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Kara, you know, you grew up like I did. You know, you're Italian. You don't give a [laughing] shit, okay? You know I don't give a shit. I'm ready to fight-

Yeah.

-you know, 'cause I grew up here on Long Island. We were doing push-ups in the parking lot outside of discos, getting ready to fight people, okay? I don't give a shit. I will fight Trump every step of the way. [upbeat music]

Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. Scott is somewhere on a plane. We did an emergency pod yesterday, and I'm glad you all listened to it. We were- we thought it was critical to do it. So today, I'm joined by a friend of the pod, the one, the only Anthony Scaramucci, also known as The Mooch. Anthony, welcome.

Kara, it's good to be here. Thanks for having me. And I saw Scott last week in Davos. I enjoyed his commentary, and, uh... well, I enjoy your commentary.

Thank you, Anthony. Um [chuckles] anyway, I'm gonna call you Anthony, not The Mooch anymore.

Okay.

Uh, I like that better. You, you sit up straight when I say Anthony.

I'm sitting up straight. You, you, you yelled at me before we started to sit up straight.

I get it, 'cause it's very serious-

Thanks, Mom.

Anytime.

Thanks, Mom.

But, but we are in a serious zone today, and actually, I'm glad to have you here because I do want to talk about businesspeople and their reaction to what's happening, uh, in Minnesota and elsewhere. But before we do anything, I'd like to point out that as the episode drops, it's been 39 days since the deadline passed for the DOJ to release all the Epstein files. Again, uh, Pam Bondi is in violation of a law, and they have not released them, and mmm, part of this, what's happening, has to do with this, too. So let's not forget that they are out there, and probably, as someone noted on, uh, one of the social media sites, they're safer than anything in America right now are the Epstein files. Um, anyway, we've got a lot to discuss, so let's get to it. Uh, Donald Trump says his administration is reviewing everything surrounding the shooti- shooting of 37-year-old ICU nurse Alex Pretty in Minneapolis this weekend. He's also now sending his border czar, Tom Homan, to Minneapolis. The leading GOP candidate for Minnesota governor just dropped out of the race, saying he can't support the national Republican retribution on the citizens of his state, and as we record, a federal judge is hearing arguments on temporarily halting the immigration crackdown in Minnesota. On the latest episode of On with Kara Swisher, I spoke with Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey. This was before the Alex Pretty shooting, but Frey knew another incident was inevitable. Let's listen.

For over a month, uh, before Rene Good was shot, the chief of police and I were both privately and publicly expressing concerns that somebody was gonna get shot or killed, that either a civilian, a resident, a police officer, or an ICE agent was gonna get shot and killed, and tragically, that happened, and then it happened again. And by the way, it's gonna happen again on top of that, uh, eh, because this is the kind of conduct that we're seeing that i- i- inevitably will lead to people getting hurt. Um, eh, it's deeply concerning. Um, eh, but it's not just Minneapolis that should be concerned right now. I have a deep concern for the endurance of our republic when the constitutional norms and these mainstays of good governing principles are thrown in the trash can.