
Will Meta and Microsoft's AI Investments Pay Off? | Pivot
Kara Swisher (host), Scott Galloway (host)
In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, Will Meta and Microsoft's AI Investments Pay Off? | Pivot explores meta, Microsoft Bet Big on AI Amid Soaring Costs and Uncertainty The conversation analyzes Meta and Microsoft’s latest earnings, focusing on how massive AI-related capital expenditures are reshaping their financial profiles and investor sentiment.
Meta, Microsoft Bet Big on AI Amid Soaring Costs and Uncertainty
The conversation analyzes Meta and Microsoft’s latest earnings, focusing on how massive AI-related capital expenditures are reshaping their financial profiles and investor sentiment.
Meta is delivering strong ad growth and profits while dramatically ramping AI spending, reassuring markets more than in previous quarters despite limited visible AI payoff so far.
Microsoft’s results were solid but drew concern over an enormous jump in AI CapEx, highlighting a broader trend of tech giants pouring unprecedented sums into AI infrastructure.
The hosts frame this as an unavoidable AI arms race, where a relatively small amount of current AI revenue has driven trillions in market value, raising questions about long‑term sustainability.
Key Takeaways
Meta’s core ad business is funding its AI push.
With earnings per share up 73% year-over-year, ad impressions and prices both up 10%, and 3. ...
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AI CapEx is exploding across major tech platforms.
Meta, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon together are on track to spend about $200 billion in capital expenditures this year—roughly double U. ...
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Investors are gravitating toward AI infrastructure over software platforms.
While software-layer giants see CapEx rising faster than revenue, hardware providers like NVIDIA and AMD have flat or declining CapEx but triple-digit revenue growth, making them appear like safer short-term bets.
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The current AI valuation gap looks potentially unsustainable.
AI applications are generating around $20 billion in revenue but have fueled an estimated $3 trillion increase in market capitalization, implying valuations at roughly 150x revenue that would require extraordinary, sustained growth to justify.
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For big incumbents, not investing in AI is not an option.
The hosts see AI as a fundamental computing shift, not a fad like the Metaverse, arguing that large firms with access to cheap capital must aggressively invest or risk falling irretrievably behind.
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Many non-tech and second-tier firms should rent, not build AI.
While giants can justify building their own models and infrastructure, the hosts suggest many consumer and smaller companies should avoid heavy AI CapEx and instead buy or rent AI capabilities from established providers.
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AI hype is permeating the broader corporate landscape.
About 40% of S&P 500 companies now mention AI on earnings calls (up from 1% five years ago), showing how AI has become a dominant narrative driver even in industries far from core tech.
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Notable Quotes
“Three and a quarter billion daily active users. So 40% of the planet is on a Meta platform every day?”
— Scott Galloway
“The capital expenditures of Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, and Google this year will be about $200 billion. That's double what the US government spends on homeland security.”
— Scott Galloway
“This is not the Metaverse. This is a really critical shift in computing.”
— Kara Swisher
“Right now, the industry notionally is trading at 150 times revenues. And that just does not feel sustainable.”
— Scott Galloway
“It's an arms race. They have to do it.”
— Kara Swisher
Questions Answered in This Episode
How long can markets tolerate AI investments that far outpace visible revenue growth before sentiment turns more sharply negative?
The conversation analyzes Meta and Microsoft’s latest earnings, focusing on how massive AI-related capital expenditures are reshaping their financial profiles and investor sentiment.
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What specific AI products or use cases could realistically generate the kind of revenue growth needed to justify 150x revenue valuations?
Meta is delivering strong ad growth and profits while dramatically ramping AI spending, reassuring markets more than in previous quarters despite limited visible AI payoff so far.
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At what point should regulators or policymakers be concerned about a handful of tech giants outspending governments on critical computing infrastructure?
Microsoft’s results were solid but drew concern over an enormous jump in AI CapEx, highlighting a broader trend of tech giants pouring unprecedented sums into AI infrastructure.
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How can smaller or non-tech companies strategically leverage AI without falling into an unsustainable CapEx race they can’t win?
The hosts frame this as an unavoidable AI arms race, where a relatively small amount of current AI revenue has driven trillions in market value, raising questions about long‑term sustainability.
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In what ways might this AI buildout echo the 1990s internet and telecom bubbles—and what, if anything, is structurally different this time?
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Transcript Preview
We've got more tech earnings to discuss. So much going on. Let's start with Meta, whose shares jumped in extended trading Wednesday after the company beat estimates for revenue and profit in the second quarter. Advertising revenue was 22% from a year earlier, and the strength of that business seems to be offsetting concern about heavy spending on AI, which I think is necessary for them. The AI spending will be increasing with Meta upping its expected 2024 capital expenditures to at least 37 billion. We're done with the Metaverse, now we're spending the money on AI. Um, Meta shares did sink on the AI spending news last quarter. Um, the market seems more optimistic because they've got a really good business to get them there, I guess. Um, there's not, still not a lot to show for these AI investments and a lot of investors are worried about where the payoffs are. Um, how long will investors wait to get a return from Meta? Um, and I'll just go through Microsoft earnings really quickly. Microsoft was less, they were less enthusiastic about those, which were a mid of a, bit of a mixed bag. Overall sales and profit growth beat expectations in the latest quarter, but revenue for the company's Cloud business rose 27%, slightly below the prior quarter and analyst expectation. Shares were down about 3% on Tuesday after the earnings report, but rebounded for the most part the next day. Um, so talk a little bit about the, about the two companies. Thoughts?
Yeah, there's just no denying it. Meta, (sighs) I mean, uh, Meta, their earnings were up, their earnings per share were up 73% year on year. Their ad impressions and average price per ad both increased 10% year on year. I mean, that's incredible. The average price and the number of impressions up 10%. Three and a quarter billion daily active users. So 40% of the planet is on a Meta platform every day? Uh, the only thing that's giving anyone any pause, and it depends how well they're positioned, is they said, they warned that CapEx growth for AI will grow significantly, and they've said that the amount of compute needed to train LLaMA 4 will likely be almost ten times more than we used to, uh, what was used to train, uh, LLaMA 3. And people are sort of, when they get a little insecure about this, they immediately go to, similar to what they did in '99 when they went to Cisco, they go to the infrastructure place. Because if you look at the CapEx for the software layer, Microsoft, Meta, Google, and Amazon, their CapEx is up 31%, but their revenue's only up 19, whereas the hardware layer, you know, where you go first, NVIDIA, AMD, Arm, their CapEx is actually flat to even maybe down 8% depending on how you calculate it, but their revenue's up 146%. So it feels like a safer, a safer play right now, because since reporting their earnings, Microsoft and Google, the software stack or part of the stack, have declined two and 6% respectively. When AMD reported, it was up 8%, but the, the software layer, although it, is that true? Meta was up but Microsoft was down. But the thing that freaked everybody out on the Microsoft call was, uh, just their, I think it was like they announced something like a 78% year on year increase in CapEx to 19 billion, which is a staggering increase. And get this, the entire tech industry is in such a spending spree, the capital expenditures of Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, and Google this year will be about $200 billion. That's double what the US government spends on homeland security. I mean, this is, these numbers are just staggering.
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