The Wild Ethics Of Human Genetic Enhancement - Dr Jonathan Anomaly

Chris Williamson and Dr Jonathan Anomaly on the Coming Genetic Arms Race: Ethics, Inequality, And Human Futures.

Dr Jonathan AnomalyguestChris Williamsonhost

Mar 5, 20231h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

Historical and conceptual foundations of eugenics and behavioral geneticsCurrent and emerging technologies: IVF, embryo selection, polygenic risk scores, CRISPR, and IVGMoral distinctions: voluntary vs coercive eugenics; enhancement vs environmental interventionGenetic inequality, assortative mating, and potential future human speciationCultural and political resistance: blank-slate ideology, ‘woke’ critiques, and cognitive dissonanceTrait selection priorities: intelligence, personality, health, attractiveness, and their trade-offsDemographic collapse, liberalism’s instability, and pro-natalist cultural futures

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In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Dr Jonathan Anomaly and Chris Williamson, The Wild Ethics Of Human Genetic Enhancement - Dr Jonathan Anomaly explores the Coming Genetic Arms Race: Ethics, Inequality, And Human Futures Dr. Jonathan Anomaly and Chris Williamson explore the ethics, history, and future of eugenics and genetic enhancement, arguing that much of what we already do in mate choice is effectively informal eugenics. They explain how technologies like IVF, embryo selection, polygenic risk scores, and future methods such as in vitro gametogenesis (IVG) could allow parents to select for traits like health, intelligence, and personality at unprecedented precision and scale. Anomaly contends that the real moral line is not between environment and genes, or between ‘eugenics’ and ‘enhancement,’ but between voluntary, welfare-promoting uses and coercive, abusive ones. They also warn that these technologies will amplify existing genetic and social inequalities, potentially drive societal stratification or even speciation, and collide head‑on with blank-slate political ideologies and collapsing birth rates in wealthy societies.

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

The Coming Genetic Arms Race: Ethics, Inequality, And Human Futures

Dr. Jonathan Anomaly and Chris Williamson explore the ethics, history, and future of eugenics and genetic enhancement, arguing that much of what we already do in mate choice is effectively informal eugenics. They explain how technologies like IVF, embryo selection, polygenic risk scores, and future methods such as in vitro gametogenesis (IVG) could allow parents to select for traits like health, intelligence, and personality at unprecedented precision and scale. Anomaly contends that the real moral line is not between environment and genes, or between ‘eugenics’ and ‘enhancement,’ but between voluntary, welfare-promoting uses and coercive, abusive ones. They also warn that these technologies will amplify existing genetic and social inequalities, potentially drive societal stratification or even speciation, and collide head‑on with blank-slate political ideologies and collapsing birth rates in wealthy societies.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Eugenics in practice already exists through mate choice and reproductive decisions.

Anomaly defines eugenics broadly as using knowledge of heredity to shape offspring traits, noting that sexual selection, mate preferences, and existing IVF screening are all forms of ‘soft’ eugenics long predating explicit genetic technologies.

Embryo selection with polygenic scores is already technically possible for many traits.

Using genome-wide association studies and polygenic risk scores, clinics can now rank embryos for risks of diseases (e.g., diabetes, heart disease, schizophrenia) and probabilistic traits like height and cognitive ability, allowing parents to choose embryos with substantially different life prospects.

Voluntary, welfare-enhancing genetic choices differ morally from coercive state programs.

Anomaly stresses that the crucial ethical line is between parents using options to improve their children’s welfare versus governments imposing sterilizations, bans, or mass ‘improvements’; he argues the Nazi analogy is misapplied to contemporary, consent-based enhancement.

Genetic and social inequality will likely increase, but bans may worsen it.

Assortative mating by intelligence and education is already concentrating genetic advantages; adding genetic tech will accelerate this. Outright bans would mainly push access into elite black markets, so he favors regulated access and subsidies to help ‘genetically poor’ families catch up.

Environmental and genetic interventions are ethically analogous when outcomes are similar.

The discussion likens choosing against low-IQ embryos to preventing prenatal brain damage from lead or alcohol: both are irreversible, life-shaping interventions, so privileging environment as ‘natural’ while demonizing genes is often just a naturalistic fallacy.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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Eugenics, in the broadest sense, is any attempt to harness the knowledge that we have about heredity to influence the traits of our kids.

— Jonathan Anomaly

We're already getting increasing genetic inequalities in the West without any of this technology. What’ll the technology do? It’ll accelerate those inequalities.

— Jonathan Anomaly

The decision to refrain from [embryo gene editing] is itself a form of either eugenics or genetic enhancement.

— Jonathan Anomaly

All new technology is a toy for the rich until it’s not.

— Jonathan Anomaly

The decision to do nothing is a decision to shape future humans in very specific ways, whether you like it or not.

— Jonathan Anomaly

QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THIS EPISODE

5 questions

If genetic enhancement and embryo selection become cheap and safe, should they be framed as parental obligations rather than optional luxuries?

Dr. Jonathan Anomaly and Chris Williamson explore the ethics, history, and future of eugenics and genetic enhancement, arguing that much of what we already do in mate choice is effectively informal eugenics. They explain how technologies like IVF, embryo selection, polygenic risk scores, and future methods such as in vitro gametogenesis (IVG) could allow parents to select for traits like health, intelligence, and personality at unprecedented precision and scale. Anomaly contends that the real moral line is not between environment and genes, or between ‘eugenics’ and ‘enhancement,’ but between voluntary, welfare-promoting uses and coercive, abusive ones. They also warn that these technologies will amplify existing genetic and social inequalities, potentially drive societal stratification or even speciation, and collide head‑on with blank-slate political ideologies and collapsing birth rates in wealthy societies.

How should societies draw ethical and legal lines between acceptable trait selection (e.g., health) and controversial ones (e.g., personality, political temperament, or sex)?

What policies could prevent a permanent genetic underclass while still allowing innovation and individual freedom in reproductive choices?

How might widespread enhancement interact with collapsing birth rates and the potential demographic dominance of religious or nationalist groups?

At what point would differences created by genetic enhancement justify speaking of new human ‘subspecies,’ and how should rights and social cohesion be managed in such a world?

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