
How the Murdoch Family Feud Is Like "Succession" | Pivot
Kara Swisher (host), Scott Galloway (host)
In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, How the Murdoch Family Feud Is Like "Succession" | Pivot explores murdoch Family Trust War Exposes Dynastic Power, Politics, And Failure Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect the Murdoch family’s legal battle over Rupert Murdoch’s attempt to change an “irrevocable” family trust to give sole control to his eldest son, Lachlan. They debate Lachlan’s performance as CEO and Fox/News Corp’s outsized political influence compared to its market value, including its role in shaping Republican politics. The conversation then widens into a critique of dynastic wealth, trusts, and U.S. tax policy that enables family empires with significant political power. Both hosts frame the saga as a real-life version of “Succession,” arguing it represents not just governance dysfunction, but also personal failure in family relationships.
Murdoch Family Trust War Exposes Dynastic Power, Politics, And Failure
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect the Murdoch family’s legal battle over Rupert Murdoch’s attempt to change an “irrevocable” family trust to give sole control to his eldest son, Lachlan. They debate Lachlan’s performance as CEO and Fox/News Corp’s outsized political influence compared to its market value, including its role in shaping Republican politics. The conversation then widens into a critique of dynastic wealth, trusts, and U.S. tax policy that enables family empires with significant political power. Both hosts frame the saga as a real-life version of “Succession,” arguing it represents not just governance dysfunction, but also personal failure in family relationships.
Key Takeaways
Changing an irrevocable trust is legally fraught and destabilizing.
Murdoch’s move to alter a decades-old irrevocable trust to concentrate control in Lachlan opens him to legal challenges from his other children and underscores how tampering with foundational governance documents can trigger intense conflict.
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Media dynasties can wield disproportionate political power relative to market size.
Despite a market cap around $33 billion, Fox/News Corp is portrayed as one of the most influential firms in the world, potentially shaping Republican presidential nominations and broader political discourse.
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Leadership performance can’t be judged on financials alone in controversial companies.
Galloway defends Lachlan on business metrics while Swisher argues that massive legal liabilities, scandals, and payouts reflect failed leadership, highlighting a divide between narrow shareholder value and broader governance/ethical performance.
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Dynastic wealth often harms family cohesion and civic equity.
The hosts argue that large, tax-advantaged family dynasties tend to fracture families, fuel bitter succession fights, and deprive the public of tax revenue, questioning whether such dynasties benefit anyone in the long run.
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Tax policy that enables very large inheritances should be reconsidered.
Galloway advocates for sharply higher taxes on very high incomes and large trusts, contending that giving children more than roughly $10–20 million neither increases their happiness nor serves the common good.
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Personal legacy is measured by relationships, not just power or influence.
Galloway contrasts Murdoch’s estranged children and no-shows at his wedding with his own aspiration simply to spend time with his sons and have them remain close, implying that a fractured family signals ultimate failure despite worldly success.
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Attempting to exert control “from beyond the grave” often backfires.
Swisher frames Murdoch’s effort to lock in control after his death as a stubborn, ego-driven move that is currently destroying what remains of his family relationships and may still be undone in court or by time.
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Notable Quotes
“This old, crusty old Dracula is trying to live beyond the grave.”
— Kara Swisher
“There are few for‑profit companies that have a greater impact relative to their market capitalization.”
— Scott Galloway
“When he's getting married, three of his four kids didn't show up, which in my view means you have failed.”
— Scott Galloway
“Dynasties, as far as I can tell, don't do anyone any good.”
— Scott Galloway
“No matter what you do, Rupert Murdoch, you're gonna die, and you don't get to decide things after you're dead.”
— Kara Swisher
Questions Answered in This Episode
How should media companies with disproportionate political influence be governed to avoid dynastic capture?
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect the Murdoch family’s legal battle over Rupert Murdoch’s attempt to change an “irrevocable” family trust to give sole control to his eldest son, Lachlan. ...
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At what point does inheritance size stop improving children’s lives and start harming them or society?
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Is it ever ethically justifiable for a patriarch to override an equal-split succession plan late in life?
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How can legal structures like trusts be designed to protect both family cohesion and public interest?
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What personal metrics—beyond wealth and influence—should leaders use to judge whether their life has been a success?
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Transcript Preview
This is an interesting story. Did you see this? Murdoch family and a court battle over who will leave-
Wild.
... News Corp and Fox.
It's wild.
Or, according to-
What do you think of this?
Oh, I know a lot about it. Th- Let me just go through it for people. Currently, the family trust gives each of Rupert Murdoch's children, four children, equal votes. He has two others, but they have ownership, but not votes. Uh, he wants to change that. He made this when he divorced from his wife Anna, um, to, she, this, she insisted on this. Um, Rupert has filed a petition to amend the trust, it's, it's an irrevocable trust, but that's what he's done to give exclusive control to his oldest son, Lachlan. As reasoning, he cites political differences with his other children that could impact editorial stance of his companies. Uh, three other children have responded with a legal challenge. The trial is expected to begin S- September. It's, it's in Nevada where this is, so it's one person who deals with trusts and estates. Um, you know, there's one tiny little out that he's saying he's doing it for the benefit of these people and he's doing it for political reasons. That's not the benefit of shareholders or anything else that L- Lachlan, who's presided over disaster after disaster at the company, including the lawsuits and behaviors and payoffs and everything else. I mean, Lachlan has been a terrible CEO in that regard. Um, I don't think this helps shareholders. Um, I've, uh, you know, what's interesting, I have a little knowledge of these k- these people. Um, they were not together, James, um, uh, Liz, and I think it's Prudence. They were not aligned at all. Liz moved back and forth like Shiv on Succession. You know, she was, she's very much wanting her dad and her to get along. Um, so this united them, which was, of course, another stupid thing Lachlan does 'cause he's as dumb as a box of hammers. Um, so it's really interesting. Um, uh, you know, this is a family that has huge impact on our society, and he's trying to live beyond the grave. This old, crusty old, uh, Dracula is trying to live beyond the grave. What do you think?
Uh, there are few companies I c- I have difficult time thinking of a for-profit company who-
Mm-hmm.
... um, has a greater impact relative to its market capitalization. I mean, I think the market cap of... (sighs) I forget what the market cap is, but it's essentially, you know, it- it- y- you have... Oh, it's $33 billion, which is, um, you know, Warner's 20, which is unfair 'cause it has 40 billion in debt, so it's 60 billion in enterprise value. But it's $33 billion, which is, you know, big, but this is arguably... I mean, you could make a no- you could definitely make an argument this is one of the five or 10 most influential companies in the world, and a lot of people think that this company literally picks the Republican nominee, uh, for president and has a huge influence. And Fox's viewership is really strong. I mean, he's, actually, I don't think it's fair to, to say Lachlan's done a terrible job. I, I think the Dominion case was obviously a huge stubbed toe, but I think that's more about the fact that... Well, anyways, uh, y- I think y- I think it's unfair to say he's mone- done a bad job. What I took from this entire story-
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