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Was Tesla Trying to Replace Elon Musk as CEO? | Pivot

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss a Wall Street Journal report claiming Tesla’s board was searching for a successor to Elon Musk — a claim the company calls “absolutely false.” They also weigh in on Trump’s combative ABC interview, and his Grinch-like warning about fewer toys this holiday season. Plus, strong earnings from Meta and Microsoft, and Jeff Bezos bends the knee to Trump (But is anyone really surprised?). Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 6:46 Musk’s Successor at Tesla? 16:27 President Trump’s ABC Interview 23:19 Apple Violated Orders in Antitrust Case 26:58 Microsoft and Meta Earnings 35:32 Trump The Grinch 43:40 Trump vs. Amazon 49:09 Predictions #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #elonmusk #tesla #donaldtrump #abc #terrymoran #apple #antitrust #epicgames #microsoft #meta #grinch #amazon #jeffbezos #kuiper Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot *Producer’s Note: Due to a fact check oversight, Scott states that Epic Games owns Minecraft. Epic, in fact, owns Fortnite. We regret the error.

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Tesla Board Turmoil, Tech Earnings Boom, And Trump’s Economic Chaos

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect reports that Tesla’s board quietly explored replacing Elon Musk or forcing him to recommit to Tesla amid falling sales, political distractions, and a barren product pipeline—despite official denials. They broaden this into a critique of Musk’s governance, board complicity, and how leaks signal severe internal concern. The conversation then shifts to Trump’s chaotic early-term tariffs, his combative media appearances, and attempts to blame Biden for a contracting economy, while minimizing the impact of toy and consumer shortages. Finally, they analyze blockbuster earnings from Microsoft and Meta, a major antitrust setback for Apple’s App Store, Bezos’s capitulation to Trump over Amazon’s tariff transparency plan, and emerging satellite-internet competition for SpaceX’s Starlink.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Tesla’s board appears deeply worried about the company’s future pipeline and Musk’s distraction.

If the Wall Street Journal reporting is accurate, a board that has historically tolerated unprecedented CEO misconduct is now exploring leadership changes or forcing Musk to recommit, which Scott reads as a sign that internal projections look dire and there’s ‘absolutely nothing’ near-term in the product pipeline to reverse declining sales.

Board behavior is driven far more by stock price than by governance principles.

Scott explains that boards will overlook almost any CEO behavior when the stock is rising, then overcorrect and scapegoat leaders when shares fall—exposing the myth that boards truly prioritize stakeholders over shareholders or consistently enforce standards.

Meta and Microsoft are turning AI into tangible revenue and profit advantages.

Meta’s ad prices and engagement are up thanks to AI-driven recommendations and targeting, while Microsoft’s Azure growth and diversified business make it relatively insulated from tariffs and recessions; both companies are pairing enormous data assets with massive chip investments to dominate the next AI wave.

Apple’s attempt to preserve App Store fees backfired, strengthening antitrust scrutiny.

By effectively re-creating its 30% cut through a 27% commission on external payments, Apple provoked a judge into barring it from taking commissions on out-of-store sales, undercutting a key services revenue stream and underscoring the risks of ‘petulant’ noncompliance after a largely favorable prior ruling.

Trump’s tariff shock is likely to hammer main street far more than mega-cap tech.

Scott notes that shipping volumes from China have plunged, ports are quiet, and small and mid-sized businesses face paralysis over whether to reroute supply chains, while globally diversified digital giants like Meta, Microsoft, and Alphabet are comparatively shielded from tariff pain.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

They have put up with more aberrant, unacceptable behavior from a CEO than any board in history.

Scott Galloway (on Tesla’s board and Elon Musk)

For them to cross the line means there’s abso-fucking-lutely nothing in the product pipeline that is gonna stop this company from crashing.

Scott Galloway (on what a Tesla CEO search would signal)

It’s like they were competing for crazy. And once again, he wins.

Kara Swisher (on Trump’s cabinet meeting and loyalty displays)

From a guy that golfs every third day and bangs porn stars, he’s talking to us about consumption?

Scott Galloway (on Trump lecturing Americans about buying ‘too many’ toys)

Greatness is in the agency of others. The key to success is the ability to attract and retain people more talented than yourself.

Scott Galloway (on leadership and long-tenured teams around figures like Maher and Musk)

Rumored Tesla board search for a successor to Elon Musk and governance implicationsTrump’s cabinet theater, RFK Jr. extremism, and Terry Moran’s interview tacticsApple–Epic antitrust ruling and the economics of App Store ‘toll booths’Microsoft and Meta earnings: AI, advertising, and cloud dominanceTrump’s tariff regime, GDP contraction, and consumer impact (e.g., toy shortages)Jeff Bezos, Amazon, and political pressure over showing tariff costs to consumersSatellite internet competition: SpaceX Starlink versus Amazon’s Project Kuiper

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