Silicon Valley GirlLinkedIn founder: how to get ahead while others lose their jobs | Reid Hoffman @reidhoffman
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Teaser
- MMMarina Mogilko
What's going on? Like, should we be afraid?
- RHReid Hoffman
I always recommend hope versus fear.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you think we'll come to a world where we don't need that many people working? [whooshing sound] Do you think in our lifetime?
- RHReid Hoffman
Look, it's possible.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Today, I'm sitting down with Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn, and someone who's on the forefront of building and using new AI tools. I wanted to have a conversation with someone who's deep in it about what our future is going to look like when AI is going to be even more adopted in the world. Will AI take over our jobs? Will robots replace us in the near future? What will the world look like when machines grow smarter, faster, and more capable than ever before? What should we be doing right now, and what tools do we need to stay ahead? Let's dive deep into this conversation with Reid Hoffman. You guys, welcome to Silicon Valley Girl. I have one of the most exciting guests today. Reid, thank you so much for being here.
- RHReid Hoffman
My pleasure.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Uh, you're amazing. LinkedIn is one of the platforms where I'm very active and, uh, Reid founded LinkedIn, and now you're all about AI. You created an AI version of yourself.
- RHReid Hoffman
Reid AI, introduce yourself to everyone. Hello, everyone. I'm thrilled to be here today. I'm an AI-generated version of Reid Hoffman, his digital twin.
- MMMarina Mogilko
A lot of people who watch my channel are actually really worried.
- 1:09 – 3:17
How to stay ahead in a world of AI
- MMMarina Mogilko
I'm worried as well.
- RHReid Hoffman
Mm.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Sometimes when I look at the content, AI-generated, you know, some people are getting replaced, like editors used to cut those short videos. Now we use an app to do that. What's going on? Like, should we be afraid?
- RHReid Hoffman
I always recommend hope versus fear, and, uh, and curiosity and optimism versus, you know, paranoia. But it doesn't mean that it isn't painful to do the transition. So yes, AI tools will be available in a small number of years for everything, and there'll be AI tools for not just the thing I've created with Reid AI, but, like, real-time interaction with Reid AI and all the rest of that, and that will happen. But what we should be doing is figuring out, how do we add our own creativity? I mean, you're one of the creators and everything else. How do we add our own creativity and amplify ourselves with the tools? So, like, for example, of course, you could have an AI just do all your short editing. I bet you the AI doing your short editing is not as good as the AI plus a human doing it.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
And a human using it can now do a whole bunch more than they before. And remember, they might be able to say, "Let's create 15 different versions, and, like, test them to see which are good and do that." And all of a sudden, you have that acceleration of superpower. So fear is generally best converted to curiosity. That doesn't mean it won't be difficult, and that won't- doesn't mean that you won't be learning new things.
- MMMarina Mogilko
'Cause AI will be learning new things-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... and becoming better and better.
- RHReid Hoffman
Exactly. But it's part of the reason why I encourage people to go play with it, go try it, because as they realize it, they go, "Oh, I can still do these things-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm
- RHReid Hoffman
... using AI." So, you know, for example, if I'm, if I'm writing an essay, as opposed to starting with a blank page, I'm probably gonna start with a GPT-4 prompt. [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Right? And say, "Hey, I'm thinking about this, this, this, this, and this. I got this. Okay, now this is what I'm gonna start working from-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm
- RHReid Hoffman
... in terms of how to do it." And that, by the way, just accelerates me and makes my ability to bring in my intelligence, as opposed to having to type a lot and stare at the blank page. I can move faster and get to more interesting things, and so it's a, it's a be curious and hopeful, but doesn't mean don't expect, you know, potholes-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... transitions, difficulties. Those will be there,
- 3:17 – 5:00
Skills We Need to Learn Now
- RHReid Hoffman
too.
- MMMarina Mogilko
There are some skills that we need to learn in the next couple of years to not be left behind. Obviously, like testing apps, but also I've heard from someone that it's getting a lot easier to code.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Like, I can learn just some basic things and that use the Copilot tools, and they will help me. Would you suggest doing that or just wait another couple of years when we don't even need coding, and we just-
- RHReid Hoffman
[chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
... talk to it?
- RHReid Hoffman
Well, so I think within this year, 2025, it'll quickly become that every engineer is using at least one Copilot agent.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
And that's part of what professional is, and I think perhaps by the end of next year, 2026, all of us will have a lightweight coding assistant. That doesn't mean it'll code the great iPhone app for you-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... or it will, you know, invent that, that game that you've been thinking of. Um, but it will help you do things like research, where you say, "Hey, bring these, uh, multiple information sources and documents, and put them all together, and generate a list of questions, and then generate some provisional answers," and it will help you with that. And then the coding element will help pull all that stuff together, and that will be part of superpower that you and I will now have in that. Generally speaking, AI, I don't suggest waiting, because part of what you wanna be doing, you know, just like any new technological revolution, whether when YouTube was happening, when the internet's happening, the folks who go and adopt and, uh, play with it early then have a differential edge in the change that it means in the industry and their society. And so even though three years from now the coding tools will be, and agents will be much better than they are now, the people who started playing with them now-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm
- RHReid Hoffman
... will probably be the people who know how to use them and deploy them much more comfortably
- 5:00 – 6:26
Free AI toolkit
- RHReid Hoffman
early.
- MMMarina Mogilko
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- 6:26 – 8:17
What kids should learn
- MMMarina Mogilko
talking about, like, two years.
- RHReid Hoffman
Mm.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yes, of course, AI will not be able to come up with an app, but I'm thinking that in 15 years, I will tell AI, like, "Come up with a business idea, code an app or a website, start selling, figure out the marketing strategy." Like, what should I tell my daughters? Uh, what should they be learning now? Should they be acquiring academic knowledge or just learning social skills? Because this is what we'll have left, or, like-
- RHReid Hoffman
Well-
- MMMarina Mogilko
function
- RHReid Hoffman
... I think it's always good to learn social skills, but, for example, take that thing of where you say... Say everyone was going to GPT-4 and say-... give me an idea for a lemonade stand business. Well, it'll give them all the same idea.
- MMMarina Mogilko
But it has the memory feature, so [chuckles] it's gonna have the-
- RHReid Hoffman
Well, but it has the memory feature for you. It doesn't necessarily taking that memory feature for other folks.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm.
- RHReid Hoffman
It depends a little bit, and depends on how the learning and training. But generally speaking, say, all million five-year-olds were equally provisioned-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... with GPT-4, which lemonade stands are gonna work?
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
Well, the, the five-year-olds who think, "Oh, I should make my lemonade stand with Hello Kitty," right? Like, "I, I, I know, I know my neighborhood, I know my- like, people really like Hello Kitty. So I'll go in, and I'll prompt it for, 'What would a Hello Kitty"-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... "you know, lemonade stand be?'" And so that engagement and learning how to use the tool, just like learning how to use an iPhone, or learning how to use, you know, a computer, or learning how to use, you know, kind of... And obviously, you know, Photoshop and everything else are now gonna be much easier because one of the things AI is, is it's like the meta tool. And so it'll- as, as opposed to having to learn all the details of Photoshop, you can just use the AI to say, "Well, I'm really thinking about something that has this kind of look and this kind of light effect. Can you do that?" And it'll figure out how to do that for you.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Um, as opposed to all the mechanics. So that kind of, um, uh, visual thinking, um, or, you know, creativity, or tool use is a thing that you also wanna be instilling with a kind of a, a direction of always be learning.
- MMMarina Mogilko
But
- 8:17 – 9:00
The role of creativity and understanding human needs
- MMMarina Mogilko
fundamentals like mathematics, uh, basic coding, is, uh, still gonna be useful?
- RHReid Hoffman
I think that the coding mindset-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... is still useful. I, I don't think-
- MMMarina Mogilko
I like that.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
I don't think-
- MMMarina Mogilko
It's all about the mindset-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... and the way we think.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes, exactly. It's a little bit like... You know, people were terrified when calculators came out, that people would stop learning math. It's like, no, no, no, but you stop learning the, "Okay, [chuckles] you know, I have this whole process of how I carry the one and do all the rest of the..." I understand how it works, but I use the calculator, or now the computer-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... or the phone to do the math. But I still understand math. I still need to understand math. I still think about math in different ways. I just am not, um... Like, the job of what I am is a human calculating machine.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Got it.
- RHReid Hoffman
That job doesn't exist.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- 9:00 – 10:21
The future of work
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you think we'll come to a world where we don't need that many people working?
- RHReid Hoffman
You know, it's possible. Um, I don't think it's actually, in fact, any near, uh, any, uh, near time. [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
But we see the trends, like Silicon Valley working four days. People are- Wednesday, they're, like, already [chuckles] preparing for the weekend.
- RHReid Hoffman
Well, none of the company-
- MMMarina Mogilko
At least what I've seen, like, in bars, et cetera.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes. [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
They're full-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah
- MMMarina Mogilko
... Wednesdays and Thursdays.
- RHReid Hoffman
Well, uh, the bars may be full, but none of the, uh, companies that I'm, uh, working with are working less than 80-hour weeks.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Okay, but tho- those are startups or-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
But, like, bigger companies.
- RHReid Hoffman
But I think bigger companies are also working their way back through the pandemic.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
It's part of the why- reason why the return to office and all the rest of this in terms of it. And, and I think that the... You know, for example, Germany is an example of an industrialized society that went to a very rigorously maintained number of hours work week, and I think it's possible. But I think that because, you know, human beings tend to wanna go do epic things, work really hard, sometimes make themselves wealthy, you know, spend a whole bunch of time on a YouTube channel-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... et cetera, et cetera. That I think that, that a l- large number of people will still be very engaged. So I don't think it's, it's necessarily a, uh, a quick general retirement.
- 10:21 – 11:30
Universal Basic Income and Robots
- MMMarina Mogilko
So you're not think- 'cause my thought was, like, if it- if AI continues to develop that fast, we're gonna have Universal Basic Income.
- RHReid Hoffman
Mm.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And then some people are gonna work, and some people are gonna just enjoy lives. Do you think that's... that might be a reality?
- RHReid Hoffman
I think people like, uh, competing for things. Look, it's possible. Like, if you got to a point where you had enough, you know, kind of the science fiction, Star Trek kind of future, where you had enough, you know, kind of robots that were producing everything, uh, produced, you know, all of our material needs and-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Robots who-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... put your kids to bed-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah
- MMMarina Mogilko
... do your laundry.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah. Like, and it's possible. But by the way, if you even- if you think about, like, how long it will take to build all those robots? [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
Well, like, I don't know. It's so fast.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Like, I've been in Silicon Valley for 10 years.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
San Francisco, full of self-driving cars.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And 10 years ago, I couldn't imagine that, and now-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes, although there's still a limited number of those cars that are Waymos. There's still many more Ubers and many more Lyfts. I'm just saying, there's physical constraints-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... in the creation of that world. That's one of the reasons why people are like... 'Cause I t- I talk to the same Silicon Valley people you do, and it's like, "We're gonna have universal basic income in five years." Like-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... no chance. [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
Okay. So do you think in our
- 11:30 – 13:30
The main characteristic that helps us to survive
- MMMarina Mogilko
lifetime?
- RHReid Hoffman
Not impossible. Look, in one hand is, like, all the physical constraints of building everything that matters, you know, cars and clothing and houses and, you know, all the rest of the stuff. But then also it gets to... You know, part of what, you know, kind of the human impulse is, like, we compete, as you know, and a lot of people we work with and work alongside here, you know, aren't just content to say, "Well, I've got a house that's in, you know, downtown Burlingame that's, you know, two bedrooms. You know, I want the big house in Atherton."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm.
- RHReid Hoffman
You know, and so that kind of competing still happens, and so people will still have that as kind of an impulse and want that in various ways.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Uh, and you see it not just in economics, but also, of course, in sports teams and, and all the rest of this, and, and the attention economy, and all of this. And so I, I tend to think that, like, there's also this human factor that isn't the, "Oh, I'm, I'm just gonna be happy, you know, kind of, uh, reading books, gardening,"-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... "et cetera." And so I, I, I tend to think that the, that the, the kind of we are all one nation of retirees or one species of retirees, I think that's almost certainly not the future. The question is: How does it blend between it? And obviously, the people who are, who are working hard wanna have a differential reward for it. They want something that, that plays into it. That doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't UBI, but, like-... um, you may even need to be what is called CBI, which is Conditional Basic Income, because in order to still be engaged in society, it's like, well, no, you can have a UBI, but you have to spend at least 10 hours a week doing community service-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... doing something that, you know, helps the local seniors or helps the local schools or something like that, so you're engaged in society and you're invested in it.
- MMMarina Mogilko
It's really important for longevity.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes. Yes, exactly. So what the shape is, I think, is still very, very TBD, and further out than most of the technology visionaries will have.
- MMMarina Mogilko
That makes me, you know, [chuckles] feel better. Okay, let's talk about entrepreneurship.
- 13:30 – 15:40
Perspectives on Building a New Company Bigger Than MEGA 7
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
What I noticed, like, my startup, we built a search engine for study abroad programs.
- RHReid Hoffman
Mm.
- MMMarina Mogilko
If you ask me now, like, would I build something like this in 2025? Of course not. I would just build, build an AI bot.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
So it looks like a lot of business ideas, especially online, there is... You only have, like, two or three months before, uh-
- RHReid Hoffman
Mm
- MMMarina Mogilko
... OpenAI comes up with another model that solves your problem.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you think there is a chance to build, like, a company that's bigger than the Mega 7?
- RHReid Hoffman
Oh, uh, almost for sure. Uh, I continue to invest.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
Um, I continue looking, uh, to do that. Um, and I think there will be... I think we're... You know, whatever count you have, five, seven, I think there will be 10 to 15 over the next five to 10 years. I think we're broadening out that way. Now, you don't do it by building a company that is like, "I'm gonna build the new iPhone company. Like, I just have a new idea for an iPhone."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
Like, the... It isn't... Look, once a company is really established in its position, you don't actually take it from behind. What you do is, the technology gives you a different angle, and you start building from something else. Like, who would've, who would've thought five to 10 years ago that NVIDIA would be the-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes. [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Right. So it's, it's different angles by which it happens. Now, um, and the fact that, you know, there's, you know, gonna be a limited number of what are called frontier models, you know, the largest scale AI models, doesn't mean that there aren't room for mega AI startup companies, because the... It's not only the technology model is not the only thing that matters. It's a kind of like, how is it productized? How is it integrated into people's lives? What's your go-to-market strategy? How do those things work? And you can still create businesses that have network effects, marketplaces, other kinds of things, that can be, in fact, very big. And so, um, and so I... You know, we at Greylock, um, myself, we're kind of looking at all of the things that, uh, could create the next big mega companies, and that's generally speaking, what you're looking to invest in. Now, that being said, if someone came along now and said, "I'm gonna try to build the next OpenAI from scratch right now," it's like, well, there is an OpenAI-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... that's doing a really, really good
- 15:40 – 17:15
Investors Didn’t Believe in Airbnb: What Reid Looks for in Founders and Startups
- RHReid Hoffman
job. [chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
What should entrepreneurs look at? What industries?
- RHReid Hoffman
The thing that I had predicted, you know, 15 months ago when I was talking to my partners at Greylock, is that we were gonna see a whole bunch of enterprise apps. We're gonna see, um, you know, kind of workflow, productivity, coding apps, um, uh, legal assistance, medical assistance-
- MMMarina Mogilko
And it's happening
- RHReid Hoffman
... tutors-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... all that stuff, all which is great. And I said, "Look, I'm happy to invest in a bunch of these things."
- MMMarina Mogilko
It's not a billion-dollar company.
- RHReid Hoffman
Well-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Or-
- RHReid Hoffman
... things don't start as a billion-dollar company.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
It's a question of, of where- how big and strategic and economic do these businesses get? And so, now for me, I tend to like to be surprised by the entrepreneur who's thinking in a new direction that most people aren't thinking. It was, like, one of the reasons I... Like, the first investment that I brought to Greylock was Airbnb.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
Right? 'Cause it's similar things. Like, everyone... Like, literally, like, my partners at Greylock were like, "People are gonna rent-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... a room or a house from other people? Like, is this real?" And that kind of thing. And so I similarly like to look for those kinds of things within AI. It's like, what's something about the use of AI that most of the entrepreneurs, who are all heading towards building coding assistance or productivity apps or s- new security paradigms, haven't quite gotten-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... that's, like, that new way of thinking? And that's one of the reasons why I like, for example, when we were talking about your daughters, that the role for creativity, the role for, you know, kind of, uh, human... You know, understanding humanities and so forth, is still actually, in fact, very important. Because predicting what those m- markets might be, what people might want at scale-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... is extremely important, and that's the kind of thing I'm looking for.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Do you have a feeling of, like, the
- 17:15 – 19:10
Which Markets Will Be Completely Changed by AI
- MMMarina Mogilko
markets?
- RHReid Hoffman
Uh, some.
- MMMarina Mogilko
That will be, like, completely changed by AI, and that's the opportunity.
- RHReid Hoffman
Oh, um, well, look, an, an obvious one is kind of looking at the set of different categories that people aren't, you know, per se, thinking about, you know, whether it's marketplaces or networks of various... human networks of various sorts and saying, "Hey, can AI do something interesting here?" And, you know, I don't usually, when I'm ideating on ideas, say them in a-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Okay.
- RHReid Hoffman
[chuckles] In a-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Well, of course, yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
[chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
'Cause my top videos are, like, top 10 business ideas-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... or whatever.
- RHReid Hoffman
[chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
But, like, it's just interesting where you're looking at, like, healthcare or education.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yeah.
- MMMarina Mogilko
In general, like, if we're talking not about even entrepreneurship, but, like, in general, where do you feel like the biggest change is gonna happen with AI? Like, what's gonna be transformed? I'm hoping healthcare.
- RHReid Hoffman
Well, I think healthcare is an obvious and very important one. Think about, um... We have the technology today to have a medical assistant on your smartphone that's better than your average doctor, that's available 24 by 7 to everyone with a smartphone, that runs at under, you know, call it a couple dollars an hour-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah
- RHReid Hoffman
... in terms of compute cost to run it. We should get that as soon as possible. That doesn't mean doctors are out of work. There's all kinds of things for doctors to do. 'Cause among other things, the app may say, "Hey, these are the three things in most probability from these things." But then the doctor knows, "Oh, these are the things that I'm seeing in the symptom that you didn't tell the AI-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... that's actually really important, that we need to do." There's all kinds of... And a, and a doctor can spend more time with patients, because the AI... Like, "Hey, look, I had this whole conversation with my medical assistant, and here's what I came up with." And he goes, "Oh, well, let's spend more time on this one," and spend some time, 'cause that's all faster, given the economics of it. So I think that-... is clearly going to happen, should happen, should happen as fast as possible.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm.
- RHReid Hoffman
Another one is a tutor for every subject on every age. And to make this kind of like a personal comment, like, I've
- 19:10 – 19:37
What Reid Always Wanted to Learn
- RHReid Hoffman
always been curious to understand quantum mechanics better-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm
- RHReid Hoffman
... because, you know, we have this whole new world of quantum computing, and I'm trying to understand it. And I can repeat the stories that, you know, we read, but, but understanding it in some depth is one of the things I've always wanted to do. Well, now I have a tutor that's infinitely patient.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
They can say, "Oh, here's the thing that you need to understand. These are the questions you have a- what the observer effect in quantum mechanics is, and here are some of the ways to think about it."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, that
- 19:37 – 21:02
TOP 4 AI apps to stay ahead
- MMMarina Mogilko
makes sense. Okay, I'm going to wrap up with two final questions.
- RHReid Hoffman
Great.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Can you tell me what are your three favorite AI apps?
- RHReid Hoffman
My three favorite AI apps, um, I will say four.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Okay.
- RHReid Hoffman
All right, um, in part because, you know, my own inflection, Pi, has to be one of them.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Absolutely. [chuckles]
- RHReid Hoffman
So only three, three in addition.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
Um, ChatGPT, um, from kind of like a, a research assistant.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm.
- RHReid Hoffman
Uh, Midjourney-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm-hmm
- RHReid Hoffman
... from the creation and thinking of bringing me into kind of visual imagination and, um, and kind of being able to create things visually, which I never was able to do before. And then, you know, partially because I've been thinking a lot about we as everyday people are all going to have a coding copilot, so I've been playing a lot with Microsoft's Copilot and coding and getting myself back into that to understand how this is going to transform everyone's use of phones and computers.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah. And the fourth is yours.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes, Inflection's Pi. Which part of it was training, uh, a chatbot to be as good at EQ as it is at IQ.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Mm.
- RHReid Hoffman
To be kind of engaged and warm in the conversation. And, and I think we've actually had a great industry-wide, uh, impact. So I think as people have looked at it, they've gone, "Oh, that's really important. We're going to add some of that into what we're doing."
- MMMarina Mogilko
Okay. And the last question is because you're doing, um, the AI
- 21:02 – 22:49
Advantages of creating an AI version of yourself
- MMMarina Mogilko
version of you, which looks really realistic now that I see in real life-
- RHReid Hoffman
[chuckles]
- MMMarina Mogilko
... because you've shown me all the videos. Should everyone think about creating an AI version of themselves? And have you thought about... Like, have you, have your opinion of your legacy changed once you've created, uh, the AI? Because it can live longer than you.
- RHReid Hoffman
Mm.
- MMMarina Mogilko
It can live for years.
- RHReid Hoffman
Although at the moment, my AI agents live shorter than me because we're revising them so often.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Oh, yeah. [chuckles]
- RHReid Hoffman
So, so right now, they're actually... It's, it's shorter. But, you know, I do think that everyone ultimately should consider it. I mean, especially if you, you know, you have kids, and they have grandkids, and there may be something that's kind of-
- MMMarina Mogilko
It's like generations-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... can talk to each other now.
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes, exactly. So, like, that could be a very human-enhancing case. Um, obviously, folks who are doing stuff in media, like you are, like I am, that's very useful in various ways, and we've had Reid AI give, you know, keynotes at conferences and other kinds of things, and it-
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah, I was just at that conference. [laughs]
- RHReid Hoffman
Exactly.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Yeah.
- RHReid Hoffman
And so I think that's another thing. Your front end is not the phone directly calling you, but you could imagine, like, like, the front end is your AI agent. I'm trying to remember, are we... Like, they go, "Oh, yeah, I, I, I remember who you are." And it's like: "Oh, are we meeting for a coffee tomorrow at 2:00 or 3:00? Oh, it's 3:00." And then say, "Okay." And that could all happen with the agent. Or, "I really need to get to Reid right now." "What's the issue? Let's talk about it. Oh, wait a minute, this does sound important. Let me see if I can get him on the phone."
- MMMarina Mogilko
That's awesome. Even, like, adopting someone's mindset, 'cause I sometimes-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... ask ChatGPT, "Can you think like this person?"
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes, exactly.
- MMMarina Mogilko
And that, that's very useful. Thank you so much, Reid. Uh, you gave me a lot of hope [chuckles] actually, 'cause I was like, "Oh, my God, it's taking over everything."
- RHReid Hoffman
No.
- MMMarina Mogilko
But it's actually enhancing us, and this is what you-
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes
- MMMarina Mogilko
... your new book is about, right?
- RHReid Hoffman
Yes, and, and we're doing all kinds of little AI things to also, you know, enhance and promote it.
- MMMarina Mogilko
That's awesome. Thank you so much.
- RHReid Hoffman
Thank you.
- MMMarina Mogilko
Thank you.
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