
Roundtable #4 with Jason Lemkin, Woody Marshall, Deven Parekh, Harry Stebbings | E1071
Deven Parekh (guest), Harry Stebbings (host), Woody Marshall (guest), Jason Lemkin (guest), Harry Stebbings (host)
In this episode of The Twenty Minute VC, featuring Deven Parekh and Harry Stebbings, Roundtable #4 with Jason Lemkin, Woody Marshall, Deven Parekh, Harry Stebbings | E1071 explores top VCs Debate Growth, Valuations, IPOs, and the AI Hype Cycle Growth investing is far from dead: underlying company performance remains strong, but deal volume is down sharply as investors and founders work through a valuation reset from 2021 highs.
Top VCs Debate Growth, Valuations, IPOs, and the AI Hype Cycle
Growth investing is far from dead: underlying company performance remains strong, but deal volume is down sharply as investors and founders work through a valuation reset from 2021 highs.
The panel highlights deep misalignments around valuations, structured terms, and option prices, arguing that honest repricing and employee re‑incentivization are crucial for long‑term health.
They see the IPO market as cautiously reopening with small, disciplined offerings where execution and profitability matter more than raw growth, and expect a more normalized environment by late 2024.
On AI, they agree it’s a fundamental long‑term shift but view current late‑stage AI valuations as a hype-driven outlier, warranting caution rather than fear of missing out.
Key Takeaways
Growth isn’t dead, but pace and pricing have normalized.
Underlying company growth remains strong, yet new deal volume is way down as both sides adjust from 2021’s unsustainable valuations to more realistic, slower-paced processes that re-emphasize relationship building and diligence.
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Honest valuation resets and 409A repricing are healthy.
Resetting option prices and acknowledging lower valuations keeps teams motivated and avoids distorted, ‘all-in-on-black’ decision-making; clinging to peak valuations leads to bad choices and demotivation, especially for employees who lack downside protection.
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Structured terms often create misalignment and should be used sparingly.
Preferences and guaranteed return structures can look attractive when things go well, but they misalign founders and investors around exit decisions and make mid-range strategic offers (e. ...
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Late-stage growth is the most “stuck” part of the market.
Companies close to IPO still anchor to old private valuations while public comps trade lower; this makes underwriting returns difficult and has frozen much of the pre-IPO growth segment, even as earlier-stage and PE-style deals still get done.
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IPO markets are cautiously open for disciplined, profitable companies.
Recent IPOs (Instacart, Klaviyo, ARM) show that small-float, fundamentals-driven offerings can get out even in macro volatility; long-term valuation will be driven by execution, not first-day pops, and firms expect more activity by late 2024.
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Profitability now matters almost as much as growth.
Public market multiples are no longer primarily a function of revenue growth; investors increasingly price in free cash flow and path to profitability, shifting the Rule of 40 mix from ‘60–70% growth / big losses’ toward more balanced growth-plus-margin profiles.
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AI is transformational but today’s late-stage AI pricing is overheated.
While all portfolio companies are adopting AI and some earlier infrastructure bets look attractive, the panel believes 2023 AI valuations are ahead of fundamentals and that many investors are paying up in a hype cycle rather than on durable business logic.
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Notable Quotes
“This market is probably closer to reality than 2021 was.”
— Deven Parekh
“Structure never made a good company. Find a good company and pay the right price.”
— Woody Marshall
“Companies don’t run themselves. If you don’t have a motivated team, these companies are really not worth much.”
— Deven Parekh
“You can wake up and decide the glass is half empty or you can decide the glass is half full.”
— Deven Parekh
“The only thing that’s going to determine ultimate valuation is your performance.”
— Woody Marshall
Questions Answered in This Episode
How should founders decide when to proactively reprice options and reset their valuation narratives with employees?
Growth investing is far from dead: underlying company performance remains strong, but deal volume is down sharply as investors and founders work through a valuation reset from 2021 highs.
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Under what specific conditions, if any, do structured terms make sense for both founders and investors?
The panel highlights deep misalignments around valuations, structured terms, and option prices, arguing that honest repricing and employee re‑incentivization are crucial for long‑term health.
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For a 50% growth, breakeven SaaS company with strong NRR, what concrete milestones would make it a compelling IPO candidate vs a PE take-private target?
They see the IPO market as cautiously reopening with small, disciplined offerings where execution and profitability matter more than raw growth, and expect a more normalized environment by late 2024.
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How can growth-stage companies best position themselves for an IPO over the next 12–24 months given today’s emphasis on profitability and predictability?
On AI, they agree it’s a fundamental long‑term shift but view current late‑stage AI valuations as a hype-driven outlier, warranting caution rather than fear of missing out.
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In the AI hype cycle, what signals should founders and investors use to distinguish enduring AI platforms from features that will be commoditized quickly?
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Transcript Preview
You can wake up in the morning and decide the glass is half empty or you can decide the glass is half full. We went over a year without any tech IPO. We went about a year without any kind of meaningfully large strategic MNA. Cisco just bought Splunk. You had three companies go public at real scale, which are real business models. That, to me, is a glass half full.
(instrumental music) Well, I am so excited for this. I think we have some of the best minds around this kind of virtual round table for this. I'm just gonna start off by, one by one, I just wanna do like half a minute of an introduction so everyone gets a scene and actually hears the voices. So Deven, let's start with you. Can you introduce yourself in 30 seconds?
Sure. Uh, Deven Parekh, Managing Director with Insight. Uh, been at Insight since January of 2000. When I joined Insight, the market was rip-roaring, uh, and about four months later, it was no longer rip-roaring. So I've kinda been through the current rodeo before. Insight is a kind of a global investor in software. We do everything from kind of early growth to buyout, um, and, uh, about 70 billion dollars of assets under management. And happy to be here, Harry.
Amazing. Woody, over to you. 30 seconds, hit me.
Yeah, uh, Woody Marshall, um, a general partner at, at, uh, TCV. I joined TCV in the beginning of 2008, so the world was not rip-roaring, uh-
(laughs)
... you know, when I, when I, when I joined. Um, you know, TCV's been around, uh, for almost 29 years. We do two things, growth and, uh, technology, uh, primarily software and consumer and, you know, and fintech. You know, just to give context to, um, if there are lots of different, you know, uh, uh, definitions of growth, about 70% of the, of the businesses that we invest in are at least 50 million of revenues and, you know, about half are profitable. No- n- none... It's not a requirement, it just, that's how it comes out to, you know, you know, in the, uh, when you look at the data. But for us, we're, we're focused on growth assets. There's a bunch of them that just may be profitable because of the, you know, the underlying, um, you know, leverage they have in the business. But that's what we've been doing and that's what I've been doing, you know, for, uh, the better part of, uh, almost 30 years.
And Jason, I think for everyone that loves the round tables, which everyone does, (laughs) they probably know you, but hit us with your 30 seconds anyway.
Sure. Uh, Jason Lemkin, uh, I, I run SaaStr, the largest global community for SaaS founders, and I've been investing, seed investing for about 10 years. I'm pretty excited, I've got three or four after 10 years that I'm hoping will IPO at the end of next year. I've had some billion dollar exits, one with Insight, hopefully one with TCV soon, but I'm, I haven't had an IPO yet, so I'm super excited to learn how great it's gonna be at the back half of next year. And we've got some standing bets around this, by the way.
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