
What Donald Trump's Victory Means for Elon Musk and Big Tech | Pivot
Kara Swisher (host), Scott Galloway (host)
In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, What Donald Trump's Victory Means for Elon Musk and Big Tech | Pivot explores trump’s Win Reshapes Power for Musk, Thiel, Bezos, and Big Tech Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect how Donald Trump’s victory is being received by major tech leaders and what it means for their power and profits. They contrast the cautious, formulaic congratulations from most CEOs with Jeff Bezos’s unusually effusive praise, raising conflicts with his ownership of The Washington Post. The conversation spotlights Peter Thiel as the quiet but pivotal power broker behind J.D. Vance and key political infrastructure, and details Elon Musk’s huge financial upside and expected policy gains from backing Trump. They also explore prediction markets, speculative trading around Trump Media, and why a future clash between Trump and Musk is likely.
Trump’s Win Reshapes Power for Musk, Thiel, Bezos, and Big Tech
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect how Donald Trump’s victory is being received by major tech leaders and what it means for their power and profits. They contrast the cautious, formulaic congratulations from most CEOs with Jeff Bezos’s unusually effusive praise, raising conflicts with his ownership of The Washington Post. The conversation spotlights Peter Thiel as the quiet but pivotal power broker behind J.D. Vance and key political infrastructure, and details Elon Musk’s huge financial upside and expected policy gains from backing Trump. They also explore prediction markets, speculative trading around Trump Media, and why a future clash between Trump and Musk is likely.
Key Takeaways
Tech CEOs are flattering Trump primarily to protect shareholder value.
Swisher and Galloway argue that public congratulations from leaders like Zuckerberg, Cook, Pichai, and Altman are calculated moves to stay out of Trump’s crosshairs, minimize regulatory risk, and secure favorable treatment, even if they are personally distasteful.
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Jeff Bezos’s statement stands out as unusually effusive and conflicted.
Unlike other CEOs’ neutral messages, Bezos called Trump’s win an “extraordinary political comeback,” which Swisher criticizes as “kiss-assy” and inconsistent with owning a major newsroom that should hold power to account.
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Peter Thiel is framed as the key architect behind the new power structure.
They portray Thiel as the quiet mastermind whose backing was crucial for J. ...
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Elon Musk’s political spending on Trump has already paid off enormously.
Musk’s roughly $119–130 million in donations is described as one of the best trades of 2024, with Tesla’s post-election surge adding around $15–26 billion to his net worth, alongside likely future benefits in EV, autonomous driving, and SpaceX contracts.
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Trump Media illustrates how political events can distort and then deflate valuations.
Galloway walks through his collared call options strategy on Trump Media, noting that the stock initially spiked on Trump’s win but then slid as the market refocused on its weak fundamentals—no real revenues and heavy losses.
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Prediction markets are becoming embedded in the political-tech-finance nexus.
Polymarket, backed in part by Peter Thiel, is used as an example of how betting platforms turn elections into tradable events, while also being constrained by regulatory limits that blocked Galloway, a U. ...
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A future Trump–Musk falling out is likely due to competing egos and attention needs.
Swisher predicts that Trump and Musk cannot share the spotlight for long, likening them to incompatible forces that “blow up” when in the same room, citing Steve Bannon’s ejection once he drew too much perceived credit and attention.
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Notable Quotes
““Jeff Bezos was one of the first to kiss the ring, calling Trump's win an extraordinary political comeback and decisive victory.””
— Kara Swisher
““Jeff Bezos is all about money. The Washington Post is nothing but a nuisance for him right now.””
— Scott Galloway
““All roads lead to Peter Thiel in this regard… every one of his tenets is here, is present here.””
— Kara Swisher
““With Trump's age and body mass index, there's about a one in three chance he leaves the White House feet first.””
— Scott Galloway
““Best investment of the year was Musk’s $119 million investment in the Trump campaign… 15 billion on 119 million? That's the best trade of 2024.””
— Scott Galloway
Questions Answered in This Episode
How should media owners like Jeff Bezos balance business interests with the editorial independence and integrity of their news organizations under a Trump administration?
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect how Donald Trump’s victory is being received by major tech leaders and what it means for their power and profits. ...
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If J.D. Vance is as indebted to Peter Thiel as described, what safeguards—if any—exist to prevent disproportionate influence over national policy by a single financier?
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At what point does strategic flattery of political leaders by CEOs cross the line from fiduciary duty into enabling authoritarian tendencies or undermining democratic norms?
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What are the long-term implications of billionaires like Elon Musk realizing outsized financial returns from political bets—does this deepen a perception that democracy is a market to be traded?
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If Swisher’s prediction of a Trump–Musk falling out comes true, how might that conflict reshape tech policy, social media ecosystems, and public discourse in the U.S.?
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Big tech leaders are taking to social media, of course, to congratulate Donald Trump. This is- this is typical. Let's just start off with that. Mark Zuckerberg, Tim Cook, Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, and Sam Altman wished Trump well. I thought they were pretty anodyne. So did, um, Mark Cuban. He was like, "Godspeed." You know what I mean? He was like, "You won fair and square," which I thought was fair. I thought that was classy of him to do so. He didn't, like, slavishly say something. The person who did, Jeff Bezos, was, uh, quite different from the others. Um, he was one of the first to kiss the ring, calling Trump's win an extraordinary political comeback and decisive victory. It- it had, uh, uh, i- i- it did not have a tone of someone who owns The Washington Post. He's the only one who actually has another thing he's gotta think about, which he didn't at all, in any way, so I thought that was problematic. And it was much more effusive than the others. Um, you know, they all wanna work with this administration. They've done it before. Um, they don't wanna be in his crosshairs and they'd like to get rid of, uh, all the different investigations and- and things like that. Although, a lot of Republicans like these investigations very much. And so that's a really interesting, uh, pushback. Um, talk a little bit about these, uh, CEOs, obviously. You s- more than- more than anyone, tech CEOs weighed in.
They're smart to do it, Kara. He responds to this type of obsequious flattery. And if they're- they're- they're focused on their shareholders, they're smart to do it. And it's- it- you kinda have to- you throw up a little bit in your mouth when- when it's more than anything just- than just a polite congratulations. But if you reverse engineer it to shareholder value, they're smart to do it, just like a lot of foreign leaders pretend that he's really interesting and are- and that they're fascinated with him. And he's gonna get more- he's gonna get more... Uh, you know, when- when you're courting someone and they tell you that they're really into jewelry or baseball trading cards and that they will like you if you buy them these things, you buy them these things. And he's made it clear that if you say nice things about him, it works. Uh, I don't... So I think they're smart to do it.
Yeah, I agree, but I thought Bezos' was a little bit abusive. Compare... If you could put them next to each other, it's really quite a different tone. And he does also own The Washington Post. He might've been a little less-
It's around-
... ass as yet.
Yeah, it's all about money. It- it- The Washington Post is nothing but-
I understand that, but he, he-
... nothing but a nuisance for him right now.
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