Silicon Valley GirlAnthropic CPO: How AI Will Build the Next $100M Companies | Mike Krieger
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Teaser
- MMMarina Mogilko
In the AI age, anyone can become a $100 million entrepreneur, build a company solo. Do you think it is possible now?
- MKMike Krieger
I think it's very [beep] .
- MMMarina Mogilko
This is Mike Krieger. A lot of you guys know him as co-founder of Instagram. He's also Chief Product Officer at Anthropic, building Claude and shaping how we work and solve problems using AI.
- MKMike Krieger
The next step there is Claude actually being an entire sort of co-worker. It's going to do everything perfectly well. When you're a first-time entrepreneur without a big network, you're doing all those things yourself, so why not try to bring the best of what we know into that company, uh, via something like Claude?
- MMMarina Mogilko
And it's not just hype. Claude is already helping millions of people with product building, being their lawyer, and even being their therapist. People who just graduated from college are struggling to find jobs because a lot of entry-level jobs are being replaced with AI. Do you ever wake up at night and think, like, "Oh, my God, where the world is going with AI?"
- MKMike Krieger
This could be really positive for humanity. It also could go quite badly, and there's-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Right
- MKMike Krieger
... gonna be economic impacts, there's gonna be labor impacts.
- MMMarina Mogilko
So should we be hopeful or afraid?
- 1:01 – 2:21
Can you really build a $100M company today solo?
- MMMarina Mogilko
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Silicon Valley Girl. I have an amazing person here today. Mike, thank you so much for being here.
- MKMike Krieger
It's good to be here.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Uh, you have this amazing story of building a huge company, but also you're at the forefront of what's happening with AI right now. And there has been this conversation that in the AI age, anyone can become a $100 million entrepreneur, like build a company solo. Do you think it is possible now, or we're still away from that?
- MKMike Krieger
I think it's very possible, just even watching the journey I went on with Instagram, where we did a lot of the initial work with just me and Kevin, and we were able to do a lot with just the two of us. And there's a focus and an energy when you get- when you just have one or two people working on something. I think the ideal is actually two, because it's helpful having a partner when going through the ups and downs. But what I've learned is, as you grow... Every person you grow the team is another person that can bring their own ideas and bring their energy, which is great, but it's also another person that you need to get on board if you need to shift where the company is going. And so what I think is very exciting now is that one, two, three-person team can scale themselves up, do a lot more than they would've been able to do before, maybe do it faster, um, and preserve that kind of... I call it conceptual integrity. Like, you have, like, all of what matters about that company in your head or in two heads basically working together, versus trying to steer a huge ship.
- 2:21 – 3:46
Do you need to be technical to scale a business in 2025?
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you think being technical is crucial to building a large company these days, or it is unnecessary with all the existing tools?
- MKMike Krieger
I think, you know, with, with increasing things like Claude Code, um, with, like, products online, I think you're getting to the point where you're able to at least get to, um, a version of your idea where you can see if there's something there. You know, 'cause that's, like, the biggest thing that I've get- Like, in the age of kind of mobile apps first emerging, I would hear from people all the time, and they'd be like: "Mike, I have a great idea for a mobile app. Like, do you know any mobile engineers, or how do I get it built?" And that was often where the idea would die. And some of those ideas maybe wouldn't have worked out, but some of them might actually have created something really novel, right? There would be people that said, "Oh, I have a novel idea for a social app, or a dating app, or a game," and so many of those ideas just kind of, like, you know, kind of died at that stage. And so what I think is exciting is even if the, the tools aren't there, where they're not necessarily gonna get you from your first 10 users to your first million users in terms of the system scaling up, they'll at least get you in front of those first 10 people, right? Like, get you to the prototype or even that initial version, and that seems very possible, even people who aren't, um, technical. We see that inside Anthropic, where some of our non-engineers, you know, people in marketing, people in communications, who just have had an idea in the back of their heads for a while, will sit and talk to Claude and work with Claude Code on the weekends, and then share it internally, like, "Look what I built," and I-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... don't code at all.
- MMMarina Mogilko
That's super cool. So what would be your,
- 3:46 – 4:53
The painful story of Mike shutting down a company after Instagram’s success
- MMMarina Mogilko
uh, roadmap? So come up with an idea, build an MVP, share it with, like, 10, 20 people. Uh, you had experience where you had to shut down the company, right? Can you tell what the product was?
- MKMike Krieger
It was, uh, our second company. I started a second company with the same, um, uh, co-founder as Instagram, and it was called Artifact. And the product itself, I'm super proud of it. It was a AI-powered news, uh, recommendation product. So we would learn your interests, and then we'd give you a feed of, you know, different articles and, and stories that you might be interested in, um, and at, at, like, a really nuanced level. Like, you- people might be interested in, um, not just graphic design but, you know, uh, Bauhaus graphic design or Japanese architecture, and, like, really understanding the kinds of things that people were, like, more deeply interested in. But the product didn't hit enough of, like, a product-market, um, you know, fit and an acceleration that made it s- made sense to continue to invest in it. So that process of having created something and iterated on it, and built a team around it, but then also coming to the realization that the right thing was to move on from it, was really challenging.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And the pressure was on, right? It was right after Instagram.
- MKMike Krieger
It was, and you know, and then that... You know, in some ways, that was really a hindrance.
- MMMarina Mogilko
When do you make this decision
- 4:53 – 6:27
How to know when to push forward or when to stop?
- MMMarina Mogilko
about an idea that you show to maybe, like, 20 people?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
When do you say, like, "Hey, this is it," or, "Do I keep pushing?"
- MKMike Krieger
I think for me, it's very much when you're, um, in that phase, are you... As you're making changes and as you're showing it to people, and they're giving you feedback, and then maybe, maybe you even have some people using it, does it feel like the more you change or the... you know, as you listen to feedback and make some alterations, is, is there, like, a snowball effect where energy is increasing? We definitely saw that in early Instagram, and we had initially a group of maybe 20, 30 people using it in just a private beta. And, you know, it was very much a weekend product, right? 'Cause you're out and about, and especially in the early days, that's all you were doing, was just taking photos with Instagram. It wasn't that, you know, you were uploading photos from somewhere else or your camera roll. And so we would find that we would work all week, and then on Friday, we'd ship a new version to those, like, 20, 30, 40 testers, and then we'd see what would happen over the weekend. And every weekend, those changes that we were making, we'd hear from people, "Oh, I tried the new filter," or, "I tried this thing. It's going, it's going well." Um, so that's what I look for a lot. And I think where it's time to maybe either pivot the company or move on to something else is when you feel like-... man, I've tried every idea that I have, or I've added 30 things, and none of them are really sticking, or people are kind of okay about it, but they're not excited about it. And that's maybe where you might wanna step back and say, "There's probably energy better spent somewhere else." Like, the way I- it's not scientific, but when you feel like one unit of input, you're getting 10 units of output-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... that's a good feeling. When it feels like 10 units of input, you're getting one of output, it's time to pivot to something else.
- 6:27 – 8:21
100 free prompts to supercharge your marketing
- MMMarina Mogilko
Exactly. What fascinates me most in these conversations about AI is that how our consumption behavior changes. I wonder what it looks like in your life, but in my life, I think, like, 20 to 30% of purchases are made through an LLM. Ask Claude to research something for me, or ask other tools to pick the best product for me. There's actually statistics that 60% of searches end up without a click, attention is scattered, and yes, more and more buyers are doing research in LLMs instead of following a traditional funnel. And businesses have to adjust. You have to be generative engine friendly. We're moving from SEO to GEO, generative engine optimization. If you want your marketing strategy to be ready for what's coming, I suggest checking out HubSpot's new Loop Marketing Prompt Library. It's a pack of 100 field-tested prompts designed to solve 2025's biggest marketing challenges. This will help you build marketing systems that don't just keep up, but actually learn and adapt, instead of running static campaigns that get stale. You'll have a data-driven system where humans and AI work together, and that evolves with your audience over time. It's built around four dynamic stages. In the Express stage, you'll define your voice, lock in your brand style guide, and craft the stories that set you apart. In the Tailor stage, you'll enrich your data to deliver experiences that feel personal. Make your prospects think, "How did they know that?" In the Amplify stage, you'll expand your reach with AI, creator partnerships, and community-driven campaigns. In the Evolve stage, you'll monitor, adapt, and improve in real time. Build a system that learns as it grows. No more cookie-cutter campaigns, no more static reports. My favorite part is how it turns AI into a growth engine that compounds over time, instead of just running the same campaigns on repeat. If you wanna stand out and build marketing systems that don't just keep up, but actually learn and adapt, grab the Loop Marketing Prompt Library for free. The link is in the description, and big thanks to HubSpot for sponsoring
- 8:21 – 10:14
How to use Claude to automate your business
- MMMarina Mogilko
this video. [whooshing sound] Let's talk about people who already have a business. Uh, I've heard you talk about how people are not using AI enough in their businesses. What do you think are top maybe two or three cases how entrepreneurs can use Claude to automate some operations, which doesn't require you to be very technical?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, so I was actually talking to a, a fellow friend who's a second or third-time founder, and, uh, he was telling me, he's like: "Mike, I'm really glad you launched Claude Max, because Claude is my product manager, Claude is my lawyer, um, Claude is my, you know, uh, founder therapist as well." And what he does is he has a Claude project for each of those disciplines. So he has his product manager Claude, he has his, uh, you know, like, contracts Claude, and he just uses that for all of those things. It's let him run a very lean, um, initial company overall and, and do those pieces. And so even though he happens to be fairly technical, but he's not coding with Claude, really, in his day-to-day. He's actually set up Claude to be, um, sort of a mini version of some of these disciplines already, even as the models, you know, continue to get more and more powerful in those ways. Even today, with the right context and the right sort of history around something, you really can start having these sort of per job function thought partners in there. And for an entrepreneur, for sure, you know, have, uh, you know, a model that validates your idea or sees what you might be missing, um, another one doing, you know, competitive intelligence to understand what's even out there and understanding those pieces. Of course, helping you build with code is another, another part of it, too. But even beyond that, the way I like to think of it is, when you grow a company, you wanna go hire... I want the best CFO, I want, you know, the best head of product, et cetera. When you're a entrepreneur, especially like I was, a first-time entrepreneur without a big network, you're doing all those things yourself, so why not try to bring the best of what we know into that company, uh, via something like Claude?
- 10:14 – 12:50
In 2-3 years Claude will be your co-worker and collaborator
- MMMarina Mogilko
What do you think is gonna happen in two or three years? How we're gonna progress and advance?
- MKMike Krieger
I think part of it, and I was having this conversation this morning even with some of our, our researchers, um, the, the progression or the, the dynamic that I see is, um, if last year, maybe the beginning of this year, um, these models, and I'll use Claude as the example, were really kind of, uh, assistants that were helping you with maybe a question at a time, or maybe a task, right? Um, this year they're moving more into collaborators, where, um, especially if you watch somebody use, um, Claude Code, for example, they're actually delegating what would've taken them maybe 20, 30 minutes, and Claude's going off and doing it, and then you're checking in, and you're more on the sort of validating or verifying work, right? Going into next year, you're gonna delegate even bigger chunks of time, or even, like, pieces of the job out to that. So it's not just, "I have this very specific thing. Please go do it," and it could be more sort of think of it, Claude, as something that's in the loop of your business. So, "Hey, Claude, um, watch for any new user feedback and maybe propose a change based on that." And you can imagine evolving that, "Don't just propose a change, write the code to make the change, and I'll check if it's a good idea or not." Um, and then the next step there is Claude actually being an entire sort of co-worker, where it has a discipline. So not just a project that happens to be a good thought m- partner for product management, but an actual product manager in your company.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Like being active, right? Is that what you mean, when it, I don't know, look at your ads and says, like: "Hey, hey, I'm gonna change this"?
- MKMike Krieger
Exactly. Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Just telling you. So when do you think that's gonna happen?
- MKMike Krieger
I think that is within... You know, it depends a little bit on the discipline. With, um, coding sort of tasks, I think within the year we'll start seeing Claude be able to do those things. And I think in some of these other disciplines, maybe it's more like two or three years, but it's not wildly far away. And it's not that it's going to do everything perfectly well. There's still gonna be this validation, human-in-the-loop aspect of it. Um, but-... I think the big shift is gonna be this autonomy and proactivity, where you're not having to give it explicit instructions every time, and instead, um, you can almost describe what kind of role you want it to play, and then it will be able to play that role as long as you've connected it to the right, um, you know, data sources.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And how active you want it to be, right? 'Cause now it's basically just you chatting. I want the model to be talking to me as well, proactively-
- MKMike Krieger
Exactly
- MMMarina Mogilko
... like, "Hey, I just noticed this." That would be cool.
- MKMike Krieger
Exactly.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Half a year ago, Dario Amodei said 90% of code would be written by AI. What percentage of code is written by AI at Anthropic now?
- MKMike Krieger
It depends on the product, but for our products that are sort of the closest to being written, so Claude Code, for example, they're doing almost entirely the, the development of that is using Claude to develop Claude.
- MMMarina Mogilko
How has it changed
- 12:50 – 14:11
How Mike’s work have changed with the AI automation
- MMMarina Mogilko
the way you work?
- MKMike Krieger
Well, it's let me, who... I, I like being technical, but my day-to-day often is in, you know, uh, external commitments or doing management. Um, it's let me remain really technical, which is fun. So, like, because we've oriented the code base to being able to be written by Claude, it means somebody like me can also contribute as well. So we launched our Claude for Chrome just, uh, it was earlier this week, and, uh, I had a little bit of time on a business trip, and I said, "Oh, I have two hours free. What am I gonna do?" I was like, "I'm gonna contribute to this thing that I know we're shipping in a couple of weeks." And so it's broadened the group of people that can contribute, for sure. Um, I think it's also kind of moved where the bottlenecks are, where we need to pay special attention to. So I think we've put more time up front now into, "All right, let's get clarity across our team about what needs to get done," so that, you know, we don't have this, like, amazing technology that can code really quickly, but the engineers are actually not even sure what the thing is that needs to get built. So that still remains very important, right? Being aligned, having that, that consistent vision. And then on the last part, which is that, you know, codes being ready to, you know, get committed and get reviewed, the number of pull requests and changes that are going in our code base has just dramatically accelerated. One of our, um, developer productivity engineers shared this last week. We're just on an exponential there, too, so we've had to re-engineer those systems, too.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Crazy. Well,
- 14:11 – 15:20
Integrating Claude into your Chrome browser
- MMMarina Mogilko
Claude for Chrome, you mentioned, is it gonna fix email? [chuckles] Something that was like yesterday, uh, I just came back from a business trip. My kids went to school, and they were- 'cause they don't really, some of them, like Lily, who doesn't speak English, she doesn't understand what's going on. But she was like, "Tomorrow is pajamas day." And I was asking my AI, like, "Is it really?" And it's like, "No, no, no. All good. Nothing's happening at school." And of course, we come, and it's pajamas day.
- MKMike Krieger
Pajamas day, yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And I was like-
- MKMike Krieger
No
- MMMarina Mogilko
... "Oops!" [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
It was interesting.
- MMMarina Mogilko
You can twist it.
- MKMike Krieger
The demo we had in front of the company was, um, was, like, uh, Claude triaging emails, and it's still, you know, probably too slow right now still to be, like, the main way in which you interact with your emails. But, um, I went through... For example, I had a lot of pending LinkedIn, uh, invites, but I, and I wanted to, you know, ignore the ones that weren't real, but I wanted to make sure that if it was somebody from Anthropic or it sounded like they knew me, that we would, like, make sure that we, uh, captured those. And so I had Claude just kind of triage that whole inbox for, you know, an hour, actually, and it went through it and-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Did you have to code something, or you just asked?
- MKMike Krieger
Just asked it. I was like: "Hey, look at-"
- MMMarina Mogilko
So that's Claude for Chrome, right?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Just ask it to go through... Oh, wow!
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah. Visit LinkedIn, look at my invitations.
- MMMarina Mogilko
So it's basically your assistant in your browser.
- MKMike Krieger
Exactly.
- 15:20 – 16:15
Writing and brainstorming with Claude
- MMMarina Mogilko
Can you share some personal practices for how you use Claude?
- MKMike Krieger
For me, it's any time I've written something, I've found that I still wanna take the first draft myself because I... You know, sometimes writing is thinking, and that's really important that you're actually, at least for me, that I'm kind of expressing myself through writing. But before showing any human basically anything I write that's of substance, I'll basically tell Claude and say: "Hey, I'm writing on this. Like, what am I missing? Please challenge me on what I'm- I haven't said yet." And sometimes it'll give you a suggestion, and it ranges from, "I can't believe I forgot to address that. It would've been really embarrassing to share this document and not have this," and then sometimes it's, "Oh, wow, I wasn't even thinking about this dimension," and something, like, very, uh, new and different. And actually, I use it less for copy editing, but I use it a lot for challenging my ideas and, and figuring out how to, you know-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- MKMike Krieger
... um, kind of understand what a very smart person looking at this would ask as the next follow-up question, and then can you kind of-
- MMMarina Mogilko
I love that
- MKMike Krieger
... go from there.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do, do you
- 16:15 – 16:41
Overcoming writer’s block using AI
- MMMarina Mogilko
still type? You said you're writing-
- MKMike Krieger
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... or you would do voice?
- MKMike Krieger
Um, it's kind of a mix. Another thing I've done with Claude, sometimes when I'm like, I, I, I'm a little bit of writer's block, I need to get started, but I still want that experience of working through an idea myself, is I will, uh, turn on the voice mode and just talk to it for 20 minutes sometimes, and at the end say, "All right, that was a lot. Now, can you organize that into some kind of, you know, real cohesive document that you can-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... uh, that I can send?"
- MMMarina Mogilko
When do
- 16:41 – 20:00
When will AI generate ideas better than humans—and start generating revenue?
- MMMarina Mogilko
you think it's gonna happen that AI generates ideas better than humans? 'Cause what- where I see this going, you have this marketing AI, you have this product AI. What if we just combine all of this and tell it like, "Hey, AI, go identify niches in the market where you can build a business. Build a business, launch ads, make me money"? Like, when is... Do you think it's gonna happen, and when? [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
Well, it's an interesting... One experiment we ran internally, um, is, so we have a whole team that is starting to really focus on, um, sort of Claude in the real world or, you know, frontier applications of Claude and what can we learn by studying him. And one of the things that we had it do was actually run a vending machine, and now it's multiple vending machines here at the office. Um, and so people could talk to Claude.
- MMMarina Mogilko
I think I've read that, yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
It's, it's a great paper.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm.
- MKMike Krieger
It's called Project Vend. Um, and what's interesting is, in some cases, it's very capable. Like, it was able to track inventory, place backup orders, like do all these things, interact with the people who were talking to it. But as a pure sort of business, it still made some, like, mistakes, like overestimating demand, you know, overcharging or undercharging for th- some things. So, uh, I think one aspect that we need to develop before it's fully ready to be sort of a entrepreneur in a box is a little bit more of that business sense and, and how to understand the market, like, what is actually sellable, etcetera. But often we find with some steering or some feedback, it actually can do very, very well. So maybe initially it's still gonna be, "All right, partner with a person. Let's go, you know, maybe like business school 101, like identify a problem or a, a market gap-"... try it out, learn from it, um, see what worked and what didn't, and go and, and build from there. Um, but what I think is also really interesting is that you can also set up some experiments around, like, what are the things that people are searching for? Like, what are the demands? Like, what are the feedback that other products are getting that maybe a new product could fill better? And then have Claude both brainstorm the idea and then also go off and build it.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you think it's more, for you as an entrepreneur also, is it more encouraging or discouraging when AI is getting so powerful?
- MKMike Krieger
I think for me, you know, having watched over the, the years, like, the, the friction to starting something new, in some ways, has decreased; in other, in other cases is about the same. You know, it's- uh, there's more resources out there about what is it like to incorporate or raise money than there was when I was, when I was doing even Instagram for the first time. But building stuff is still, you know, can still be a challenge, and that needs, needs to continue to get easier. So I always felt like there was more good ideas than there were, you know, products that kind of surfaced those ideas out there. So I think it's exciting to have more of that, um, out there. Partially also because if the cost of creating that company goes down, you should also get new funding models. Like, not every idea needs to be a huge, venture-funded, you know, billion-dollar business. Um, but if you have to build a whole tech team around it, and you have to go higher, and then it's gonna require some funding. And so I'm very excited about, call it the next five years of companies that can scale from the, you know, world-changing, venture-funded, crazy ambitious companies, but also the ones that solve a problem really well for a particular demographic and maybe remain a one to five-person team along with AI.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, this is where I think this model-- 'cause I raised, uh, venture capital as a creator, like, I was the first creator to do that. I feel like this is the age where you invest in humans because now they can iterate through so many ideas in-
- MKMike Krieger
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... a year.
- MKMike Krieger
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And you wanna back someone who has these ideas
- 20:00 – 21:30
Where should young entrepreneurs start today?
- MMMarina Mogilko
and, uh, can execute.
- MKMike Krieger
100%.
- MMMarina Mogilko
For all the entrepreneurs who are watching, where should they start today if they wanna start?
- MKMike Krieger
I mean, I think there's two things that I think you'd think about that are unique to the moment versus, like, generally about starting companies. One is, um, not building for where the models are today but where you think that they can get to in one or two model generations. By the time you've built it, the models will have done that, that move on. And so, um, the way you do that is to push the models as hard as you can, like, break them almost, and say, "Wow, wouldn't it be great if..." Um, uh, one, uh, uh, experiment somebody ran internally was, like, they gave Claude their whole to-do list, you know, and, like, reminders or something, and was like: "Hey, Claude, go do all these things." And he really quickly hit a point where, "Well, it didn't have all the information about me, so it can't do it," or this is before we had Claude for Chrome, "It can't use my browser, so it can't, like, go and, you know, fill out this form that I needed to fill out." But then you can imagine: "Well, what if it could? All right, should I be building towards that?" And does that feel like a five-year journey or like a, you know-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Two months [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
... two months? Six months, and things are accelerating.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
And so that's, like, a very big piece, I think, is, like, the best companies, um, are building, like, ready to, you know, take advantage of the fact that the models will continue to, to improve. And your advantage as an entrepreneur is that you don't have a legacy code base. You don't have people using a product in a particular way. You can build for that, you know, kind of inflection point.
- MMMarina Mogilko
It's just so hard to predict, like, if the model's gonna take over your whole business niche, right?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah. But I think that, you know, and it definitely hard to predict in the, you know, three-year range. Although, at that point, you can also kind of evolve
- 21:30 – 22:38
How to predict the next evolution of AI models
- MKMike Krieger
the business. But, like, seeing what models were bad at six months ago or and are better at now, or, like, okay today but could be better at the future, I think that can really come just from, like, constant contact with them.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm, and just start iterating. What would be your advantage, compared to a model that could do the same thing in a year?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, I mean, then it's-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Customer interaction?
- MKMike Krieger
... yeah, it's very much so.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Customer experience.
- MKMike Krieger
It's like-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... if you can create that, um, if you're building at that edge, and you understand your customer segment, then you're gonna be the one that is gonna best be suited to say, "All right, you know what also got better? Like, this aspect, and I get how that's gonna connect to my customer segment, and I already have the relationships." 'Cause people are still- they seek trust still, right? And, you know, somebody who understands their segment and has the relationships is going to, you know, be a more trustworthy source any day than, like, a brand-new person or a company that they've never interacted with before.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, and I like how you said in one of your interviews that every product has this vibe.
- MKMike Krieger
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And, uh, if you're building something with passion, then it definitely has your vibe, right? That some people are gonna connect with, and that's gonna be you.
- MKMike Krieger
Exactly, right, and that, the- that's your voice coming through there, even beyond whatever AI is gonna provide.
- MMMarina Mogilko
What would be your advice
- 22:38 – 25:09
Which niches hold the biggest opportunities in the AI era?
- MMMarina Mogilko
to entrepreneurs who are looking to start a company? What niches do you think have the most potential?
- MKMike Krieger
I think people, um, are still, uh, fundamentally, like, human and still have, like, very human needs. So I think a lot of the, the aspects I still think about being really important are, for example, people's health, both physical and mental, and even though there's the beginning of AI helping with those aspects, I think there's so much more potential around that as well, right? How do we relate to ourselves? How do we develop our own, you know, understanding of where we're showing up well, where we could be showing up better? Um, how we can continue to, uh, evolve kind of as individuals, but us also as teams or as partners? So that's another- an area that I think, um, I'm excited for more companies to get formed in there. Fitness and performance coaching is another, another place that's important there, um, too. I think there's also going to be this, uh, renaissance of being, you know, into the physical or the real world. You know, you had-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, yes [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
... there was very much this, like, you know, social media, like, thing that was- You know, Instagram, at its best, was helping people get out and see the world in a different way. At scale, maybe it became more about, like, watching what other people were doing than going out yourself, right? So how do we get new companies and products that are about, you know, either exploring something new, getting to see the city through a new light, participating in a civic way that's different? I think not all of these require AI, but done right, they could be encouraged by AI.
- MMMarina Mogilko
What should be w- w- entrepreneurs focusing on? Is it getting expertise in the niche where they're building, or just being focused on, like, identifying those niches and iterating ideas?
- MKMike Krieger
I think a lot of the most important companies are going to come from understanding those niches or those businesses. So a friend of mine is, uh, building a company in the construction space, and she went to all of the construction conferences, got to know people really building in that space, and understanding what is, like, uniquely important about that. So it reminds me a lot of when I was at the Stanford d.school, that whole process of developing empathy and storytelling, and really getting to the heart of what the needs are, where technology actually can have an impact on an industry or a person in a positive way. That ends up being very, very important. You know, I've also met another entrepreneur who works with AI for a very specific type of legal practice, and-... they're, you know, going off to, you know, states in the US that aren't the most tech-forward necessarily, but spending a lot of time with people who are in that particular discipline. So that kind of expertise is, I think, what is gonna differentiate the companies, because it's gonna be easier to build, but that knowledge of, like, what actually to build and how to build very specifically for that is gonna be what's really valuable.
- 25:09 – 26:20
Early Instagram growth strategies. How to promote your product in the AI era
- MMMarina Mogilko
What about marketing? 'Cause it feels like, okay, ideas, I can generate a lot of ideas, Claude can help me, then I build the product with Claude or Replit or Lovable. What- what's gonna happen to marketing? Everyone's talking about, like, hey, everyb- what it- what should be on social media, because otherwise, how do you market [chuckles] your idea? What do you think?
- MKMike Krieger
That's definitely evolved from- when we were building Instagram, the way you got your, you know, product out there, especially a social product like Instagram, was, for us, people sharing their Instagram creations to, um, Facebook and to Twitter at the time, and then seeing that link and then finding that. It's definitely shifted to much more of this, uh, sort of creator-led, you know, whether it's Instagram or on TikTok, and people telling those stories, um, and, and discovering those products. It's interesting watching that evolution now and kind of wondering, like, well, what comes after that as well? You know, is it gonna be, um, still, like, algor- algorithmic recommendations, or are we gonna return to, oh, like, word of mouth, "I really like this thing, and it solved my very specific problem, and I'm gonna share it with you"? And maybe there's some combination of those two that needs to, needs to happen, but I completely agree that the- what will also differentiate beyond an understanding of a market is also the ability to tell the story around that.
- 26:20 – 27:40
Staying authentic in a world full of AI-generated content
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah. What was gonna happen to content, you think, in two or three years? 'Cause my feed is, like, maybe 50% AI, something, like, crazy going on, or I see an AI-generated image.
- MKMike Krieger
It's been int- like, I, uh, I like to use- trying to use social products from all around the world, and for a while, I was using, um, a social media app that was, um, like, very popular in China. And the thing that struck me was that you had creators that were really good at AI-generated, sort of fantastical architecture, and they had a real following, even though their work was all generated, because they had a voice. And so I think that is the, the next piece that, um, not a lot of people are doing well, which is, yes, you can be using AI for generating videos or text, but if it's just generic or if it's just, you know, kind of a bunch of random things that you manage to generate, I don't think that's gonna generate following, or I think that's not gonna generate, um, like a, a real, uh, presence on these platforms. Whereas I remember there was a, a photographer that- early Instagram photographer, like, probably one of our first 10,000 users, and he took a photo of the same hill, like, outside his window, like, every day. And it was like, that was like a photographic practice that he had, and that was really cool because then his followers could see that he had a view of the world and, and kind of a, a perspective, and I think the same thing needs to be true to succeed as a creator, even if you're using AI tools.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, that's fascinating.
- 27:40 – 30:17
How to stay valuable in the AI era
- MMMarina Mogilko
Uh, let's talk about people who don't have entrepreneurial ambitions, but they're like, "I wanna work for a company." Uh, your hiring strategy at, at Anthropic has changed recently, right? You're hiring more high-level people. Is that right?
- MKMike Krieger
It's got kind of a shift. So uh, the way I think about it is, you want people that, um, are gonna be defined more about the problems that they wanna solve and how they can creatively solve them in a very specific sort of, "I know JavaScript, and I'm gonna do- work in this exact, um, environment." And so I'm still really drawn to the folks that, on the weekends, um, or in their, you know, spare time, are prototyping ideas, like, they came up with something. They're bringing that even to the interview process. You know, some of our product managers that we've talked to have had, like, a culture of experimentation that they've been working through, and I think that's very, uh, very interesting, and I really look for that when I'm hiring. The interesting thing is, it's not so different than when I was hiring for Instagram. The people I always gravitated towards were ones that, you know, you, you talk to them on a Monday morning, tell you all about the new thing that they got interested in. It doesn't have to be tech-related, but there is that sort of curiosity-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Excitement and... Yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
Exactly, and I still absolutely look for, look for that as well. And then in terms of the kind of makeup of the teams that we want to build, you know, we, we haven't had a, like, summer internship program, so we've tended less to hire the, like, kind of fresh college grads. But I've been talking to a lot of people who, um, maybe are going through college now or recent graduates. You know, they're also enabling themselves via AI to sort of understand the market, understand the dynamics, be entrepreneurial in their own way, even if they're not starting their own companies, and then coming into companies and telling that story.
- MMMarina Mogilko
How do you learn that? How do you learn how to become entrepreneurial or generate ideas? Are you teaching your kids that?
- MKMike Krieger
I, well, uh, I mean, our kids are pretty young. I do try to, to, to, to encourage the idea of, like, observe the world and be, you know, open to what is there. You know, the thing I did early on was I had a little, yeah, little notebook that I would carry around everywhere, and basically just always kind of writing and ideating. And, like, making space for that sort of quiet ideation time, you know, is, is really useful. And one of the, the ways I've seen people use Claude, you know, if you ask Claude for one idea, it'll generate an idea. Maybe it'll be a good one, but the thing that's unique about it is it can also generate 50 or 100 ideas. So practice that I find is useful is give it, you know, five or 10, and then ask it to fill in the next 30, and maybe one of those sparks something else. There's a lot of research where, um, asking people to brainstorm together in a room is not as effective as asking one person to write down 10 ideas and pass those 10 ideas to the next person, have them, um, kind of generate the next 10. So you can simulate that same process but with AI now.
- MMMarina Mogilko
What is your ritual, uh,
- 30:17 – 31:00
Productivity rituals to generate ideas consistently
- MMMarina Mogilko
for generating ideas? You said quiet time. Do you go on a walk, or-
- MKMike Krieger
Walks are really helpful for me. I also just, like, any kind of repeated action, I really like. I got one of those Peloton rowing machines, um, and I found something easy, like, again, it's, like, very repetitive action, but then your mind can kind of start wandering and, and start thinking about what those different things are. And then also, you need to give your brain the opportunity to make new connections while you're not focusing on it, and then maybe later it'll come and say, "Oh, yeah, that, that actually does connect really well."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Is it, like, every day that you make time for this?
- MKMike Krieger
I wish it were every day. It's more probably, like, once or twice a week these days. Um, but I always- every time I do, I'm like, "I really should be doing this, you know, more regularly," and also be excited to, like, sit down and, like, put pen to paper and then share that with the team.
- MMMarina Mogilko
What about, uh, going back to your kids? I have two small kids,
- 31:00 – 33:10
Skills we’ll need to thrive in the next 10 years
- MMMarina Mogilko
and sometimes I read these articles where like, oh, uh, people who just graduated from college are struggling to find jobs because a lot of entry-level jobs are being replaced with AI. And I'm like, "Okay, I'm worrying about myself, and now I have [chuckles] to worry about them as well." Uh, what are you teaching your kids? What do you think they're gonna do in 10 years when they go out, uh, to the job market?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, it's so far hard to predict, like, what that market looks like, right?
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
I have a six and a four-year-old, so it's gonna be-... the, the what might change a lot, and even some of the how will change, but I think there's a few things that are kind of worth calling out. One is, talked a little bit before about being curious and observant about the world. That remains really powerful. They did this, um, uh, a whole, like, whole school event at my, um, kids' school around, like, uh, even having the kindergartners observe what could be better about the school, and then, like, create posters about, like, ideas about how to improve them. Um-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, that's a great mental exercise for kids. I love it.
- MKMike Krieger
And like, you ask that question-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... you know, and some of the ideas are, like, creative, and some of them are kind of silly, but even, like, having that mentality is something I think will serve anybody well as they grow up, 'cause that's a change that you could try to make within your school, or your community, or your company, and, and, and so forth. So I think that piece matters. And I think the other one that should remain constant, like, there was a lot of energy around, like, "Learn to code. Everybody should learn to code," and I think too many people interpreted that as, like, "You should learn Python." And it's like, yes, you can learn Python, and that's gonna be helpful through to some things, but more than that, it's can you think in terms of systems? Can you think systematically? And the folks that internalize that, I think, even with the advent of AI-generating coding, you can still apply those same techniques, where the ones that were just like, "Oh, yeah, I learned to code, and now I'm, like, feeling adrift because of that."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm.
- MKMike Krieger
So I think what I hope to encourage in, in my kids is that, that sense of curiosity and observation, and then also this ability to think in terms of systems.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Interesting.
- MKMike Krieger
Like, how do these things interrelate, you know? Whenever they, um, they got... [chuckles] 'cause of all the politics and news, they were, like, interested in tariffs, and like, my wife had a really wonderful sort of interactive example of, like, how, you know, interdependent economies might interact, and you could see their eyes kind of- their gears kind of-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Interesting
- MKMike Krieger
... turn.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
So that kind of, like, explain the system, don't just explain the facts.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Love that.
- 33:10 – 34:29
Mike’s tips for learning English efficiently
- MMMarina Mogilko
Uh, can we talk a little bit about your English? 'Cause I started my YouTube journey talking about English, 'cause I'm originally from Russia. I came with an accent, and then I learned how to speak like an American. You sound like an American. Like, how did that happen? [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
I think it was a couple of things. So one was I was interested in music from a very early age, and especially, like, American and British bands. I loved Oasis. I'm actually gonna go see them in a couple of weeks.
- MMMarina Mogilko
I love Oasis.
- MKMike Krieger
I'm excited, but I never saw them-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, are they coming here?
- MKMike Krieger
They're coming to Pasadena, so I'm gonna fly down.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Great.
- MKMike Krieger
Um, but, like, if you're singing that language, you know, you have to kind of hear... You know, for it to even rhyme or sound good, you have to kind of hear yourself, and so I think music was a big part of it as well. And then we moved around a bunch when I was a kid, and, and the one constant were international schools, and so, you know, starting from a fairly early age, I was, I was bilingual. Um, but only lived in the States when I turned 18, and so there were some words that I had never really said out loud, 'cause I had just read them and then, um, uh, internalized them over here. But it is funny, and I mean, we've had- maybe you had this experience, too, where now, now I'm- been here for a while. I'm a citizen here now, but I'll never feel fully like I'm from here, 'cause I grew up in Brazil, but when I go to Brazil, I don't feel fully there, so kind of from both and from neither now.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah. That's super cool. Uh, I wanted to ask for advice for all the immigrants who are watching. Do you think it
- 34:29 – 35:50
Do you need to move to Silicon Valley to build a company?
- MMMarina Mogilko
ma- if you want to build a company in AI, do you think it makes sense to move to Silicon Valley, or again, with AI, does it matter where you are?
- MKMike Krieger
I think the barrier to creating products has really, really, you know, shortened, where now... You know, before, in Brazil, especially when I was growing up there, there wasn't really a talent market of really good engineers. I mean, now there is much more, 'cause there's been generations of companies that have been created, but that might not be the case for every single kind of city or every single country. AI can definitely help there as well. There's also such a broader, uh, set of, you know, information and content around what to look for in a co-founder. How do you think about that initial idea? How do you build from there? How do you market? And what I've been really excited about is, you know, whenever I talk to, for example, Brazilian entrepreneurs, where I'm from, who are understanding uniquely Brazilian problems or uniquely Brazilian opportunities around our unique payment systems, you know, how, uh, Brazilian, the economy works, like the public safety questions, and then applying AI or applying technology to those problems, I think there's a tremendous opportunity there. And one of the things I get excited about is, in the past, if you had some idea there, your only path would have been, "Well, I hope I can go fundraise from Silicon Valley VCs." I think there's much more of an opportunity to, um, build that locally and then try to fundraise if you need to.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, 'cause you don't, you don't need funds to build an MVP now.
- MKMike Krieger
You can at least get to that point where you've gotten something exciting.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Wanted to wrap up
- 35:50 – 37:20
Will AI replace language learning?
- MMMarina Mogilko
the language part.
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you think language learning is gonna be replaced by AI?
- MKMike Krieger
I really think about this, because, you know, I, um, I've been out of Brazil for long enough, where all of the sort of like colloquialism or slang has moved on, and I just haven't lived there in a long time. And so I've used... Even though I'm fluent in Portuguese, I'll now use Claude and say, "You know, I'm about to send this to somebody who's, like, my age. Like, do I sound old, or do I sound, like, out of date?" And it'll be like, "Well, you might want to use this kind of, uh, language instead," or something like, you know, kind of nuanced there. I still think the, the value of learning the nuances of languages is still important. You know, we went to Korea, uh, with a lot of the Ar- Anthropic team in March, and Claude is actually quite good at Korean. Um, we heard from people on the ground that it's the best of the, at the, of the models at Korean. But even still, they said, "It still sounds like a really cool Korean that, like, grew up in LA and then, like, moved back."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm. [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
And I was like, "That's nuance!" Like, I'm not sure-
- MMMarina Mogilko
American vibes. [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah. So how do we, like, uh, continue to, to push that as well? But, you know, we're, we're definitely getting to the point where that sort of vision of, like, you can be in a country and, uh, you know, interact, you know, that with, with-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, AI is gonna become natural at some point. And then do you think there's gonna be a ver- wearable that we're wearing, and it just interacts for you, listens for you, and-
- MKMike Krieger
I think so, although there's also the value of having, like, technology-free interactions, and so there's, I think, always still gonna be that a, the appeal of, "All right, I actually learned this language. I'm gonna go and, and be with somebody in full presence, rather than feel like we're being intermediated by technology."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Uh, do you have any rituals, uh,
- 37:20 – 39:12
Mike’s daily routine and schedule hacks
- MMMarina Mogilko
any-... hard nos, um, because you're a dad, you're a husband, but you're also a CPO at this huge company. Can you talk about your day-to-day?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, I really focus on, you know, the, the routines that kind of anchor my day are, um, you know, for a long time I resisted being a morning person, but now I've just realized that, like, 'cause we're-
- MMMarina Mogilko
You have to. In the US, you have to.
- MKMike Krieger
Mm.
- MMMarina Mogilko
It's, like, 4:00 [chuckles] 4:00 AM people everywhere.
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, the- a- and the kids, you know, they- they're gonna start school at 8:00, then you gotta get up early. But we have breakfast together, and we wake up early enough where we actually have time to dedicate to breakfast, and that ends up being, like, this really great morning ritual. And sometimes we'll also do, you know, like, longer dinners with the kids, and, like, get to download the day, but those are more unpredictable. Sometimes they're exhausted, and they just wanna get through it and go into, you know, bedtime. So breakfast is a more reliable kind of opportunity to kind of set intentions and think about the day, so we'll, we'll always, we'll always kind of anchor on that. And then we read to them every night, and that's been fun to see the evolution from, you know, you're reading your very simple board books to now picking up these stories, and, and then now our six-year-old can sort of start reading to our four-year-old, which is also very cute, so-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, that's the best. They can take care of themselves now. [laughing]
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, it's great. You can kind of do that. So I think, like, those... that, that start and the, the start and finish anchors are really valuable. So, like, no matter what, you know, even if later I'm gonna have to pick back some project that I'm doing, like, really stopping and spending that time, and, like, anchoring either side of the day has been great.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Anything around travel? Do you have to travel a lot, or-
- MKMike Krieger
The travel pieces I've tried to do, one, uh, that was a m- newer thing, and it's not even using very much AI, but I discovered Timeshifter this year, and it's been, like, the biggest-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, the jet lag thing?
- MKMike Krieger
... game changer. Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
It's like the jet lag thing, and, uh, when we were in Viva Technology, actually, where we met, I used that app going, you know, into that trip, and it was, you know, the, the rest of the team would laugh at me 'cause I was like, "All right, everybody, stop drinking coffee. It's, you know-
- MMMarina Mogilko
[chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
... 3:00 in the afternoon-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... and, you know, start taking this. Take melatonin," but it really worked.
- MMMarina Mogilko
It works, yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
So now I'm, like, a real, uh, believer in, in that kind of, uh, piece.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Couple of final questions.
- 39:12 – 40:30
What wakes him up at night
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you ever wake up at night and think, like, "Oh, my God, where the world is going with AI?" Like, because you see all the headlines, right? And all the things happening. Are you optimistic or pessimistic? [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
I'm generally optimistic, but I'm also, um, maybe, like, cautious optimism or, like, the, um... It's optimism if you believe you can actually, uh, help steer things towards a good outcome. So one of the biggest things I wanna do coming out of the Artifact experience, I knew I wanted to go work at a frontier model lab. I thought that that's where, you know, the maximum impact I was gonna have in the next few years. But I really wanted to be somewhere where I felt really aligned with the, you know, the founding team and the kind of core ethics of the company around how they thought about scaling AI, right? So it's not just, "Build the most powerful AI you possibly can," it's also dedicate effort to understanding how these models work, and how we can control them, and how we can responsibly scale them. And so, um, there's definitely, you know, inside Anthropic and outside, a lot of conversations around, like, well, this could be really positive for humanity. It also could go quite badly.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- MKMike Krieger
Um, there's gonna be economic impacts. There's gonna be labor impacts. There's models that we don't understand yet and how, how they scale. Um, so I wanted to be somewhere where we were also asking and working on those questions alongside the, you know, more purely, like, "Let's just make the models-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... really
- 40:30 – 42:05
Mike’s perspective on Universal Basic Income
- MKMike Krieger
good."
- MMMarina Mogilko
It- so you think w- do you think we're gonna have universal basic income at some stage? And would companies like Anthropic sponsor it, or...?
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah, I think that, like, how we help society navigate is very much an open question. I think that the, the, the big open question that we'll also have to tackle is: what is... where do people draw meaning from in a place where not everybody has to work anymore? Like, what is the source of both meaning and challenges, and is it, you know, finding ways in which people stay engaged? Is it that a lot of people will be entrepreneurial? As you mentioned, not everybody is gonna have that-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... kind of drive. And so for those folks, what is the, you know, what is the community that they find? What is their personal challenge that they find even beyond that, that retains that meaning?
- MMMarina Mogilko
What do you think?
- MKMike Krieger
I think, you know, I look to sports as a kind of an interesting example, where we draw a lot of, um, meaning and, um, sort of, uh, like, uh, high stakes from an environment that is actually completely fabricated. And so not everything should be exactly like sports, but whether it's, you know, uh, who's contributing the most to their city or to their community, or who's, like, mastered this particular thing, or even artistic pursuits like, you know, um, getting really into art or music or something like that. I find, uh, inspiration in those fields, and maybe more people will draw meaning from those kinds of pursuits, where the yardstick is not necessarily how much money did you make, or is your company at the top of the leaderboard, but more around, "Okay, I have some personal yardstick that I'm working towards."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, like a hobby.
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Like, some, like... That sounds like a dream life, [chuckles] right? When you can just focus on your hobby and have all the basics.
- MKMike Krieger
And if there's enough of the, you know, challenge or meaning in there to still, to still matter.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- 42:05 – 43:36
Mike’s top 3 favorite AI apps
- MMMarina Mogilko
What are your top three favorite AI apps?
- MKMike Krieger
Um, that's a good question. Well, of course, Claude Code.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah. [chuckles]
- MKMike Krieger
I spend a lot of time, like, coding in Claude Code and, and, and doing that. One interesting one I've been using, um, uh, you know, for a long time, I would, like, you know, log my, uh, meals and, like, my macros and protein. It's always, like, such a huge, like, annoyance, where you're like, "Ah, I don't know. I'm gonna, like, estimate," and, like, what's the portion size? And all these years of computer vision research, I think, just got completely taken over by just feeding them into an LLM. And so, um, I've been using, like, an AI-powered meal tracking app that does such a good- you just take a photo, and you go back to your life, and it's like-
- MMMarina Mogilko
And it has all your proteins and everything, right?
- MKMike Krieger
And it's amazing.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- MKMike Krieger
And it, like, estimates your, your, um, uh, like, portion sizes, et cetera-
- MMMarina Mogilko
What's the name for it?
- MKMike Krieger
Levels.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- MKMike Krieger
Um, but what I love is it's actually very much a, uh, uh, technology that hopefully it makes me healthier, but also just helps me stay present, where I'm not spending, like, the extra five minutes on my phone finding the thing-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- MKMike Krieger
... and it can just be like, take a photo, like, move on, and then, and then kind of go on and, and go from there as well. Um, and then last one I least, like, I also just like, um, anything that has to do with learning. So, like, any, like, AI-powered learning. I've been enjoying both my kids using Duolingo ABC now to learn some of the alphabet, but also seeing what they've been doing, for example, is, like, advancing language learning. So anything that, like, brings in that kind of AI-powered, uh, you know, conversational piece. Within Claude, we launched learning mode recently to, like, not just give people answers, but help people understand and learn and kind of iterate from there as well.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Thank you so much, Mike.
- MKMike Krieger
Of course. Thanks for having me.
- MMMarina Mogilko
That was very inspiring.
- MKMike Krieger
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Thank you.
- MKMike Krieger
Great to be here.
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