
Using Cash Flows and Moats to Evaluate Investments
Andrew Marks (guest), Howard Marks (guest)
In this episode of Acquired, featuring Andrew Marks and Howard Marks, Using Cash Flows and Moats to Evaluate Investments explores discounted cash flows meet fragile moats in a fast-changing world Equity investments are fundamentally worth the discounted value of all future cash flows, requiring explicit judgments about the future for every company.
Discounted cash flows meet fragile moats in a fast-changing world
Equity investments are fundamentally worth the discounted value of all future cash flows, requiring explicit judgments about the future for every company.
Even seemingly “stalwart” businesses with strong moats can be disrupted, and the newspaper industry is used as a cautionary example of perceived impregnable advantages collapsing.
Rapid technological adoption has shortened the practical durability of many business models, making “set-and-forget” management far less viable than in past decades.
Greater uncertainty can argue for more caution in valuing distant cash flows, but the internet and scale advantages also enable exceptional companies to compound value by expanding into adjacent markets and geographies.
The key investor task is balancing price versus intrinsic value while continuously re-evaluating whether management is actively reinforcing and extending the moat.
Key Takeaways
DCF is unavoidable—and it’s always a forecast.
The discussion frames all equities as the present value of cash flows “from here to eternity,” meaning even stable businesses require assumptions that can be wrong if conditions change.
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Moats can look permanent right before they fail.
Newspapers had local monopolies, repeat daily demand, and dominant ad channels, yet within decades many were “fighting for their lives,” illustrating how structural shifts can erase advantages.
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Durability has shortened; passive operation is riskier.
Compared with the mid-20th century, faster adoption and competition mean fewer businesses can remain unchanged for 10 years without active strategy and reinvestment.
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Valuation should reflect disruption risk, not just recent stability.
Ben’s question implies that if uncertainty rises, investors may need to discount distant cash flows more heavily or demand a bigger margin of safety.
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The same forces that disrupt also amplify winners.
Andrew argues it’s a “double-edged sword”: companies that actively leverage moats can enter adjacencies, launch new products, and reach global markets—creating more value than was possible in localized eras.
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Management quality is part of the moat today.
With fewer businesses that “idiots can run,” investors must evaluate whether leaders are continuously evolving and defending the franchise, not merely harvesting it.
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Notable Quotes
“All investments in equities are worth the discounted value of their future cash flows from here to eternity.”
— Andrew Marks
“One of the industries that all the value people thought were impregnable… was the newspapers.”
— Howard Marks
“Twenty years later, most of the companies in that industry are fighting for their lives.”
— Howard Marks
“There are very few businesses that idiots can run these days.”
— Andrew Marks
“But today, everything changes every minute.”
— Howard Marks
Questions Answered in This Episode
In practice, how do you adjust a DCF when you believe a company’s moat might erode faster than the market assumes?
Equity investments are fundamentally worth the discounted value of all future cash flows, requiring explicit judgments about the future for every company.
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What specific signals would have warned an investor early that newspapers’ “impregnable” moat was breaking?
Even seemingly “stalwart” businesses with strong moats can be disrupted, and the newspaper industry is used as a cautionary example of perceived impregnable advantages collapsing.
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When does a moat become less about industry structure and more about management’s ability to keep innovating?
Rapid technological adoption has shortened the practical durability of many business models, making “set-and-forget” management far less viable than in past decades.
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If disruption risk is higher today, should investors systematically shorten forecast horizons or just increase discount rates/margins of safety?
Greater uncertainty can argue for more caution in valuing distant cash flows, but the internet and scale advantages also enable exceptional companies to compound value by expanding into adjacent markets and geographies.
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What are examples of modern companies successfully “mining” their moat to expand into adjacencies without diluting the core advantage?
The key investor task is balancing price versus intrinsic value while continuously re-evaluating whether management is actively reinforcing and extending the moat.
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Transcript Preview
If you're an investor, you have to have a couple of different skills. One is you have to think about the future potential of the company, and the second thing is you have to think about, well, what's that worth versus what is that selling for? And if you come back to the fundamental ideas of the memo, one of them is that all investments in equities are worth the discounted value of their future cash flows from here to eternity. And for some companies, those cash flows are more in the here and now, and for some companies, those cash flows are very far away. But they all go into the formula. And by the way, if you think about the nature of a DCF formula, every company requires judgments about the future. It can be a seemingly stalwart company that has immense consistency and whatever, but, you know, those can, can be disrupted.
Well, I think the greatest example, one of the industries that all the value people thought were impregnable, great moats, you know, was, was the newspapers. Because you had your newspaper, you didn't have to worry about competition from the newspaper in the town next door. You were entrenched. It only cost fifteen cents, so nobody would stop buying it in tough times.
And if you wanted to advertise, you wanted to advertise in the paper with the most circulation.
And the local movies had to be in the local paper, the local want ads, the local car ads. And the great thing was that if the consumer bought it today, guess what? They had to buy it again tomorrow because it had a, a one-day shelf life. What could be a better business? And, you know, twenty years later, m-most of the companies in that industry are fighting for their lives.
If I could just make an observation, you sound like a crazy person when you assert that en masse, very quickly consumer behavior is going to change. If you would have told me when I was reading the paper, and this was the most important thing in America, "Well, newspaper values are mostly gonna go to zero because all of the consumer attention is gonna be shifting to consuming everything on their computers in an interconnected web of servers that doesn't really exist yet. So therefore, the newspapers won't have value." You'd be like, "What?" Or if you came to me ten years ago and said, "Facebook bought Instagram, and they're demonstrating their ability to constantly keep all the consumer attention. But eventually, actually, this Chinese company is gonna start, and it's gonna be short form v-- yeah, Facebook won't figure it out this time. And so all the consumer attention's gonna shift." And, and I'd just be like, "You're wrong. I just don't believe you."
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, that's of course true, but I think the other thing that's really interesting to note is, is, and there are these very widely circulated charts of the, the speeding up of technological adoption. And so it was very possible for companies to be much, much, much more durable, um, back then than it, than it is today, in, in my opinion. I mean, if you transport yourself back to nineteen fifty and you think about, well, how many businesses are there where, where I think I can say with high conviction that they'll be the same in ten years as they are today? I think that number would probably be much, much higher than you could say today. Without understanding what management is doing to further entrench their moats or, or fend off competition or continuously evolve or whatever, it's very, very hard to say, well, with, with no minding of the ship, this business will just stay consistent. There are very few businesses that idiots can run these days.
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