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Kara and Scott are live in Minneapolis for a special show celebrating 'Resist and Unsubscribe.' They’re joined by Minnesota Governor Tim Walz to discuss how the state pushed back against Trump, ICE, and Kristi Noem — and what Democrats should be doing now. Then, Target’s political stance continues to frustrate critics, Elon Musk takes the stand, and a new Kansas law invalidates driver's licenses for transgender residents. Plus, Scott gives an update on the impact of 'Resist and Unsubscribe,' and reveals what comes next. A special thank you to Tane Danger and ⁠⁠Danger Boat Productions⁠ in Minneapolis! This episode was recorded at The Pantages Theater in Minneapolis on March 8, 2026. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #resistandunsubscribe #minneapolis #minnesota #timwalz #kristinoem #target #anthropic #elonmusk Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:53 Gov. Tim Walz 30:15 Target Boycotts 36:42 Anthropic Apologizes 42:13 Elon Testifies 47:24 Kansas Invalidates IDs 52:37 Minneapolis OnlyFans 01:03:09 Resist and Unsubscribe Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Christine Driscoll Video Producer: Rich Shibley Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott GallowayhostTim Walzguest
Mar 9, 20261h 20mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Walz on ICE crackdown, corporate cowardice, and subscription-driven resistance strategy

  1. Recorded live at Minneapolis’ Pantages Theater to benefit the Immigrant Law Center of Minnesota, the episode opens with Gov. Tim Walz reacting to Kristi Noem’s firing and demanding federal and state accountability for alleged constitutional and human-rights violations tied to ICE operations in Minnesota.
  2. Walz argues community-led street-level organizing—not elected officials—was decisive in forcing federal pullback, and he urges investigations, potential indictments, and a rejection of “just following orders” defenses.
  3. Swisher and Galloway then cover headlines: Target’s perceived failure to defend employees/customers, Anthropic’s clash with the Trump administration and Pentagon restrictions, Elon Musk’s market-manipulation lawsuit, Kansas invalidating trans IDs, and Minneapolis’ high OnlyFans spending as a lens on male loneliness.
  4. Galloway closes with a data-heavy update on “Resist and Unsubscribe,” pitching subscription cancellations as a scalable economic strike to change CEO and White House incentives, citing traffic, conversion rates, and plans to focus campaigns (e.g., ChatGPT) and hire staff to sustain momentum.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Walz frames Noem’s removal as insufficient; accountability must continue.

He describes himself as “petty as hell” but argues the harm in Minnesota demands investigations and consequences—potentially indictments and imprisonment—while insisting the chain of responsibility leads back to Trump.

Local, organic community action is portrayed as the primary lever against federal overreach.

Walz credits “people on the streets,” mutual-aid networks, and parents protecting schools for changing outcomes, advising leaders elsewhere to support (not supplant) grassroots coordination and be prepared for rapid response.

Democrats’ credibility depends on delivering tangible improvements, not “strongly worded letters.”

Walz contrasts norm-bound Democratic behavior with Republicans’ willingness to break institutions, arguing Democrats should be willing to “break all the norms” to pass priorities like universal healthcare and middle-class strengthening.

Target’s CEO missed a rare moment to convert values into shareholder advantage.

Swisher and Galloway argue Target’s bland messaging (“North Star” talking points) squandered the chance to defend employees and win loyalty, with Galloway framing it as “spine, not spin” and a major market opportunity.

The safest way for CEOs to resist is collective action, not solo defiance.

Galloway suggests individual firms fear retaliation (government as major customer/regulator), so what’s needed is a coordinated coalition of dozens of major CEOs issuing clear constitutional and stakeholder-based red lines.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“In this case, I’m petty as hell.”

Tim Walz

“Just following orders didn’t get you out of anything.”

Tim Walz

“What happened right and why they left was because of the people on the streets.”

Tim Walz

“What this city deserves is spine, not spin.”

Scott Galloway

“The most radical act in capitalism is non-participation.”

Scott Galloway

Walz vs. Noem: accountability and investigationsCommunity resistance in Minneapolis and local organizing tacticsCorporate capitulation vs. collective CEO pushbackTarget boycotts and stakeholder trustAnthropic vs. Trump administration; Pentagon “supply chain risk” labelElon Musk lawsuit over Twitter deal tweetsKansas trans ID invalidation and “bounty” provisionsOnlyFans economics and male loneliness“Resist and Unsubscribe” strategy, metrics, and next steps

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