
Tech Stocks Take a Dive | Pivot
Kara Swisher (host), Scott Galloway (host)
In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, Tech Stocks Take a Dive | Pivot explores tech Stocks Stumble as Alphabet Hesitates on AI, Tesla Overpromises Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway unpack the recent drops in Alphabet and Tesla shares and their outsized impact on the NASDAQ and S&P. They argue Alphabet’s fundamentals are fine but the company is trapped in an innovator’s dilemma, torn between protecting its search cash cow and going all‑in on Gemini and AI. Tesla, by contrast, is portrayed as facing structurally tougher problems: intensifying EV price competition, aging products, and an extreme valuation overly dependent on a speculative robotaxi future. The conversation also criticizes Elon Musk’s governance and capital allocation, suggesting he has squandered a dominant position through distraction and poor oversight.
Tech Stocks Stumble as Alphabet Hesitates on AI, Tesla Overpromises
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway unpack the recent drops in Alphabet and Tesla shares and their outsized impact on the NASDAQ and S&P. They argue Alphabet’s fundamentals are fine but the company is trapped in an innovator’s dilemma, torn between protecting its search cash cow and going all‑in on Gemini and AI. Tesla, by contrast, is portrayed as facing structurally tougher problems: intensifying EV price competition, aging products, and an extreme valuation overly dependent on a speculative robotaxi future. The conversation also criticizes Elon Musk’s governance and capital allocation, suggesting he has squandered a dominant position through distraction and poor oversight.
Key Takeaways
Alphabet’s core business remains strong, but AI positioning looks hesitant.
Despite a decent quarter, Alphabet is criticized for having “one foot in, one foot out” of AI—reluctant to fully lean into Gemini for fear of cannibalizing its highly profitable search business.
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The AI race is pressuring earnings through heavy capital expenditures.
Like other big tech firms, Alphabet is ramping up CapEx to compete in AI infrastructure, which depresses short‑term earnings but may be strategically necessary for long‑term competitiveness.
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The EV market is entering a shakeout phase with intense price pressure.
Tesla faces a market where EV price premiums have collapsed, with some electric models now cheaper than internal combustion counterparts, signaling overinvestment and growing competition.
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Tesla’s product lineup is seen as aging and less compelling.
Galloway and Swisher argue Tesla’s vehicles feel “tired,” with the Cybertruck mocked more as a spectacle than a serious product refresh, underscoring a lack of exciting new mainstream offerings.
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Tesla’s valuation assumes a future business it has yet to deliver.
Trading at roughly 99x forward earnings, Tesla’s market value bakes in massive profits from robotaxis—yet the company has repeatedly missed timelines and has not demonstrated a working, scalable service.
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Overpromising on robotaxis is eroding investor patience and credibility.
Analysts on the latest earnings call were more confrontational, pushing back on years of shifting robotaxi timelines, highlighting a growing disconnect between Tesla’s narrative and its execution.
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Corporate governance at Tesla is a major red flag for shareholders.
Musk’s move to consider a $5 billion investment of Tesla’s cash into xAI via a Twitter poll is framed as a stark example of weak board oversight and misaligned capital allocation priorities.
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Notable Quotes
“They don't wanna go all in on Gemini at the risk of cannibalizing this quarter of a trillion-dollar tollbooth, amazing, best business probably in history called Search.”
— Scott Galloway
“To this point, the earnings calls have been a bunch of stenographers and sycophants thanking him for a great quarter. This one was distinctly like, 'Boss, we have been waiting for a robotaxi for five years.'”
— Scott Galloway
“Tesla trades at 99 times forward earnings… The scariest thing in that earnings call is that their 2030 projected profits, they're saying 80% of those projected profits will come from its robotaxi division.”
— Scott Galloway
“The corporate governance here… the idea that you would say to Tesla shareholders, 'I'm gonna take $5 billion of our hard-earned cash flow and use it to try and take my other failing company and put on an AI dress.'”
— Scott Galloway
“This guy had everything… He could have owned it, like really been Ferrari, right? And he's just blown it here in a way that… it's sort of sad.”
— Kara Swisher
Questions Answered in This Episode
How long can Alphabet afford to protect its search revenue before fully committing to an AI-first strategy without losing ground to competitors like OpenAI and Microsoft?
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway unpack the recent drops in Alphabet and Tesla shares and their outsized impact on the NASDAQ and S&P. ...
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What specific product or strategy shifts would Tesla need to make to justify its current valuation if robotaxis continue to be delayed?
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Is the current collapse in EV price premiums a temporary oversupply issue or a sign of structurally lower long-term EV margins?
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What governance mechanisms or board changes would be necessary at Tesla to better align Elon Musk’s personal projects with shareholder interests?
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How should investors differentiate between realistic long-term innovation bets and hype-driven narratives when evaluating tech companies’ AI and autonomous driving roadmaps?
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Transcript Preview
Scott, we're back for our second big story. The NASDAQ has taken its biggest tumble since 2022, thanks to earnings reports from Alphabet and Tesla. Alphabet's quarterly earnings showed a slowing growth in advertising sales with ad sales rising 11%, down from 13% in the previous quarter. On top of that, Wiz, the cybersecurity startup we had talked about Alphabet planned to acquire, had decided to turn down the $23 billion offer. Alphabet shares are down almost 5% in the last five days at the time of the taping. Um, I wanna talk about this, but I'm gonna mention Tesla earnings have showed a 7% decline with auto revenue, with earnings per share coming down below Wall Street estimates. Tesla shares are down 10% in the last five days, giving up a lot of the gains they've been making. Um, NASDAQ is down over 3% in the last five days, and the S&P is down 2% 'cause of these tech companies. Um, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. This is your big area of expertise. Talk a little bit about, uh, Alphabet first and then Tesla.
Well, Alphabet actually had a decent quarter. It's just that, one, I mean, eh, Alphabet's dealing with this existential issue of having one foot in and one foot out of AI in the sense that they have Gemini, but Gemini gets about an eighth of the traffic of OpenAI or-
Mm-hmm.
... of ChatGPT. And when you think about all the head start and the captive audience, uh, across Google and Android, to have only the eighth of the traffic of what is supposed to be a startup but is really just Microsoft AI-
Mm-hmm.
... is unusual. And the question is, they're trying to incorporate AI into their core platform search, and they're still a little bit, people would argue, trapped in the innovator's dilemma. And that is they don't wanna go all in on Gemini at the risk of cannibalizing this quarter of a trillion-dollar tollbooth, amazing, best business probably in history called Search. So they're still kind of, I would argue, a little bit one foot in, one foot out, trying to have their cake and eat it too. I understand why they're doing. People got spooked about YouTube, uh, sales slowing. I didn't think it was that big a deal. And the other thing that's hurting their earnings is, like everyone else, they're now, uh, except for Apple, they're now in this arms race, and their CapEx-
Right.
... was, um, dramatically up, sort of-
Smart, yeah.
... which sort of hit, hit earnings. The, the bigger story, I think, or what was more, like, genuinely bad news was, um, Tesla.
Mm-hmm.
And that is the EV market, I think it's interesting. An interesting analogy would be the streaming market, and that is, it was overinvested 'cause people saw it as the future, and now there's a bit of a shakeout. And that is, eh, and the way you see the shakeout is in a, an intense price competition. A year ago, the equivalent EV was $8,500 more expensive than its, um, than its internal combustion, uh, peer. Now, that number, that margin, that premium has dropped to $1,500. In the F-150 Lightning, the EV is actually $10,000 less than its internal combustion, uh, counterpart, probably 'cause they produced too many. In addition, the, while the market continues to grow, Tesla has not. A lot of people would describe its products-
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