The Case for Crypto

The Case for Crypto

PivotJan 31, 202422m

Kara Swisher (host), Chris Dixon (guest), Scott Galloway (host)

Centralization of the current internet and platform lock-inBlockchain/Web3 as infrastructure for user ownership and open networksState of crypto categories: tokens, NFTs, DAOs, and DeFiCasino culture, fraud (FTX/Binance), and the role of regulationUse cases in social media, creator economy, gaming, and the metaverseBlockchain’s role alongside AI: authentication, deepfakes, and media business modelsVenture capital incentives, token lockups, and public perception of crypto leaders

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Chris Dixon, The Case for Crypto explores chris Dixon Argues Crypto Can Rebuild an Open, User-Owned Internet Chris Dixon makes the case that blockchain and crypto, despite scandals and speculation, are foundational tools to rebuild a more open, less centralized internet. He contrasts today’s internet oligopoly—where a few big tech firms control identity, distribution, and economics—with a Web3 model where users own their data, identities, and relationships. Dixon highlights productive use cases such as user-owned social networks, new creator business models, collaborative storytelling, and blockchain-based tools to combat AI deepfakes and support media sustainability. He also addresses crypto’s casino culture, the need for stronger regulation and longer lockups, and why he believes a serious, developer-led movement exists beneath the speculative noise.

Chris Dixon Argues Crypto Can Rebuild an Open, User-Owned Internet

Chris Dixon makes the case that blockchain and crypto, despite scandals and speculation, are foundational tools to rebuild a more open, less centralized internet. He contrasts today’s internet oligopoly—where a few big tech firms control identity, distribution, and economics—with a Web3 model where users own their data, identities, and relationships. Dixon highlights productive use cases such as user-owned social networks, new creator business models, collaborative storytelling, and blockchain-based tools to combat AI deepfakes and support media sustainability. He also addresses crypto’s casino culture, the need for stronger regulation and longer lockups, and why he believes a serious, developer-led movement exists beneath the speculative noise.

Key Takeaways

Blockchain can decouple user identity and relationships from platforms.

By letting users own their handles and follower graphs (like email lists rather than Twitter followings), blockchain-based social networks could reduce lock-in and shift power away from centralized platforms.

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Speculation and scams are overshadowing genuinely productive crypto applications.

Dixon distinguishes between the ‘casino’ (offshore exchanges, pump-and-dumps, FTX-style fraud) and a quieter ecosystem of developers building real products in DeFi, social, gaming, and creator tools.

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Stronger, enforceable lockups would better align incentives in token projects.

He argues policymakers should mandate long token lockups for founders and VCs, because real technology takes years to mature and short-term liquidity invites wealth transfers from retail to insiders.

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NFTs and DAOs remain early but are not dead markets.

Despite a dramatic price correction and hype collapse, Dixon cites billions in annual NFT sales (net of wash trading, by his team’s estimate) and functioning DAOs that govern major DeFi protocols as evidence of ongoing activity.

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AI’s rise increases the need for cryptographic verification and new creator models.

As deepfakes and AI-generated content proliferate, blockchains can store immutable attestations of authenticity and help design new revenue models for media and creators who may lose traffic and income to AI answer engines.

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Web3 is best understood as a new ‘building material,’ not a consumer fad.

Dixon likens blockchain to steel: mostly invisible infrastructure that enables better products (user-owned social, programmable money, interoperable gaming economies) rather than a standalone consumer phenomenon.

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A serious developer and founder community exists beyond the industry’s worst actors.

He contrasts criminal figures like Sam Bankman-Fried with people like Vitalik Buterin and Brian Armstrong, and describes large, earnest developer conferences that resemble early Web 2. ...

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Notable Quotes

“This is a chance to create the internet you want, not the internet you inherited.”

Chris Dixon

“I don’t think that having four or five people control the flow of global money, business, culture, politics is acceptable.”

Chris Dixon

“A hammer can build or a hammer can destroy. Blockchains and tokens are tools, and the casino is just one side of them.”

Chris Dixon

“Musicians today don’t make money on the internet. They go offline, they tour, and they sell merchandise to support themselves.”

Chris Dixon

“Real technology takes years to build. The number one thing policymakers could do is require long lockups on every project.”

Chris Dixon

Questions Answered in This Episode

If user-owned social networks become mainstream, how will incumbent platforms respond to a world where they no longer control identity and follower graphs?

Chris Dixon makes the case that blockchain and crypto, despite scandals and speculation, are foundational tools to rebuild a more open, less centralized internet. ...

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What regulatory framework could effectively curb the casino culture of crypto without stifling the legitimate, experimental projects Dixon champions?

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In a future where AI agents answer most queries directly, how realistic is it that blockchain-based models can sustainably fund journalism and original content creation?

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How can everyday users distinguish between speculative ‘casino’ projects and genuinely productive Web3 applications worth their time and money?

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If the metaverse evolves as Dixon predicts, what governance structures will ensure it remains open and interoperable rather than captured by one or two dominant companies?

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Kara Swisher

Chris Dixon is the founder and managing partner of a16z Crypto, Andreessen Horowitz's VC fund for crypto and Web3 startups. He's also the author of a new book, Read Write Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet. We're having a lot of Silicon Valley people on, uh, of late. We had Aileen Lee on last week. Welcome, Chris.

Chris Dixon

Thanks, Karen. Thanks for having me.

Kara Swisher

So, uh, so, it's been a, uh, a rough couple of years for crypto and blockchain, but you're still making a case for it in this book. Um, actually, Scott has too in a lot of ways. But why don't you, why don't you explain why you're still a believer?

Chris Dixon

Yeah. Sure. So, I mean, in the book I try to explain what I would call the productive aspects of blockchains and why I think that blockchains can help us, um, return the internet to its original ideals as being an open and democratic network, which is why I got involved. I've been involved in the internet for 25 years. I got excited by the early ideals of the internet and, you know, look, if you fast-forward to today, the internet's become very consolidated. The top five tech companies account for half of the Nasdaq-100 market cap. Top 1% of social networks, 95% of traffic. You know, Google and Apple have a duopoly on what y- mobile operating systems. I'm sure you both have talked about this plenty. It, the internet, I worry the internet's at risk of becoming, like, '70s broadcast TV or something where you have three channels. Um, and I think that's bad for the world. I also think it's bad for our business. You know, we're in the startup business. Um, we, we want a dynamic internet.

Kara Swisher

But you write about, uh, blockchain technology and this is a quote from you. "This is a chance to create the internet you want, not the internet you inherited." It's something we talk about a lot. Like that the same companies are in charge. Um, what does that, what do you mean by that? It, when you say there's lots of opportunities for innovation here, uh, that starts from ground zero presumably versus starts with Google in charge or Microsoft or whoever.

Chris Dixon

I, I'm guessing that we s- somewhat agree on the problem.

Kara Swisher

Mm-hmm.

Chris Dixon

Um, meaning, uh, ph- having five companies control everything is, um, not ideal. Um, I think there's different ways one could think about solving that. And so for example, a lot of people talk about regulation. I believe there is a role for regulation. Um, I think, you know, we'll see what happens with DOJ and Apple and things like that. Um, I, my proposal is to also try to do it through innovation. And by, and, and through that, we want to create a new wave of internet services that return power to the edges of the network. And so to give you an example, o- one of the reasons that social networks are so powerful is you're locked in. Right? They have network effects, so you know, I know, I think you switched recently to Threads. Um, and when you did, you had to give up your audience, right? You had to go build a new audience.

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