
William Hockey: How I Founded Plaid; The Ultimate Cold Email Tip; Hiring Lessons | 20VC #955
Harry Stebbings (host), William Hockey (guest), Narrator
In this episode of The Twenty Minute VC, featuring Harry Stebbings and William Hockey, William Hockey: How I Founded Plaid; The Ultimate Cold Email Tip; Hiring Lessons | 20VC #955 explores from Plaid To Column: Rewiring Banking Inside The Regulatory Perimeter William Hockey, co-founder of Plaid and founder/CEO of Column, explains his journey from a farm tinkerer to building two major financial infrastructure companies. He contrasts Plaid’s “abstraction around complexity” model with Column’s decision to become a fully regulated bank and rebuild core money movement from the bottom up. The conversation dives into founder psychology (ego, identity, risk, wealth), hiring philosophy, and why he believes true innovation in finance must happen inside the regulatory perimeter. He also outlines a future where vertical software companies and consumer brands become the primary financial interfaces while regulated banks increasingly power them from behind the scenes.
From Plaid To Column: Rewiring Banking Inside The Regulatory Perimeter
William Hockey, co-founder of Plaid and founder/CEO of Column, explains his journey from a farm tinkerer to building two major financial infrastructure companies. He contrasts Plaid’s “abstraction around complexity” model with Column’s decision to become a fully regulated bank and rebuild core money movement from the bottom up. The conversation dives into founder psychology (ego, identity, risk, wealth), hiring philosophy, and why he believes true innovation in finance must happen inside the regulatory perimeter. He also outlines a future where vertical software companies and consumer brands become the primary financial interfaces while regulated banks increasingly power them from behind the scenes.
Key Takeaways
True financial innovation increasingly requires building inside the regulatory perimeter, not around it.
Hockey argues that most fintech has historically been middleware wrapped around legacy banks, which can’t fix systemic issues. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
High performance is the ability to grind quietly for a decade without recognition.
He reframes performance as long-term, low-ego persistence: working in the shadows on boring, complex problems for 10+ years. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
Be excruciatingly patient on critical hires, especially early; pain now beats mediocrity later.
At Plaid and now Column, Hockey was willing to let the business suffer short-term and endure internal pain to wait 12–24 months for true A-level candidates in key roles. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
Founders should consciously separate self-worth from company identity to take bigger risks.
Hockey stepped away from Plaid at its peak to start a smaller, riskier company. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
The “money supply chain” is bloated with intermediaries that can be collapsed.
To move money today, banks rely on a chain of 5–10+ vendors on each side because they aren’t tech companies. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
The US financial system’s core protocols are strong; bank implementations are the problem.
He contends that most complaints (slow wires, COBOL, limited hours) are about bank choices, not Fed capabilities. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
The next decade of fintech will be dominated by vertical software and consumer brands, not traditional banks.
Hockey believes companies that deeply understand a specific audience (e. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen
Notable Quotes
“Being able to be quiet, grinding and building in the shadows, and be okay not being recognized, I think is the highest order of high performance.”
— William Hockey
“What 99.9% of Silicon Valley is doing is building outside the regulatory perimeter. What I realized is you can drive a huge amount of value if you actually jump in, be a regulated bank, and build it from scratch.”
— William Hockey
“Any company of value takes at least 10 plus years to realize. It’s all about how long can you do that, and can you do that in the shadows?”
— William Hockey
“Most companies shouldn’t be 500-person companies. Most companies that are over 1,000 people, you can probably do the same damn thing with 100 people.”
— William Hockey
“Everyone says the US financial system is built on COBOL and is slow. They’re not talking about the Fed; they’re talking about the outdated implementation by legacy banks.”
— William Hockey
Questions Answered in This Episode
How would Column’s model of being both a bank and an API provider change the economics and risk profile for fintech startups compared to today’s sponsor-bank model?
William Hockey, co-founder of Plaid and founder/CEO of Column, explains his journey from a farm tinkerer to building two major financial infrastructure companies. ...
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
What practical steps can a founder take to detach their identity from their company without losing urgency and ambition?
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
In which specific verticals (e.g., healthcare, construction, creator economy) does Hockey expect embedded finance to create the most transformative new “financial brands” over the next decade?
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
What are the biggest regulatory or political risks to the thesis that the US financial system can function like an open, programmable protocol?
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
How should an early-stage founder decide when to trade off speed for hiring quality—are there concrete signals that justify waiting 12–24 months for an A+ candidate?
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
Transcript Preview
Will, I'm so excited for this. I've wanted to do this one for a long time. We've met in London, we've met in LA. Finally, we've made it happen, so thank you so much for joining me today, my friend. (laughs)
Yeah, no, I, I appreciate you having me. It's good to finally, it's good to finally do this.
It is great to finally do this. Now, I wanna start with a little bit of context. We see Plaid, we now have Column. How did you make your way into the world of startups, and what was that aha moment for you with Column most recently?
You know, I probably have a maybe a, a slightly less traditional than a lot of people who maybe start companies, you know? So I, I grew up on a farm out here in Central California, and I grew up building everything. Right? So, you know, welding with my grandpa, building buildings with my dad, always just liked building. I was probably less of like the, uh, the mathlete, the mathlete child genius, kinda more the, uh, more, (laughs) more the tinkerer and the builder. And, and growing up, going to college, started programming. It was kind of the only, I don't know, like socially acceptable way to build things. Um, you know, can't really do construction or welding in college. And so, and so started programming, and realized pretty quickly that I wanted to just do something. And so, started building a bunch of fun side projects with my best friend Zack, um, and we ended up starting Plaid, which is a, a pretty large financial infrastructure company these days, together my senior year in college. Um, and, and kinda throughout that process, you know, we, you know, are, are, are pretty large and get a chance to work with a lot of financial institutions, a lot of kind of fintechs, pretty much anybody building in financial services in the US is some way associated with Plaid. And so I gotta see this market at a very intricate level, and, and I would... and I realized pretty quickly that there's actually this massive market to actually start to build inside the regulatory perimeter. What I was doing and a lot of like, what 99.9% of, of, of Silicon Valley is doing is building outside that regulatory perimeter. What I realized actually is you can drive a huge amount of value if you actually jump in, be a regulated bank, and actually build it from scratch. And so, that's kinda like what we did. I've been wanting to do it for six plus years, but from a financial perspective really only had the resources to do it over the past few.
Can I ask you bluntly, and this is probably-
Yeah. (laughs)
... a very stupid question. Why does everyone do it outside of the regulatory perimeter versus inside? Is it purely a pain of regulation and cost of setup?
Install uListen to search the full transcript and get AI-powered insights
Get Full TranscriptGet more from every podcast
AI summaries, searchable transcripts, and fact-checking. Free forever.
Add to Chrome