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The ‘Normal’ Body Signals That Come From Unprocessed Trauma

This episode is brought to you by: AG1: Get a FREE AG1 Flavor Sampler, AGZ Sampler, plus FREE Vitamin D3+K2 and AG1 Welcome Kit. Sign up for a subscription here: https://bit.ly/43FwxQl Peloton: Let yourself ride, lift, stretch, move and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Bike+ at https://onepeloton.co.uk When it comes to feeling better, many of us instinctively start with our minds. We think about our thoughts, our beliefs, our stress levels. But what if a huge part of our emotional and psychological experience is actually being held in our bodies – quite literally – in a remarkable tissue called fascia? This week, I’m joined by Jason van Blerk, one of the co-founders of Human Garage - a global self-care movement that aims to inspire 1 billion people to heal themselves, through simple, accessible movement practices, that they call Fascial Manoeuvres. In our conversation, we explore what fascia actually is, why modern science is only just beginning to catch up with what many practitioners have observed for decades, and how emotions and past experiences may be stored in our physical structure. Jason also shares how different areas of the body seem to relate to different emotional patterns, why posture and mood are so tightly linked, and how changing one can often influence the other. We also talk about stress, and why so many of us feel tense, disconnected, and stuck in our own lives and Jason explains how simple rotational movements, combined with specific breathing patterns, can help “unwind” the body, reduce stress, and leave you feeling lighter, calmer, and grounded. The thing I love the most about Human Garage’s philosophy is that they want to empower people to heal themselves. This is not about needing lifelong treatment, or becoming dependent on a therapist or health care practitioner - it’s about learning a set of practical moves that you can use anywhere, anytime and with no equipment, to start healing your body and calming your mind. #feelbetterlivemore Connect with Jason: https://www.instagram.com/jasonvanblerk/reels/ https://www.youtube.com/@jasonvanblerkTV Connect with Human Garage: https://humangarage.net/ https://www.instagram.com/humangarage/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd3dxTJ4ZaqaJkWEsmixRAw Online programs https://humangarage.net/programs #feelbetterlivemore #feelbetterlivemorepodcast ------- Order MAKE CHANGE THAT LASTS. US & Canada version https://amzn.to/3RyO3SL, UK version https://amzn.to/3Kt5rUK ----- Follow Dr Chatterjee at: Website: https://drchatterjee.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drchatterjee Twitter: https://twitter.com/drchatterjeeuk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drchatterjee/ Newsletter: https://drchatterjee.com/subscription DISCLAIMER: The content in the podcast and on this webpage is not intended to constitute or be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on the podcast or on my website.

Dr. Rangan ChatterjeehostJason van Blerkguest
Feb 4, 20261h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:17

    Can trauma be stored in fascia? Water, memory, and emotional imprinting

    Rangan asks whether emotions and trauma could be stored in fascia. Jason argues that because fascia is largely water—and water appears to ‘hold memory’—the body may encode experiences in the fascial system.

    • Hypothesis: emotions/trauma may be stored in fascia rather than only in the mind
    • Fascia described as primarily water-based, raising the question of where bodily ‘memory’ is kept
    • Reference to water experiments (e.g., freezing water near objects) as a metaphor for imprinting
    • Implication: chronic patterns may reflect stored experiences
  2. 1:17 – 6:23

    Emotions, posture, and body-map patterns: why releases can cause shaking or tears

    They discuss how bodywork can trigger crying, shaking, and strong emotional discharge. Jason describes consistent patterns: different body regions tend to correlate with particular emotional reactions and postural signatures.

    • Trauma framed as unprocessed emotion that ‘goes somewhere’ in the body
    • Anger, sadness, and suppression show up as predictable postural changes (jaw, groin, curling forward)
    • Jason claims repeated hands-on work reveals repeatable body-region/emotion patterns
    • Posture and emotion influence each other (bidirectional relationship)
  3. 6:23 – 8:36

    What fascia is (beyond ‘Saran wrap’): living tissue, gel-water tubes, and signaling

    Jason contrasts the ‘dead tissue’ view of fascia with the living, dynamic system seen in magnified video. He presents fascia as a gel-like, water-based network that may conduct electricity and transmit information.

    • Traditional fascia: fibrous connective tissue around muscles and bones
    • Living fascia described as dynamic “water tubes” that reconfigure with movement/thought
    • Claim: body water is largely in a gel-like fascial state, not free-flowing liquid
    • Fascia proposed to conduct electricity, respond to sound/frequency, and store memory
  4. 8:36 – 9:36

    Why pain often returns: restrictions, hydration, and the ‘tight shirt’ model

    They explore why adjustments or massage may feel good but not ‘hold.’ Jason suggests fascial restrictions pull the body back into old patterns, influenced by dehydration, inactivity, and hardening/calcification.

    • Fascia as the system that ‘holds everything’—muscles, bones, organs—so restrictions dominate alignment
    • Sedentary behavior and dehydration linked to stiffening/hardening of the fascial system
    • Foam rolling vs addressing deeper restrictions: symptom relief vs pattern change
    • Key idea: lasting change requires changing the restriction pattern, not only moving a joint
  5. 9:36 – 11:39

    A different approach: rotational movement + breath vs linear stretching and forced release

    Jason argues the body is fundamentally rotational, so linear stretching and aggressive pressure can be less effective. Human Garage focuses on counter-rotation with breathing to encourage release and reorganization.

    • Rotation and counter-rotation are presented as core to natural movement (walking, swinging)
    • Breath paired with rotation is framed as the mechanism for fascial ‘unwinding’
    • Critique of straight-line training patterns (e.g., fixed-bar bench press) as limiting rotation
    • Goal: restore fluidity and natural movement efficiency
  6. 11:39 – 14:09

    Modern surfaces vs nature: how flat floors, shoes, and straight lines may reduce rotation

    They connect movement quality to the built environment. Jason suggests flat surfaces and shoes reduce natural foot adaptation and rotation, which cascades into global tension patterns.

    • Walking in nature (uneven ground) encourages foot and joint rotation
    • Flat surfaces and rigid footwear may diminish rotational mechanics
    • Rangan adds the ‘fractals in nature’ idea as a physiological stress-reducer
    • Theme: modern linearity vs biological design for variability
  7. 14:09 – 18:21

    Frequency, vibration, and why music can ‘time travel’ you back to old memories

    They discuss cymatics and the idea that water and minerals change structure with vibration. Jason links this to why certain songs can instantly bring back emotions and embodied memories.

    • Body simplified as ‘water + minerals (“sand”) + microbes’ to explain responsiveness
    • Cymatics examples: sound creates geometry in water and sand
    • Hypothesis: familiar music recreates old bodily vibration patterns tied to past events
    • Practical implication: humming/singing/dancing as ‘buttons’ that shift state
  8. 18:21 – 29:29

    Results-first vs explanations-later: observation, skepticism, and the role of belief

    Rangan emphasizes that many effective practices were observed before being scientifically explained. Jason describes Human Garage’s iterative experimentation and how belief (placebo/nocebo) can speed or block change.

    • Human Garage origin story: experimentation, then sharing to test repeatability
    • Comparison to epigenetics, breathwork/cold exposure, and meditation acceptance over time
    • Collective belief in group settings appeared to amplify speed of release
    • Jason shifts focus: work with people ‘ready to transform’ rather than convincing skeptics
  9. 29:29 – 37:41

    The body as a pressurized system: zones, mapping patterns, headaches, and compensation

    Jason reframes the body as an inside/outside pressure system that must equalize. He explains ‘zone’ mapping (head/torso/legs) and how pressure imbalances drive compensations across limbs and posture.

    • Bones ‘float’ within a fascial-pressure container; restrictions shift everything
    • Zone model (1 head, 2 torso, 3 legs) and cross-body pressure balancing
    • Hands/feet and limb segments presented as mapping each other during gait
    • Headaches framed as pressure dysregulation with movement-based ways to redistribute
  10. 37:41 – 39:38

    Digestion–brain connection and pelvic/diaphragm flow: why sitting may disrupt regulation

    They connect internal pressure and mobility to digestion, mood, and cognition. Jason highlights reduced flow between diaphragm and pelvic floor—exacerbated by chair-sitting—as a driver of widespread modern symptoms.

    • Internal fullness/constipation can alter gait and restrict arm swing via pressure
    • Claims: pelvic/diaphragm restriction linked to cramps, infertility, autoimmune and digestion issues
    • Observation: concussion can precede digestive issues; digestive issues can affect cognition/mood
    • Core idea: restore ‘flow’ through movement and reducing chronic compression
  11. 39:38 – 44:01

    Elite athletes vs everyday bodies: optimized asymmetries, performance goals, and stress vision

    Jason explains that elite athletes develop highly specialized tension patterns for sport-specific performance. The aim isn’t to erase those patterns indiscriminately, but to manage stress, perception, and access to ‘the zone.’

    • Athletes’ bodies feel different due to repeated one-sided patterning
    • Repatterning can temporarily disrupt technique until integrated
    • Performance focus: enter the zone faster, regulate emotions, improve perception/options
    • Stress narrows choices; reducing stress expands awareness and decision-making
  12. 44:01 – 49:26

    Scars, skin, and ‘fascial coffee’: simple self-touch techniques to create space and flow

    They discuss scars as localized ‘crumples’ that pull on the system and how skin can be an access point to fascia. Jason also introduces ‘fascial coffee,’ a directional rubbing routine intended to activate mapped pathways.

    • Scar tissue likened to a tightened, crumpled area that creates global tension patterns
    • Technique: manually stretch scar tissue in multiple directions to restore space
    • Skin-stretching framed as fascial work (and argued not to ‘cause wrinkles’)
    • ‘Fascial coffee’ demonstrates directional friction that feels smoother one way than the other
  13. 49:26 – 1:34:08

    Fascial Maneuvers in practice: self-hug patterns, stress relief, feeling ‘lighter,’ and next steps

    They describe signature maneuvers (e.g., Totally Twisted, Anti-Gravity, Swinger) and why crossing/hugging positions may feel primal and regulating. The conversation closes with Jason’s personal trauma background, Human Garage’s origin and funding model, and practical guidance to start reconnecting with the body.

    • Maneuvers are designed to be simple, equipment-free, and usable anywhere
    • Common effects: calmer state, sensory vividness, groundedness, and feeling ‘lighter’ (emotions as ‘heavy’)
    • Jason’s upbringing in high danger and fear, later injuries, and how emotion regulation tools might have changed outcomes
    • Human Garage mission: inspire a billion people to heal themselves; pay-what-feels-right accessibility; app + coach training
    • Quick starter exercise: hands on heart, eyes closed, feel heartbeat to re-enter the body

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