Alex Pretti Shooting: "This is a Turning Point" | Pivot

[upbeat music] Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.

And I'm Scott Galloway.

Uh, this is an emergency pod. We do these from time to time with news, especially if it's breaking, and obviously, what's happened over the weekend in Minnesota has been heinous in many ways, uh, in all ways, actually. Um, so we had to jump on here to talk about the situation. Tensions are exploding in reaction to federal agents shooting and killing thirty-seven-year-old ICU nurse, Alex, uh, Pretti, in Minneapolis on Saturday. This is the second fatal shooting by federal agents this month, with Governor Tim Walz calling for Trump to halt ICE operations in the state. Meanwhile, Trump administration, uh... the Trump administration is trying to cast blame on the victim and local Democratic lawmakers. Border Control Command, Gregory Bovino, appeared on CNN's State of the Union with Dana Bash earlier, and here's what that tiny, horrible man had to say.

All of the video that we have seen shows him documenting it with his cell phone, which is a lawful thing to do, and the only time he seemed to interact with law enforcement is when they went after him, when he was trying to help an individual who law enforcement pushed down. So where do you have the evidence to show that he was trying to impede that, uh, that law enforcement operation?

Sure, Dana. First, he was there in the scene. He was in the scene actively impeding and assaulting law enforcement to the point-

But that's not illegal.

Here's a-

He wasn't, he wasn't-

Dana-

... impeding it. He was filming it, which is a legal thing to do in the United States of America.

Uh, Dana, let's, let's don't freeze frame adjudicate this now.

Let's freeze frame adjudicate it. Everyone saw it from a hundred different angles. There was video everywhere, and, uh, this small, little Himmler wannabe doesn't seem to understand that. Attorney General Pam Bondi gave Tim Walz three conditions to, quote, "Restore the rule of law." She wants him to hand over the info about the state's welfare programs, grant access to state voter rolls, and repeal sanctuary policies. Let's focus on the middle one, which we will. They want these voter rolls, uh, because of the midterm elections. Let's talk about the Democratic response. Democrats are obviously in an uproar, and AOC and others calling for Senate Democrats to block ICE spending this week. Democrats would have to shut down a large portion of the government in order to do that. They seem willing to do so. Representative Robin Kelly of Illinois is asking colleagues to sign, uh, onto her articles of impeachment against DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. Meanwhile, Megyn Kelly appeared to agree that ICE should get out of Minnesota, but she was just being awful. She tweeted: @realDonaldTrump should pull ICE out of Minnesota today and announced there will be no more immigration enforcement in Minnesota at all. All illegals in the US are encouraged to move there. If any illegal is found outside of Minnesota and gets deported, they will never apply for re-entry. She is a cruel and s- tireless termagant. Uh, hours after this young man was killed, uh, Trump and Melania went ahead with a previously scheduled screening of her new documentary, Melania, at the White House. Guests included Tim Cook, along with AMD CEO Lisa Su, the CEO of Zoom, uh, and Mike Tyson and Tony Robbins. Strange group of people, but a lot of tech CEOs. Also, Andy Jassy, the CEO of Amazon. In any case, uh, a, a really terrible, uh, day for the United States of America. Scott, your thoughts?