And the refiner's process, you know, like on, on my war table up there, if we started playing with all of the instruments of violence, all of them were forged in a really similar way, in a really violent way. You know, they, they took a th- a clump of something, they heated it, and they pounded the impurities out of it. And that's what a team does. You know, like I showed up as a lump of uselessness, and through time, through grace, through forgiveness, through suffer- suffering, through ... I, I mean, I guess now they, uh, they call it hazing, but, like, that's part of the process that, um, that shaped-
- CWChris Williamson
Expedited learning. (laughs)
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah, and it is so important. So important. So that first team, that first deployment, I'm surrounded by the best and the brightest, and I am learning painfully what it means to be a team member. Thank God for that, 'cause I would be dead in Afghanistan-
- CWChris Williamson
Many times over.
- TKTim Kennedy
So many times had they just not shaped who I was, how I would respond, how I would think, how I would speak. Um, not just capability and lethality, but also survivability, durability.
- CWChris Williamson
And then you go off on your own.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. Yep. Um, not by design. I was supposed to go over as a smi- sniper team, but, um, my teammate, my sniper teammate had, uh ... You know, in the military, there's this, like, ever-existing joke about the girl that cheats on the guy while he's deployed, and we actually have a name for her. And, um, so that's what happened to him. He deployed, and his-
- CWChris Williamson
What's her name?
- TKTim Kennedy
Jodi.
- CWChris Williamson
Jo ... Oh, I've heard that in movies.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's per- it's pretty, it's pretty there. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- TKTim Kennedy
So like every time Joby, or ... Yeah, what is it? Jodi or Joby? Um, every time that that soldier goes away, she's looking for the next convenient guy, and that, you know, it was all pretty strategic for, for him and for her. So when he left, she drained his bank account, and, um, you know, filed for divorce, and sold all of his stuff. So, you know, he's in war and in crisis mode, and thank God the Special Forces, for once, they never do this, like, they actually cared about the soldier, and they're like, "There's no way he could've been combat effective," right? Like, World War II, it's like, "Sorry, bro. You're already in Europe. Like, en- enjoy the beach. Hopefully you can make it up it or you're dead." Um, this was, this was really cool of the army to bring him back and let him recover his life a little bit so that it wasn't so catastrophic, um-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, but for you-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... what about you?
- 24:19 – 29:32
Comparing the Octagon with the Military
- TKTim Kennedy
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) All right, so these sort of situations-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... does that make stepping into the octagon to punch somebody else in the face under a relatively now restrictive rule set with a guy in there whose job it is to make sure that if anything...... close to serious happens that everything stops. Does that make that seem a bit, like, n- not silly or farcical, but kind of tame?
- TKTim Kennedy
I mean, y- yes and no. Like, I, I would walk into the octagon overy- overly relaxed.
- CWChris Williamson
And do you think that that was contributed to by your time in, in tennis combat Yeah. Yeah. ... essentially?
- TKTim Kennedy
Like Leo Koralinski, when I was fighting for the IFL, I remember the first time that he ever saw me fight. He's like, "What is wrong with you?" Like, "You need to be excited-"
- CWChris Williamson
Many things.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. Like, "You need to be, you need to be excited or, like, nervous. Like, what are you doing?" I was like, "Leo. It's fine, bro. Just, like, go sit down. I'm gonna go fight in a minute." He's like, "You are gonna go fight in a minute? Can you, like, recognize that you're about to go fight?" I was like, "Yeah, yeah." I go out and knock the guy out in the first round. "Leo, can you be cool now?" So it took, like, 10 fights for Leo to realize that, like, meh. But everything's even in fighting, you know? So while I would walk in so, um, relaxed, you know, not stressed... The weight class is very specific. You know, your opponent is picked so that you guys have a competitive fight because nobody wants to watch, you know, like, Mike Tyson fight a th- you know, a prime Mike Tyson fight a 43-year-old fat white dude that got o- came off the couch. Like, that's not interesting. They want to see, like, two apex predator peak athletes go head-to-head. You know, gorilla versus bear. You know, lion versus polar bear. Like, that's what we're looking for. So, you know, the, e- even the referee, like his purp- his purpose ye- there is to make sure that we not just are safe, but that we also fight under the constrictions and the limitations that are the rule set. Which, um, which makes it very competitive, especially when you start getting up to title fights and, you know, like, I spent the last 10 years of my career ranked top 10 in the world. So, like, I'm only to- I'm only fighting top 10 guys. You know, like, the Michael Bispings and the Robbie Lawlers and the Jacares. Um, and that, you know, I... That's hard. Like, there's no... That's hard.
- CWChris Williamson
What's the difference between training for fighting and training for violence? Training for combat violence?
- TKTim Kennedy
There's no difference. You know, they're, um... Training is training.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, I mean, have you used, uh, BJJ in a combat situation?
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. Yeah, I, uh, in Iraq. Uh, kind of humiliating story, so I'm not gonna tell all of it. I'll just give you the high points. Um, we do a call out and we go to a bomb maker's house and we tell everybody to come out. This is not in the book. And, um, almost everybody comes out, but s- one guy stays in there and, and we ask the family, "Who is this and why is he in there?" And they're like, "He's crazy." Uh, the language barrier, it was d- difficult to determine if he was, like, jihad crazy or if he was, like, special needs crazy. We later find out that he was the latter, and, um, so when I go in there with my team and we do a direct action, like, hard knock assault, you know, like, flash bangs. Like, this guy as I, as I turn the corner, I'm the number two guy, number one guy goes right, I went left, it was a center fed room, and this guy was like, "Rah!" And he, like, came. I butt stroke him, breaking every bone in his face, and then, like, he grabs onto me as he's falling. And in my mind, he's, like grabbing all of my stuff on my kit, right? Like, I got a knife here, I got my pistol here, I have, uh, some flash bangs, I got my grenades back here. So I kimura. I grab his arm, I grab his wrist, I reach over his arm, I kimura, and I break every bone in his, in his shoulder, his arm. Like, everything is, like, turned to dust and powder. But kimura is a jujitsu move, and I just did it in, in violent war settings, and, like, it is a very great technique to do in competition. But, like, it works just fine. Kimura's also the, the best technique for weapon retention. Like, we use goose necks and finger flexes to, uh, wrist locks to get weapons and knives out of peoples hands. We use the Americana when we're in mount position. We use knee on belly to give me a chance to, like, look around to make sure... So, like, yeah, it's a lot of similarities. And the brain and the body are shaped in the same way. Like, training's training. And the reason that you see so many high level athletes in special operations that are coming from really, really violent type sports, you see lots of wrestlers, you see lots of water, um, water polo players, you see lots of rugby, lots of football, and they're coming from environments that training like this is really normal. So when they go to special forces selection or they go to the Q course, they're like, "Yeah, this is co-... Yeah, this is cool."
- CWChris Williamson
"I've been here before."
- TKTim Kennedy
"Yeah, I've been here before." Everyone else is like, "What is going on?" Like, "My- I've never... My feet have never felt like this." Like, "Man, I did two days in Texas during football f- camp. This isn't, this isn't anything."
- 29:32 – 37:47
Tim’s Motivations & Sacrifices
- TKTim Kennedy
- CWChris Williamson
You're spinning a lot of plates. Uh, you, headmaster of a school now, sheepdog response-
- TKTim Kennedy
Headmistress. Don't pronoun me wrong.
- CWChris Williamson
Sorry.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Used to identify as-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... now identifies as headmistress.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah, I'm the headmistress of this school. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
There's someone listening to this-
- TKTim Kennedy
As good as it gets.
- CWChris Williamson
... that thinks, "This sounds fucking dope. Like, I, I'm motivated. I want to be this person. I want to have control over my life. I'm gonna set my alarm for 6:00 AM. I'm gonna find a BJJ 5:30 AM. ... gym close to me. I'm gonna do all of this." 5:30, sorry. 4:30 if you're Jocko. Um-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. That's too early.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. (laughs) Yeah, he's got it wrong.
- TKTim Kennedy
That's just too much. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Um, there's someone that sound- that, that's thinking that's what they want to do, but when the alarm goes off tomorrow morning, they're gonna hit snooze.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah, so-
- CWChris Williamson
What is it that's causing you to not hit snooze?
- TKTim Kennedy
Again, well, you can't relegate it to a single decision like that. You know, there... I- I've made, like, millions of decisions leading up to, like, I went to bed on time. You know, like, I had an amazing and intimate night with my wife, you know? Like, she fell over sweaty and smiling. I went and hopped in the shower, came back in bed, and, like, "I'm gonna sleep hard," right? Like, not, like... Figuratively, not literally.
- CWChris Williamson
Yes.
- TKTim Kennedy
You know, like, perfect. Long day of work, had two great workouts, super productive, got to spend time with my family, had a fantastic meal. All of those little decisions led to that alarm going off at 5:30 and me popping up and being like, "Nice." And just playing, uh, let's see, this morning was, uh...... life on Mars. That was my alarm this morning and, uh, it's rad. You know? It's like boom, and I'm up. Loving the song, ready to go after the day. But I wasn't ready for that alarm by it going off. I was ready by, like, thousands of other things that I did before that. So, like, you can't narrow it to a single moment. You have to look at the millions of other opportunities that you had and make the right decisions. And that trend, all of those collectively, will start making a difference, will start mattering.
- CWChris Williamson
It's about speeding up and slowing down, I think. That if momentum is taking you toward a, a suboptimal place, a bad place, maybe all of your effort simply needs to go into slowing that momentum down-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... for a little while. And you- it would be great if you could go and hit every workout and hi- do all of these things, but you've probably got some bad habits that you could do with deprogramming first before you try to add some of the new good ones in. And that's gonna happen step, by step-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... by step.
- TKTim Kennedy
Well, this goes back to what we were talking about at the very beginning about, like, how do you know that those bad habits are, are putting you on a trajectory negative?
- CWChris Williamson
Because you reflect and it hurts.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
You feel the, the pain.
- 37:47 – 40:23
The Loneliness of Natural Selection
- TKTim Kennedy
- CWChris Williamson
What's it feel like to reflect on the fact that so many people that you admired so much, that helped you become the person that you are now, aren't here to see the person that you are now?
- TKTim Kennedy
Man, ironically, the ones that are here are the ones that just wanna see me fail, so it's kind of wild. But, um ...
- CWChris Williamson
Isn't that strange?
- TKTim Kennedy
Isn't it? Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I wonder if that's selection somehow. I wonder if the ones ... What is it?
- TKTim Kennedy
I think about this all the time.
- CWChris Williamson
Do you die, die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
- TKTim Kennedy
Yep. I think about it all the time. It's like, "Why is this one ... like that one, that one, why is that one still alive, and that one's dead?" You know, like ... Yeah, it's wild. You go down that why, if, that what if, why question, man, that is a dark hole. Yeah. Be at the bottom of the bottle on that one.
- CWChris Williamson
But that's one of the motivations for you, right? You say you don't want to feel helpless.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
You don't wanna feel like you don't know. There's that story about, I think you were an EMT when you were 18 or something. And you, uh, you were trying to fix some girl, and then the guy came over that knew what he was supposed to do and said-
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... "You need to find somebody else."
- TKTim Kennedy
"Yeah, I got this."
- CWChris Williamson
"Yeah, I got this."
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. Tom Way. Tom Way, I love you. Uh ...
- CWChris Williamson
Is he still about?
- TKTim Kennedy
He's still about.
- CWChris Williamson
Good man.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
We go- we got one.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah, there's one. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) Yes, sir.
- TKTim Kennedy
Um, and, uh, yeah, that, that, that frustration of not knowing what to do and that helplessness is something that like, like that is a pain that like you'll carry forever, and that is a shame. That is a humiliation of like standing there like, "I don't know what to do." Like, had I trained, had I prepared, um, had I made more of those right decisions, I wouldn't be standing here. I would already be taking action and saving somebody's life. But instead, out of whatever selfish decisions I made prior, I don't know what to do, and now this person might die. So yeah, it's a big motivator.
- CWChris Williamson
What can you tell us about what you're doing next?
- TKTim Kennedy
Man, that's tricky. When does this podcast come out?
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, when do you want it to come out?
- TKTim Kennedy
Well, uh, if we do it in like two weeks, then I can say that I'm going to Eastern Europe-
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- 40:23 – 40:52
Where to Find Tim
- CWChris Williamson
and gentlemen. Uh, dude, I, I love what you do. I'm very, very happy that I'm in the same city as you.
- TKTim Kennedy
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I'm looking forward to connecting hopefully after this as well.
- TKTim Kennedy
For sure.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, good luck, man.
- TKTim Kennedy
Thank you.
- CWChris Williamson
Stay safe. I think we need more people like you.
- TKTim Kennedy
Thanks for the chat.
- CWChris Williamson
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