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Paramount Beats Netflix in Battle for Warner Bros. | Pivot

Kara and Scott discuss Anthropic pushing back on the Pentagon's demands, and Trump's longest-ever State of the Union. Then, Paramount wins the battle for Warner Bros. after Netflix drops out — Puck’s Bill Cohan joins with insights. Plus, Nvidia posts blockbuster earnings, and a viral memo warning of AI-triggered mass layoffs rattles Wall Street. Visit https://www.resistandunsubscribe.com/ for tickets to our Minneapolis show on March 8th! Pivot is returning to the Vox Media Podcast Stage at SXSW for a live taping on March 15th, presented by Odoo. Visit http://voxmedia.com/sxsw to learn more and get a 15% discount on your Innovation badge. Or use code VOXMEDIA15 at checkout on SXSW.com. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #stateoftheunion #anthropic #pentagon #paramount #warnerbros #netflix #nvidia 00:00 Intro 00:25 Resist and Unsubscribe Update 3:58 Kara and Scott: Live in Minneapolis! 7:15 SOTU Reactions 12:47 Paramount Wins WB Bid 29:09 Nvidia Earnings 33:10 AI Memo Rattles Markets 45:21 Anthropic Pushes Back on Pentagon 52:20 Epstein Fallout Continues 59:31 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Manolo Moreno Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Scott GallowayhostKara SwisherhostBill Cohanguest
Feb 27, 20261h 6mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Catastrophizing sounds smart: opening banter on doom loops

    Scott and Kara kick off with a riff on why dramatic, worst-case framing feels persuasive—especially in markets and media. The exchange sets up a recurring theme: distinguishing compelling narratives from what data and incentives actually support.

  2. Resist & Unsubscribe momentum and what happens after February

    Scott shares that the Resist & Unsubscribe campaign has grown beyond expectation and is consuming serious time and energy. Kara advises formalizing the effort by hiring dedicated support and treating it like an ongoing program, not a one-month stunt.

  3. Pivot goes live: Minneapolis show details and charity focus

    They announce a live Pivot event in Minneapolis tied to Resist & Unsubscribe, positioning it as both solidarity and tangible action. Proceeds are directed to a local immigration-related charity, with plans for surprise guests and a current-events format.

  4. Unsubscribing in practice: Kara cancels One Medical (Amazon)

    Kara describes unsubscribing her family from One Medical despite liking the service, using it as a concrete example of consumer leverage. The segment underscores the campaign’s core idea: individual choices can aggregate into pressure on companies.

  5. State of the Union reactions: tone, optics, and the rebuttal problem

    They dissect Trump’s lengthy SOTU as heavy on performance and light on substance, noting crowd dynamics and partisan staging. Scott argues Democrats need to professionalize the rebuttal as a major media event to compete with the spectacle.

  6. Breaking news deep-dive: Paramount beats Netflix for Warner Bros. Discovery

    Kara interrupts the regular episode with a major update: Paramount wins the WBD bidding battle as Netflix walks away on price. Joined by Bill Cohan, they explore why Paramount viewed the deal as existential, while Netflix stayed disciplined.

  7. Why the price exploded: Zaslav’s auction, scarcity value, and deal hangover risk

    Cohan and Kara unpack how WBD went from single-digit lows to a $31/share deal largely due to process and scarcity rather than fundamental improvement. They warn that the buyer’s euphoria may be followed by hard integration choices and over-leverage.

  8. Ellison’s motives and the financing stack: ego, legacy, and massive leverage

    They question why Larry Ellison would fund a heavily leveraged media buy, framing it as legacy-driven and ego-involved rather than purely financial. The conversation highlights the scale of equity and debt, plus the unavoidable need to cut costs to delever.

  9. Politics and regulation: Trump, the FCC, and merger approval realities

    They explore regulatory pathways (DOJ/HSR, EU review) and the political overlay around media assets like CBS/CNN. Cohan argues politicians can posture, but approvals run through agencies; Kara probes the risks of political interference and editorial pressure.

  10. Nvidia earnings blowout: scale, margins, and why the stock isn’t ripping

    Back with Scott, they break down Nvidia’s outsized quarter—soaring data-center revenue, remarkable margins, and continued acceleration despite size. Scott notes the market’s mixed reaction, suggesting investors are punishing both AI capex spenders and the prime beneficiary collecting that spend.

  11. Viral AI crash memo and private credit jitters: doom loop vs opportunity

    They discuss a widely shared memo hypothesizing rapid AI-driven white-collar layoffs, a consumer demand hit, and a feedback-loop recession—emphasizing it as scenario-building rather than prediction. The talk expands to private credit fears (e.g., Blue Owl) and how narratives can drag entire sectors down.

  12. AI and jobs: going upstream, new business formation, and ‘what could go right’

    Scott and Kara debate whether AI mirrors past tech shifts that removed rote work but created higher-value roles, or whether speed makes it uniquely destabilizing. Scott argues the better framing is opportunity creation—lower startup friction, transaction costs, and barriers—while Kara emphasizes social backlash risk and weak U.S. retraining systems.

  13. Anthropic vs. Pentagon: model safeguards, contracts, and government overreach

    They cover Anthropic refusing Pentagon demands for unrestricted Claude access despite contract pressure, framing it as a corporate right and a potential branding win. They also note Anthropic softening a safety pledge under competitive pressure, raising the tension between safety ideals and race dynamics.

  14. Epstein files fallout and the debate over public release vs focused prosecution

    Kara argues missing DOJ summaries and ongoing revelations keep pressure on powerful figures and expose impunity, including Trump-related allegations and broader elite connections. Scott contends indiscriminate document dumps create distraction and harm victims, advocating structured investigation and prosecutions—potentially via special counsel.

  15. Predictions: buying the dip in private credit and PE managers

    Scott’s prediction is an investing thesis: public private-credit and alternative-asset managers have been oversold on fear narratives. He argues their fundraising and fee growth remain strong, creating a valuation mismatch that could mean upside if sentiment normalizes.

  16. Listener prompt + SXSW programming: Bezos/Sanchez Met Gala costumes and live shows

    They close with a listener question prompt about what Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez will wear as honorary Met Gala chairs, riffing on money, influence, and fashion spectacle. They also preview multiple SXSW live tapings for Pivot and related shows and share logistics for attending.

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