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Why Pain & Suffering Are Necessary For A Good Life - Paul Bloom

Paul Bloom is Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Yale University and an author. People do strange things to feel pleasure. Eating spicy food, having rough sex, watching scary movies. On top of that, they make huge sacrifices to find meaning, like having children or starting a business or training for a marathon. This suggests that perhaps there is more to living a good life than simple hedonistic pleasure. Expect to learn the four ways that we enjoy suffering, how the sexual fantasies of men & women differ, the true red pill around whether more money will make you happier, what you can learn about mindfulness from a dominatrix, why people love to watch sad movies, how a life without discomfort will become hell and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Get 10% discount on your first month from BetterHelp at https://betterhelp.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://www.manscaped.com/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 83% discount & 3 months free from Surfshark VPN at https://surfshark.deals/MODERNWISDOM (use code MODERNWISDOM) Extra Stuff: Buy The Sweet Spot - https://amzn.to/3DtmiSb Follow Paul on Twitter - https://twitter.com/paulbloomatyale Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #psychology #pain #pleasure - 00:00 Intro 03:51 How People Use Suffering to get Pleasure 13:14 Why We Love Scary Movies 25:04 What is the Ethics Paradox? 32:14 Why Suffering is Important for a Meaningful Life 39:37 The Relationship Between Meaning & Pleasure 54:12 How Wealth Affects Happiness 1:02:26 The Role of Sacrifice in Meaning 1:08:44 What is Compensatory Control? 1:15:48 How to Apply ‘The Sweet Spot’ 1:17:06 Where to Find Paul - Join the Modern Wisdom Community on Locals - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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Nov 25, 20211h 17mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Why Chosen Suffering Makes Life Deeper, Richer, And More Meaningful

  1. Paul Bloom discusses themes from his book *The Sweet Spot*, arguing that humans don’t just seek pleasure; we also deeply want meaning, morality, and mastery—and the right kinds of suffering are often essential to those goals.
  2. He distinguishes between chosen and unchosen suffering, showing how voluntary difficulty can enhance pleasure (through contrast, signaling, flow, and escape from self) and is built into meaningful pursuits like work, parenting, and creative projects.
  3. Bloom and Chris Williamson explore how narrative, status, money, religion, and memory shape our experience of pain and happiness, including why we enjoy horror and sad movies, why effort can be attractive, and how we mis-remember experiences.
  4. They conclude that directly chasing happiness is often counterproductive; instead, committing to challenging, purposeful activities—accepting risk and struggle—tends to yield both meaning and genuine, durable satisfaction.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat pleasure as one goal among several, not the only one.

Bloom’s “motivational pluralism” suggests we should consciously balance pleasure with meaning and morality; a life aimed solely at feeling good often ends up empty or dissatisfying when we step back and evaluate it.

Seek the right kinds of chosen difficulty to deepen your life.

Activities like hard workouts, demanding writing, parenting, or starting a business are meaningful precisely because they involve risk of failure, effort, and struggle—without that, they feel trivial or boring.

Use contrast and sequencing to make pleasures richer.

Brief, voluntary discomfort (a hot sauna before a cold plunge, spicy food before a cool drink, narrative suffering before narrative payoff) amplifies subsequent pleasure; we also prefer lives and stories that get better over time.

Do hard, important tasks early to avoid the ‘anxiety cost.’

Putting off key daily actions (writing, workouts, meditation) forces you to mentally carry them all day; completing them early removes dread and gives a lingering sense of accomplishment and self-respect.

Cultivate flow by engaging in challenging but manageable activities.

Tasks that are hard enough to demand full attention—but not so hard they create panic—produce immersive “flow” states; these often aren’t pleasant in the moment but are deeply satisfying and central to a good life.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

People want more than one thing. We want pleasure, but we also want morality. We want meaning.

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You don’t want to fail. But on the other hand, the chance of failure has to be part and parcel of the thing.

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Hell is where you get everything you want.

Paul Bloom (summarizing a Twilight Zone story)

A meaningful life is positively correlated with low GDP, not high GDP… struggle and meaning are intertwined.

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Happiness and pleasure is a goal, but it’s the kind of goal you get while you’re doing other things.

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Motivational pluralism: humans seek pleasure, meaning, and morality, not just happinessChosen vs. unchosen suffering and why voluntary pain can be rewardingPsychological mechanisms: contrast, signaling, mastery, flow, and escape from selfPleasures of fear and sadness: horror, sad movies, BDSM, and sexual fantasiesEffort paradox and flow: why we sometimes crave hard, effortful activitiesMeaning vs. pleasure: jobs, wealth, status, and the remembering vs. experiencing selfReligion, narrative, and compensatory control in making sense of suffering

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