How Trump Is “Workshopping” His Iran War Plan | Pivot

He really doesn't seem to have a plan, and he's the president, right?

He'll call you and ask you for your plan in about half an hour. [chuckles]

He's going to. [upbeat music] Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.

And I'm Scott Galloway.

So I just flew in from San Francisco, and boy, are my arms tired.

I've heard that joke before.

[chuckles] I know. I, I don't know why I keep doing the, the night flights things. I just keep... I think I'm getting too old for it. Um, but I had... As you can hear, everybody, I have a cold, and I actually was there to interview Gavin Newsom, uh, for his book, uh, Young Man in a Hurry, uh, which is now, I guess, Old Man in a Hurry. Um, and, uh, and so I, I went in to do that, and it was actually a fantastic interview. We'll talk about it.

Yeah, it's got a lot of news.

Yeah, I did. I made a lot. I'm a newsmaker, my friend. I make you-

And I-- Just, just to be clear, to give you insight into our relationship.

What?

He-- There was a... Someone put out a thing saying that he was in support of-- he changed his tone or he's in support of regime change, and I wrote "smart," and you berated me.

[laughs] I did.

So why don't you give us what-

Not publicly. We're gonna talk about it. We're gonna... We're... Let's, let's-

Oh, yeah?

We-we'll get into it.

Okay.

I didn't berate you. It just was inaccurately depicting the interview I had just done. But-

Because I wrote, because I wrote the word smart?

No, because you were tweeting an inaccurate report. That's all. That-

What was the... Who, who put out the inaccurate report?

[chuckles] I don't know. It just was weird. It was weird because it was so not what he said. Um, and so it just annoys me. It just annoys me. I mean, I definitely def-definitely made a lot of news in that interview. Um, by the way, we talked, we talked a lot a-about his book, which was interesting. Um, we'll get to the w-

But he's definitely not running for president because no president-

Oh, he-

... ever puts out a book before they run for president.

[chuckles] I know. Well, no, he kept saying that he wasn't sure. It was really funny. And then right afterwards-

Oh.

Um, it's actually... I like the book. It's gotten some bad reviews, but I think they've just decided who he is and are b- are reviewing it based on sort of that unctuous, toady, slick image versus a lot of stuff that he's done that's brave. He's a very complex person like yourself, Scott Galloway.

I've heard it's, I've heard it's actually pretty authentic.

I, I thought it was great, and it was a lot about stuff. Um, it was... There was... It was... Let me just characterize this discussion. The book I really like, I have to say, and I think I found out a lot of things about him that I didn't know. His, um, about his mother. Uh, I, I knew a little bit about his mother's assisted suicide, but it was really, uh, um, really interesting to talk about, a lot about his own struggles. And not... It wasn't the dyslexia part. Uh, we didn't talk a lot about that, but a, a lot, uh, about... I didn't know his wife had had a miscarriage, for example. Um, they have... He has four kids. He almost had five. Um, it, it was a... There's a lot in there. There was a lot in there. And one of the things that struck me, which brings me back to you, which I know how you like that-