Trump's Third Term Tease | Pivot

Scott Galloway 0:00 How many hours a night do you sleep?

Kara Swisher 0:01 Four hours, five hours. Sometimes, I sleep a long time. I might want to sleep after this show. (instrumental music) Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.

Scott Galloway 0:16 And I'm Scott Galloway.

Kara Swisher 0:18 And today, we have a listener mailbag for you, because we love our listeners, we love our fans. By the way, everyone's come up to me in the past couple of weeks, thank you, I appreciate it. And they all say hello to Scott. Um, but now we're going to listen to them. So let's listen to the first

Kara Swisher 0:32 one.

Caller (fan question) 0:33 Hey, Scott and Kara. I'm always amazed when I'm listening to you all on 2x speed how quickly you're able to pull up facts and stats to back up your points and give more texture to them. As somebody who's less, uh, up to speed on how podcasts are run, how are you able to get your information so quickly? Are you on ChatGPT looking these things up? Do you have it prepared ahead of time? Or do you have a whole team of people who are looking these things up for you? I would love a better idea of how the sausage is made. And yes, I just handed you a dick joke too. Thank you so much. Bye.

Kara Swisher 1:06 Well, well, well, well, let me just tell you something. We have producers, and we have great producers and writers and researchers. Scott has a bunch. And they give us a whole script of information and, some of which we use, some of which we don't, but it's at our fingertips. We also know a lot of stuff. We also ourselves know a lot of stuff and have been covering things or talking about them. But sc- Scott, you can talk about what you use. I know you use, uh, ChatGPT and, and other things much more than I do. But, um, we have lots of amazing people. For this show, I'll call them out, Lara Naiman, uh, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin, for example. And Scott?

Scott Galloway 1:41 Yeah, so, uh, first is, and I'm not a humble person, I have an aptitude for numbers and I like data, but more than anything, uh, greatness is in the agency of others. And I have... People think that it's us producing this content. We obviously have our producers here. My small media company has 18 people, and I have three people who do nothing but try and find interesting data. And also, my trick is, when I find an interesting piece of data myself, I text it to my data team and I ask them to incorporate it in my presentations, and then I will write it down on my Apple Notes to try and cement it in my memory. So for example, yesterday, I saw a piece of data that just blew me away and I wrote it down, and it'll show up on my next deck when I do a speaking engagement, and that piece of data was the following. Uh, over 50% of 18 to 24-year-old males have never asked a woman out in person. And I thought that was so illuminating and horrifying, um, that I wrote it down, and you can, you can bet you're going to hear it again across all my different media channels. So, greatness is in the agency of others, but also when you find an interesting piece of data, it's not like I'm some Svengali that can just recall shit. I write it down and I use it over and over such that it becomes a static part of my wet matter.

Kara Swisher 2:52 Yeah, but we do, we do work from scripts, but we're very loose with them, and at the same time, they're critical and necessary so we can give you the right facts, 'cause... And we have fact checkers, by the way, also, so that if we get anything wrong, and that, by that I mean Scott, um, we can, we can, uh, we can check them very quickly or change them. So, we spent a lot of... There's time on that. A lot of podcasts do not do that, but we do. Um...

Scott Galloway 3:13 98 of lesbians end up divorced.

Kara Swisher 3:14 Okay. All right, okay.

Scott Galloway 3:15 98%.

Kara Swisher 3:16 I'm not getting divorced ever.

Scott Galloway 3:17 98%.

Kara Swisher 3:17 My wife is wonderful. Anyway, uh, Scott, the next one comes from a TikTok employee. How exciting. Let's listen.

TikTok employee caller 3:24 Hi, Kara and Scott. It's me, your girl in Austin, Texas. Um, I am a current TikTok employee, and I feel like we have been left out of the conversation surrounding TikTok entirely. Um, there's a thousand employees just in the city that I live in, um, and there's many thousand more throughout the US, and I'm just wondering, what are current TikTok employees in the US supposed to do? Are we sticking around? Do you think we should jump ship? Uh, please let me know. Thank you so much.

TikTok employee caller 3:58 Bye.

Kara Swisher 3:58 Oh. I think there's gonna be a deal soon, if I'm gonna make a prediction here. Scott usually makes the predictions. But I think there's going to be... It's being... The process is being run by JD Vance and Mike Waltz, um, and I think they're trying to figure out if there's a way that the bigger US owners, probably be Elon or Ellison, Larry Ellison or something like that. Uh, I don't know what to say. If you... If Elon buys it, do you want to work for Elon Musk? If Elon gets the big shot, which, of course, he's... he loves... He's grifting around all over the government, so maybe he'll get it. Do you want to work for him? Um, I think you have skills that are transferrable everywhere in, in terms of what you're doing at TikTok. What a great product away from all the mishigas around the ownership and the Chinese government. Um, so, I don't know. I might wait and see to see until the deal is done. Scott?

Scott Galloway 4:47 Humans will do almost anything to avoid pain, and a subset of pain is the unknown, not knowing what's going to happen. And so I get a lot of calls like this when companies are in play, being acquired, not doing well. "Should I leave?" Um, "Is it going to be shut down?" So this is that type of question, and my general advice is the following, is that change and disruption, um, you need to ask yourself what could go right. And that is, um, one, you don't know what's going to happen, but also, if a lot of people get... Say it gets closed down and a lot of people get laid off, but the US operation becomes, um, the headquarters for North America sans the US and a lot of people leave, that creates a lot of opportunity for promotions. So, my, my general advice in situations where there's a lot of change and disruption is to ignore the psychological damage to the extent you can, or the insecurity of the unknown, because disruption brings a lot of opportunity, and you might find yourself, in six months, in 12 months, after a big event or non-event, in a much better place than you'd anticipated. So, especially with a company like TikTok that's got so much consumer power, stick around and play it out. See what ne- See what the next card when they turn over... turn it over, see what it is.

Kara Swisher 6:02 Okay. All right. A good one. Okay, um, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, more listener questions.Scott, we're back with more listener mail. Let's listen to

Kara Swisher 6:12 another one.

Whitney from Dallas (caller) 6:12 Hi, Sara and Scott. Love the pod. My name is Whitney, and I'm from Dallas, Texas. I feel like nobody's talking about the fact that every corporation is completely gutting their organization, restructuring, reorging, renaming C-suite executives and cutting tons and tons and tons of workers. What's going on? And what is going to happen in the future for all of these workers looking for jobs, but also the fact that the companies are kind of wiping middle management, and there's not going to be anyone to mentor this younger talent? Would love your thoughts. Thank

Whitney from Dallas (caller) 6:54 you.

Kara Swisher 6:54 Well, uh, you know, we talk a lot about the g- uh, the Department of Government Efficiency. Companies have been doing this really recently. They've seen that they can really cut people and don't need them, um, as much as they did, and so they're taking the opportunity to do so. Uh, every company's got to be looking at the costs. I... Scott and I were with someone recently who said he's going from 6,000 software engineers, this is not just affecting middle management, to 2,000 next year. I mean, I think everyone's looking for what they can make do with and not to just ruin it. They don't need as many people with AI, they don't need as many people for what they're doing, and they're trying to, if... m- put efficiency in. And you're gonna see this happen everywhere, and if you're a company, that's, is your job, is to... Of course, they'll pay themselves more. That's what Meta just did, it just gave, uh, top executives more money, and meanwhile they're doing layoffs. So, even the very successful companies are, are doing this, not just the ones in distress. Scott?

Scott Galloway 7:49 Yeah. I, I, I, I think I have a little bit of a different take, and I think the underlying assumption is there's a lot of, um, unemployment and the reality is, unemployment is still at pretty much historical lows, hovering around 4, 4.1%. Jobless claims are up a bit. There's a lot of headline news. I think the media loves... The media is like a Tyrannosaurus rex, it likes movement and violence, and any indication of things bad in the jobless market or unemployment gets a lot of noise. But the reality is, employment in the US is still very, very strong, and distinct to that, there's a lot of change, tumult, insecurity, catastrophizing around AI, uh, and then a lot of people argue that that unemployment number is a bit illusory because you're considered a discouraged worker or if you're no longer seeking employment after two years.

Kara Swisher 8:36 It's who you count. It's who you count.

Scott Galloway 8:38 And they don't count. Uh, uh, that's right. But, but having said that, in general, it would be really difficult to make the argument that unemployment is bad right now. It just isn't, and I would argue that it's not about unemployment, it's about wages and it's about the percentage of workers' wages relative to GDP, relative to the stock market's percentage and corporate profits. Essentially labor as a percentage, or wages as a percentage, of GDP are at a near all-time low f- or near 40-year low, whereas profits and shareholder value as a percentage of GDP is staggering. So in sum, it's easy to get a job, it's just not easy to get a job where you can make a good living, and I think that's the focus, but unemployment just isn't-

Kara Swisher 9:21 Right.

Scott Galloway 9:21 ... it just...

Kara Swisher 9:21 But I do think companies are finding ways, uh, successful and that's, uh, just really efficiency, efficiency. They're driving

Scott Galloway 9:27 And they should, that's their job.

Kara Swisher 9:29 Yeah. That's what they're doing.

Scott Galloway 9:29 And, and, and the people who figure out how to be part of that efficiency are gonna make more money. So, uh, that, that's just capitalism, but, uh, unemployment is actually at historic lows right now. So, uh, I think there's a lot of insecurity, I think there's more job changes. Uh, let me move to s- uh, what is actionable. A lot of people call me and say, "I hate my job. What do I do?" I'm like, I think every three to five years, you should quit your job.

Kara Swisher 9:51 Yeah, me too.

Scott Galloway 9:52 Even if you don't quit, and what I mean by that... Well, you're different, you actually quit. What I mean by that is, I have been at NYU for 23 years, but I quit every three to five years. What do I mean by that? I go get an offer from a Columbia or Wharton or somewhere else, and then I walk up to the dean's office and I say, "This is the offer I have, and I'm totally transparent, I don't want to leave, I want to stay, but I need you to match the offer 'cause this is market." And they hum and they haw and they make a bunch of excuses, and then they match it. So, the way... No one's gonna manage your career for you. What you need to do is constantly quit. As a matter of fact, the surveys show the people who make the most money are job switchers. Not every year, but every three to five years. But here's what you, here's what you do if you don't want to leave your job, you quit without quitting. You do a market check, you don't be an asshole, you go into your boss and you say, "I got approached, this is what they're offering me, I'd like to stay." Be transparent, the truth has a nice ring to it, and get a higher salary, but unemployment? No, unemployment isn't, isn't bad right now.

Kara Swisher 10:51 Also, you have to know what your leverage and value is. You should always kn- even the negative parts of it, you should...

Scott Galloway 10:55 And the way you do that is with a market check.

Kara Swisher 10:57 Yeah, you do, 100%.

Scott Galloway 10:58 And you might find out that you're being overpaid.

Kara Swisher 11:00 That's correct.

Scott Galloway 11:00 And you should shut the fuck up.

Kara Swisher 11:02 Don't tell anybody. Shut the fuck up.

Scott Galloway 11:02 (laughs)

Kara Swisher 11:03 That's correct. Um, shh, Scott, say nothing. All right.

Scott Galloway 11:06 That's right. (laughs)

Kara Swisher 11:07 Um, n- next up, this one comes from

Kara Swisher 11:09 Steve. Let's listen.

Steve (caller) 11:10 Hello, my name is Steve. I have two questions that I would love to hear your thoughts on. Number one is, uh, um, your thoughts on term limits for Supreme Court justices. And number two is, what are your thoughts about, um, Trump's end of his four-year term when he probably will find a way not to, not to leave. You know, he won't respect the two-term limit for p- US president. So, curious what you think that will look like four years from now. Thank you very much. I

Steve (caller) 11:44 love your show. Bye.

Kara Swisher 11:45 Steve, thank you. That's very sweet. We're... I'm for term limits on Supreme Court justices. I th- there's a number, I think it's 16 years, something like that, that I think works a- or a certain age, I think probably age gating would be what I would do on the top end. Um, I guess 75, I suppose, would be, I think fair. Um, maybe even 72, maybe 70. I don't know, somewhere in there. Um, number two, I think he will try, but I think he's gonna be old. I think he's already... Even though he seems vigorous, he's been nodding off. I don't think he really wants to govern, he just likes to make pronouncements. So in four years, I don't know if he'll be capable. I think that doesn't mean they won't try to prop him up, like Weekend at Bernie's, kind of do... pull a Joe Biden, essentially. Um, and I think he likes to talk about it to bother us quite a bit, and to show he has power over the peop- picking the successor. Um, he may pick o- try to pick one of his kids. I... That's something I could see happening easily. Um, not Eric, obviously, not Tiffany, but Ivanka or, uh...... or, or junior. Um, so I don't know. I think that's what I'll try to do more than anything. Scott?

Scott Galloway 12:50 Uh, 100%. I'm an ageist and so is biology. We age gate the Senate, you have to be 30. We age gate Congress at 25. We age gate most CEOs of LL or, or companies in the UK, they say at 65. In India, you have to be... I, I think you have to retire at, um, 65. In the UK, uh, in the UK, the mandatory retirement age for UK sup- UK Supreme Court judge justices is 75. Your prefrontal cortex, when you're a male, does not catch up to a woman's until the age of 25. And guess what? From the age of 40 on, your prefrontal cortex begins to shrink. And Senator Feinstein did not know where the fuck she was-

Kara Swisher 13:31 Yeah, that's sad.

Scott Galloway 13:31 ... the last year she was in the Senate. And you lose the ability and the judgment and people around you want to give you some dignity, and it ends up really hurting America. We absolutely-

Kara Swisher 13:41 What's the age?

Scott Galloway 13:42 ... need age limits.

Kara Swisher 13:42 Pick the age. Pick your age.

Scott Galloway 13:43 I, you know what? I, I, I like, personally, I would go, I'd go younger than most people. I'd probably go 70. And here's the thing-

Kara Swisher 13:50 Not 65.

Scott Galloway 13:51 ... I'm s-

Kara Swisher 13:52 Not 65, where do you have to retire?

Scott Galloway 13:53 No, people have gotten... People are in much better shape now. And, but, I also, in a weird way, I think it's the right thing to do for people because it- it- it takes that anxiety away. It's like, "All right, it's time for you to go enjoy your life."

Kara Swisher 14:07 Yeah, 70-

Scott Galloway 14:07 And-

Kara Swisher 14:07 ... you're probably in pretty good shape if you take care of yourself.

Scott Galloway 14:10 Yeah. Go, go have a nice-

Kara Swisher 14:11 For 10 years.

Scott Galloway 14:11 Go have a nice life. Go-

Kara Swisher 14:13 10, 15 years.

Scott Galloway 14:13 You don't need to leave this place feet first. And also, the thing I don't like, and this is one of the things I don't like about academia, is that nobody fucking leaves. And so there isn't room for young stars to advance at the rate they should, because we have some dude who was the bomb in GAAP 1 Accounting in 1978 who won't fucking leave. And because he has tenure, we can't fire the guy, and then he not only becomes unproductive, but as a means of trying to maintain some sort of relevance, he becomes obstructionist and general pain-

Kara Swisher 14:43 Yeah.

Scott Galloway 14:43 ... in the ass to faculty members.

Kara Swisher 14:44 There are obses- uh, uh, exceptions. Like, for example, I love Robert Reich right now. I love this whole Robert Reich. He has these videos, he's lively, he's informative, he's 78 years old. Certain people just shine.

Scott Galloway 14:55 Sure, take to YouTube.

Kara Swisher 14:56 That is true. Yeah. Like, yeah.

Scott Galloway 14:56 He, he doesn't need to be a Supreme Court justice.

Kara Swisher 14:58 No, no, no, I'm just saying, it's, it depends on the person, but you just have a basic age. I think 75 is probably pretty fair, but I can, I can make an argument for 70 too.

Scott Galloway 15:06 Bring in, bring in neurologists who say, "Look, this is where..." Th- this is the thing about age decline, is it's not linear. It really drops fast. And what age are, are people most likely to start really seeing a serious cognitive decline and have an age gate? But it is insane that we would have lower age limits, but we don't have upper age limits. By the way, a, a couple of the 14-year-old girls my son had over for a Halloween party would have done a better job and had a better command and grasp of the issues facing, uh, the Senate than Senator Feinstein. Uh, I mean, there are, there are these stories all over the place. So absolutely, for the, for them, for us, for our Constitution, yeah, we need, we need age limits, 100%.

Kara Swisher 15:51 Mm-hmm. What about Tr- Trump and with Trump?

Scott Galloway 15:54 I just can't even go there, Kara. I'm so fucking triggered (laughs) . Like, I'm, I'm so... Between surrendering to Putin and measles, I can't even think about what might happen then. You take this one.

Kara Swisher 16:05 Um, I, like I said, I think he's gonna try to get one of his kids in. I think he's, I think he's also old. I think he... I, literally, you can s- see. You know, he... Again, he's a vigorous declining person, but he's declining.

Scott Galloway 16:15 I don't see any evidence of that.

Kara Swisher 16:17 I do, I do.

Scott Galloway 16:17 I haven't seen any evidence he's declining.

Kara Swisher 16:19 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He just says things off the cuff. I, I think he's declining. I think he's de- I think it'll come fast too. He's kind of like Reagan, you didn't see it and then you saw it, kind of thing. Um, he seems vigorous, certainly, but l- largely because he m- he's... that's the way he's going down. But he's, to me, he's turning into... He'll be an old man in four years, no matter how he slices this, he just will. He just will. All right. Uh, let's listen to, um,

Kara Swisher 16:44 another.

Amy from Newport, Rhode Island (caller) 16:45 Hi Scott and Kara. This is Amy from Newport, Rhode Island. Um, uh, we've been listening to your show and we love it. Um, Scott, I wanted to ask you about, um, how you're always talking about, you know, men should rise up to be the best, you know, men they can and, you know, take responsibility, um, especially coming from America. And we were wondering, why don't you run for president? We need someone like you,

Amy from Newport, Rhode Island (caller) 17:13 and I think you'd be great.

Kara Swisher 17:14 Oh, Amy, please don't encourage him. Scott, take this one.

Scott Galloway 17:19 Well, you know, Kara, I hate to talk about me, but-

Kara Swisher 17:21 (laughs) Oh, God.

Scott Galloway 17:24 (laughs) Um, uh... Oh, God, can you imagine how much ass I would get if I was president?

Kara Swisher 17:29 Oh my God.

Scott Galloway 17:29 Post-president.

Kara Swisher 17:30 God's sake.

Scott Galloway 17:30 I couldn't do it as president, but post-president. Um, look, uh, I, I'll be very transparent. I've been approached twice in the last two years by people who said, uh... Actually, a, a firm and a person who said, "If you put in 10 million, we'll put in 10 million. Uh, not for president, but run for, um, Senate or governor." And, uh, let's be honest, I have all the attributes to do this. I'm a narcissist and I have outdoor plumbing and I'm white, which are the three primary considerations for running for office. And I also, I have money. But here's the bot-

Kara Swisher 18:00 Clever. You're clever and interesting. Go ahead.

Scott Galloway 18:02 I appreciate that. I appreciate you saying that. Here's the bottom line. Uh, I'm not qualified. I don't have the domain expertise. I'm not especially good with people. I think you have to be really good with people.

Kara Swisher 18:11 You're shy.

Scott Galloway 18:11 And also, uh, also, and Kara knows this. W- uh, this isn't an act, but this is a side of me that is not in many ways the real me, and that is I'm an introvert. And when I'm not on a podcast or on television, I don't enjoy people, I don't get energy from them. I want to be a s- around a small group of people and kind of on my own. And that does not make for a good politician. In addition, and I've learned a lot about this from Kara, uh, and Kara has been very generous and, and, and helped me kind of, um, develop the platform and the skills to actually make a change. I think Kara and I can actually have more impact from outside of the tent. And I think right now if we...... are thoughtful and fearless and appreciate our blessings as Americans and decide to, to, to pipe up and be strong and thoughtful, incite experts and be disciplined and ta- and show talent, I think we can effect more change, in many ways, than almost any congressperson and most senators right now.

Kara Swisher 19:09 Agreed.

Scott Galloway 19:10 So-

Kara Swisher 19:10 And we reach more people. We reach more people.

Scott Galloway 19:12 That's right. So-

Kara Swisher 19:12 And we wouldn't be very good. We'd be just too bad.

Scott Galloway 19:15 Yeah.

Kara Swisher 19:15 Like the staff.

Scott Galloway 19:15 So what we're gonna do-

Kara Swisher 19:16 Imagine staff. Like, I hate staff. That's the thing. Like, and you, and you would... You're shy. People don't realize Scott is really shy. Interestingly enough, I had coffee with Andrew Yang the other day, who was, who talked about you, Scott, in very kind ways. Um, and who ran for president, and he- I was asking if he was gonna do it again. He might. Um, and I thought that was interesting that he did it. It certainly helped him get name recognition and everything else and bringing some good points that he had, uh, a lot of people like him and don't like him, but he definitely got his points out, which were interesting. Um, and then I talked to Mark Cuban about it, because a lot of people are asking him. He polls incredibly well, um, for president.

Scott Galloway 19:50 I think Mark should, I think Mark should run.

Kara Swisher 19:52 I agree. I've been trying to get him to run for president. He seems, on the record, off the record, it's the same answer. "I don't want to do it. I can have more impact doing what I'm doing." Actually, Mark, I think you could have more impact running for president. I do. In this, in your case-

Scott Galloway 20:05 I agree. I agree.

Kara Swisher 20:05 ... you could do, you could get those prescription dr- You could do Quartz Plus, or you could be president and do it. So, we want you to run. And he polls really well. He polls, he's sort of the anti-Elon. He's, he's like a, he, he's just a very-

Scott Galloway 20:17 No, he's the good bill- He's the good billionaire.

Kara Swisher 20:19 Billion, he's a good guy.

Scott Galloway 20:19 He's the billionaire we need right now.

Kara Swisher 20:20 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Scott Galloway 20:21 Yeah, but also, also just-

Kara Swisher 20:22 He has the money. It matters.

Scott Galloway 20:23 ... just selfishly, look at our lives.

Kara Swisher 20:25 Mm-hmm.

Scott Galloway 20:27 I, I, I can't, uh, I can't imagine having a nicer life.

Kara Swisher 20:30 No. I know, I know.

Scott Galloway 20:31 I, would you, can you imagine running for office?

Kara Swisher 20:33 No. No.

Scott Galloway 20:33 And all the shit you have to go through?

Kara Swisher 20:35 People talking to you? No. No.

Scott Galloway 20:36 Oh my God.

Kara Swisher 20:37 I'm, I'm shy in a very different way. I don't want to hear from people a lot of the time.

Scott Galloway 20:41 But, but-

Kara Swisher 20:41 Although I love fans.

Scott Galloway 20:42 ... here's, but here's what I'm gonna do.

Kara Swisher 20:44 Mm-hmm.

Scott Galloway 20:44 Is I'm gonna take what is, for me, a decent amount of money, which for almost anyone is a lot of money, and I'm gonna support moderate candidates and causes. And, and I'm moving back to the US in 18 months because I want to be in the fight. I think that this is an existential crisis, especially, I think rich people need to get aggressive. I think it's easy for us to just sort of fold our arms and sit back, because the reality is, we're gonna benefit from the Trump administration, and I think we need to go a little bit more, be a little bit more aggressive.

Kara Swisher 21:10 Right, you have to go beyond it. You have to go, say, "Look, I have enough, and now I'm gonna stop this nonsense."

Scott Galloway 21:15 That's right.

Kara Swisher 21:15 Let me just say, I think you should pick a spicy one. Jasmine Crockett.

Scott Galloway 21:17 Oh, she's very good.

Kara Swisher 21:18 She's so great. She just really communicates in a way that I think is tough and smart and, um, also just s- double sassy. Just something like that. Just, I don't know what's going on with her, but I, I turn my head whenever she, she says something, 'cause I... And she handles it really well and goes just far enough. So, I think you should give her some money. That's my feeling. All right, Scott, one more quick break. When we come back, more listener questions. Scott, we're back with one more question. This

Kara Swisher 21:43 one comes from Brendan. Let's listen.

Brendan from Vienna (caller) 21:44 Hey, Kara and Scott. This is Brendan calling from Vienna with a bi-continental question, mostly for you, Scott. Which is, how on Earth do you manage the jet lag? Um, I'm in Vienna. I grew up on the East Coast, and I go back three times a year, um, and it seems like the longer I live in Europe, the worse I get at adjusting back. And then I flip on a pivot and it seems like this asshole, twice my age, is going from London to the West Coast to the Middle East, now to Colombia, and you always seem fresh. So like, what, what is the secret, Scott? How are you doing it? Um,

Brendan from Vienna (caller) 22:21 love the insight. Thanks.

Scott Galloway 22:22 Actually, Kara, you travel as much as I do.

Kara Swisher 22:25 I travel as much.

Scott Galloway 22:25 Do you have any thoughts?

Kara Swisher 22:26 I don't sleep as much as other people.

Scott Galloway 22:27 Yeah.

Kara Swisher 22:27 I don't know. I don't, I don't-

Scott Galloway 22:29 You really don't.

Kara Swisher 22:29 ... I don't have so much a sleeping thing. Um, I don't have any. I-

Scott Galloway 22:32 How many hours a night do you sleep?

Kara Swisher 22:34 Four hours, five hours. Sometimes I sleep a long time. I might want to sleep after the show.

Scott Galloway 22:38 You really only sleep four or five hours a night?

Kara Swisher 22:40 Mm-hmm. I'm Mar- like Martha Stewart's the same way. She used to tell me. Um, I don't know. I, uh, I don't, I don't have any tricks for jet lag. I just get on the schedule. I don't, I, that's the only thing I do, is wherever I land, like well I'm landing in Australia soon, uh, I'm gonna get on their schedule no matter how tired I am. And so I get on the schedule, and that's what I, that's what I do. I don't... There's a food you eat? I don't, I don't do any of that. I don't... I can't think of anything. You, you would know better than I.

Scott Galloway 23:07 Yeah, I, uh, so first off, it is a real issue. I have been, as I joke, molesting the Earth for 30 years. I travel a lot. And there is no, I've found there's no silver bullet. There's a few tricks. The first is, quite frankly, is just a message of privilege, and that is, I no longer do red eyes. Or I try not to. I will take, when I come back from New York to London, I'll fly in the morning, and I'll do a little bit of work and a little bit of nap, you know, take a nap but... And I also don't fly into places just for the night any longer. Uh, I'll go somewhere and I'll st- I'll stay one or two days to adjust. But my, I have some general go-tos that they say all you're supposed to do. The first is, I try not to drink alcohol, especially on the plane. I try to drink a ton of water and hydrate. As soon as I get to the place where I'm going, uh, I try to work out. Even if it's just doing... I try and do 100 burpees in less than 12 or 14 minutes when I get into my hotel room if the gym's not open, but I try and immediately exercise. I find sweating really helps. And then, if at all possible, even if it's just taking a walk, just going outside and putting my face in the sun for 10 or 12 minutes. And some exercise/sweating, hydration, and getting, um, getting your face getting in the sun if there's sun wherever you are. But it's something I struggle with, and also, and it just helps to have money finally, I used to literally fly to Paris for a night, fly back if I had a meeting at LVMH or wherever. Now I don't do that. I will spend a couple of days, I enjoy myself, I sleep in. Also, I use sleep aids. I either take, if it's a nation that allows CBD or marijuana, I take half, five milligrams edible before I go to sleep to help me sleep. If it's not, I'll sometimes take a half of a Lunesta. But I find you gotta get some sleep even if it means using a sleep aid.

Kara Swisher 24:53 So one of the things, uh, that people are recom- If you want to go for other things, there's certain things people recommend. There's something called Fly Kit that has kind of things like that. A lot of people say you should eat high protein, um, when you get there, low-carb meals. Um, there's all kinds of tricks. There's a lot of great stuff online. Um, other people talk about, um, uh-... fasting, some people said eating light. They think you should wear the, some of the glasses sometime. There's all, there's all kinds of things, um, but there are also just some, some hacks of, of doing them. And I think, um, uh, y-... I, I do overnight things because I want to get home to the family and I know it's gonna, uh, uh, it's gonna affect me. But mostly, two, two things. Uh, I get, I get on the schedule. You just can't, it should help you regulate if you stay awake when the sun is up and you go to sleep if it's down. And you drink a lot of water, that's another thing. That's always the answer to everything, drinking water. Let's

Kara Swisher 25:49 move on. Before we go, some messages we've gotten from Canadians recently. And let me just tell you, we love Canada. We don't want you to be the 51st state. You're a great country, no matter what that-

Scott Galloway 25:58 We should be the 11th province.

Kara Swisher 26:00 ... jackass, just that jackass Elon said. That's re-... We should be the 11th. We should. We would like to join Canada as the United States. But, so let's listen

Kara Swisher 26:07 to our Canadian friends.

Alex from Vancouver, Canada (caller) 26:08 Hi. This is Alex from Vancouver, Canada. Long time listener, first-time caller. Huge fans of, of both of you, and I can't tell you how wonderful it was today to be hiking with my dog in the BC mountains. Um, at the same time, wondering how we came to this shitty place that we seem to be in geopolitically. And then to hear Scott's impassioned treatise (laughs) on the US-Canada hockey game. Uh, and you're right. It was, it was definitely more than a game to us. Um, and then have him enumerate all the ways in which Canada and the US have had such an extraordinary partnership. Um, yeah. It was great. I mean, we know there are, are as many of you on the side of reason and, and sanity, um, and, as there are those who support all the nonsense from your idiot-in-chief, but it's still really great to hear you say all the things, um, we h- we hoped that you were thinking. So thank you. We appreciate you two. Keep doing all the things you're doing. And you're welcome up here anytime.

Kara Swisher 27:07 I am coming to Toronto soon just for the donuts. We love Canadians. One more along the same lines.

Adam from Kitchener-Waterloo, Canada (caller) 27:13 Hi, Kara and Scott. Uh, this isn't a, a question. It's more of a comment. Um, my name is Adam, and I'm from Kitchener-Waterloo, Canada, where the BlackBerry was invented, and where I saw Kara speak a number of years ago. Uh, I'm a huge fan of your podcast. Scott, as a Canadian, I just wanted to let you know, and I'm gonna try not to get too emotional here, um, how much it meant for you to list all the ways that Canada has supported the Americans over the course of our long friendship. Canada needed that hockey win, and it's my sincere wish that Canada and the US, both the men's and women's teams, meet in the gold medal finals on much friendlier terms in Milan, Italy next year, and we play for nothing more than the love of the game. This too shall pass, and for all the Americans listening, please know how much it means to Canadians right now to have your support, so I would encourage you to vocalize that to us to remind us that there, our relationship will get through this challenging period. Thank you for listening to this, and keep up the great work.

Kara Swisher 28:15 Oh, I'm crying, Scott.

Scott Galloway 28:16 That's nice.

Kara Swisher 28:16 The Canadians are so nice. If, if Cana-... Canada did that to America, we'd be like, "We're gonna come up there and cut off your heads." Instead, they're like, "Thank you so much for being nice to us." Like, that's why they need to run our country. That's really nice.

Scott Galloway 28:27 Well, you know what it means when you're only attracted to Canadians?

Kara Swisher 28:30 What?

Scott Galloway 28:31 It means you're asexual.

Kara Swisher 28:33 (laughs)

Scott Galloway 28:33 Uh, you know? Like, I have, I have really-

Kara Swisher 28:36 That was great, Scott.

Scott Galloway 28:37 I-

Kara Swisher 28:37 Many people mentioned that. That was a really great thing.

Scott Galloway 28:39 Well, uh, uh-

Kara Swisher 28:39 That was sucking up to the Canadians.

Scott Galloway 28:42 Canada, Canada first welcomed my mom and dad independently-

Kara Swisher 28:46 Mm-hmm.

Scott Galloway 28:46 ... um, when they immigrated from Glasgow and London. And I had a terrible time when I visited Canada, said no one ever.

Kara Swisher 28:53 Mm-hmm.

Scott Galloway 28:53 Uh, I would suggest-

Kara Swisher 28:53 Mm-hmm.

Scott Galloway 28:53 ... anybody.

Kara Swisher 28:54 Great place.

Scott Galloway 28:55 If you wanna go to a beautiful place with friendly people and great food, Montreal is the most European, European city in North America. Toronto's essentially-

Kara Swisher 29:04 Poutine.

Scott Galloway 29:04 (laughs) Toronto's essentially like a clean, friendly New York. Vancouver is arguably-

Kara Swisher 29:10 Beautiful. Oh, I love Vancouver.

Scott Galloway 29:10 ... one of the most beautiful cities in the world.

Kara Swisher 29:13 Yeah.

Scott Galloway 29:14 Um, and also-

Kara Swisher 29:14 And up... Wh- where, where's Whistler? Where's way up in the mountains up there? What, what's that? Uh, British Columbia is so beautiful. So beautiful.

Scott Galloway 29:22 But yeah. It's just, it's, uh, I, I... Every year, um, I went to Formula 1 in Montreal. I always, I always take the excuse whenever I get invited to speak in Toronto. I just... Absolutely distinct of the alliance. It's just a great place to visit, a great place to vacation. And also, you know, whether it's Michael J. Fox or Alan Thicke or Bryan Adams, (laughs) there's just so many... We've just benefited from so many talented Canadians. But I have, um, uh... Kara and I are really appreciative of that. I, we clearly struck a nerve. I've had several people come up to me on the street and say, and say that they were, that they, that they were very appreciative of those comments. So, uh, and also, just on behalf of almost every sane American, distinct of what you're hearing, the majority of Americans you've done really do feel very positive about Canada and Canadians.

Kara Swisher 30:12 We don't want you as a state. And also, Banff. That's where I went, Banff. Beautiful. Calgary's so pretty, so amazing. It's in Alberta. Scott, what country are you gonna suck up to next? What do you think?

Scott Galloway 30:24 Uh, Brazil, 'cause I'm about to go back.

Kara Swisher 30:26 Brazil. Okay.

Scott Galloway 30:26 Yeah.

Kara Swisher 30:27 Brazil.

Scott Galloway 30:27 Brazil and Canada, that's maybe where-

Kara Swisher 30:29 All right.

Scott Galloway 30:29 ... I'll end up... If, if Bannon finally convinces the Trump administration to come after me, I'm either moving to, I'm either moving to Florianopolis or Montreal. I don't know.

Kara Swisher 30:40 Okay. I don't know, okay.

Scott Galloway 30:41 Yeah.

Kara Swisher 30:41 All right. Okay. Well-

Scott Galloway 30:41 Yeah.

Kara Swisher 30:41 ... I'll have to visit you there when you're an old man.

Scott Galloway 30:43 Brazil or Canada.

Kara Swisher 30:44 Okay. All right. Anyway, we really appreciate all the questions, especially from the Canadians. Thank you so much. Send us more. Go to nyamg.com/pivot to submit a question. Oh, by the way, Scott. I was m-... I was... My first marriage was in Canada 'cause they, they wouldn't marry gays here. I love Canada. It's the best place. I married in Niagara Falls.

Scott Galloway 31:00 You got married in Canada?

Kara Swisher 31:02 I did because you know what-

Scott Galloway 31:03 Oh, wait. You got married in Ni-... My parents got married in Niagara Falls.

Kara Swisher 31:05 L- let me just say what happened was they were so hostile to gay marriage here in this country, and so mean. And we had already had Louie. I had already been pregnant. I had Louie. We go up to Canada to get married, and like, we go to the, like, the f-... the clerk. And we were, we were just ca- poised for anger at us, right? And instead, they're like, "Oh, this is great. We're so happy you're gonna get married." They were so nice, and it was such a big fucking deal to me that they were so decent. And it was like, 30 miles from the fucking United States who was such an asshole to us as a family, right? And it was just, the whole experience was lovely. And then we went to see... went to... on Maid of the Mist, and every single person was amazing. There was a donut store next door to where we had married. The donuts were delicious. I, I... That was a big moment for me 'cause the kindness, I-... it was needed, especially starting a family. Anyway, thank you, Canada.

Scott Galloway 31:56 I think that's a wonderful story. I also have a story about Niagara. I actually crossed the Niagara Falls on a tightrope, and it reminded me of getting a blowjob from a 90-year-old-

Kara Swisher 32:05 (laughs)

Scott Galloway 32:05 ... and that I did not wanna look down, Kara.

Kara Swisher 32:07 Oh my god. (laughs)

Scott Galloway 32:07 You did not wanna look down.

Kara Swisher 32:09 Why did you ruin-

Scott Galloway 32:10 That's good.

Kara Swisher 32:10 ... my beautiful marriage story-

Scott Galloway 32:11 That's good.

Kara Swisher 32:12 ... with a terrible blowjob story?

Scott Galloway 32:14 Yeah.

Kara Swisher 32:14 Once again, once again-

Scott Galloway 32:16 Niagara, the E.D. drug for women.

Kara Swisher 32:18 ... I'm gonna ignore him. Canada, you t-... You were wonderful to me at the time. I don't know why. I just-

Scott Galloway 32:21 Hold on, I got a worse one. Niagara-

Kara Swisher 32:22 No. No.

Scott Galloway 32:22 ... the E.D. drug for women.

Kara Swisher 32:23 No.

Scott Galloway 32:23 It keeps them wet for three days. (laughs)

Kara Swisher 32:25 Oh my god, stop. Stop.

Scott Galloway 32:26 That's bad.

Kara Swisher 32:27 Stop.

Scott Galloway 32:27 That's bad.

Kara Swisher 32:27 Stop. Stop. Stop.

Scott Galloway 32:28 That's bad.

Kara Swisher 32:28 These were great questions-

Scott Galloway 32:29 From the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Kara Swisher 32:32 ... Media Podcast Network. Those were great questions. Send us more. Go to NYMag... I love these listener mail things. Go to nyag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 855-51-PIVOT. Okay, Scott. That's the show. We love our listeners. We love our fans. Please continue to come up to Scott and tell him to stop telling joke-... dick jokes, but I think that's never happening.

Scott Galloway 32:50 Eh?

Kara Swisher 32:50 Eh? (laughs) Uh, w- we'll be back on Friday with more. Thank you so much for watching Pivot. (upbeat music)