
Kara Swisher Says New AI Executive Order Is “Idiotic” | Pivot
Scott Galloway (host), Kara Swisher (host), Guest (guest), Narrator
In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, Kara Swisher Says New AI Executive Order Is “Idiotic” | Pivot explores kara Swisher Blasts Trump’s ‘Idiotic’ AI Order, Media and Guns Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway open with the weekend’s mass shootings at Brown University and Sydney’s Bondi Beach, linking them to broader trends in gun access, radicalization, and rising antisemitism, while contrasting U.S. inaction with Australia’s likely policy response.
Kara Swisher Blasts Trump’s ‘Idiotic’ AI Order, Media and Guns
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway open with the weekend’s mass shootings at Brown University and Sydney’s Bondi Beach, linking them to broader trends in gun access, radicalization, and rising antisemitism, while contrasting U.S. inaction with Australia’s likely policy response.
They discuss the murder of Rob Reiner and Trump’s inflammatory reaction, using it to highlight the normalization of cruelty and illiberalism, and then pivot into AI: OpenAI’s ‘Code Red’ posture, Disney’s partnership with OpenAI, and Oracle’s risky AI bet tied to its OpenAI deal.
The conversation turns sharply political with Trump’s new AI executive order, which they describe as an anti-regulation power grab designed to pre-empt state-level AI rules, calling it legally dubious, idiotic, and a pure play for big tech interests.
Closing segments cover media consolidation (Paramount–Warner–Netflix–Disney–Apple chess), a stinging critique of CBS/Face the Nation’s Mifepristone framing, and personal reflections on friendship, mortality, and the importance of having people to love and advocate for you.
Key Takeaways
Gun violence frequency is a policy choice, and the U.S. keeps choosing inaction.
Australia’s first mass shooting in 27 years versus America’s 1. ...
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Antisemitism today is framed less as dislike and more as conspiracy, which legitimizes violence.
Galloway distinguishes typical prejudice (“I don’t like your customs”) from antisemitism as a belief in a Jewish conspiracy to oppress others, arguing that chants like “Globalize the Intifada” and normalized hate speech create “cloud cover” for violent actors.
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Physical infrastructure (‘atoms’) creates more durable business moats than pure software (‘bits’).
Comparing SpaceX and OpenAI, Galloway notes SpaceX grows slower yet is more valuable because no one can quickly replicate its rockets and launch capacity, while OpenAI’s digital products are easier to disrupt—an “atoms are more defensible than bits” thesis.
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Content owners should treat AI firms as bidders, not saviors, to avoid value leakage.
Disney’s OpenAI deal is portrayed as a pragmatic move to learn and retain leverage—provided the term is short and non-exclusive—so that Disney can later play OpenAI, Google, Meta, and others against each other rather than let a single AI platform capture the value of its IP.
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Oracle’s massive AI spend highlights how fragile the current AI investment boom may be.
Oracle’s stock drop, huge CapEx, and loosely defined $300B OpenAI ‘framework’ deal are seen as more PR than firm commitment, illustrating how quickly investor sentiment can swing against infrastructure-heavy AI bets that may not be fully contracted or sustainable.
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Trump’s AI order is less about coherent regulation and more about blocking any regulation.
Swisher calls the executive order “idiotic,” arguing it weaponizes federal power to pre-empt stricter state AI laws under the guise of ‘dominance,’ even though Congress has not set any baseline federal AI rules; she expects courts to block it and labels it a big-tech subsidy.
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Media framing can subtly launder extremist talking points into the mainstream.
Galloway slams CBS’s Face the Nation for a question implying Mifepristone’s safety is in doubt, calling it a repackaged far-right narrative that undermines an FDA-approved, evidence-backed drug and women’s bodily autonomy under the guise of neutral concern.
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Notable Quotes
“We live in a country with a passive majority weaponized by well-funded special interest groups.”
— Scott Galloway
“Atoms are more defensible than bits.”
— Scott Galloway
“They don’t want to pass federal laws that would make sense. They just want to stop all regulation.”
— Kara Swisher (on Trump’s AI executive order)
“This is the mandatory federal regulation they’ll have. DICK. They won’t have anything.”
— Scott Galloway (on the administration’s AI posture)
“The happiest people aren’t the ones who are loved the most, it’s the ones who have the most people to love.”
— Scott Galloway
Questions Answered in This Episode
How should democratic societies balance fostering AI innovation with the need for meaningful regulation at both state and federal levels?
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway open with the weekend’s mass shootings at Brown University and Sydney’s Bondi Beach, linking them to broader trends in gun access, radicalization, and rising antisemitism, while contrasting U. ...
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To what extent do campus rhetoric and social media amplification genuinely contribute to real-world violence or merely reflect long-standing prejudices?
They discuss the murder of Rob Reiner and Trump’s inflammatory reaction, using it to highlight the normalization of cruelty and illiberalism, and then pivot into AI: OpenAI’s ‘Code Red’ posture, Disney’s partnership with OpenAI, and Oracle’s risky AI bet tied to its OpenAI deal.
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Given the ‘atoms vs bits’ argument, how should investors and policymakers think about the long-term resilience of digital-first AI firms compared with infrastructure-heavy companies like SpaceX or Disney’s parks?
The conversation turns sharply political with Trump’s new AI executive order, which they describe as an anti-regulation power grab designed to pre-empt state-level AI rules, calling it legally dubious, idiotic, and a pure play for big tech interests.
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What is the most constructive way for legacy media companies to engage with AI platforms without repeating the mistakes they made with early YouTube and social media?
Closing segments cover media consolidation (Paramount–Warner–Netflix–Disney–Apple chess), a stinging critique of CBS/Face the Nation’s Mifepristone framing, and personal reflections on friendship, mortality, and the importance of having people to love and advocate for you.
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Where is the line between legitimate journalistic questioning and inadvertently amplifying extremist narratives, and how should newsrooms police that boundary in coverage of abortion, AI, and other polarized issues?
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This is the mandatory federal regulation they'll have, dick. They won't have anything.
(instrumental music) Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.
And I'm Scott Galloway.
How you doing, Scott?
I'm doing great. Thanks, Kara.
Weird weekend of-
Yeah.
... shootings and killings-
It's, it's upsetting every time.
... and pretty horrible stuff. We usually banter here, but I think we, we, um, should just get right to it, don't you think?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, so we wanna briefly acknowledge the horrific events of gun violence over the weekend. Uh, on Saturday, two people were killed and nine were injured at a shooting at Brown University. And on Sunday, at least 15 people were killed in a shooting at a Hanukkah celebration in Bondi Beach in Australia. Um, uh, eh, the authorities are still looking for the Brown shooter. They had a person of interest who they let go, which was, see, it probably disturbed people around that uni- university campus. The Bondi Beach shooters have been identified as a father and a son, what a terrible parent and bystander, and a bystander whose refugee parents had just arrived from Syria, wrestled a gun from one of the alleged attackers during the Bondi Beach shooting. As if that violence weren't enough, director and actor Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle were found dead in their LA home on Sunday, uh, eh, supposedly by hi- uh, apparently, according to, uh, lots of reports this, her, their son, their youngest son is being held up in the, um, in this, what looks like a murder. Donald Trump, of course, had to weigh in on this tragedy, posting on Truth Social a little while ago, "Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star has passed away together with his wife, Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, incurable afflictions with the mind-crippling disease known as Trump derangement sy- uh, sy- uh, syndrome." Uh, I can't believe he wrote this but, once again, of course I can. Um, so he said, "The raging obsession, uh, has, have driven people crazy and obvious paranoia is raising, ri- rise- reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and expectations with greatness," and then he said they should rest in peace. He's a terrible, terrible son of a bitch. Anyway, um-
Yeah, I just can't wait for the right to be as inflamed by the notion-
Yes.
... that anyone was dancing on Charlie Kirk's grave.
Yeah.
Uh, but this, this will, like, you know, this will just be Donald being Donald, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Uh, they won't, they won't-
I mean, it just-
... they won't-
... what a heinous piece of shit. Um, let's start with the shootings. Um, just for, personally, Amanda went to Brown, um, and, uh, it's, uh, knows the area very well. "It's a very open campus," she was telling me, and, uh, you know, it's sort of such a, uh, you know, very peaceful. I've been there a number of times with her, uh, in the area where it was taking place. Um, nobody knows why this particular... Well, 'cause people have guns, but, uh, why, the reasons, reasoning behind. The one in Bondi Beach was, uh, horrific, um, except for that one bystander who, who was just, uh, we- the, the video of it was astonishing that they-
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