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#1 Reason You’re Still Storing Fat & Exhausted (No Matter How Healthy You Eat) | Alan Couzens

This episode is brought to you by: AG1: Get a FREE AG1 Green Steel Tumbler, 5 Travel Packs and Welcome Kit worth £80. Sign up for a subscription here: https://bit.ly/43FwxQl Peloton: Let yourself ride, lift, stretch, move and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Bike+ at https://onepeloton.co.uk When it comes to improving our health and fitness, most of us have absorbed the same message: work harder, push more, sweat more – basically, that no pain means no gain. But what if that story is not only wrong, what if it is actually holding you back? This week, I sit down with elite endurance coach Alan Couzens to completely reframe how we think about movement, fitness, and fat loss. Alan is both an exercise physiologist and a performance coach. He has spent the past three decades working with a wide range of endurance athletes at all ends of the performance spectrum, from ‘off the couch’ fitness athletes to the very best athletes in all of endurance sport. He shares his incredible wisdom & insights on X and his Substack, ‘The Science of Maximal Athletic Development’ which I would highly recommend if you want to go deeper into the topics we discuss in this week’s episode. Over the past few years, Alan has helped me to understand the critical importance of low intensity movement for health, performance and longevity, and in our conversation, we discuss: • Why the ability to burn fat at low intensities is one of the most important markers of true metabolic health • Why so many people feel they need to eat every two to three hours • How very easy movement can transform your health, your energy, your mood, and even your performance, often more than the hard workouts you think you “should” be doing • The need to balance out the stresses of modern life with activities like walking and yoga • The importance of building a big aerobic “engine” • How best to think about intensity, strength training, VO₂ max, and muscle mass • Why it is never too late to start increasing how much you move and experiencing the incredible benefits Alan is someone who I have a huge amount of respect for. Not only is he extremely knowledgeable and up to date with the latest science, he is also someone who has a huge amount of real-world experience helping people to improve their athletic performance and their health. My hope is that this episode serves as a powerful reminder that the human body simply does not work as well as it could, without adequate amounts of movement and that it inspires you to bring more easy movement into your life, in a way that supports your health for many decades to come. #feelbetterlivemore Connect with Alan: Website https://www.alancouzens.com/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/alan_couzens/ Twitter https://twitter.com/Alan_Couzens Alan’s Substack: The Science of Maximal Athletic Development https://alancouzens.substack.com/ #feelbetterlivemore #feelbetterlivemorepodcast ------- Order MAKE CHANGE THAT LASTS. US & Canada version https://amzn.to/3RyO3SL, UK version https://amzn.to/3Kt5rUK ----- Follow Dr Chatterjee at: Website: https://drchatterjee.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drchatterjee Twitter: https://twitter.com/drchatterjeeuk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drchatterjee/ Newsletter: https://drchatterjee.com/subscription DISCLAIMER: The content in the podcast and on this webpage is not intended to constitute or be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on the podcast or on my website.

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Jan 28, 20261h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 3:27

    Why fat-burning ability matters for health and endurance performance

    Alan Couzens frames many modern health problems as metabolic issues driven by low daily movement. He explains why being able to fuel low-intensity life (and training) with fat reduces metabolic stress and preserves glycogen for harder efforts.

    • Modern lifestyles reduce daily energy expenditure and destabilize metabolism
    • Movement after eating helps regulate blood glucose; sitting does not
    • Training the body to burn fat at rest/low intensity reduces glucose ‘swings’
    • Athletes benefit by saving glycogen for training and racing
    • Fat oxidation is foundational for both health and performance
  2. 3:27 – 6:30

    Carb-dependent metabolism: cravings, energy swings, and weight struggles

    Couzens describes testing sedentary and recreational people who burn carbohydrates even at rest. This creates cravings and frequent snacking needs, which he argues are often metabolic dysfunction rather than willpower failures.

    • Many people default to carbohydrate burning at very low intensities
    • Burning carbs drives carb cravings and vending-machine behavior
    • Weight control difficulty is often metabolic, not psychological weakness
    • Fixing metabolism makes nutrition adherence dramatically easier
    • Low-intensity movement and appropriate nutrition can restore flexibility
  3. 6:30 – 11:09

    Reframing training zones as “movement zones” (including Zone 0)

    Couzens challenges the common idea that activity only “counts” above a certain intensity. He introduces Zone 0 as simply being up and moving, emphasizing its outsized metabolic benefits before traditional cardiovascular training even begins.

    • Traditional endurance zones often ignore walking/yoga as ‘not training’
    • Zone 0: baseline movement with major metabolic benefits
    • Zone 1: cardiovascular adaptations (stroke volume, max fat oxidation)
    • Higher zones become sport-specific but depend on a strong base
    • All daily movement contributes to metabolic health
  4. 11:09 – 16:28

    Debunking ‘no pain, no gain’ with real-world results from more easy movement

    Dr. Chatterjee highlights two myths: that exercise must hurt to matter and that you must train at race intensity to improve. Couzens explains that large volumes of low-intensity movement (even walking) can improve performance significantly.

    • Myth 1: only hard exercise counts
    • Myth 2: race performance requires mostly race-intensity training
    • Case studies: athletes improve while increasing Zone 0/1 volume
    • Walking added to the day can boost performance without extra hard sessions
    • Tracking low-intensity movement helps athletes see its training value
  5. 16:28 – 21:02

    Why walking improves running: stroke volume, heart size, and aerobic base

    Couzens explains that elite endurance performance is strongly linked to a larger, more efficient heart. Even low intensities can reach near-maximal filling (stroke volume), creating repeated ‘stretch’ stimuli that remodel the heart over time.

    • Key separator: oxygen delivery per beat—elite athletes roughly double untrained
    • Resting heart rate reflects heart size/efficiency (30s vs 60–70s)
    • Low intensity can produce maximal filling at relatively modest efforts
    • Repeated maximal filling drives cardiac remodeling (bigger heart)
    • Over time, resting HR drops and aerobic capacity improves
  6. 21:02 – 24:53

    The hidden risk of too much mid-to-high intensity: ‘small engine revving hard’

    Couzens warns that heavy reliance on Zone 3–4 work can widen the gap between muscle capacity and heart capacity. Sustained high heart rates may reduce cardiac perfusion time and create a health-compromising imbalance.

    • Chronic hard aerobic training can create a heart–muscle mismatch
    • Example: prolonged sessions at ~180 bpm for long durations
    • High rates reduce relaxation time needed for heart blood flow
    • Health risk comes from revving a relatively small ‘engine’ too long
    • Balance peripheral muscle development with central cardiac development
  7. 24:53 – 29:24

    Exercise intensity and the nervous system: parasympathetic vs sympathetic training

    Using Stephen Seiler’s research, Couzens describes a near-binary difference in nervous system effects: easy work promotes ‘rest-and-digest’ while harder sessions trigger fight-or-flight. The real question becomes total stress load across life, not just workouts.

    • Low intensity tends to activate parasympathetic recovery state
    • Higher intensity strongly activates sympathetic fight-or-flight
    • ‘Too much exercise’ often means too much high-stress intensity
    • Life stress compounds training stress (stress is stress)
    • Choose training that balances your current life load
  8. 29:24 – 32:14

    Autoregulation with HRV: when to push and when to back off

    Couzens supports adjusting intensity based on recovery signals like heart rate variability. When HRV is low (high stress/poor recovery), hard training yields less adaptation and may be counterproductive, so easy work is prioritized.

    • HRV reflects readiness and nervous system state
    • Low HRV predicts poorer response to hard training
    • Back off Zone 2+ when life stress is high
    • Save intensity for periods of stronger recovery capacity
    • Training should support life, not overload it
  9. 32:14 – 35:08

    Defining metabolic health: stable daily energy fueled mostly by fat

    Couzens defines metabolic health as the ability to power daily life primarily with fat, avoiding frequent glucose spikes and crashes. He links metabolic instability to stress physiology that mobilizes sugar regardless of whether the ‘threat’ is modern or ancestral.

    • Metabolic health = fat-fueled low-intensity living with stable glucose
    • Dysfunction shows up as glucose variability and frequent cravings
    • Stress hormones raise glucose: ‘boss vs lion’ doesn’t matter to the body
    • Stress management is inseparable from metabolic health
    • Goal: reduce excursions and stabilize daily energy
  10. 35:08 – 42:55

    Fat loss as ‘muscle training’: the 3-part fix (stress, easy movement, nutrition)

    Couzens reframes fat loss: to burn body fat, muscles must be trained to oxidize fat. His practical approach starts with stress reduction, then low-intensity movement, and only then nutrition—making cravings and adherence easier.

    • Cravings often reflect ‘muscle weakness’ in fat oxidation, not willpower
    • Step 1: stress anchors (yoga, breathing resets) to lower metabolic stress
    • Step 2: make all exercise easy (Zone 0/1), avoid spiking blood sugar
    • Step 3: real-food, protein-forward, relatively lower-carb eating becomes easier
    • Easier adherence follows improved metabolic flexibility
  11. 42:55 – 48:36

    Using CGMs (and lactate) to reveal stress and intensity effects on glucose

    Dr. Chatterjee shares how walks flatten glucose while harder efforts can raise it, and Couzens agrees CGMs often reflect stress and activity more than food. They discuss how high glucose suppresses fat burning, making stress control central to body composition goals.

    • CGMs show gentle movement stabilizes glucose; hard efforts can raise it
    • Sleep loss and psychological stress can elevate glucose despite same meals
    • High glucose state suppresses fat oxidation
    • Ancestors had spikes during acute danger but long calm periods otherwise
    • CGMs can teach state-awareness: fight-or-flight vs steady parasympathetic
  12. 48:36 – 1:03:47

    How easy is ‘easy’? Lactate testing, beginner intensity, and cultural barriers

    Couzens explains lactate as a marker of sugar burning and insufficient aerobic processing capacity. He describes how deconditioned people can produce ‘world-class hard-session’ lactate levels during a walk, so they must go extremely easy to make metabolic progress.

    • Lactate rises with glycolysis; high lactate = high sugar burning
    • Stress alone can elevate lactate (argument → higher lactate)
    • Deconditioned walkers may show ~2 mmol—hard-session territory for elites
    • Prescription: ‘amble’ pace, frequent rests if needed, repeat consistently
    • Biggest barrier is mental/cultural: people feel easy work ‘doesn’t count’
  13. 1:03:47 – 1:12:24

    Building a complete longevity plan: walking + yoga baseline, then aerobic strength and selective intensity

    Couzens lays out a layered approach: prioritize low-stress movement first, then add strength to protect muscle with age, and later add small doses of higher intensity for specificity. He argues strength should mirror endurance distribution: mostly easier circuit work with a little heavy work to retain fast-twitch recruitment.

    • If limited time: non-negotiables are walking in nature + yoga
    • Extra time: add basic resistance work to preserve muscle mass with aging
    • Prefer circuits/whole-body movements (goblet squats, single-leg hinges)
    • Don’t chase maximal hypertrophy; aim to maintain ‘normal healthy’ muscle
    • Intensity has a role later: train fibers needed for specific goals
  14. 1:12:24 – 1:52:55

    VO₂ max, ‘aerobic muscle,’ aging decline, and the long-game mindset

    Couzens defines VO₂ max as whole-body oxygen uptake and a strong predictor of longevity. He cautions that adding non-oxidative muscle can reduce VO₂ max, notes performance declines accelerate around ~50, and emphasizes increasing lifelong movement volume—plus consistency, injury management, and carb intake matched to activity.

    • VO₂ max = oxygen uptake rate; strongly tied to survival/longevity
    • ‘Aerobic muscle’ should raise VO₂ max; hypertrophy-only work may lower it
    • Masters performance drops more sharply approaching ~50 despite continued training
    • To preserve youthful VO₂ max as you age, you often must train more, not less
    • Consistency beats boom-bust plans; manage niggles early to avoid lost months
    • Carbs should generally match activity; fasted easy walks can aid fat burning
    • It’s not too late: many top older age-group athletes start in their 40s/50s

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