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Big Tech CEOs Kiss the Ring at Donald Trump’s Inauguration | Pivot

On this episode of Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway break down the optics and significance of Big Tech CEOs attending Donald Trump's inauguration — including Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and Sam Altman. They also dig into the future of TikTok, and whether any of the last-minute rescue plans will succeed. Plus, the confirmation hearings for Trump cabinet nominees Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth get heated, but does it matter? Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro Chat 04:28 - Trump's Inauguration and Big Tech 11:20 - Biden's Farewell Warning 15:12 - WaPo Employees Send Letter to Bezos 20:12 - Big Story: TikTok's Future 29:47 - Big Story: Trump Noms’ Heated Hearings 44:17 - Listener Mail 50:36 - Predictions 56:30 - Prof G Preview / Programming Note 59:03 - Credits #pivot #podcast #donaldtrump #inauguration #elonmusk #jeffbezos #markzuckerberg #samaltman #joebiden #washingtonpost #tiktok #petehegseth #pambondi #confirmationhearings Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

Kara SwisherhostScott GallowayhostPam BondiguestPete HegsethguestNancy (caller from Santa Rosa, CA)guest
Jan 16, 202559mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Big Tech Titans Bow To Trump As Democracy, TikTok Teeter

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway riff on Trump’s inauguration, focusing on the spectacle of Big Tech CEOs attending and what that reveals about power, shareholder incentives, and creeping autocracy. They contrast this with Biden’s largely overlooked but historically important farewell warning about a new tech-industrial oligarchy. The conversation then turns to the TikTok ban, China’s leverage over Elon Musk, and the broader failures of U.S. policy to address Chinese apps and data security coherently. In the back half, they dissect Trump’s cabinet confirmations—especially Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth—as signs of hollowed-out governance, and close with economic implications of the LA fires, bank exposure, climate risk, and how tariffs and immigration policy may drive inflation.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Extreme wealth hasn’t translated into political independence for tech CEOs.

Despite being among the richest people in the world, leaders like Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Cook and others are still willing to “kiss the ring” at Trump’s inauguration to protect shareholder value and regulatory favor, showing how shareholder incentives overpower personal principle.

Biden’s tech-industrial complex warning may age like Eisenhower’s speech.

Swisher and Galloway argue Biden’s farewell remarks on an emerging oligarchy of tech and money are historically important even if largely ignored now, akin to Eisenhower’s prescient warning about the military-industrial complex.

The TikTok fight is about geopolitical credibility as much as data security.

They stress that backing off the congressionally mandated TikTok divest-or-ban would signal to China that the U.S. “blinks,” weakening U.S. bargaining power on broader trade and security issues regardless of which party is in power.

Elon Musk’s behavior shows how economic dependence curbs ‘free speech absolutism.’

Galloway notes Musk loudly attacks U.S. and democratic leaders but is conspicuously deferential toward China and other regimes that can harm his businesses, illustrating how economic exposure creates selective speech and geopolitical risk.

Democrats are attacking the wrong vector on Trump’s defense nominee.

They argue Senate Democrats focused too much on Pete Hegseth’s personal scandals and not enough on exposing his lack of domain expertise—missing a chance to publicly demonstrate his strategic and operational incompetence for the Defense role.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I refuse to normalize this shit.

Kara Swisher

None of these people want to go. None of them have to. They’re all worth $100 billion… I don’t know why you would be that rich and be pushed around like that.

Kara Swisher

Between X and social media, they have basically just squeezed out… Is Biden still president? You wouldn’t know.

Scott Galloway

We’re blinking right now. And I think that has geopolitical ramifications across any negotiation, whether it’s China or trade.

Scott Galloway

He can be a low-character person and still, I hate to say this, be probably a competent Secretary of Defense. What you can’t be is a high-character person who doesn’t know what the fuck you’re doing.

Scott Galloway

Trump’s inauguration and Big Tech CEOs attending as a “sheeple” spectacleBiden’s farewell warning about a tech-industrial oligarchy and democratic riskTikTok ban: national security, Supreme Court timing, and China’s leverageElon Musk’s relationship with China, free speech hypocrisy, and potential TikTok acquisitionTrump cabinet confirmations: Pam Bondi, Pete Hegseth, competence vs. characterLA wildfire destruction, role of banks, insurance, and climate risk socializationInflation, tariffs, immigrant labor, and rebuilding costs as macroeconomic “adults in the room”

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