Paramount Beats Netflix in Battle for Warner Bros. | Pivot
Scott Galloway (host), Kara Swisher (host), Bill Cohan (guest)
In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, Paramount Beats Netflix in Battle for Warner Bros. | Pivot explores paramount tops Netflix for WBD, amid AI fears and Epstein fallout The episode opens with an update on Scott Galloway’s “Resist and Unsubscribe” campaign and an announcement of a live Pivot show in Minneapolis benefiting the Minneapolis Immigration Center.
Paramount tops Netflix for WBD, amid AI fears and Epstein fallout
The episode opens with an update on Scott Galloway’s “Resist and Unsubscribe” campaign and an announcement of a live Pivot show in Minneapolis benefiting the Minneapolis Immigration Center.
They react to the State of the Union, arguing it was long, light on substance, and politically performative, while suggesting Democrats modernize their rebuttal production values.
In a breaking-news segment, Kara interviews Bill Cohan about Paramount outbidding Netflix for Warner Bros. Discovery, framing it as existential for Paramount, masterful dealmaking by Zaslav, and disciplined walk-away strategy by Netflix.
The back half turns to Nvidia’s blowout results, a viral AI “doom loop” memo spooking markets and private credit, Anthropic resisting Pentagon demands while softening its safety stance, and a sharp disagreement on how Epstein files should be handled versus what accountability requires.
Key Takeaways
“Resist and Unsubscribe” is turning into an ongoing movement, not a one-month stunt.
Galloway says momentum is cumulative and hard to “shut down,” while Swisher urges hiring dedicated operational help to keep the effort sustained and structured beyond February.
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Pivot’s Minneapolis live show is positioned as both solidarity and tangible action.
They frame the March 8 event as bringing attention and economic activity to Minneapolis, with proceeds going to the Minneapolis Immigration Center—an effort to move from online outrage to real-world support.
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Their SOTU critique centers on spectacle, intimidation vibes, and lack of forward agenda.
They describe Republicans’ applause as coerced performance, highlight Trump’s tone becoming meaner over time, and argue the speech lacked substantive policy—especially on forward-looking areas like AI.
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Paramount’s win is less about “deal synergy” and more about existential necessity.
Cohan argues Paramount had to overpay because staying small would be strategically fatal; Netflix could treat WBD as optional, making it easier to walk away when pricing turned “nosebleed.”
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Zaslav is portrayed as the episode’s standout operator.
They credit him with running an unusually strong auction process that transformed WBD’s valuation (from ~$7–$10/share lows to $31/share), extracting concessions and maximizing shareholder outcome.
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The WBD purchase loads Paramount with heavy leverage and execution risk.
Cohan notes the capital structure could involve ~70B+ debt, requiring major cuts and fast deleveraging—classic buyer optimism that may or may not materialize, leaving room for future asset sell-offs or re-bids.
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Nvidia’s numbers challenge the ‘AI is slowing’ narrative—yet the stock’s valuation remains tame.
Galloway cites accelerating growth on massive scale (data center revenue up ~75% YoY, gross margins ~75%) while trading around ~24x forward earnings, implying markets are conflicted about durability of AI capex demand.
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The viral AI memo mattered because it gave investors a coherent ‘left-tail’ story.
They describe it as compelling scenario-writing that popularized ideas like a rapid white-collar layoff loop and “ghost GDP,” spooking SaaS, gig-economy names, and private credit holders exposed to software portfolios.
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Private credit fears may create mispriced opportunities—but sentiment is driving volatility.
They connect Blue Owl’s liquidity/redemption headlines to broader sector sell-offs (Apollo/Ares/Blackstone), and Galloway later predicts a rebound thesis based on fee growth and multiple compression rather than deteriorating fundamentals.
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Anthropic’s Pentagon standoff spotlights a core tension: values vs contracts in a politicized environment.
They defend Anthropic’s right to refuse “unfettered” access, while also noting Anthropic is simultaneously relaxing a safety pledge under competitive pressure—illustrating how safety commitments can erode in an arms race.
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On Epstein, they disagree on transparency vs process—but converge on one point: pursue perpetrators.
Swisher argues releases are forced by institutional capture and necessary for accountability; Galloway warns of ‘weapons of mass distraction’ and collateral harm, advocating structured investigation (e. ...
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Notable Quotes
“You sound smarter when you catastrophize… you’re talking about the zombie apocalypse in a downward spiral doom loop.”
— Scott Galloway
“Paramount, this is existential.”
— Bill Cohan
“Kudos to David Zaslav for running one of the best M&A processes I’ve seen in a long time.”
— Bill Cohan
“Sometimes the smartest thing you can do in a deal… is to walk away.”
— Bill Cohan
“Threats do not change our position… cannot in good conscience accede to the request.”
— Dario Amodei (quoted by Kara Swisher)
Questions Answered in This Episode
What specific operational steps (staffing, target list, monthly themes) would make “Resist and Unsubscribe” sustainable past March without turning into performative activism?
The episode opens with an update on Scott Galloway’s “Resist and Unsubscribe” campaign and an announcement of a live Pivot show in Minneapolis benefiting the Minneapolis Immigration Center.
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On the WBD deal: what are the 3–5 biggest integration ‘landmines’ (CBS/CNN overlap, streaming strategy, sports rights, talent output) that could cause the Paramount thesis to fail?
They react to the State of the Union, arguing it was long, light on substance, and politically performative, while suggesting Democrats modernize their rebuttal production values.
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How realistic is the capital structure Cohan describes—70B+ debt—given current rates and refinancing windows, and what assets would likely be sold first if deleveraging stalls?
In a breaking-news segment, Kara interviews Bill Cohan about Paramount outbidding Netflix for Warner Bros. ...
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Netflix walks with a $2.8B breakup fee—what are the highest-ROI uses of that capital: content licensing, studio buildout, sports, or selective acquisitions (e.g., AMC/NBCU pieces)?
The back half turns to Nvidia’s blowout results, a viral AI “doom loop” memo spooking markets and private credit, Anthropic resisting Pentagon demands while softening its safety stance, and a sharp disagreement on how Epstein files should be handled versus what accountability requires.
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Nvidia’s growth is accelerating at scale—what signal would convince you the AI capex cycle is actually peaking (hyperscaler guidance, utilization rates, pricing pressure, or model efficiency gains)?
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Transcript Preview
You sound smarter when you catastrophize. It sounds scarier and more interesting, and you put some bar charts around, you're talking about the zombie apocalypse in a downward spiral doom loop. [upbeat music]
Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.
And I'm Scott Galloway.
Why don't you give us an update? Because February is coming to an end. You've had over twenty million views across social media and over one point five million cites. This obviously has a lot of momentum. People mention it to me all the time. Your website touts two hundred and forty-two million dollar loss in market cap. Talk a little bit about how it's gone, because we have something to announce, but first, give me a little update, and then you can do the big announcement.
Yeah, uh, it, it-- look, um, uh, the, the honest truth is I'm struggling-
Mm
... because it's taken a lot of time and a lot of effort, and it feels as if it's, the momentum is actually cumulative and building.
Mm.
And I've had a lot of different kind of smaller, I don't know, resistance programs reach out and say: What are we gonna do in March? Should March be, should it be Meta March, where we focus on one company or-
Oh
... focus on OpenAI? Should it-
[chuckles] Got it.
Right. So, uh, and how do we keep it going?
Yeah.
Because it does feel like it's, it's building momentum, and to just shut it down at the end of the month feels like a loss of effort-
Yeah
... and momentum. So-
Yeah
... I'm, quite frankly, Kara, and-
Mm
... I want your advice.
Mm-hmm.
I'm trying to figure out what to do with it going into March.
Well, as I said, uh, first of all, let me, uh, well, uh, before I say what we're gonna do to, in March, um, is, uh, I think you should hire someone t- specifically, de- not part of your team, but really-
Yeah, dedicated, yeah
... uh, hire someone to really keep it going. And-
Someone who wears Birkenstocks-
Yes
... lives in Brooklyn.
A lesbian, uh-
Someone with rich parents, putting them s-
Yes
... putting them through nonprofit.
Whatever it takes, Scott.
Yeah.
Whatever it takes. [chuckles]
Yeah.
But I think it's important to, to have someone, a- and-
Do you drive a Subaru?
No. [chuckles]
I'm sorry, go ahead.
That's my son does. Um, so my-
Your son would be great at this.
He would be.
What's Louis doing?
He's in San Francisco, working for us.
Oh, perfect!
No. [chuckles] You know, no. He is a lesbian.
Perfect. I don't know if you've heard, but I pay really well.
I know. Well, I'll ask him.
Yeah, people have a lot of dick jokes-
He does have a job
... but I compensate fifty to a hundred percent above market.
He does have a job.
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